Carlisle Crown Court:Mother of 3, 27, filmed herself Raping a 14 year boy

[arista]

[On Friday she was jailed for two years and nine months
for the offences
Sophie Hindmarch, 27, from Penrith,
engaged in sexual activity with 14-year-old
The pair began sharing messages on Spapchat,
Carlisle Crown Court heard
Hindmarch admitted nine counts
of engaging in sexual activity with a child]
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/10/10/41577820-9456413-image-a-2_1618045423373.jpg

Detective Constable Emma Armstrong
said: 'Hindmarch initially denied the offences
in interview before pleading guilty at court.

'She was aware that what she was
doing was wrong, telling the victim
to delete messages between them.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9456413/Mother-three-27-filmed-having-sex-schoolboy-14-jailed.html



Paedophile Mother,

[Crimson Dynamo]

words fail me

[Cherie]

Paedo plain and simple

[Ammi]

..words fail me as well ...other than... so just not much more than 1 yr imprisonment out of her own life ...?...traded for the many years far reaching impact on that child’s life of her ‘sexual assault’ because our laws and justice won’t even recognise rape for these cases...no words really because when will the deterrent and care and safeguarding of our children be addressed by the justice system that we look to...

[arista]

..words fail me as well ...other than... so just not much more than 1 yr imprisonment out of her own life ...?...traded for the many years far reaching impact on that child’s life of her ‘sexual assault’ because our laws and justice won’t even recognise rape for these cases...no words really because when will the deterrent and care and safeguarding of our children be addressed by the justice system that we look to...


Staying on the Sex Offenders list.

[Ammi]

Staying on the Sex Offenders list.

...that doesn’t balance any justice scales, Arista...

[Oliver_W]

Adults can't "have sex" with children, she raped him.

[Vicky.]

Yeah I really hate how a lot of this stuff is reported as 'sleeping with' or 'having sex with'. Its 100% rape.

Vile specimen.

Also a stupid one really. I mean, its hard to try and think like one of these people BUT..you would think that keeping evidence of yu raping smeone.would not happen. As a lot seem to be 'caught out' that way, especially the female ones. Either tapes, or dodgy photos they send to these kids.

Pitiful sentence. Though thats to be expected with our 'justice system' really.

[bots]

she should be locked up and the key thrown away

[Ammi]

Adults can't "have sex" with children, she raped him.

...rape isn’t the charge that tends to be tried through the justice system, though ...for this and equivalent cases, when ...and the difference between the maximum sentence for each is vast...I completely despair, though with our justice system and the lack of safeguarding children...even with the charge only being sexual assault as opposed to rape...?..the maximum sentencing could be up to 14yrs, I believe...when do we ever see that applied in reported/high profile cases...nowhere near, it’s generally a few years and obviously that serving time is generally halved again...how can that ever be justified with potential lifelong emotional trauma to the child...the present laws are favouring the accused and not the abused...

[thesheriff443]

There are mitigating circumstances which the judge took into account.

[Crimson Dynamo]

3 kids with no mum

[Vicky.]

There are mitigating circumstances which the judge took into account.

There always is though when it comes to crappy sentences. I really do not think circumstances should matter at all in a case like this. For the likes of theft and stuff, yeah, if the person is homeless and was starving or something, or even just hugely in debt. But I cannot for the life of me think of any circumstance that would lead to 'having to' rape a child like.

[thesheriff443]

There always is though when it comes to crappy sentences. I really do not think circumstances should matter at all in a case like this. For the likes of theft and stuff, yeah, if the person is homeless and was starving or something, or even just hugely in debt. But I cannot for the life of me think of any circumstance that would lead to 'having to' rape a child like.

She had been exposed to domestic violence and suffering from ptsd I don’t think she was in a good place.

[Vicky.]

She had been exposed to domestic violence and suffering from ptsd I don’t think she was in a good place.

I don't think anyone who would rape a child, or murder someone for example, is ever in a good place :shrug:

Also surely the PTSD and former abuse..could maybe be used in..say a violent assault case. But not for this.

