USA: Ohio 15 year old Girl armed with knife, Shot and Died

[arista]

[Witnesses said that the victim was a
15-year-old girl but police did not
indicate who had been shot,
just that the officer was not the victim
Authorities had been responding
to an initial stabbing call at around 4.30pm
The shots fired call was made just
15 minutes later
A woman at the scene - identified on Facebook
as Shonnell Kelley - shared a series
of videos from the shooting
Jones shared in the post that the teen had
the knife because 'somebody tried to jump
her' and added that she was the one who called for help]



She Should have Dropped the Knife.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/21/06/42020868-9493535-The_teen_turns_her_attention_towards_another_woman _at_the_scene_-a-1015_1618983126808.jpg
The Girl (Bryant) In pink clothes now dead

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9493535/Cop-filmed-standing-body-15-year-old-girl-just-shot-dead.html

[Liam-]

Calls the police for help and winds up dead, a truly sad state of affairs

[arista]

Calls the police for help and winds up dead, a truly sad state of affairs


Teach all to Drop Weapons
it can be done

[Tom4784]

I'm so tired of the racist police killing black people on sight while giving white mass murderers all the consideration in the world.

There was absolutely no reason to shoot this child to death. The police officer in question is a child killer and should be treated as such.

[Mokka]

The title is a lie.
She was shot and killed, not shot and died

Holding a knife isn't a reason to be killed. White gun owners march through the streets in America all the time proclaiming their right to bear arms, no cops fire at them... no cops kill them.

[user104658]

People will try and play it off as "about the weapon, not a race thing" but there's literally no way cops are shooting a 15 year old white girl unless she's actively stabbing someone to death. It's really that simple.

[Niamh.]

People will try and play it off as "about the weapon, not a race thing" but there's literally no way cops are shooting a 15 year old white girl unless she's actively stabbing someone to death. It's really that simple.

Yep

[Tom4784]

Remember that white teenager who literally shot up and killed a bunch of people in a church and he was apprehended alive and with no injuries whatsoever?

If only they had the same consideration for black people, but no, they'd rather shoot on sight and hope they can come up with an excuse for executing another black person after the fact.

[arista]

The title is a lie.
She was shot and killed, not shot and died

Holding a knife isn't a reason to be killed. White gun owners march through the streets in America all the time proclaiming their right to bear arms, no cops fire at them... no cops kill them.


No She Died on the Way to the Hospital
Title is Correct

[user104658]

No She Died on the Way to the Hospital
Title is Correct

:idc:

[arista]

People will try and play it off as "about the weapon, not a race thing" but there's literally no way cops are shooting a 15 year old white girl unless she's actively stabbing someone to death. It's really that simple.


No T.S.

In USA

Holding a weapon will get you killed


Best to Drop It.

[Smithy]

No T.S.

In USA

Holding a weapon will get you killed


Best to Drop It.

Unless you’re a white man ofc

[bots]

No T.S.

In USA

Holding a weapon will get you killed


Best to Drop It.

that is demonstrably not true Arista ... absolutely if you happen to be black, untrue otherwise

[GoldHeart]

People will try and play it off as "about the weapon, not a race thing" but there's literally no way cops are shooting a 15 year old white girl unless she's actively stabbing someone to death. It's really that simple.

And even then she'd probably still get gently escorted to the police station ALIVE :bored:

[Gstar]

Tragic news of a black person being wrongfully murdered in America again

[arista]

Unless you’re a white man ofc



Obviously

[arista]

Tragic news of a black person being wrongfully murdered in America again


Drop The Knife,


Stay Alive

[Ammi]

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[Amy Jade]

It's tragic that barely anyone is shocked anymore.

[arista]

It's tragic that barely anyone is shocked anymore.


On CNN HD Live

The Mayor has backed the Police Officer


A Steak Knife was being used, by the girl

[Crimson Dynamo]

Officers stopping perps (probably high on drugs) trying to murder people

its what they are trained to do

move along, nothing to see here

[Tom4784]

There's only nothing to see here for racists that think the murder of a child is acceptable because they're black.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There's only nothing to see here for racists that think the murder of a child is acceptable because they're black.

