Is Horse Racing Cruel?

[Kazanne]

Imo,yes it is,we've lost another one today,plus all the others we have lost over the years, for me its just the greed of humans again, money,money money,sod the horses,It wont be a popular opinion with some,but no one will persuade me that the horses love it,they really have no choice.This list of horses that have died is horrendous really as they have died just for us and OUR entertainment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equine_fatalities_in_the_Grand_National?fb clid=IwAR0XToJoHo84dVbul6fLwlcXFMtlLv5Bd8PYq41lo0l R-FrHnkzZZesmx4E#:~:text=List%20of%20fatalities%20%2 0%20%20Year%20,According%20to%20Pete%20%2081%20mor e%20rows%20


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[Scarlett.]

Very much so, the horses are treated horrifically

[Niamh.]

Yes absolutely, especially those steeple chase races, those jumps are ridiculous

[Alf]

Is Police using Horses and dogs for that matter, cruel?

[Niamh.]

Is Police using Horses and dogs for that matter, cruel?They're completely different situations

[Alf]

They're completely different situationsIn what way?

[Smithy]

I’m sure we have this thread every year after the grand national :laugh:

But yes it is

[Kazanne]

Is Police using Horses and dogs for that matter, cruel?

Probably it depends on how they are treated and Horseracing is just for profit Alf, not for anything else
https://www.worldanimalprotection.org.au/news/five-reasons-horse-racing-is-cruel

[Niamh.]

In what way?In what are they similar at all? [emoji28]

[Alf]

Let's say Horse racing is scrapped tomorrow. What happens to the horses?

[Alf]

In what are they similar at all? [emoji28]I asked first.

[hijaxers]

Imo,yes it is,we've lost another one today,plus all the others we have lost over the years, for me its just the greed of humans again, money,money money,sod the horses,It wont be a popular opinion with some,but no one will persuade me that the horses love it,they really have no choice.This list of horses that have died is horrendous really as they have died just for us and OUR entertainment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equine_fatalities_in_the_Grand_National?fb clid=IwAR0XToJoHo84dVbul6fLwlcXFMtlLv5Bd8PYq41lo0l R-FrHnkzZZesmx4E#:~:text=List%20of%20fatalities%20%2 0%20%20Year%20,According%20to%20Pete%20%2081%20mor e%20rows%20

Yes it is and i would ban the Grand National its the worst race of all.

[MTVN]

Horses are one of the most athletic animals on the planet so it's not like they're being made to do something completely unnatural, plus the elite ones are so prized and well cared for that horses probably suffer a lot more in many other environments

No doubt there's a lot of shady practices in some parts of the industry though and they should always be looking for ways to make it safer

[Niamh.]

Let's say Horse racing is scrapped tomorrow. What happens to the horses?They'd probably be sold to private owners for a lot of money

[Kazanne]

Let's say Horse racing is scrapped tomorrow. What happens to the horses?

What happens to other horses? they go to special horse santuarys or are peoples pets we always get this argument,they just wouldn't be bred as much,so there would not be an overspill Im sure we have enough land to graze them on. It would eventually balance its self out.

[The Slim Reaper]

Let's say Horse racing is scrapped tomorrow. What happens to the horses?

Lasagna is cheaper.

[Alf]

They'd probably be sold to private owners for a lot of moneyWhy would people buy them, to have as pets? They cost a lot of money to keep. You need stables, food, Vet bills to pay.

It's more likely that they'd end up as cat food. Bunged into tins on the supermarket shelf.

[joeysteele]

Flat racing less so.
I am though very uncomfortable with the jumps on races.

They do enjoy it, as in show jumping too.
However jumps of the level of the Grand National and also the number of Horses running I do consider cruel.

It is sad another was lost today.
If racing authorities can't make it safer themselves then they should be made to or I would support banning it.

Not flat racing however.
Any proven cruelty to Horses as in ownership should also carry penalties too definitely in my view.

[Kazanne]

Why would people buy them, to have as pets? They cost a lot of money to keep. You need stables, food, Vet bills to pay.