Its not even like the judges hands are tied with sentencing..as they have a lot of leeway. Too much sometimes..when it seems for the exact same crime someone could get 1 year away and someone else 10 years, depending on the judge involved :S

[Oliver_W]

There are mitigating circumstances which the judge took into account.

What mitigating circumstances? Had they been in a relationship before or was the boy wearing a short skirt or ... Does the law just not take sexual assault seriously.

[arista]

Adults can't "have sex" with children, she raped him.



I have Changed the Title.

[thesheriff443]

I don't think anyone who would rape a child, or murder someone for example, is ever in a good place :shrug:

Also surely the PTSD and former abuse..could maybe be used in..say a violent assault case. But not for this.

Its not even like the judges hands are tied with sentencing..as they have a lot of leeway. Too much sometimes..when it seems for the exact same crime someone could get 1 year away and someone else 10 years, depending on the judge involved :S

We don’t know the full details of the case and a lot depends on how it has affected the boy and if she has shown remorse.

Plus I think the fact the boy was going there for sex again and again makes a difference

[user104658]

Plus I think the fact the boy was going there for sex again and again makes a difference

No, it doesn't. Statutory rape OFTEN involves coercion and manipulation and can go on for years.

[Vicky.]

We don’t know the full details of the case and a lot depends on how it has affected the boy and if she has shown remorse.

Plus I think the fact the boy was going there for sex again and again makes a difference

There may be more going on, I agree with that.

But even if the boy went back time and time again it changes nothing though.

[Cherie]

There may be more going on, I agree with that.

But even if the boy went back time and time again it changes nothing though.

Agreed, he was a child

[Tom4784]

Vile.

The sentence is a joke considering it's rape as well. It doesn't matter if it's a man or woman doing it, it's still rape regardless and she should face a lengthy sentence for her crimes.

[Tom4784]

It doesn't matter if the boy was willing or not, he cannot consent and thus, it is rape.

[thesheriff443]

No, it doesn't. Statutory rape OFTEN involves coercion and manipulation and can go on for years.

She was not convicted of rape but sexual activity with a child, the law is complex and getting the wording wrong on what someone is charged with can mean the difference between a conviction and being acquitted.

[thesheriff443]

It doesn't matter if the boy was willing or not, he cannot consent and thus, it is rape.

She was not charged with rape as I’ve said, the law and wording is complex

[Tom4784]

If someone cannot consent, it is rape, a failure in the system to recognise that doesn't change the facts.

[Nicky91]

:umm2: gross


what sort of mother would do that

[thesheriff443]

If someone cannot consent, it is rape, a failure in the system to recognise that doesn't change the facts.

The facts say you are wrong

[arista]

:umm2: gross


what sort of mother would do that


Paedophile Mother

[Nicky91]

Paedophile Mother

well this woman needs some serious mental help, she's really sick in her head (as we dutch call it)


those 3 children are better off in a foster home, with better parents than with this idiot of a paedo woman

[Tom4784]

The facts say you are wrong

Nope. If someone cannot consent to sex, it is rape. Are you saying that non-consensual sex ISN'T rape, Sheriff?

[arista]

well this woman needs some serious mental help, she's really sick in her head (as we dutch call it)


those 3 children are better off in a foster home, with better parents than with this idiot of a paedo woman

This why its sad case
for those 3 kids


Maybe the Husband can help?

[thesheriff443]

Nope. If someone cannot consent to sex, it is rape. Are you saying that non-consensual sex ISN'T rape, Sheriff?

Clearly in this case the boy consented otherwise it would of been rape

[Tom4784]

Clearly in this case the boy consented otherwise it would of been rape

The boy is under the age of 16, and thus he does not have the legal capacity to consent to sex. Nonconsensual sex = rape, and the failure of the court to classify it as such does not change that.

Would you be so quick to downplay the rapist's actions if the genders were reversed?

[Nicky91]

This why its sad case
for those 3 kids


Maybe the Husband can help?

where is he in all this anyway?

how did he not know, was he busy working when she did this :think:

[user104658]

She was not convicted of rape but sexual activity with a child, the law is complex and getting the wording wrong on what someone is charged with can mean the difference between a conviction and being acquitted.


Because of how rape is legally defined in the UK (forcible penetration with penis) women cannot be charged with any sort of rape, only various degrees of sexual assault. That’s purely down to the definition in law, and has nothing to do with the morality of what happened.

[arista]

Because of how rape is legally defined in the UK (forcible penetration with penis) women cannot be charged with any sort of rape, only various degrees of sexual assault. That’s purely down to the definition in law, and has nothing to do with the morality of what happened.


Yes as he is just 14 years old
I am leaving Rape on the title

[Cherie]

Clearly in this case the boy consented otherwise it would of been rape

I don't understand your reasoning, so if a 14 year old girl went willingly to a man 13 years her senior and had sex, would that not be rape? she can't consent she is underage

[Niamh.]

14 year olds can't legally consent

[Ammi]

...the child is below the legal age of consent so by the law’s own reasoning, consent isn’t applicable at all...but the charge is sexual assault because no penetration occurred in this situation, which is how the law defines rape...even within that, though...?...the sentence was very, very short to what could have have been given for a sexual assault charge of a child...

[Oliver_W]

Clearly in this case the boy consented otherwise it would of been rape

He can't consent, just like all children can't. Do you think a senile old woman can consent to signing all her money to some gold digger? It's (sort of) the same thing.

Tbh i think the age of consent should be eighteen.

[arista]

...the child is below the legal age of consent so by the law’s own reasoning, consent isn’t applicable at all...but the charge is sexual assault because no penetration occurred in this situation, which is how the law defines rape...even within that, though...?...the sentence was very, very short to what have been given for a sexual assault charge of a child...

At least she is going to Jail.
Thats a shock for her.


Yes its only a 2 year sentence
if she is good, can leave after a year

[Ammi]

...I understand that she herself had been in an abusive relationship and wasn’t in a good place...which is horrific for her...but that doesn’t in any way excuse nor should it be considered in the sexual abuse of a child...she absolutely knew what her actions were according to the court reports as she had tried to persuade the child to delete the messages/images and also admitted guilt in the original interview...the not guilty plea was then submitted for the purposes of her trial and I would presume it was something that was advised by her defence for a lesser sentencing...

[thesheriff443]

The boy is under the age of 16, and thus he does not have the legal capacity to consent to sex. Nonconsensual sex = rape, and the failure of the court to classify it as such does not change that.

Would you be so quick to downplay the rapist's actions if the genders were reversed?

I’m not down playing anything I’m just stating the law in this case

[thesheriff443]

I don't understand your reasoning, so if a 14 year old girl went willingly to a man 13 years her senior and had sex, would that not be rape? she can't consent she is underage

Every case is different for the case in this thread the police cps did not charge the woman with rape so she has not been convicted of rape but convicted of sexual activity with a child

[bots]

Every case is different for the case in this thread the police cps did not charge the woman with rape so she has not been convicted of rape but convicted of sexual activity with a child

a woman can't be charged with rape in the uk

[Liam-]

a woman can't be charged with rape in the uk

A thing that should most definitely be changed, way too many women get away with things like this because of it, it’s shocking

[Cherie]

A thing that should most definitely be changed, way too many women get away with things like this because of it, it’s shocking

yes I agree

[user104658]

I think perhaps the MOST messed up part of the definition is that it specifies "with a penis". I could almost understand if it was simply that the definition of "rape" was "forced penetration" and there were other words with the same severity for other types of sexual crimes, but the UK law on rape specifies "forced penetration with penis". So essentially, if someone is forcibly sexually assaulted including being forcibly penetrated, but it's with an object other than a penis, that is NOT classed as rape. Men CAN be victims of rape - but only by a male perpetrator. It causes a lot of confusion when it comes to considering the severity of the crime and I think it really should be redefined to include all forms of non-consensual sex. At the absolute minimum, it should include penetrative sex with non-consenting males.

[Tom4784]

I’m not down playing anything I’m just stating the law in this case

And the law is incorrect, since non-consensual sex IS rape. The law is not absolute, it is flawed and it's cases like this that prove such statements to be true.

[Oliver_W]

As Charles Dickens once wrote: the law is an ass, and the worst I wish the law is, that his eye may be opened by experience.

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[UserSince2005]

14 is too young to be ****ing. I speak from experience