This is a construct you have created I'm afraid

[Gstar]

Drop The Knife,


Stay Alive

Police still murder unarmed black people too

[Mokka]

Officers stopping perps (probably high on drugs) trying to murder people

its what they are trained to do

move along, nothing to see here

You're all talk about letting the justice system decide, and not judging the white cop doing his job, but here you have constructed a narrative based on stereotyping a 16 year old girl with dark skin.

And you claim you aren't racist?

[AnnieK]

You're all talk about letting the justice system decide, and not judging the white cop doing his job, but here you have constructed a narrative based on stereotyping a 16 year old girl with dark skin.

And you claim you aren't racist?

And when the justice system does decide, as in the case of Chauvin, its the wrong verdict and an appeal needs to happen.

It has to be a wind up at this point :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

You're all talk about letting the justice system decide, and not judging the white cop doing his job, but here you have constructed a narrative based on stereotyping a 16 year old girl with dark skin.

And you claim you aren't racist?

the police officer saw a murder attempt as you and i did and acted

unless for some reason you did not see a potential fatal stabbing?

[user104658]

I actually do think that in this case it comes down more to the policing methods than anything else. Watching the video, and going by what I know of standard US police tactics, the officer won't be found to have acted wrongly; she was armed, she was about to use it on someone else, police in the US are taught to shoot the armed person in that scenario.

However, in the UK (and in MANY other countries) this entire situation would have been handled differently, they're trained to disarm and apprehend people with knives and other weapons without anyone getting killed, and in this exact scenario it's likely that NO ONE would have died. To people who think the officer had no choice; does the UK police not deal with knife crime every single day? Do not they do so every day without firearms? And are people often killed because of the lack of guns?

Basically I'm saying that in most places, this situation (teens getting violent, weapons being present) would have been handled differently by necessity and thus it is perfectly possible to handle these situations without shots being fired.

Again it comes down to police in the US being trained too quickly, their methods being too basic, and the constant "one size fits all" solution of using their guns. The UK police have tonnes of training in how to handle violent situations without it ending badly. In the US it seems to be;

1) Point gun and make threats,
2) If that doesn't work pull the trigger.

[rusticgal]

I actually do think that in this case it comes down more to the policing methods than anything else. Watching the video, and going by what I know of standard US police tactics, the officer won't be found to have acted wrongly; she was armed, she was about to use it on someone else, police in the US are taught to shoot the armed person in that scenario.

However, in the UK (and in MANY other countries) this entire situation would have been handled differently, they're trained to disarm and apprehend people with knives and other weapons without anyone getting killed, and in this exact scenario it's likely that NO ONE would have died. To people who think the officer had no choice; does the UK police not deal with knife crime every single day? Do not they do so every day without firearms? And are people often killed because of the lack of guns?

Basically I'm saying that in most places, this situation (teens getting violent, weapons being present) would have been handled differently by necessity and thus it is perfectly possible to handle these situations without shots being fired.

Again it comes down to police in the US being trained too quickly, their methods being too basic, and the constant "one size fits all" solution of using their guns. The UK police have tonnes of training in how to handle violent situations without it ending badly. In the US it seems to be;

1) Point gun and make threats,
2) If that doesn't work pull the trigger.


Why do they always have to shoot to kill though?....I obviously get it if someone is armed with a gun and shooting people...otherwise surely a bullet in the leg will immobolise them without killing them.

[Glenn.]

Why do they always have to shoot to kill though?....I obviously get it if someone is armed with a gun and shooting people...otherwise surely a bullet in the leg will immobolise them without killing them.

This is my thinking too.

If the person is a danger you immobilise the problem, not irrationally spray bullets at them. It just shows that the police are not mentally stable enough to handle a gun if they can’t keep a cool head when needed.

[Beso]

I actually do think that in this case it comes down more to the policing methods than anything else. Watching the video, and going by what I know of standard US police tactics, the officer won't be found to have acted wrongly; she was armed, she was about to use it on someone else, police in the US are taught to shoot the armed person in that scenario.

However, in the UK (and in MANY other countries) this entire situation would have been handled differently, they're trained to disarm and apprehend people with knives and other weapons without anyone getting killed, and in this exact scenario it's likely that NO ONE would have died. To people who think the officer had no choice; does the UK police not deal with knife crime every single day? Do not they do so every day without firearms? And are people often killed because of the lack of guns?

Basically I'm saying that in most places, this situation (teens getting violent, weapons being present) would have been handled differently by necessity and thus it is perfectly possible to handle these situations without shots being fired.