It's more likely that they'd end up as cat food. Bunged into tins on the supermarket shelf.

lots of people would buy them, plus if they are not bred for races,there will be less of them anyway,Ide rather have less than have any die in pain while being made to race.

[Alf]

People die in boxing, rugby, motor racing. Should they all be banned too?

[Niamh.]

I asked first.Yes you did, its such an odd question considering they are so different, police horses are pretty much a mode of transport, police dogs generally are used for their sense of smell which dogs enjoy, they enjoy the stimulation, race horses are used as a form.of entertainment, I don't know what else to tell you the clues should be in the names

[Kazanne]

People die in boxing, rugby, motor racing. Should they all be banned too?

No because THEY make a choice to do that ,animals dont have a choice.

[Zizu]

In what way?



They don’t jump over huge fenced with unseen drop downs on the other side..





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[Niamh.]

Why would people buy them, to have as pets? They cost a lot of money to keep. You need stables, food, Vet bills to pay.



It's more likely that they'd end up as cat food. Bunged into tins on the supermarket shelf.Loads of people already own horses, I mean I'm sure you know that? :suspect:

[Niamh.]

People die in boxing, rugby, motor racing. Should they all be banned too?People choose to take the risk though

[Zizu]

I always wondered why they only do one lap of the course and apparently it’s so they can get a team around injured horses .. put a tent around them ... then cart them off in a van ??


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[Alf]

What happens to other horses? they go to special horse santuarys or are peoples pets we always get this argument,they just wouldn't be bred as much,so there would not be an overspill Im sure we have enough land to graze them on. It would eventually balance its self out.

People choose to take the risk thoughSome horses will refuse to run sometimes, so they have a choice too, sometimes they'll refuse to even start or refuse to jump a fence.

[Niamh.]

Some horses will refuse to run sometimes, so they have a choice too, sometimes they'll refuse to even start or refuse to jump a fence.[emoji23]

[Alf]

[emoji23]I'll take that as a victory in this discussion.

Alf wins again.

[Niamh.]

I'll take that as a victory in this discussion.



Alf wins again.[emoji106]

[hijaxers]

Let's say Horse racing is scrapped tomorrow. What happens to the horses?

They'll stop breeding for racing and horses will be happy without all the whipping ~ whippping should be banned or lets count how many times the jockey whips the horse and the give him he same amount of whips at end of race and see how he enjoys that. There are pleanty of other jobs for short blokes:laugh:

[Alf]

Put your money where your mouths are.

Buy some stables and buy some horses, then you can protect them.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Haven’t read any of the posts in here except the title coz i’m ignorant and fat so sorry if this has already been covered but

The fact that when the horses racing are injured they got euthanised like... obviously it’s cruel :skull: and to think otherwise is ****ing stupid

[Niamh.]

Put your money where your mouths are.

Buy some stables and buy some horses, then you can protect them.Loads of people keep horses Alf, why is that an unusual concept to you? [emoji28]

[Kazanne]

Put your money where your mouths are.

Buy some stables and buy some horses, then you can protect them.

Better still Alf,put your money into something more worthwhile than watching a horse whipped and pushed to exhaustion , how about a charity,or a animals sanctuary:hehe: How do you know some of us don't already have horses ? all animals are expensive to keep properly.

[Alf]

They'll stop breeding for racing and horses will be happy without all the whipping ~ whippping should be banned or lets count how many times the jockey whips the horse and the give him he same amount of whips at end of race and see how he enjoys that. There are pleanty of other jobs for short blokes:laugh:Who's feeding them and sheltering them and paying for their vet bills and protecting them from predators?

[AnnieK]

They'll stop breeding for racing and horses will be happy without all the whipping ~ whippping should be banned or lets count how many times the jockey whips the horse and the give him he same amount of whips at end of race and see how he enjoys that. There are pleanty of other jobs for short blokes:laugh:

I used to horse ride as a kid and there was a vet who had a horse at the stables I went to. I asked him if the whips hurt the horses and he said barely, if you whip them on the flank where you should the muscle is that dense it doesn't hurt, what makes them run faster is the sight of it out of the corner of their eyes which spooks them. I didn't believe him.....it has to hurt. :sad:

[Kazanne]

Who's feeding them and sheltering them and paying for their vet bills and protecting them from predators?

The people that own them :shrug: we have lots of horses round here they are sheltered fed and are allowed to graze, that's how they should be living

[AnnieK]

I always wondered why they only do one lap of the course and apparently it’s so they can get a team around injured horses .. put a tent around them ... then cart them off in a van ??


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They do two laps.....you can normally tell when a horse is fatally injured as they miss that fence on the second lap and you can see the tent :sad:

[Alf]

The people that own them :shrug: we have lots of horses round here they are sheltered fed and are allowed to graze, that's how they should be livingBut if horse racing is scrapped, then there's going to be 10s of thousands more that need that security, who's paying?

[Kazanne]

I used to horse ride as a kid and there was a vet who had a horse at the stables I went to. I asked him if the whips hurt the horses and he said barely, if you whip them on the flank where you should the muscle is that dense it doesn't hurt, what makes them run faster is the sight of it out of the corner of their eyes which spooks them. I didn't believe him.....it has to hurt. :sad:

I think it would hurt Annie
The horse racing industry has long relied on the premise that whips don’t hurt horses — but a new study has revealed that horses are thin-skinned creatures who feel pain when whipped.
Proof that whip use in horse racing DOES hurt horses.

www.mamamia.com.au/whip-use-in-horse-racing/

[user104658]

Yes, disgusting industry run entirely for the profit of themselves and the bookies. Dog racing is even worse. There's no real debate about it. The "who would care for them if..." argument is daft too - VERY short-term problem, if you couldn't breed and race horses for $$$$$ then people would simply stop breeding them for those purposes.

[Kazanne]

But if horse racing is scrapped, then there's going to be 10s of thousands more that need that security, who's paying?

If they are not bred then the amount will decrease , besides I am sure the ones we have could live out their lives at their owners expense afterall they are SUPPOSED to love their horses .:smug:

[MTVN]

How much abuse/mistreatment of horses takes place amongst those who buy them as pets? People who can't afford to care for them properly or get bored of the expense and hassle. And how many dodgy dealers make a profit by selling them for that purpose to families where they know they won't be well cared for or where they get people on payment schemes they can't keep up with :think:

Not a black or white issue imo

[user104658]

How much abuse/mistreatment of horses takes place amongst those who buy them as pets? People who can't afford to care for them properly or get bored of the expense and hassle. And how many dodgy dealers make a profit by selling them for that purpose to families where they know they won't be well cared for or where they get people on payment schemes they can't keep up with :think:

Not a black or white issue imo

It is a black and white issue... private owners mistreating their horses has absolutely nothing to do with competitive horse breeding and racing? I don't really understand your logic. "It's complicated because private horse owners also sometimes treat horses badly, so that somehow makes it OK that the horse racing industry treats horses badly."

Shut down both :shrug:

[Niamh.]

It is a black and white issue... private owners mistreating their horses has absolutely nothing to do with competitive horse breeding and racing? I don't really understand your logic. "It's complicated because private horse owners also sometimes treat horses badly, so that somehow makes it OK that the horse racing industry treats horses badly."



Shut down both :shrug:Or prosecute owners like that instead, there are people who mistreat their dogs and people who mistreat their children too, you don't punish responsible owners or parents though

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

You’re all fat btw

[Niamh.]

You’re all fat btwI'm pretty fat atm tbf, I blame Lockdown [emoji24]

[user104658]

You’re all fat btw

Dummy phat

[bots]

horses like to run, so there is nothing inherently wrong with that. Whipping them to go faster and forcing them to jump fences that could easily be made "horse safe" for very little effort is cruel

[Alf]

Flat racing is more dangerous than jump racing, because they're running at a much faster speed. That's why on average flat track horses will retire before they reach the age of 5 years old, many before that age. Grand national horses range from about 7 year old to 15 year old.

The fences are much safer these days and they're always looking to improve the safety of both the horses and the Jockeys, but sadly, accidents do sometimes happen in life.

[Zizu]

Flat racing is more dangerous than jump racing, because they're running at a much faster speed. That's why on average flat track horses will retire before they reach the age of 5 years old, many before that age. Grand national horses range from about 7 year old to 15 year old.

The fences are much safer these days and they're always looking to improve the safety of both the horses and the Jockeys, but sadly, accidents do sometimes happen in life.



Horses don’t jump hedges in the wild


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[Alf]

I do admire your tenacious fighting spirit on this subject, Kaz, and I'm not totally shut off to what you propose, however, the impact of just totally stopping horse racing could be devastating for both the horses and the people involved. That also has to be taken into consideration.

[user104658]

horses like to run, so there is nothing inherently wrong with that. Whipping them to go faster and forcing them to jump fences that could easily be made "horse safe" for very little effort is cruel

Bit of a myth; they love to run, but they much prefer to run without someone on their back.

[joeysteele]

If they are not bred then the amount will decrease , besides I am sure the ones we have could live out their lives at their owners expense afterall they are SUPPOSED to love their horses .:smug:

Hmm, on reflection yes, I think you've made a very strong point there.

Yeah, you're right.

[user104658]

Flat racing is more dangerous than jump racing, because they're running at a much faster speed. That's why on average flat track horses will retire before they reach the age of 5 years old, many before that age. Grand national horses range from about 7 year old to 15 year old.


This has nothing to do with how safe it is; it's because pure speed is important on the flat whereas experience comes into play with the jumps. Younger horses are faster on the flat, thus they get retired from flat racing earlier when they become too slow to compete. Jumps are (quite obviously) much more dangerous for both horse and rider.

[Alf]

Think of how many people your putting out of work, probably, tens of thousands or millions of people, that will be devastating. So you need to have something in place to deal with this.

[user104658]

Think of how many people your putting out of work, probably, tens of thousands or millions of people, that will be devastating.

:joker: where on earth are you getting those numbers.

[Alf]

This has nothing to do with how safe it is; it's because pure speed is important on the flat whereas experience comes into play with the jumps. Younger horses are faster on the flat, thus they get retired from flat racing earlier when they become too slow to compete. Jumps are (quite obviously) much more dangerous for both horse and rider.Much more pulled muscles and lame horses on the flat, because they're going at a much faster speed, and they run on harder ground during the Summer.

Yes! You're back off the ignore list. You're on probation.

[LaLaLand]

The jumps and fences in the GN are just ridiculous. I can’t watch anything about it because it makes me ill.

[user104658]

Much more pulled muscles and lame horses on the flat, because they're going at a much faster speed, and they run on harder ground during the Summer.

Yes! You're back off the ignore list. You're on probation.

A pulled muscle is not a fatal injury so it's only more dangerous if you consider the animal's worth to be purely in what it can offer as a competitive runner... and that's a huge part of the problem with the whole industry. Competitive horses are indeed some of the best-treated animals in the world... because of their financial value... not because of any care about their welfare. They're just a commodity.

[Alf]

:joker: where on earth are you getting those numbers.Bookies, trainers, grooms, stable boys and girl and all the other staff involved. Then there's the race track, caterers, stewards and all other staff. Then there's media, television, magazines, reporters. Multiply that all over the UK and I think that's a good estimate.

[user104658]

Bookies, trainers, grooms, stable boys and girl and all the other staff involved. Then there's the race track, caterers, stewards and all other staff. Then there's media, television, magazines, reporters. Multiply that all over the UK and I think that's a good estimate.

The gambling industry hasn't been reliant on racing for well over a decade, there's much more money in football and other "human sports" these days and of course those damned slots machines. It's also fairly well known in the betting industry that revenue isn't based on betting selection... it's based on what punters have in their pocket to punt. In other words, if someone comes in to put £50 on a horse and there's no horse racing, he's not going to walk out the door - he's going to bet that £50 on something else... football that night, big Tennis match, who he thinks is going to win Britain's Got Talent, whatever. That's the gambling mindset. If someone walks in with money to bet, they're going to spend it. :shrug:.

The rest is a fair point, the total number employed by the industry is easily in the tens of thousands but certainly not millions or anywhere close - I doubt it comes close to 100,000 if you take gambling industry out of the equation.

[Alf]

The gambling industry hasn't been reliant on racing for well over a decade, there's much more money in football and other "human sports" these days and of course those damned slots machines. It's also fairly well known in the betting industry that revenue isn't based on betting selection... it's based on what punters have in their pocket to punt. In other words, if someone comes in to put £50 on a horse and there's no horse racing, he's not going to walk out the door - he's going to bet that £50 on something else... football that night, big Tennis match, who he thinks is going to win Britain's Got Talent, whatever. That's the gambling mindset. If someone walks in with money to bet, they're going to spend it. :shrug:.

The rest is a fair point, the total number employed by the industry is easily in the tens of thousands but certainly not millions or anywhere close - I doubt it comes close to 100,000 if you take gambling industry out of the equation.Don't forget you want Greyhound racing gone too, because you said it's worse.

You honestly believe Bookies would survive how it is today without horse racing or greyhound racing?

What happens in summer, when football is in the off season and there's no games to bet on?

[Beso]

Yes it is cruel, and there are many cruel characters involved in the sport.

But I love it, nothing better than a day at the races with the lads.

[Vicky.]

Loads of people keep horses Alf, why is that an unusual concept to you? [emoji28]

My brother in law has 3...and keeps whining on that he is in a high paid job and cannot afford a foreign holiday, where we have a MUCH lower income and can afford 2 a year at a push. He doesn't seem to connect the dots, that without the horses he could most likely buy a bloody place abroad..must cost him a mint.

[MTVN]

It is a black and white issue... private owners mistreating their horses has absolutely nothing to do with competitive horse breeding and racing? I don't really understand your logic. "It's complicated because private horse owners also sometimes treat horses badly, so that somehow makes it OK that the horse racing industry treats horses badly."

Shut down both :shrug:

So you're saying shut down private horse ownership?

[user104658]

So you're saying shut down private horse ownership?


I said that there being shoddy owners outside of racing has absolutely nothing to do with the racing industry - the idea seemed to be that the existence of bad private owners somehow muddied the waters around whether or not the racing industry is moral. It doesn’t logically follow. It’s like saying “Umm well, the morality of testing cosmetics on cats is actually a grey area, because some cat owners are abusive anyway”.

I wasn’t saying “stop all horse ownership” I was saying you can tackle both the issue of the exploitative racing industry, and the problem of neglectful private owners. They are completely separate and the existence of the latter doesn’t somehow excuse the former :think:.

[user104658]

Don't forget you want Greyhound racing gone too, because you said it's worse.

You honestly believe Bookies would survive how it is today without horse racing or greyhound racing?

What happens in summer, when football is in the off season and there's no games to bet on?


The vast majority of over-the-counter betting shops are not reliant on racing of either variety to survive, both have been in steady decline for many years, and you’re underestimating how much shop revenue is tied to the slots machines. The majority of shops could not survive without their machines revenue, and there are plenty of places where it makes up well over 50% of total revenue.

Also, large bets (over £300) on dogs and horses are relatively uncommon, whereas £1000+ bets on football, boxing, golf, other sports, and niche sports markets (American football is a big one) are much more common for the “big” punters.

Grand National revenue has been falling year on year for over a decade.

Horses and dogs are a dying industry in the UK no matter which way you slice it, it’s a matter of “when” not “if” in my opinion.

[arista]

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[Kazanne]

Just because a woman won makes no difference,its still cruel ,and the old chestnut that keeps being rolled out that they are very well cared for is not true,but people want to believe that as it eases their conscience

[MTVN]

I said that there being shoddy owners outside of racing has absolutely nothing to do with the racing industry - the idea seemed to be that the existence of bad private owners somehow muddied the waters around whether or not the racing industry is moral. It doesn’t logically follow. It’s like saying “Umm well, the morality of testing cosmetics on cats is actually a grey area, because some cat owners are abusive anyway”.

I wasn’t saying “stop all horse ownership” I was saying you can tackle both the issue of the exploitative racing industry, and the problem of neglectful private owners. They are completely separate and the existence of the latter doesn’t somehow excuse the former :think:.

Yeah but it's worth considering whether horses on average might be better treated in the racing industry than they are in private ownership and also the unintended consequence of banning horse racing might be a surge in private ownership which causes more problems than there were before. If that's the case then an outright ban on racing might not benefit horse welfare at all and instead the focus should be on clamping down on abuse within the industry and finding ways to make it safer

[arista]

Just because a woman won makes no difference,its still cruel ,and the old chestnut that keeps being rolled out that they are very well cared for is not true,but people want to believe that as it eases their conscience


Of Course.


But to many Bets are still being done
Unless the bet's stop
it is not going anyplace

[Kazanne]

Of Course.


But to many Bets are still being done
Unless the bet's stop
it is not going anyplace

Exactly a prime example of human greed over animal welfare.:wavey:

[arista]

Exactly a prime example of human greed over animal welfare.:wavey:



Yes Greed
will never go away

[AnnieK]

Tbf it is racings one redeeming quality in that it is the only "sport" where women and men compete alongside each other for the same pay and proze money.

Still think its cruel and shouldn't happen though

[bots]

Tbf it is racings one redeeming quality in that it is the only "sport" where women and men compete alongside each other for the same pay and proze money.

Still think its cruel and shouldn't happen though

do they recite poetry as they are racing? :laugh:

[AnnieK]

do they recite poetry as they are racing? :laugh:

:laugh:

[Amy Jade]

I'll take that as a victory in this discussion.

Alf wins again.

The immaturity.

[Amy Jade]

I have a horse and I absolutely adore her, yeah she is expensive to keep I won't lie and she is time consuming but she's absolutely beautiful and I couldn't ever imagine even doing anything that could result in her injury so I just don't get how anyone who claims to love their horses would put them through anything like this.

beating them to run faster and risking injury by making them jump over something they naturally would not and then seeing them foam at the mouth from exhaustion isn't something a real horse lover would do. It's cruel and I call BS on anyone partaking calling themselves animal lovers.

[Marsh.]

You honestly believe Bookies would survive how it is today without horse racing or greyhound racing?

You honestly believe many betting shops survive based on horse or greyhound racing? You're showing your age, most of them survive based on what they're taking in the machines.

[Alf]

As my report function has been disabled, I'd like to report post number 79 for being insulting and baiting. And also post number 81 for being insulting with bigotry.

If you un disable my report button, then I wouldn't need to do this in the thread.

[Alf]

I have a horse and I absolutely adore her, yeah she is expensive to keep I won't lie and she is time consuming but she's absolutely beautiful and I couldn't ever imagine even doing anything that could result in her injury so I just don't get how anyone who claims to love their horses would put them through anything like this.

beating them to run faster and risking injury by making them jump over something they naturally would not and then seeing them foam at the mouth from exhaustion isn't something a real horse lover would do. It's cruel and I call BS on anyone partaking calling themselves animal lovers.What about putting humans through some of the things they have to do?

I can’t imagine putting a human on a building site, with all the dangers that are involved, it's cruel, no more building things.

I can't imagine putting a human in a factory for 12 hours a day of back breaking work for minimum wage, it's cruel. Shut down all factories.

I can’t imagine putting humans into work as delivery drivers and having to get out on those dangerous roads, it's cruel, no more deliveries.

Also, electricity is dangerous, no more electricity.

Water is dangerous, block all access to any sea, rivers, lakes.


I could go on, but you get the point.

[Alf]

Also, when a jocky falls off the horse, why does the horse always continue racing and jumping fences? That is a free choice by the horse, proving that they like racing and jumping fences.

[Kazanne]

What about putting humans through some of the things they have to do?

I can’t imagine putting a human on a building site, with all the dangers that are involved, it's cruel, no more building things.

I can't imagine putting a human in a factory for 12 hours a day of back breaking work for minimum wage, it's cruel. Shut down all factories.

I can’t imagine putting humans into work as delivery drivers and having to get out on those dangerous roads, it's cruel, no more deliveries.

Also, electricity is dangerous, no more electricity.

Water is dangerous, block all access to any sea, river, lake.


I could go on, but you get the point.

But Alf there IS a major difference its humans that have evolved to do these things ,they made cars,wheels bricks and created work, to move themselves on, animals cannot do that they are subservient to us ,humans ,WE make them do dangerous things,that is not natural to them, they don't make us do anything,everything is dangerous in some form but we dont need to put animals in more danger than we have to just for our own entertainment.

[Kazanne]

Also, when a jocky falls off the horse, why does the horse always continue racing and jumping fences? That is a free choice by the horse, proving that they like racing and jumping fences.

It proves nothing,other than they are following all the others,doesnt mean they are enjoying it,but probably they do more so than having someone whipping their backside.

[Alf]

They have better lives than us humans. They get waited on hand and foot and then when they retire they get put into the stud farm where they spend the rest of their lives shagging.

Life of luxury.

[Kazanne]

They have better lives than us humans. They get waited on hand and foot and then when they retire they get put into the stud farm where they spend the rest of their lives shagging.

Life of luxury.

:joker:only in fairy tale land Alf . and they get killed when no longer useful or get injured so their life is not better than ours,

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2014/03/the-ugly-truth-about-horse-racing/284594/

[Alf]

Here, this horse proves that if they don't want to race, then they won't.

This youtube channel is called "Horseracingkills" maybe it would interest you Kaz? It's obviously an anti-horse racing channel.

But I used one of their own videos to make my point that horses still have the free will to not race.


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[Tom4784]

Inherently so, I'd ban it, if I could.

[Alf]

Inherently so, I'd ban it, if I could.Wouldn't it be quicker to tell us the things you wouldn't ban?

[Kazanne]

Here, this horse proves that if they don't want to race, then they won't.

This youtube channel is called "Horseracingkills" maybe it would interest you Kaz? It's obviously an anti-horse racing channel.

But I used one of their own videos to make my point that horses still have the free will to not race.


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Alf you are not going to change your mind and that is your choice, Myself , I would ban it tomorrow as I would lots of other 'sports' using animals, hopefully things in the world are changing so who knows one day you will have to find other sorts of entertainment, that doesn't involve animals. How about lining up humans and whipping them to jump and run as fast as they can,and if they break a leg, just shoot them.Tongue in cheek Would you take part ?We are not going to agree,but thats ok, you still make me laugh:wavey:

[Alf]

I'm not even a follower of Horse racing, I just have a go on the big events like Cheltenham and Grand national. When everyone does. It's traditional.

It's like Christmas, I'm not a religious person, but I still have a good old knees up for Jesus birthday.

[Kazanne]

I'm not even a follower of Horse racing, I just have a go on the big events like Cheltenham and Grand national. When everyone does. It's traditional.

It's like Christmas, I'm not a religious person, but I still have a good old knees up for Jesus birthday.

As a lot of people do I think,there is no thought for what's behind things, I think we've all done it at some point.

[Beso]

They have better lives than us humans. They get waited on hand and foot and then when they retire they get put into the stud farm where they spend the rest of their lives shagging.

Life of luxury.

Thats only the good ones tbf. The rubbish ones have been found starving to death in fields in the past.

[Beso]

I have a horse and I absolutely adore her, yeah she is expensive to keep I won't lie and she is time consuming but she's absolutely beautiful and I couldn't ever imagine even doing anything that could result in her injury so I just don't get how anyone who claims to love their horses would put them through anything like this.

beating them to run faster and risking injury by making them jump over something they naturally would not and then seeing them foam at the mouth from exhaustion isn't something a real horse lover would do. It's cruel and I call BS on anyone partaking calling themselves animal lovers.



Do you ride with a whip ?

[Alf]

Thats only the good ones tbf. The rubbish ones have been found starving to death in fields in the past.Sounds a bit like humans.