Pakistan PM Imran Khan blames how women dress for rise in rape cases

[Crimson Dynamo]

says 'not everyone has the willpower to avoid it'




Imran Khan blamed 'vulgarity' in society for sexual violence, saying modesty must be preserved because some men 'do not have the willpower to avoid it'
Khan made the comments during a question and answer with the public when he was asked for a solution to rising rape cases in Pakistan
He responded that society must play a role by preserving modesty and avoiding media or culture that promotes 'vulgarity or obscenity'
Khan picked out 'sex, drugs and rock n roll culture' of the UK in the 70s and India's Bollywood as examples of moral decline


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/07/13/2330514-9444837-Ceremony_Imran_Khan_centre_poses_for_a_photograph_ with_his_new_w-a-30_1617799192166.jpg
Ceremony: Imran Khan, centre, poses for a photograph with his new wife
Bushra Wattoo, second from right, along with relatives during a wedding
ceremony in Lahore


The former cricketing playboy made the remark during a question and
answer session with the public on Sunday, when a caller asked what the
government is doing about rising in sexual violence particularly against
children.

Khan hit out at what he called 'vulgarity' in societies around the world -
singling out India's Bollywood and the 'sex, drugs and rock and roll' culture
of England in the 70s as examples - saying that is to blame for moral decline
which leads to sex attacks.

He then praised the Islamic concept of purdah - or modesty - as an antidote
to that decline, saying it is important to 'keep temptation in check'.

'World history tells when you increase fahashi (vulgarity) in society, two
things happen: sex crimes increase and the family system breaks down,' he
said.

'This entire concept of purdah (covering up or segregating) is to avoid
temptation, not everyone has the willpower to avoid it.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9444837/Pakistan-PM-Imran-Khan-blames-women-dress-rise-rape-cases.html

thoughts?

[arista]

'vulgarity or obscenity'


Yes he is trying to get a Strict Muslim Nation.

Shocking Evil Gang Rapes
on the increase

[Beso]

So what he is saying is it's ok for Asian men to find children sexually attractive if they show a bit of skin.

[Vicky.]

Well the UK seemingly agrees, given the likes of what underwear a victim had on, or if they were dressed in a short skirt, or it they had a drink...are accepted as valid reasons to use in court to 'prove' the victim is lying..hell, even their fave positions in previous sexual relationships is relevant too apparently.

[Niamh.]

Well the UK seemingly agrees, given the likes of what underwear a victim had on, or if they were dressed in a short skirt, or it they had a drink...as valid reasons to use in court to 'prove' the victim is lying..hell, even their fave positions in previous sexual relationships is relevant too apparently.

Yep, very true

[Beso]

That's some ****ed up ideology.

It's like hes saying a man can be with a child if that child has tempted him..very sick.

[Cherie]

Well the UK seemingly agrees, given the likes of what underwear a victim had on, or if they were dressed in a short skirt, or it they had a drink...are accepted as valid reasons to use in court to 'prove' the victim is lying..hell, even their fave positions in previous sexual relationships is relevant too apparently.

I guess the difference is we are not being asked to cover up, not yet at any rate

[UserSince2005]

So stupid.
I think most men are turned off by sluttily dressed women

[user104658]

Well the UK seemingly agrees, given the likes of what underwear a victim had on, or if they were dressed in a short skirt, or it they had a drink...are accepted as valid reasons to use in court to 'prove' the victim is lying..hell, even their fave positions in previous sexual relationships is relevant too apparently.

Indeed, the attitudes are the same, they just don't say it out loud.

[Glenn.]

That's some ****ed up ideology.

It's like hes saying a man can be with a child if that child has tempted him..very sick.

Sure is.

It reminds me of your view that if a gay man is able to have sex with a woman he must be able to have sex with a child.

[Oliver_W]

Just no.

Islamic culture doesn't expect women to cover up for "modesty", but to strip them of individuality, as they are chattel or property of their man. Trying to frame women as responsible for rape because they aren't dressed like ghastly specters is disgusting.

[Beso]

Sure is.

It reminds me of your view that if a gay man is able to have sex with a woman he must be able to have sex with a child.

Did I say must?

I doubt I did.:nono:

It was also in a discussion about phillip Schofield being able to get and maintain an erection with his wife, whilst being a gay man all his married life.

[The Slim Reaper]

Just no.

Islamic culture doesn't expect women to cover up for "modesty", but to strip them of individuality, as they are chattel or property of their man. Trying to frame women as responsible for rape because they aren't dressed like ghastly specters is disgusting.

I mean, it's the same ideology that means Nuns have to cover up, but no one calls nuns chattel. It's only ever to prove a point about our brown skinned brethren.

I used to think the same way to be fair, except my criticisms were about the dangers of religion, but I was still bigoted even though it was unintentional.

[Oliver_W]

I mean, it's the same ideology that means Nuns have to cover up, but no one calls nuns chattel. It's only ever to prove a point about our brown skinned brethren.

I used to think the same way to be fair, except my criticisms were about the dangers of religion, but I was still bigoted even though it was unintentional.

Maybe it's because Nuns choose that path of their life, while women born in islamic countries didn't ask to be oppressed.

[The Slim Reaper]

Maybe it's because Nuns choose that path of their life, while women born in islamic countries didn't ask to be oppressed.

I wish I could speak for all women born in a specific region, with as much confidence as you.

No doubt some see it as oppressive and some see it as a beautiful thing to do, so blanket bigotry probably isn't really useful.

[Oliver_W]

I wish I could speak for all women born in a specific region, with as much confidence as you.

No doubt some see it as oppressive and some see it as a beautiful thing to do, so blanket bigotry probably isn't really useful.

How is it bigoted to talk about how regimes oppress women?

If anything, minimising their problems by comparing them to Nuns is worse - a Nun can leave at any time, and their way of life is a choice. Neither is true for women who are essentially born into chains.

[Glenn.]

Did I say must?

I doubt I did.:nono:

It was also in a discussion about phillip Schofield being able to get and maintain an erection with his wife, whilst being a gay man all his married life.

That said erection can have sex with children I believe you said

[The Slim Reaper]

How is it bigoted to talk about how regimes oppress women?

If anything, minimising their problems by comparing them to Nuns is worse - a Nun can leave at any time, and their way of life is a choice. Neither is true for women who are essentially born into chains.

If we really wanted to make the lives of Muslim women better, we should probably stop murdering their children, and supplying weapons so that other countries can join us in the slaughter.

[Kate!]

Mr Khan is living in the dark ages.

[Oliver_W]

If we really wanted to make the lives of Muslim women better, we should probably stop murdering their children, and supplying weapons so that other countries can join us in the slaughter.

If you are murdering anyone, please stop :) I've managed to resist so far - some how!

[Vanessa]

I'm so glad I don't live over there.
While I don't dress over the top, I don't plan on covering up for no one.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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great wedding pic

:umm2:

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/07/13/2330514-9444837-Ceremony_Imran_Khan_centre_poses_for_a_photograph_ with_his_new_w-a-30_1617799192166.jpg

great wedding pic

:umm2:

He should have covered his face, what if we can’t resist him :laugh:

[bots]

She clearly wasn't getting any action on her wedding night then

[Beso]

That said erection can have sex with children I believe you said

It's possible.:shrug:

What's your point?

[Niamh.]

I wish I could speak for all women born in a specific region, with as much confidence as you.

No doubt some see it as oppressive and some see it as a beautiful thing to do, so blanket bigotry probably isn't really useful.

In my personal opinion I do think these women are oppressed, I don't think they can just choose to not wear certain things or wear whatever they want, do you really? However I think like most other countries the women in Pakistan need to fight for that themselves, the west interfering probably isn't the right way to make good or lasting changes

[Niamh.]

Oh also just a useless bit of information, nuns don't really wear habits anymore (here in Ireland anyway) they just wear normal clothes generally

[The Slim Reaper]

In my personal opinion I do think these women are oppressed, I don't think they can just choose to not wear certain things or wear whatever they want, do you really? However I think like most other countries the women in Pakistan need to fight for that themselves, the west interfering probably isn't the right way to make good or lasting changes

I don't 100% disagree, I said that some are oppressed, but I know that some women also love wearing it, and I completely agree about the west thing (which was my main point) - we act like we're feminists whilst blowing their kids up, providing arms so others can do it, and stand back as our allies force them into apartheid.

This whole dance is a phony disingenuous one imo.

[Livia]

Women are subjugated in Pakistan under Islamic law and consequently blamed for their own rape?

WHO KNEW!?!

[Niamh.]

I don't 100% disagree, I said that some are oppressed, but I know that some women also love wearing it, and I completely agree about the west thing (which was my main point) - we act like we're feminists whilst blowing their kids up, providing arms so others can do it, and stand back as our allies force them into apartheid.

This whole dance is a phony disingenuous one imo.

I can definitely agree with that

[The Slim Reaper]

Women are subjugated in Pakistan under Islamic law and consequently blamed for their own rape?

WHO KNEW!?!

Women must take responsibility for their own safety when it comes to rape. They can go out, get drunk, fall over with their skirt up round their waist, all those things that somehow, some people think should be their right..

[bots]

i don't think you can safely say a proportion of woman like to follow that doctrine when they are basically commenting from a position of subjugation and enslavement. ... let them taste a generation of freedom and then ask them

[Livia]

Women must take responsibility for their own safety when it comes to rape. They can go out, get drunk, fall over with their skirt up round their waist, all those things that somehow, some people think should be their right..

Not sure what point your making, but I am sure you think you're right.

i don't think you can safely say a proportion of woman like to follow that doctrine when they are basically commenting from a position of subjugation and enslavement. ... let them taste a generation of freedom and then ask them

Post of the thread so far.

[The Slim Reaper]

Not sure what point your making, but I am sure you think you're right.





The Highway Code say "give way to pedestrians at all times". Cars aren't allowed to run you over... but that doesn't mean to say I'm going to wander across the A13 at rush hour. People don't do that because although someone running you over is illegal, it could happen.

Similarly, women must take responsibility for their own safety when it comes to rape. They can go out, get drunk, fall over with their skirt up round their waist, all those things that somehow, some people think should be their right... but make sure you are with mates, that you have a cab booked... don't get caught out and left alone. Take steps to ensure your own safety because PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE. This isn't victim shaming, it's taking responsibility.

Sorry - it was your point. I should have made that clear.

[Livia]

Sorry - it was your point. I should have made that clear.

Are you a little confused?

I do believe women have to take responsible steps for their own safety. But in a country where they are second class citizens, even that wouldn't help. Unless you think women in the West and women in Pakistan have the same kind of rights? That's rhetorical, just to make it clear I don't want a long conversation with you.

Luxurious to have so much time to devote to me.

[Oliver_W]

I do believe women have to take responsible steps for their own safety.

Those steps should be "don't walk home alone at night" or "be wary of weirdos in nightclubs" or "never go Hackney" ... all fair methods to ensure their own safety. But dressing a certain way shouldn't be one of those things, and anyone who works in policing or legal professions should be struck off immediately if one of the questions they ask is how short the victim's skirt was.

[Niamh.]

Those steps should be "don't walk home alone at night" or "be wary of weirdos in nightclubs" or "never go Hackney" ... all fair methods to ensure their own safety. But dressing a certain way shouldn't be one of those things, and anyone who works in policing or legal professions should be struck off immediately if one of the questions they ask is how short the victim's skirt was.

Absolutely but apparently you can ask the victim this in court and even show everyone what underwear she was wearing and pass it around because clearly wearing certain knickers=no means yes

[Tom4784]

It's pretty much a given that victims are blamed for being raped, and it's wrong. Victims are put on trial as much as the rapist and everything about what they did is put under the microscope, arguably more so than that of the rapist, because you know, men can't be held accountable for their own actions. A woman HAS to be responsible somehow!

It's ****ing gross, I hate it. Rape will always be a low prosecuted crime if the way the trials continue to inherently blame the victims.

[Tom4784]

A woman could walk down the street naked, what she is wearing, or isn't, is not consent.

[arista]

Mr Khan is living in the dark ages.



He has no choice
the nation is that way.

Like Saudi Arabia

[Beso]

I don't 100% disagree, I said that some are oppressed, but I know that some women also love wearing it, and I completely agree about the west thing (which was my main point) - we act like we're feminists whilst blowing their kids up, providing arms so others can do it, and stand back as our allies force them into apartheid.

This whole dance is a phony disingenuous one imo.



Behave. Nobody has been blowing up Pakistan children

[Vicky.]

It's pretty much a given that victims are blamed for being raped, and it's wrong. Victims are put on trial as much as the rapist and everything about what they did is put under the microscope, arguably more so than that of the rapist, because you know, men can't be held accountable for their own actions. A woman HAS to be responsible somehow!

It's ****ing gross, I hate it. Rape will always be a low prosecuted crime if the way the trials continue to inherently blame the victims.

Agree with all of this, but the bolded bit..I would honestly go further than that given some cases I have followed recently..and say that the victims are put on trial MORE than the rapists.

[AnnieK]

Agree with all of this, but the bolded bit..I would honestly go further than that given some cases I have followed recently..and say that the victims are put on trial MORE than the rapists.

I agree. I sat through a rape case of a family member a few years ago. It was a case of consent, my family member was friends with the rapist and had had a brief relationship with him in the past but it had not worked out and they kept as friends. He raped her one night after a night out, she had said no he forced her anyway. During the trial, the defence and their witnesses brought up her sexual past, but the jury were not allowed to know of a previous allegation against him,his history of football violence and general ****tyness. The judge at one point asked the defence if they were going to trot out the names of every person the victim had slept with. It was a horrible experience to sit through,came down to her word against his (despite the blood, bruising and state of her) and he was acquitted. She would not advise ANYONE of ever going through a trial like that as they tarnished her whilst he was made out by the defence to just be a "lad"

[Niamh.]

I agree. I sat through a rape case of a family member a few years ago. It was a case of consent, my family member was friends with the rapist and had had a brief relationship with him in the past but it had not worked out and they kept as friends. He raped her one night after a night out, she had said no he forced her anyway. During the trial, the defence and their witnesses brought up her sexual past, but the jury were not allowed to know of a previous allegation against him,his history of football violence and general ****tyness. The judge at one point asked the defence if they were going to trot out the names of every person the victim had slept with. It was a horrible experience to sit through,came down to her word against his (despite the blood, bruising and state of her) and he was acquitted. She would not advise ANYONE of ever going through a trial like that as they tarnished her whilst he was made out by the defence to just be a "lad"

Yeah, this is why i always wonder why people believe so much that the woman is lying, I'm not saying that never happens but most people will know how low conviction rates are, how quick people are to doubt the woman and how awfully women are treated in the court room, why would anyone sign up for that if it didn't happen?