Again it comes down to police in the US being trained too quickly, their methods being too basic, and the constant "one size fits all" solution of using their guns. The UK police have tonnes of training in how to handle violent situations without it ending badly. In the US it seems to be;

1) Point gun and make threats,
2) If that doesn't work pull the trigger.



By the time the uk police deal with a knife crime there is a dead teenager on the street already.

[user104658]

By the time the uk police deal with a knife crime there is a dead teenager on the street already.

Obviously it happens, but for context, in 2020 there were 24 fatal stabbings of under-18's in the UK and 248 fatal knife attacks total...

In the same period in the US there were over 1000 fatal police shootings and over 20,000 gun-related killings total.

It's plain as day that disarming both the police and the population is the only answer.

[bots]

it's almost impossible to shoot someone to disable them. It requires extreme levels of skill and a calm environment, so it's just not a realistic option. If a policeman shoots you in any country, they intend to kill you.

[Tony Montana]

He could have just tackled her to the ground, not shoot her.

[Vanessa]

It's definitely a race issue.
Because I doubt they would have shot to kill a white person. Even if they were armed.

[Tom4784]

Imagine assuming a person is 'high on drugs' based on nothing but the colour of their skin, some people are really letting their white hoods show.

[Tom4784]

I actually do think that in this case it comes down more to the policing methods than anything else. Watching the video, and going by what I know of standard US police tactics, the officer won't be found to have acted wrongly; she was armed, she was about to use it on someone else, police in the US are taught to shoot the armed person in that scenario.

However, in the UK (and in MANY other countries) this entire situation would have been handled differently, they're trained to disarm and apprehend people with knives and other weapons without anyone getting killed, and in this exact scenario it's likely that NO ONE would have died. To people who think the officer had no choice; does the UK police not deal with knife crime every single day? Do not they do so every day without firearms? And are people often killed because of the lack of guns?

Basically I'm saying that in most places, this situation (teens getting violent, weapons being present) would have been handled differently by necessity and thus it is perfectly possible to handle these situations without shots being fired.

Again it comes down to police in the US being trained too quickly, their methods being too basic, and the constant "one size fits all" solution of using their guns. The UK police have tonnes of training in how to handle violent situations without it ending badly. In the US it seems to be;

1) Point gun and make threats,
2) If that doesn't work pull the trigger.

Problem is that there are cases when they've taken in white active shooters without harming them before. The training is terrible in the US, but we can't undersell how deeply racist the police organisation is in the US.

The police are more likely to show restraint to a white mass shooter than they will any black person. The system is broken.

[rusticgal]

it's almost impossible to shoot someone to disable them. It requires extreme levels of skill and a calm environment, so it's just not a realistic option. If a policeman shoots you in any country, they intend to kill you.


I cant see whats too difficult to shoot someone in the leg...either that or use the stun gun....

[GoldHeart]

This is my thinking too.

If the person is a danger you immobilise the problem, not irrationally spray bullets at them. It just shows that the police are not mentally stable enough to handle a gun if they can’t keep a cool head when needed.

Too many of the police seem to be TRIGGER HAPPY , and on a deranged power trip. The sheer ignorance and incompetence that they keep showing is beyond infuriating. But what can we expect from the land of the gun nuts .

[user104658]

it's almost impossible to shoot someone to disable them. It requires extreme levels of skill and a calm environment, so it's just not a realistic option. If a policeman shoots you in any country, they intend to kill you.

It's almost impossible to shoot to DEFINITELY disable as aim is never that precise any gunshot wound carries a risk of death (because arteries) - BUT if you shoot someone once in the shoulder or a limb they have a decent chance of survival. If you shoot someone three times center mass they're almost certainly going to die.

[arista]

It's definitely a race issue.
Because I doubt they would have shot to kill a white person. Even if they were armed.


I think
Cops would also Shoot a White Person
with such a Deadly Steak Knife

[rusticgal]

It's definitely a race issue.
Because I doubt they would have shot to kill a white person. Even if they were armed.


I think you will find that many white people have been shot/killed by the Police in America...its just that we never hear about it.

[Cherie]

I think you will find that many white people have been shot/killed by the Police in America...its just that we never hear about it.

I don't know how reliable this graph is but it would appear so

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

[Niamh.]

I don't know how reliable this graph is but it would appear so

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

You have to take into account though the population size of each race

White: 60.1% (Non-Hispanic) Hispanic: 18.5% Black: 12.2% Asian: 5.6%

And then :

In an analysis of 4,653 fatal shootings for which information about both race and age were available, the researchers found a small but statistically significant decline in white deaths (about 1%) but no significant change in deaths for BIPOC. There were 5,367 fatal police shootings during that five-year period, according to the Post’s database. In the case of armed victims, Native Americans were killed by police at a rate three times that of white people (77 total killed). Black people were killed at 2.6 times the rate of white people (1,265 total killed); and Hispanics were killed at nearly 1.3 times the rate of white people (889 total killed). Among unarmed victims, Black people were killed at three times the rate (218 total killed), and Hispanics at 1.45 times the rate of white people (146 total killed).

“Those killed by police on average are young people — the average age for all victims is 34,” Boatright said. “For Black people, the average age is 30.” For Hispanics killed, the average age is 33; for Native Americans, 31; and for white people, 38.

https://news.yale.edu/2020/10/27/racial-disparity-police-shootings-unchanged-over-5-years

[GoldHeart]

I don't know how reliable this graph is but it would appear so

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

We know white people get shot and killed ,but the point is as I've said already you're more likely to be shot and killed if you're black in America.

There's been 'incidents' of people sleeping in bed and getting senselessly killed, why because the police either got the wrong address or they assumed the worst as usual.

[Cherie]

You have to take into account though the population size of each race

White: 60.1% (Non-Hispanic) Hispanic: 18.5% Black: 12.2% Asian: 5.6%

And then :

In an analysis of 4,653 fatal shootings for which information about both race and age were available, the researchers found a small but statistically significant decline in white deaths (about 1%) but no significant change in deaths for BIPOC. There were 5,367 fatal police shootings during that five-year period, according to the Post’s database. In the case of armed victims, Native Americans were killed by police at a rate three times that of white people (77 total killed). Black people were killed at 2.6 times the rate of white people (1,265 total killed); and Hispanics were killed at nearly 1.3 times the rate of white people (889 total killed). Among unarmed victims, Black people were killed at three times the rate (218 total killed), and Hispanics at 1.45 times the rate of white people (146 total killed).

“Those killed by police on average are young people — the average age for all victims is 34,” Boatright said. “For Black people, the average age is 30.” For Hispanics killed, the average age is 33; for Native Americans, 31; and for white people, 38.

https://news.yale.edu/2020/10/27/racial-disparity-police-shootings-unchanged-over-5-years

We know white people get shot and killed ,but the point is as I've said already you're more likely to be shot and killed if you're black in America.

There's been 'incidents' of people sleeping in bed and getting senselessly killed, why because the police either got the wrong address or they assumed the worst as usual.

Valid points, I do think the gen population being armed does feed into it as well, in Spain and Italy the police carry guns but are no where near as trigger happy

[Niamh.]

Valid points, I do think the gen population being armed does feed into it as well, in Spain and Italy the police carry guns but are no where near as trigger happy

Yeah gun laws must be a factor too, they have such a weird relationship with guns over there

[GoldHeart]

Valid points, I do think the gen population being armed does feed into it as well, in Spain and Italy the police carry guns but are no where near as trigger happy

Yep , and I think police themselves in America assume EVERYONE is 'packing' as they say . It's normalised to own a gun , even when teens carry guns no one bats an eyelid.

Time and time again we hear about shootings in America, and we all just think sigh . It doesn't even shock us anymore :facepalm: .

[rusticgal]

I don't know how reliable this graph is but it would appear so

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/


Thats the one I found.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why do they always have to shoot to kill though?....I obviously get it if someone is armed with a gun and shooting people...otherwise surely a bullet in the leg will immobolise them without killing them.

we have been through this time and again and i have posted the reason

Limbs move fast, are thin and are very difficult to hit

they also do NOT stop people from doing what they are doing

ALL armed Police aim for the torso and shoot to KILL

[Crimson Dynamo]

We know white people get shot and killed ,but the point is as I've said already you're more likely to be shot and killed if you're black in America.

There's been 'incidents' of people sleeping in bed and getting senselessly killed, why because the police either got the wrong address or they assumed the worst as usual.

no they are not that is misinformation

[Oliver_W]

Cops saving black girls from getting stabbed :love: