'Let the bodies pile high': Do you believe Boris said it?

[Amy Jade]

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[Cherie]

Yes I think he said it, but not in the context it is being relayed

After all we have just had a 3rd lockdown....

[Amy Jade]

Yes I think he said it, but not in the context it is being relayed

After all we have just had a 3rd lockdown....

That's how I feel too, but either way it's a pretty tasteless statement from someone running the country.

[Cherie]

That's how I feel too, but either way it's a pretty tasteless statement from someone running the country.

Yes it's tasteless but we all say stuff that is tasteless at times, I don't envy any PM their job during the pandemic, the stress to please everyone as well as balancing the books is immense, he didn't say it in public and it was said among 'trusted' colleagues who are now seeking revenge

[bots]

for all we know he could have said, the alternative to lockdown is to let the bodies pile high .... Boris is the PM of a government that has locked down and supported the ongoing income of people while they were not working. He has invested millions in vaccines so that the bodies don't pile up. I am a firm believer in judging actions over words every time

[Cherie]

I would be more interested to know in what has been done to that flat that cost 58K!

[bots]

I would be more interested to know in what has been done to that flat that cost 58K!

that sounds like enough for some new wallpaper given the cost of previous renovations

[Kazanne]

Not sure I believe it as IF it was said why wasn't it said before now ,this supposedly happened last year, revenge me thinks . IF it was said ,it was probably in anger over lockdowns and in private so some loyal friends he has.

[smudgie]

Not sure I believe it as IF it was said why wasn't it said before now ,this supposedly happened last year, revenge me thinks . IF it was said ,it was probably in anger over lockdowns and in private so some loyal friends he has.

Election looming. :shrug:

[Kazanne]

Election looming. :shrug:

Yes,there is that :hee:

[DouglasS]

No I don’t think he said it, I feel like his words would have been twisted to portray a different narrative.

He may have said he’s not sure the country could survive another lockdown and he’s worried that the bodies may pile high if they don’t come up with an alternative plan, and that could have been twisted. It’s all hear say anyway

[Crimson Dynamo]

its all about the context

many parents have said "im going to kill you" to their kids

taken out of context that sounds awful

what is said in private should stay private

[Cherie]

its all about the context

many parents have said "im going to kill you" to their kids

taken out of context that sounds awful

what is said in private should stay private

yep, it's a moot point anyway given we are in a 3rd lockdown

if it was said and we didn't lock down then it would have some traction

[Nicky91]

No, he would not say such things

[arista]

Amy when he said NO
all TV news yesterday
he was smirking?

[joeysteele]

It fits with other careless comments he makes.

I couldn't care what context it was said in, to even think on lines like this is unforgivable or should be.

Not to his over 30% heartless hardcore extreme Con supporters it won't be, where excusing or excuses will be made for him.

It's a disgrace in any context from the person in the highest elected trusted position in the Nation.

Robert Peston has stated in person,the sources he has learned it from have stated they WILL be prepared to under oath, say he did say it, as stated in near fury.

It's inexcusable from anyone, never mind a serving Prime Minister.

[GoldHeart]

That's how I feel too, but either way it's a pretty tasteless statement from someone running the country.

Boris is a tasteless PM , doubt he cares what it sounded like.

[arista]

Left Winger on LBC
is going potty on this
He trusts Robert Peston on ITVnews.

Johnson should release all Money Data soon
after all waste their papers
Front Pages.

[arista]

Taken from my thread


Money Laundering
was mentioned on NewsnightHD bbc2
from an unnamed former cabinet minister?

Typical BBC.

Charles Walker MP, who does not back Johnson
that much, said it was not Tax Payers money,
money paying for
a New Flat at downing st,
No one cares about this.

[Kazanne]

Left Winger on LBC
is going potty on this
He trusts Robert Peston on ITVnews.

Johnson should release all Money Data soon
after all waste their papers
Front Pages.[/B]

Of course he does arista :laugh:

[arista]

Taken from my thread

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[joeysteele]

Of course he does arista :laugh:

Not all left wingers are liars Kazanne just as not all right wingers are truthful.

Anyhow Peston is usually a trusted source whether his view is pro or anti Con,or pro or anti Labour too.

I see nothing to laugh at on a comment of bodies being piled up.
No matter how it was said.

[arista]

Peston will not name the Source?

[Zizu]

Yes it's tasteless but we all say stuff that is tasteless at times, I don't envy any PM their job during the pandemic, the stress to please everyone as well as balancing the books is immense, he didn't say it in public and it was said among 'trusted' colleagues who are now seeking revenge



Yeah how many times do you hear the phrase “I’ll kill you if you do that again” or similar ?


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[arista]

We Need TS doing the Math


LBC Say he spent
£90,000 Above John Lewis Level ReFit

£30,000 is already the amount they get.


NewsnightHD BBC2 claimed "Money Laundering"
used??????

[arista]

Charles Walker MP
Clip from Newsnight
just shown on BBCnewsHD.

[Liam-]

Of course, he’s always been a tasteless twat, all he cares about is him and his pals being comfortable, he couldn’t give a toss about the rest of us

[arista]

Of course, he’s always been a tasteless twat, all he cares about is him and his pals being comfortable, he couldn’t give a toss about the rest of us


Are you Left Winger
then?

[Beso]

I'm getting to the stage of thinking that that's what I would prefer as well.

[Beso]

Of course, he’s always been a tasteless twat, all he cares about is him and his pals being comfortable, he couldn’t give a toss about the rest of us

Simply not true.

[arista]

I'm getting to the stage of thinking that that's what I would prefer as well.


What above the John Lewis level?

[Liam-]

Are you Left Winger
then?

That has no relevancy to what I said

[Toy Soldier]

He probably has flippantly said it or similar at some point but so what? I doubt it was a serious political statement, just part of a rant.

Never thought I'd be one to support Boris but Cummings has his filthy little fingers ALL over this, it feels like a coup/beginnings of an attempt to remove & replace with someone else, and if Cummings is involved in an action like that then it can only be bad ****ing news.

[Cherie]

Taken from my thread

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:joker:

[Amy Jade]

not many trust him do they? :laugh:

[arista]

not many trust him do they? :laugh:

Yesterday as he said NO
he was smirking.



He can not keep a straight face?

[Crimson Dynamo]

not many trust him do they? :laugh:

when you get to cabinet-level i doubt a single person trusts the other one

[Cherie]

not many trust him do they? :laugh:

how many politicians do you trust of any party :shrug:

[Amy Jade]

how many politicians do you trust of any party :shrug:

I trusted our Theresa

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[Cherie]

I trusted our Theresa

https://acegif.com/wp-content/uploads/gif-theresa-may-dance-16.gif

:joker:

[Glenn.]

As he’s a complete moron it is definitely something I can see him saying yes.

[Smithy]

He obviously said it, apparently it was back in September which was what 4 months before the next lockdown

[Cherie]

He obviously said it, apparently it was back in September which was what 4 months before the next lockdown

Allegedly it was said in November when we were locking down for the 2nd time

[Crimson Dynamo]

Allegedly it was said in November when we were locking down for the 2nd time

30th October to be precise

[bots]

it's so obvious that there is an agenda against Boris at the moment, yet again, the media is directing everything. People say that the media has a right wing bias ... well, i think this shows things differently.

[Crimson Dynamo]

SIR – The arguments between Mr Cummings and the PM seem to focus on
decisions examined in hindsight and, when made, being on the spectrum
between guesswork and certainty.

In favour of the PM, the public appears to prefer being vaccinated promptly and
not dying from Covid, rather than following the EU and landing up at the end of
the queue. If the PM is somewhat Machiavellian, at least he is our Machiavelli.


Dr Ramon Gardner
Cambridge

Todays Telegraph

[Liam-]

Whether it was a flippant comment or not really doesn’t matter though does it? The leader of a country going through an international health crisis, should not be talking about the people they’re supposed to protect dying in their tens of thousands so casually and heartlessly

[Smithy]

it's so obvious that there is an agenda against Boris at the moment, yet again, the media is directing everything. People say that the media has a right wing bias ... well, i think this shows things differently.

This is the first thing they’ve dragged him for, 150,00 people died and they painted it as him being some sympathic leader that did everything he could

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is the first thing they’ve dragged him for, 150,00 people died and they painted it as him being some sympathic leader that did everything he could

which "media" specifically?

Twitter, facebook, The BBC, CNN, The Guardian, The Mirror, the internet, Commercial Radio?

[Livia]

He probably has flippantly said it or similar at some point but so what? I doubt it was a serious political statement, just part of a rant.

Never thought I'd be one to support Boris but Cummings has his filthy little fingers ALL over this, it feels like a coup/beginnings of an attempt to remove & replace with someone else, and if Cummings is involved in an action like that then it can only be bad ****ing news.

Agree with this, particularly the bit in bold.

[joeysteele]

Whether it was a flippant comment or not really doesn’t matter though does it? The leader of a country going through an international health crisis, should not be talking about the people they’re supposed to protect dying in their tens of thousands so casually and heartlessly


It's indicated it was said when he was heated up.

I agree with all you've said above.
It's staggering he'll get excused on this, plus it isn't only Cummings if he's one saying it
Both BBC and ITV have sources prepared to swear on oath he said it if they're asked to.

I do myself write off about up to 25% of extreme, heartless Con voters who would support anything the CONS do, immaterial of any consequences

How anyone else other than that hardcore of my own personal view and estimation of 25%, would however even try to dismiss, belittle or excuse the words in any context.

Is in my view despicable and insulting to those who've lost loved ones unnecessarily because of this PM's diabolical procrastination on the pandemic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I do myself write off about up to 25% of extreme, heartless Con voters who would support anything the CONS do, immaterial of any consequences

How anyone else other than that hardcore of my own personal view and estimation of 25%, would however even try to dismiss, belittle or excuse the words in any context.



up to 25%?

on page one of this debate you stated "Not to his over 30% heartless hardcore extreme Con supporters "

up to 25%
or
over 30%

:shrug:

[arista]

I trusted our Theresa

https://acegif.com/wp-content/uploads/gif-theresa-may-dance-16.gif


NO


she wasted TIME


Brexit Time


Do not even bring her Name
on your great thread

[arista]

which "media" specifically?

Twitter, facebook, The BBC, CNN, The Guardian, The Mirror, the internet, Commercial Radio?



Yes 10AM

LBC the Left Winger

[Marsh.]

Conservative **** couldn't give a toss about anyone but himself and his peers.

No. I'm not shocked.

[Beso]

Conservative **** couldn't give a toss about anyone but himself and his peers.

No. I'm not shocked.

It was a mute statement.. considering we DID go back into lockdown once he said it, well that just shows it was a throwaway comment..

Now think back a little further to tony Blair's words(lies) about weapons of mass destruction....cause that did end up in bodies being piled high.:shrug:

[arista]

TS

£90,000 Total Approx amount (For Above John Lewis standard)

take out £30,000 Auto Payment

NewsnightHD bbc2 last night
claimed a form of "money Laundering"
was used?

[Marsh.]

It was a mute statement.. considering we DID go back into lockdown once he said it, well that just shows it was a throwaway comment..

Now think back a little further to tony Blair's words(lies) about weapons of mass destruction....cause that did end up in bodies being piled high.:shrug:

I don't need to think of Tony Blair's disgusting crimes in order to falsely absolve Boris Johnson. That's bullsh*t logic. Nobody said he's the first twat Prime Minister. I'm sure he's not the last either.

[Beso]

I don't need to think of Tony Blair's disgusting crimes in order to falsely absolve Boris Johnson. That's bullsh*t logic. Nobody said he's the first twat Prime Minister. I'm sure he's not the last either.

Absolve him off what?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Owl lantern - £11,600

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03/02/21/39964514-0-image-m-58_1614720648160.jpg

[Cherie]

Owl lantern - £11,600

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Is it made of gold

[Cherie]

Careful what you wish for with Bojo gone we might get someone who wont lock down if need be

[Tom4784]

It wouldn't surprise me one bit, and now doubt tory supporters will continue to defend him despite all his repeated failures.

'Oh bless him, he's trying his best xx' No, you say that to a child in an Egg and Spoon race, not to an incompetent arsehole that's running the country and constantly ****ing things up. If you can't handle leadership or are just generally incompetent, step aside for someone who can and who isn't.

If it was anyone but the tories, such a statement would be politically devastating, people need to hold the tories to the same standards as anyone else.

[Tom4784]

Careful what you wish for with Bojo gone we might get someone who wont lock down if need be

'Accept incompetence, we might get someone worse!'

What a warped way of thinking.

[Tom4784]

NO


she wasted TIME


Brexit Time


Do not even bring her Name
on your great thread

No, she was basically a seat warmer for the tories' political pantomine to put Boris in charge in a better position. He made a song and dance about quitting his position in May's cabinet over the deal and he basically accepted the same deal once she took the flack for it all and left Downing Street to him.

If anyone wasted time, it's Boris and the people who used Brexit as a political tool to position him as PM at the time of their choosing.

[arista]

Owl lantern - £11,600

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03/02/21/39964514-0-image-m-58_1614720648160.jpg


I assume that's above John Lewis

[LukeB]

NO


she wasted TIME


Brexit Time


Do not even bring her Name
on your great thread

She did handle brexit bad but I don’t think it’s really her fault. David Cameron caused this mess and quit so whoever took over was thrown into the deep end. I wasn’t a fan of Teresa but I did feel sorry for her.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I assume that's above John Lewis

yes as is their Bear Sofa for £19,000

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03/02/21/39964520-0-image-m-56_1614720574216.jpg
The sofa is made by British craftsmen who build wooden frames ready to be hand-sprung, hand-stitched and webbed using feather and down cushions

[Amy Jade]

How can some of you downplay Boris saying he'd rather see dead bodies in the street than close primark yet you're absolutely furious Meghan Markle took her kid for a walk?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I was in Primark yesterday and it was rammed - huge queues but as i had me mum in a wheelchair you dont have to wait you just march up to the end til and they take you. PLus they refunded the GOvernment for the covid help. good store.

[Tom4784]

How can some of you downplay Boris saying he'd rather see dead bodies in the street than close primark yet you're absolutely furious Meghan Markle took her kid for a walk?

Indoctrination, mostly.

If a non-tory MP said this, the population would be out for blood, but because it's Boris, people downplay it.

I wish this country would become distinctly less stupid and discard the notion of loyalty towards a political party. If I support a party and they let me down, I no longer support them, I don't blindly cheer for them regardless, because I demand competence from leadership above all else. This country is spineless because we're too happy to bootlick the tories as they stamp on our throats.

[Crimson Dynamo]

interesting that people call him Boris

rather than Johnston

Not many politicians get called by their Christan name..

[Tom4784]

If that's what interesting to you, you've missed the point of, well, everything.

[Beso]

Its very rude to slate people for thier political stances...very very rude. And certainly uncalled for.

Not everyone the same.

[joeysteele]

up to 25%?

on page one of this debate you stated "Not to his over 30% heartless hardcore extreme Con supporters "

up to 25%
or
over 30%

:shrug:


It's simple enough if you read things properly.

The second post re 25% has in addition to being heartless etc, the line they'd support the Cons ' immaterial of the consequences'.

Very simple.

[Cherie]

yes as is their Bear Sofa for £19,000

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03/02/21/39964520-0-image-m-56_1614720574216.jpg
The sofa is made by British craftsmen who build wooden frames ready to be hand-sprung, hand-stitched and webbed using feather and down cushions

I would like one

and the red wine stains would be easy to wash off :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's simple enough if you read things properly.

The second post re 25% has in addition to being heartless etc, the line they'd support the Cons ' immaterial of the consequences'.

Very simple.

so around 6 percent are heartless AND will vote Conservative no matter what?

25% are just heartless but may vote Green?

:conf:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would like one

and the red wine stains would be easy to wash off :hehe:

Its a sofa one would expect at Number 10 and may as well get one that lasts

[Beso]

I would have got it in blue

[joeysteele]

so around 6 percent are heartless AND will vote Conservative no matter what?

25% are just heartless but may vote Green?

:conf:

I think with respect you need to look at your own figures.
The Cons in the last 3 elections have taken on or over 40% of the votes cast.

So where your 6% comes into play I've no idea.

I was talking about Con voters only.
To keep it simple.
Of the 40% who may vote Con.

I consider from my own view,30% are heartless and extreme harder line voters.
Immaterial of the consequences I don't consider more than 5% would not vote Con immaterial of consequences to others or Nation.
Hence my 25% figure left.

That leaves around 10% WHO VOTE Con, who are what I'd term a softer Con vote.
Whose opinions may alter.

It's my own view only obviously.

However the figures you've thrown up leave far more questions as to where you've got them from.
Considering the Cons got around 43% in the 2019 election.

[arista]

interesting that people call him Boris

rather than Johnson

Not many politicians get called by their Christan name..

Not Me
he is Johnson PM

[Liam-]

I just call him twat, it’s easier for everyone

[Kazanne]

How can some of you downplay Boris saying he'd rather see dead bodies in the street than close primark yet you're absolutely furious Meghan Markle took her kid for a walk?

There is no proof he did say it,people just go by what the media feed them and depending on who they like or follow will agree or disagree, it seems ok for people to believe this and have a pop at him, but people get up in arms if people dont believe MM and have a pop at her ? :shrug: personally i don't care either way until there is solid proof of anything, and there isn't as yet,

[Crimson Dynamo]

As for Boris Johnson’s loose tongue, one thing I have learned over 40 years in journalism
is never pay much attention to what people say. Watch what they do.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/04/27/europe-frighteningly-close-another-covid-blunder/

[Kazanne]

As for Boris Johnson’s loose tongue, one thing I have learned over 40 years in journalism
is never pay much attention to what people say. Watch what they do.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/04/27/europe-frighteningly-close-another-covid-blunder/

Yep ,actions speak louder than words

[joeysteele]

Yep ,actions speak louder than words

Oh well, in that case, that presents another horrible aspect as to him then, in my view.

Robert Peston is usually extremely careful on his sources and what he reveals he's learned from his generally very reliable sources, his view hasn't come from the media but from those who say they actually heard him say it.
Who are, in the right scenario prepared to swear on oath he did if necessary.

That's not just the media, no matter how much people spin it.
Plus it's Con supporting media who are saying it too.
Or are they only right as long as they were tearing Labour, Corbyn and the Milibands deceased Father to bits.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh well, in that case, that presents another horrible aspect as to him then, in my view.

Robert Peston is usually extremely careful on his sources and what he reveals he's learned from his generally very reliable sources, his view hasn't come from the media but from those who say they actually heard him say it.
Who are, in the right scenario prepared to swear on oath he did if necessary.

That's not just the media, no matter how much people spin it.
Plus it's Con supporting media who are saying it too.
Or are they only right as long as they were tearing Labour, Corbyn and the Milibands deceased Father to bits.

in what context was it said?

[joeysteele]

in what context was it said?

What a ridiculous question when you know fine well I wouldn't be there.

I personally don't care a jot as to the context.
To even think of saying it, never mind actually doing so, in humour, to look big, in fury or totally meant.
Is grossly sick from a Prime Minister with over 100,000 people losing their lives.

You can admire and support him for that of course if you like and if you do
I find it despicable.

[Kazanne]

I would like one

and the red wine stains would be easy to wash off :hehe:

:joker::joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

What a ridiculous question when you know fine well I wouldn't be there.

I personally don't care a jot as to the context.
To even think of saying it, never mind actually doing so, in humour, to look big, in fury or totally meant.
Is grossly sick from a Prime Minister with over 100,000 people losing their lives.

You can admire and support him for that of course if you like and if you do
I find it despicable.

"I personally don't care a jot as to the context."


i see...

[Beso]

Sometimes in a rage, or in sheer frustration people will shout out the daftest things.They never really mean it though, and their future actions end up showing that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sometimes in a rage, or in sheer frustration people will shout out the daftest things.They never really mean it though, and their future actions end up showing that.

private convo

not policy

just a bat for the haters to hit him with

[rusticgal]

I think he could have said it....if he did obviously he wasn’t being serious.

[Beso]

I think he could have said it....if he did obviously he wasn’t being serious.

He may have been though as well, cause to save us all from ruin, that's what may have had to happen at one point.

His actions however spoke a thousand volumes for me, not his words.

People listened to him about lockdown, I would often be hearing people say, "let's see what boris has got to say first" hes led us through this you know, it's probably why the sticks are coming out now. One final jeremyesque attempt at defamation.

We must have all thought about that at some point in this mad journey, the day we may have had to come to about ruin or deaths

[Tom4784]

Its very rude to slate people for thier political stances...very very rude. And certainly uncalled for.

Not everyone the same.

If you're clutching your pearls over what I said but are perfectly fine with Boris and co ****ting all over you, you're part of the problem.

The public have enabled the tories time and time again, they are utterly spineless.

[Tom4784]

There is no proof he did say it,people just go by what the media feed them and depending on who they like or follow will agree or disagree, it seems ok for people to believe this and have a pop at him, but people get up in arms if people dont believe MM and have a pop at her ? :shrug: personally i don't care either way until there is solid proof of anything, and there isn't as yet,

You almost had it, almost.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you're clutching your pearls over what I said but are perfectly fine with Boris and co ****ting all over you, you're part of the problem.

The public have enabled the tories time and time again, they are utterly spineless.

WHo are "the public?"


everyone but not you?

your contempt for anyone who isnt you is astounding

[Tom4784]

WHo are "the public?"


everyone but not you?

your contempt for anyone who isnt you is astounding

What's astounding is this weak ass attempt at baiting. 'I'm gonna insult Dezzy by making out that I'm incompetent at reading!' Outstanding move :clap1:.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[hijaxers]

Is it made of gold

Its revolting !

[hijaxers]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/28/00/42299448-0-image-m-14_1619567467567.jpg

Talkabout overkill ! Taken to limit

[Beso]

If you're clutching your pearls over what I said but are perfectly fine with Boris and co ****ting all over you, you're part of the problem.

The public have enabled the tories time and time again, they are utterly spineless.

I'm not getting shat on, I'm making loads of money.

[Kazanne]

I'm not getting shat on, I'm making loads of money.

Me neither Parmy, better off now than we've been in a long time, I think you get out of life what you put in.:wavey:

[AnnieK]

An awful lot of people were not given the luxury of continuing to earn money though with so many sectors effectively shut down. Yes, the gov paid 80% of salary but that is only base line. A lot of people in the sales industry make more money on commission than they do salary....if you can't sell, you can't make commission. These people have lost far more than 20%. People live to their means so its great some have flourished but many more haven't. :sad:

[Kazanne]

An awful lot of people were not given the luxury of continuing to earn money though with so many sectors effectively shut down. Yes, the gov paid 80% of salary but that is only base line. A lot of people in the sales industry make more money on commission than they do salary....if you can't sell, you can't make commission. These people have lost far more than 20%. People live to their means so its great some have flourished but many more haven't. :sad:

I get that Annie but that would have happened with any government surely, none have had to go through a pandemic, yes times have been hard, but there is help out there and sometimes we just have to help ourselves, I know lots of people do, but its undeniable some just sponge off whoever is willing to give. people moan about food banks but why ? if the food is there and will waste,give it to those that need it.

[bots]

I do think there will be a genuine bounce back over the summer so we do have something to look forward to after the horrendous winter

[joeysteele]

An awful lot of people were not given the luxury of continuing to earn money though with so many sectors effectively shut down. Yes, the gov paid 80% of salary but that is only base line. A lot of people in the sales industry make more money on commission than they do salary....if you can't sell, you can't make commission. These people have lost far more than 20%. People live to their means so its great some have flourished but many more haven't. :sad:

Spot on Annie again.

Of course it's good that some have managed to maintain or even better their own situations.


To have little to no empathy for those who have not been able to do so.
Well I find that Incredible.

On to another point too.
Of course too, there's likely hundreds of thousands at least of people left heartbroken, grieving for loved ones lost unnecessarily by the inaction of government too.
It's grossly insulting to present an I'm all right jack attitude when families, friends and neighbours have had their lives turned upside down, by the unnecessary losses of thousands of loved ones lives.

I'm unscathed financially from the pandemic but my heart and my family's too, are by the cruel unnecessary losses of 4 loved ones lives crushed and broken.

To hear even said in jest,. This PM alleged to have said, let bodies pile high..
To people like myself and my family that is an unforgivable disgrace.
Oh yes the groans will come again I'm on this topic, however it's getting more clear why this PM refuses to meet with families who've lost loved ones UNNECESSARILY, and why he'll do ANYTHING to refuse a full public inquiry now.

Because he needs any inquiry not to be held until he can likely have no conclusions made by it until after the next general election.
Which I think he'll go for in Spring 2024 at the latest.

There is only one characteristic this PM in my view has politically, and that is his masterfully execution in practice of total and utter deceit.
Even to abuse the power he was entrusted with.

[Beso]

An awful lot of people were not given the luxury of continuing to earn money though with so many sectors effectively shut down. Yes, the gov paid 80% of salary but that is only base line. A lot of people in the sales industry make more money on commission than they do salary....if you can't sell, you can't make commission. These people have lost far more than 20%. People live to their means so its great some have flourished but many more haven't. :sad:

Perhaps boris johnsons reasoning for not wanting another lockdown.:shrug:

[Amy Jade]

An awful lot of people were not given the luxury of continuing to earn money though with so many sectors effectively shut down. Yes, the gov paid 80% of salary but that is only base line. A lot of people in the sales industry make more money on commission than they do salary....if you can't sell, you can't make commission. These people have lost far more than 20%. People live to their means so its great some have flourished but many more haven't. :sad:

Well said Annie.

I know a person who had worked hard for 5+ years for other people to save to open her own business and she was open about 7 months and business was so good, then covid struck and she lost everything because of no help from the government. It's nice some have done well out of it but this girls 24 and a single parent who lost her business and it's gross to see people insinuate she mustn't have done enough.

[Beso]

"To have little to no empathy for those who have not been able to do so.
Well I find that Incredible."


The statement dezzy made was that people were supporting the Tories whilst being shat on, not about showing empathy..

My answer was in regards to the fact I support the Tories and I am not being shat on...you do not know how I feel about people losing thier lives to the virus...you claim I'm not showing empathy whilst not knowing one thing about how I feel about it.

[Toy Soldier]

Me neither Parmy, better off now than we've been in a long time, I think you get out of life what you put in.:wavey:

I think that's a bit of an over-simplification, many have been unable to carry on working... it's not that they're "not putting enough in". I'm lucky to be able to say that I'm once again better off this year than last, as has been the case for the last 5 years or so and likely to continue, but I am well aware that there is a huge element of luck involved; my wife works in healthcare and the company I work with was able to shift quite seamlessly to being entirely online. But I started here only a year before the pandemic (April 2019) - if I was still in retail management, I'd have been sat on furlough for most of 2020 and all of 2021 so far.

[Toy Soldier]

My answer was in regards to the fact I support the Tories and I am not being shat on...you do not know how I feel about people losing thier lives to the virus...you claim I'm not showing empathy whilst not knowing one thing about how I feel about it.

No man is an island Parmy; letting people slip into poverty and under-funding public services ruins the towns and cities we live in, under-funding of the emergency services can affect anyone at any time, failure to invest in transport clogs the roads you use for work every day, etc.

Your own personal income might be fine under the Tories but that doesn't mean you're not being shat on. And I doubt your income is comparable to the wealth of any of the bigger Tory names.

Like I said above my income has been steadily increasing for years and we're very comfortable, but I still have to drive my nice new car through towns and villages that are falling apart and full of miserable faces. Doing well yourself doesn't mean you can pretend things are good all round.

[bots]

vaccination was the only real choice for the government to make on getting the country in a position to bounce back and when you compare us against europe, we have a blazing head start. I don't like Boris, I don't like this government, but in vaccination they have done a pretty good job which will ultimately be the strategy that saves the most lives and get things back to normal for the vast majority of the population. People can rightly criticize Boris for his lack of tact, but that's all it is, because the vaccination program shows his commitment to getting the country back on track and that's all that ultimately matters for the country right now

[Liam-]

Me neither Parmy, better off now than we've been in a long time, I think you get out of life what you put in.:wavey:

Typical Tory response.

‘I’m doing fine, so everyone who’s not must be lazy layabouts’ gross.

[Kazanne]

Typical Tory response.

‘I’m doing fine, so everyone who’s not must be lazy layabouts’ gross.

Typcal leftie response !
No one has said that ,strange you had such a reaction!

[joeysteele]

Typical Tory response.

‘I’m doing fine, so everyone who’s not must be lazy layabouts’ gross.

I read it the same way.
Just awful to those who are and have been left moreso really struggling.

Sadly I hear it loads from the more hard-line Cons.
Who then attack lefties for caring about the more vulnerable of society.
Unbelievable.

[Kazanne]

I read it the same way.
Just awful to those who are and have been left moreso really struggling.

Sadly I hear it loads from the more hard-line Cons.
Who then attack lefties for caring about the more vulnerable of society.
Unbelievable.

Of course you did Joey ,but that was only part of my post, I know people have suffered ,we were low at one point, but surely that would have happened under anyone's watch during a pandemic, things had to be tough at times. We work hard ,why should I be ashamed of that ?

[Alf]

Sam Allerdyce to be sworn in as Prime minister until the end of the season. He's the only man who can save us in these situations.

[Glenn.]

No man is an island Parmy; letting people slip into poverty and under-funding public services ruins the towns and cities we live in, under-funding of the emergency services can affect anyone at any time, failure to invest in transport clogs the roads you use for work every day, etc.

Your own personal income might be fine under the Tories but that doesn't mean you're not being shat on. And I doubt your income is comparable to the wealth of any of the bigger Tory names.

Like I said above my income has been steadily increasing for years and we're very comfortable, but I still have to drive my nice new car through towns and villages that are falling apart and full of miserable faces. Doing well yourself doesn't mean you can pretend things are good all round.

Exactly. It’s sheer ignorance.

[Beso]

I simply dont feel shat on, and I'm not ashamed to say that.

[rusticgal]

vaccination was the only real choice for the government to make on getting the country in a position to bounce back and when you compare us against europe, we have a blazing head start. I don't like Boris, I don't like this government, but in vaccination they have done a pretty good job which will ultimately be the strategy that saves the most lives and get things back to normal for the vast majority of the population. People can rightly criticize Boris for his lack of tact, but that's all it is, because the vaccination program shows his commitment to getting the country back on track and that's all that ultimately matters for the country right now


:clap1:

[Captain.Remy]

I would bet some money that at some point during the pandemic, a lot of Presidents/Prime Ministers in the world have said this kind of thing given the difficult situation and constant criticism of all policies.
Not saying this is an excuse or whatever but I can understand the context this may have been said.

[rusticgal]

Me neither Parmy, better off now than we've been in a long time, I think you get out of life what you put in.:wavey:


Good for you Kaz...Im happy for you :wavey:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would bet some money that at some point during the pandemic, a lot of Presidents/Prime Ministers in the world have said this kind of thing given the difficult situation and constant criticism of all policies.
Not saying this is an excuse or whatever but I can understand the context this may have been said.


Indeed all about context

[Cherie]

I would bet some money that at some point during the pandemic, a lot of Presidents/Prime Ministers in the world have said this kind of thing given the difficult situation and constant criticism of all policies.
Not saying this is an excuse or whatever but I can understand the context this may have been said.

100%, I think we have all cried **** covid at some point, and if we didn't then it would be a bit odd, our lives have been turned upside down

[Amy Jade]

Good for you. I'm happy you managed but others haven't through absolutely no fault of their own so making out that anyone who hasn't is lazy because 'you get what you give' is ignorant.

My and my boyfriend were saving to buy our first home together, before the pandemic we both worked - I as a home care assistant and he as a bar tender (at slug and lettuce) and in a gym and a side job as a personal trainer. As soon as lockdown hit he had absolutely no work at all, his contract in the bar was gone because it was 0 hours and he couldn't do any personal training so he was massively out of pocket, none of was his fault and he worked 6 - 7 days a week before. He hot a job picking for a supermarket straight away but obviously the wages were incredibly different. How was any of that his fault? What more would you have him do?

[Beso]

Good for you. I'm happy you managed but others haven't through absolutely no fault of their own so making out that anyone who hasn't is lazy because 'you get what you give' is ignorant.

My and my boyfriend were saving to buy our first home together, before the pandemic we both worked - I as a home care assistant and he as a bar tender (at slug and lettuce) and in a gym and a side job as a personal trainer. As soon as lockdown hit he had absolutely no work at all, his contract in the bar was gone because it was 0 hours and he couldn't do any personal training so he was massively out of pocket, none of was his fault and he worked 6 - 7 days a week before. He hot a job picking for a supermarket straight away but obviously the wages were incredibly different. How was any of that his fault? What more would you have him do?

He did what he needed..got off his arse and went out looking for another job..one he got easily.

His bar job should be easy enough for him to go back to as there is a shortage of bar staff now...his personal training should kick in again..


Did you work all the way through amy?

[rusticgal]

Good for you. I'm happy you managed but others haven't through absolutely no fault of their own so making out that anyone who hasn't is lazy because 'you get what you give' is ignorant.

My and my boyfriend were saving to buy our first home together, before the pandemic we both worked - I as a home care assistant and he as a bar tender (at slug and lettuce) and in a gym and a side job as a personal trainer. As soon as lockdown hit he had absolutely no work at all, his contract in the bar was gone because it was 0 hours and he couldn't do any personal training so he was massively out of pocket, none of was his fault and he worked 6 - 7 days a week before. He hot a job picking for a supermarket straight away but obviously the wages were incredibly different. How was any of that his fault? What more would you have him do?


Your boyfriend is an example of what Kaz says though...you get out what you put in. Your boyfriend was like many finding himself with a loss of income...but he went out and found himself some work enabling him to bring 'something' in rather than nothing. Its a work ethic...and a good work ethic..soon enough your boyfriend will be back to where he left off and earning better money but in the meantime he didnt sit on his backside feeling sorry for himself.
My son was the same...so he got himself a job with the NHS at the testing centre...13/14hr shifts but at least he was earning and topping up his savings and now he is in a new job.
Thats the point being made and its an admirable one.

[Amy Jade]

Not everyone can just up and get a new job as I said further up.

The girl who lost her business was a single mum, she was forced into lockdown on her own and lived alone with her son, should she leave him alone to go to work?

Yes I worked all the way through the pandemic, I had to have time off as I got covid but other than that. I am also volunteering currently as an Immuniser and go to my local leisure center to help out yet I now can't afford to move out because my boyfriend doesn't have a stable job still. So I think it sucks any of you would say I must not be doing enough because 'you get what you give' or this is my karma.

[Amy Jade]

Your welcome...but I dont believe bar work pays more than shop work.:nono:

Have a nice day though...

I never said it did.

But Tyler went from part time work in a gym, private personal training and work in a bar most weekends to literally nothing and then just one job working 4am until 11 am so he's obviously not going to be bringing in as much.

[rusticgal]

Not everyone can just up and get a new job as I said further up.

The girl who lost her business was a single mum, she was forced into lockdown on her own and lived alone with her son, should she leave him alone to go to work?

Yes I worked all the way through the pandemic, I had to have time off as I got covid but other than that. I am also volunteering currently as an Immuniser and go to my local leisure center to help out yet I now can't afford to move out because my boyfriend doesn't have a stable job still. So I think it sucks any of you would say I must not be doing enough because 'you get what you give' or this is my karma.


Maybe your friend should get a job working from home...there is plenty of homeworking out there and there are loads of people that have had to work whilst looking after their children.
My son and his girlfriend have had to put their move plans on hold like many others...its a pain and its disappointing but they are not moaning about it..a change of plan. Its not the end of the world and they have their health...

[Niamh.]

Closed for Cleaning

[Niamh.]

Can you please stop getting personal with each other or I'll have to close the thread permanently

[Beso]

Not everyone can just up and get a new job as I said further up.

The girl who lost her business was a single mum, she was forced into lockdown on her own and lived alone with her son, should she leave him alone to go to work?

Yes I worked all the way through the pandemic, I had to have time off as I got covid but other than that. I am also volunteering currently as an Immuniser and go to my local leisure center to help out yet I now can't afford to move out because my boyfriend doesn't have a stable job still. So I think it sucks any of you would say I must not be doing enough because 'you get what you give' or this is my karma.


Dare I ask what your friends plans for her son was when she started working in her new business?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sir Keir failed to pin Boris down today - the SNP chap did ask Boris if he was a liar but the Speaker rightly called that question out and Boris did not have to answer.

[Amy Jade]

Dare I ask what your friends plans for her son was when she started working in her new business?
I'm not talking about it anymore as you reminded me so let's leave it.

[Tom4784]

Me neither Parmy, better off now than we've been in a long time, I think you get out of life what you put in.:wavey:

An ignorant viewpoint. It's just another way of saying 'pull yourself up by the bootstraps' by a generation that grew up in rosy economic conditions and only have what they have because of that and cannot understand how things are different now.

[Beso]

Yes..of course dezzy..

The 80s didnt have the largest unemployment figures ever. We didnt have made up taxes like the poll tax forced upon us..milk wasnt taken out of schools..etc etc...yes, it was all very rosy when I was starting my working life!!!


NOT.

[Glenn.]

Didn’t a conservative prime minister bring all that in though…

[Tom4784]

Truth hurts, I guess.

Young people were able to buy houses in the 80's, they can't do that nearly as much now. The job market is more competitive now while the cost of living is ballooning and wages are not. Young people in the 80's had it better economy wise than young people do now.

People of older generations had it easy in that regard.

[Beso]

Didn’t a conservative prime minister bring all that in though…

What's your point.?

[Beso]

Truth hurts, I guess.

Young people were able to buy houses in the 80's, they can't do that nearly as much now. The job market is more competitive now while the cost of living is ballooning and wages are not. Young people in the 80's had it better economy wise than young people do now.

People of older generations had it easy in that regard.

It's not the truth, and even if it was it wouldnt hurt at all, that's just a silly thing to say dezzy...

I doubt you were even around in the 80s to experience what it was like..so I should just ignore your points on this tbh..

[Beso]

There certainly wasnt family upon family having 2 holidays a year in the 80s...that's for sure.

[bots]

The 70's and early 80's had massive inflation, mass unemployment, general strikes etc etc etc ... sure life was much easier then :conf2:

[Cherie]

You have help to buy now, part ownership, help to buy ISAs, and just announced this week mortgages with a 5% deposits, properties are still very affordable if you move out a little, obviously London is in its own bubble and probably Manchester, but commuter towns are generally affordable, there was nothing like that in the 90s just 16% interest rates :laugh:

[Tom4784]

Well damn, you're right, I wasn't around during the 80's so I shouldn't speak about it. Well, I better go make an announcement to the world cancelling anything to do with history because none of us were around for most of it so who are we to talk about it? No more history lessons, no more museums, it all has to go since we weren't there to experience it ourselves.

By all means, if I'm wrong, explain it. People WERE getting on the property ladder easier than they do now because inflation wasn't as insane as it is now. a typical house costs in the 80's varied between 20k to around 50k for the most part while the average cost in today's world is over 200k (and that's the lower range). The median annual pay for 2020, btw, was 30k, while in the 80's it was 6k. You could save up every penny of a yearly wage in 2020 and it would still take you over six years to buy a house outright while you could do the same in the 80's and have enough for a house in three at the lower average ranges. Let's not even get into the fact that the cost of living in the 80's was much lower than it is now which made saving up a lot easier.

By all means, make out that you should ignore what I'm saying because I wasn't born in the 80's, it'll just look like you're running with your little tail between your legs.

[Beso]

The 70's and early 80's had massive inflation, mass unemployment, general strikes etc etc etc ... sure life was much easier then :conf2:

Wasnt the specials tune, ghost town picked as the song to sum up the decade.:shrug:

I'm sure it has been.

[Tom4784]

You have help to buy now, part ownership, help to buy ISAs, and just announced this week mortgages with a 5% deposits, properties are still very affordable if you move out a little, obviously London is in its own bubble and probably Manchester, but commuter towns are generally affordable, there was nothing like that in the 90s just 16% interest rates :laugh:

Then why aren't people buying homes as much as they were in previous decades? You make out that it's easier but the numbers don't lie, young people simply cannot afford to get on the property ladder as they could have in previous generations.

[Tom4784]

There certainly wasnt family upon family having 2 holidays a year in the 80s...that's for sure.

What do established families have to do with young people trying to get on the property ladder? **** all, that's what.

[Beso]

Then why aren't people buying homes as much as they were in previous decades? You make out that it's easier but the numbers don't lie, young people simply cannot afford to get on the property ladder as they could have in previous generations.

It's probably more to do with less young people forming partnerships, thus the need for a family home isn't as prevalent today.

[Tom4784]

Ah, so people can't afford homes or to start families and somehow they have it easier than people in the 80's did?

[Beso]

What do established families have to do with young people trying to get on the property ladder? **** all, that's what.

You are correct for once..it has nothing to do with that at all.

Which is probably the reason I didnt quote a comment about the property ladder when i posted my statement

[Beso]

Ah, so people can't afford homes or to start families and somehow they have it easier than people in the 80's did?

That's not really what I meant.. what I mean is, a lot of young people today dont see the need or need the need to move out of mum and dads house until they become financially stable in thier mid to late 20s.

Even then, for some they would rather just sit alone playing games in their darkened rooms and pay dig money to their parents, rather than think about starting families and buying houses.

Its different times. To many luxuries at mums house for many to want to move out.

[Glenn.]

Such a boomer response

[Cherie]

That's not really what I meant.. what I mean is, a lot of young people today dont see the need or need the need to move out of mum and dads house until they become financially stable in thier mid to late 20s.

Even then, for some they would rather just sit alone playing games in their darkened rooms and pay dig money to their parents, rather than think about starting families and buying houses.

Its different times. To many luxuries at mums house for many to want to move out.

:laugh:

the other thing more prevalent now is the bank of Mum and Dad

there was no bank back in the day ...sigh

kids now benefit from their parents buying their properties either in their lifetime or when the parents sadly die

[Marsh.]

Yes..of course dezzy..

The 80s didnt have the largest unemployment figures ever. We didnt have made up taxes like the poll tax forced upon us..milk wasnt taken out of schools..etc etc...yes, it was all very rosy when I was starting my working life!!!


NOT.

A different tune to when you were praising Thatcher in another thread.

[Beso]

A different tune to when you were praising Thatcher in another thread.

So what...that has nothing to do with this.

She had her plus sides and is probably one of our best pms.

[Beso]

Such a boomer response

I was born in 1970..not 1950...

Go troll somewhere else you parasite.

[Marsh.]

The "bank of mum and dad" is a fantasy concept.

Most working class young people don't have wealthy parents as a safety net. The "bank of mum and dad" is not a thing for most people. Nor is "wanting" to stay at home longer.

What a dumb statement.

[Cherie]

The "bank of mum and dad" is a fantasy concept.

Most working class young people don't have wealthy parents as a safety net. The "bank of mum and dad" is not a thing for most people. Nor is "wanting" to stay at home longer.

What a dumb statement.

There are plenty working class parents who help their kids out, and plenty working class people who have bought their homes and will pass the equity on in time.

Unless you are saying no working class person owns their own home :skull:

[Marsh.]

There are plenty working class parents who help their kids out, and plenty working class people who have bought their homes and will pass the equity on in time.

Unless you are saying no working class person owns their own home :skull:

Well... read my post and you'll see I'm not saying that. Quite clearly. My post didn't say anything about people who own homes.

Parents "helping their kids out" is not the same as saying they just get their mum and dad to look after them like babies. The word "helping" is an indication.

I said most working class people don't have "the bank of mum and dad" to rely on whether they want it or not. Some kids relying on their parents where they can isn't a "this generation" thing either. Much less a widespread thing. We're not all Prince Charles are we.

[Tom4784]

Isn't it telling that both the 80's and present day had poor economies and were both run exclusively by Tories?

[Amy Jade]

An ignorant viewpoint. It's just another way of saying 'pull yourself up by the bootstraps' by a generation that grew up in rosy economic conditions and only have what they have because of that and cannot understand how things are different now.

You always write what I think much better than I ever could dezzy :laugh:

[Tom4784]

That's not really what I meant.. what I mean is, a lot of young people today dont see the need or need the need to move out of mum and dads house until they become financially stable in thier mid to late 20s.

Even then, for some they would rather just sit alone playing games in their darkened rooms and pay dig money to their parents, rather than think about starting families and buying houses.

Its different times. To many luxuries at mums house for many to want to move out.

Glenn was right, this is boomerish as hell.

People don't stay at home because they 'don't see the need' it's because they can't and that line about gaming is up there with typical boomer responses like 'Well, they'd be able to afford houses if they didn't buy so much Starbucks and Avacados!!!'

People would be buying their own homes if they could, the truth is that it's simply not as much of an option for most as it was back in the 80's.

[Marsh.]

It's not even about generations. Even people growing up in the same generation can sometimes not comprehend someone living under different circumstances to themselves.

It's why we end up with the politicians we do. They can't or don't want to address the issues that do not affect their own bubble.

"I have more than you do because I worked harder or I wanted it more" is total bollocks.

[Kazanne]

I was born in 1970..not 1950...

Go troll somewhere else you parasite.

Don't rise to it Parmy

[bots]

It's a fact that some folk work much harder than others, it's also a fact that it bears very little correlation to corresponding success. Right place, right time ( no matter what the economic conditions are) and who you know are for more important than anything else. Those that have come through the pandemic unscathed financially and health wise, will have fallen in to those 2 categories

[Cherie]

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/sep/01/more-uk-homebuyers-turn-to-bank-of-mum-and-dad-as-covid-crisis-bites

the fantasy bank of Mum and Dad in action

early one in four home purchases this year will be backed by the “bank of mum and dad” – up from fewer than one in five in 2019 – as buyers struggle with the economic fallout from the Covid-19 crisis.

Financial help provided by the bank of mum and dad, encompassing parents, grandparents, other family and friends, will be a driving force behind the recovery of Britain’s housing market. Those able to assist will lend an average of £20,000 towards a deposit on a home, said researchers from insurer Legal & General (L&G) and economics consultancy Cebr.

[arista]

Johnson PM will retain the power to exonerate
himself of any possible breach of the ministerial code

Fact.

[DouglasS]

WHo are "the public?"


everyone but not you?

your contempt for anyone who isnt you is astounding

I often wonder why people trash the public, that consists of their friends and family also :laugh:

Its also incredibly condescending and arrogant to post/act as if you’re smarter or above the whole public because you have a different viewpoint than say the majority.

[DouglasS]

That's not really what I meant.. what I mean is, a lot of young people today dont see the need or need the need to move out of mum and dads house until they become financially stable in thier mid to late 20s.

Even then, for some they would rather just sit alone playing games in their darkened rooms and pay dig money to their parents, rather than think about starting families and buying houses.

Its different times. To many luxuries at mums house for many to want to move out.

:clap1:

Happy to say I moved out at 18 and grafted

[Marsh.]

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/sep/01/more-uk-homebuyers-turn-to-bank-of-mum-and-dad-as-covid-crisis-bites

the fantasy bank of Mum and Dad in action

early one in four home purchases this year will be backed by the “bank of mum and dad” – up from fewer than one in five in 2019 – as buyers struggle with the economic fallout from the Covid-19 crisis.

Financial help provided by the bank of mum and dad, encompassing parents, grandparents, other family and friends, will be a driving force behind the recovery of Britain’s housing market. Those able to assist will lend an average of £20,000 towards a deposit on a home, said researchers from insurer Legal & General (L&G) and economics consultancy Cebr.

.... of homebuyers.

You were claiming everyone was just hanging on mummy and daddy. Even the article states that when it does happen it's due to economic problems. And that's the proportion who have parents who can help, many do not.

Stating today's generation just want to scrounge is a wildly different point.

[Beso]

Glenn was right, this is boomerish as hell.

People don't stay at home because they 'don't see the need' it's because they can't and that line about gaming is up there with typical boomer responses like 'Well, they'd be able to afford houses if they didn't buy so much Starbucks and Avacados!!!'

People would be buying their own homes if they could, the truth is that it's simply not as much of an option for most as it was back in the 80's.

People do stay at home because they dont see the need.

I dont know any lazy avocado eaters, and certainly not many who stay at home under mums roof, most will be out striving to make a living.

People are buying their own houses, or at least borrowing from mum and dad to buy!

Boomer..you can stick your fancy borrowed phrases right up your jacket as far as I'm concerned, I'm 51 dezzy..I've heard it all already.

[DouglasS]

Weird how this forum claims to be so tolerant and progressive, yet are so blatantly and actively ageist

[Cherie]

.... of homebuyers.

You were claiming everyone was just hanging on mummy and daddy. Even the article states that when it does happen it's due to economic problems. And that's the proportion who have parents who can help, many do not.

Stating today's generation just want to scrounge is a wildly different point.

Show me where I sad that?

As per my post has been deliberately misinterpreted, I never said anything about hanging on any one, what I said is the alot of the current generation will benefit from equity growth in property bought by their parents, previous generations haven’t had that luxury. Where did I say anything about scrounging, stop gaslighting

[Cherie]

Weird how this forum claims to be so tolerant and progressive, yet are so blatantly and actively ageist

Tolerant ha ha

[Marsh.]

Show me where I sad that?

As per my post has been deliberately misinterpreted, I never said anything about hanging on any one, what I said is the alot of the current generation will benefit from equity growth in property bought by their parents, previous generations haven’t had that luxury. Where did I say anything about scrounging, stop gaslighting

Gaslighting. :joker:

I didn't say you mentioned scrounging, that was a general observation of the entire conversation in the thread.

[Cherie]

Gaslighting. :joker:

I didn't say you mentioned scrounging, that was a general observation of the entire conversation in the thread.

why mention it in your response to me then, it had nothing to do with what I posted and neither had hanging on to Mummy and Daddy. If you wanted to make a scrounging point don't quote me when I said nothing of the sort.

You might think the little working class people can't see an opportunity of a rising property market to help their kids or better than lives but I don't, there are lots and lots of intelligent working class people out there who have bettered themselves and their kids along the way, sorry if that doesn't suit you but it is a fact.

[Marsh.]

why mention it in your response to me then, it had nothing to do with what I posted and neither had hanging on to Mummy and Daddy. If you wanted to make a scrounging point don't quote me when I said nothing of the sort.

I'll type what I like thanks. If I want to quote you to reply to you and also include references to the entire thread, I will do that (the separate paragraph should have helped you there). Sorry.


You might think the little working class people can't see an opportunity of a rising property market to help their kids or better than lives but I don't, there are lots and lots of intelligent working class people out there who have bettered themselves and their kids along the way, sorry if that doesn't suit you but it is a fact.

Erm, who said any of this? :facepalm:

Nobody mentioned "little" working class people, nobody said parents don't want to help their kids live better lives, nobody said working class people aren't intelligent. We're talking about people who CAN'T just ask mum and dad for a loan, or financial aid. Conflating that as though I said they "aren't intelligent enough to do it" or don't want to do it is just a dumb interpretation.

You tried to write people off as unwilling to put the work in because mum and dad have money and it's just a ludicrous twisting of the lucky people who actually have the means to do that. And then using it as a blanket statement to apply to everyone. Many don't. But you know that.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Marsh.]

Just watched Boris versus Starmer... :laugh2:

[Toy Soldier]

:laugh:

the other thing more prevalent now is the bank of Mum and Dad

there was no bank back in the day ...sigh

kids now benefit from their parents buying their properties either in their lifetime or when the parents sadly die


Such a generalisation Cherie.

In the late 80’s My wife’s parents were helped to buy their first home by both of their sets of parents in their early 20’s and traded up and up through the property booms of the 90's and early 00’s.

In 1983 my own maternal grandmother sold my parents her 4 bedroom house at a fraction of market value when my sister was born (they were in their mid 20’s), asking only the cost of the one-bed bungalow she was moving to.

My parents got divorced and sold up everything, my mum is already dead and my dad has no solo assets left and a much younger wife so I’ll get nowt when he does die.

My wife’s parents are only 15 years older than me so we're likely to be pushing retirement by the time we inherit anything from that side.

Yes we’re doing well at this point but literally every penny is ours. To suggest that “the bank of mum and dad” is new and available to all, or that it didn’t exist for anyone in the 80’s, is just not true. We were extremely poor in our early to mid 20’s and got no help at all. Both of our sets of parents got heaps of help.

[Cherie]

Such a generalisation Cherie.

In the late 80’s My wife’s parents were helped to buy their first home by both of their sets of parents in their early 20’s and traded up and up through the property booms of the 90's and early 00’s.

In 1983 my own maternal grandmother sold my parents her 4 bedroom house at a fraction of market value when my sister was born (they were in their mid 20’s), asking only the cost of the one-bed bungalow she was moving to.

My parents got divorced and sold up everything, my mum is already dead and my dad has no solo assets left and a much younger wife so I’ll get nowt when he does die.

My wife’s parents are only 15 years older than me so we're likely to be pushing retirement by the time we inherit anything from that side.

Yes we’re doing well at this point but literally every penny is ours. To suggest that “the bank of mum and dad” is new and available to all, or that it didn’t exist for anyone in the 80’s, is just not true. We were extremely poor in our early to mid 20’s and got no help at all. Both of our sets of parents got heaps of help.



I never said it was available to all...I said it was more prevalent these days borne out by facts and figures, there are even whole websites dedicated to it


https://www.familybuildingsociety.co.uk/tips-and-guides/bank-of-mum-and-dad-research-and-guides


Bank of Mum and Dad
It's now quite common for young people, and particularly first time buyers, to receive a contribution from parents or other family members to help with a house purchase. With the need to provide ever increasing deposits, the Bank of Mum and Dad is now busier than ever.

The Bank of Mum and Dad is one of the UK's biggest mortgage lenders but how does it really work?


Of course there will be people who got help back in the day but it was not the norm, and there was clearly a push to buy especially among the working class particularly when social housing was sold off

People can release built up equity in their property in various ways so there are ways for parents to help if they are in a position to do so without dying!

[arista]

Just watched Boris versus Starmer... :laugh2:


Yes he lost his Temper
at Starmer

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[Livia]

Good old Kier, snapping at the heels of the PM, repeating gossip, worrying about the cost of a pot of paint. I wish he'd get back to rebuilding his ruined party so when Covid finally ends they're not a still a bit joke.

[Kazanne]

Good old Kier, snapping at the heels of the PM, repeating gossip, worrying about the cost of a pot of paint. I wish he'd get back to rebuilding his ruined party so when Covid finally ends they're not a still a bit joke.

:joker::joker::joker: he never has any solutions does he ? :laugh:

[Livia]

:joker::joker::joker: he never has any solutions does he ? :laugh:

No he doesn't, but if I had to think of something positive to say... well... his hair is always nicely combed.

[Kazanne]

No he doesn't, but if I had to think of something positive to say... well... his hair is always nicely combed.

Well there is that, maybe that's what Boris is doing wrong :hehe:

[Toy Soldier]

It's now quite common for young people, and particularly first time buyers, to receive a contribution from parents or other family members to help with a house purchase. With the need to provide ever increasing deposits, the Bank of Mum and Dad is now busier than ever.

Can I point out that the bit in bold is not mainly because parents have more money available to help now... it's mainly because it is so much harder to do it without help. Average house prices were something like 3 to 4x average income in the 80's, now they're 10x average income. 5% deposits were introduced because so few people could realistically save 10% of the huge asking prices. Parent=guarantor mortgages were developed because so many young people have had their credit ratings (which did not even exist in the same way 30 years ago) utterly destroyed by persistent debt.

You've taken the "more people get loans from their parents" and taken it as a given that the reason for that is there being more help abundantly available from parents - rather than considering that it might be because more people NEED that help and can't obtain enough finance without it.

[Livia]

I was talking about buying houses with my Mum yesterday. When she and my Dad married they lived with my Great Grandmother for a few years. They were both in fairly low paid jobs and didn't actually own a house until they retired, like many working class people of their generation. They did save for a deposit at one time and went without every luxury to do so.

[joeysteele]

Yes he lost his Temper
at Starmer

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As was said on TV this morning even by Lord Archer, there's a blast from the past and another one.
However he stated, Starmer was really clever in how he put his questions yesterday.


Which got this deceitful PM really rattled.

With even more to come as to how he set up and phrased his questioning.

The PM acted like someone really caught out.
Starmer isn't my choice however yesterday he cleverly and competently prepared his questioning, with putting one point in abeyance for a later time.
Where this PM may then be left with no wriggle room whatsoever.

The Con hardliners may think Johnson did good yesterday.
In my view, they've a probable big shock coming.
I believe people like Peston who are credible, know their sources are valid and very reliable.
The PM has stated no to saying a serious statement.
Starmer was not JUST on about decorating, he raised other issues too.
Including the more serious one for me personally.

That NO, may, in the future, ( since Starmer said he'd leave it there FOR NOW), and I hope it does, signal the end to this professional deceiver's career.

[arista]

"even by Lord Archer, there's a blast from the past
and another one.
However he stated, Starmer was really clever
in how he put his questions yesterday.
Got this deceitful PM really rattled."


Yes Nice of Old Archer to go into the London
GMB HD itv studio
but he should have also stated:

Johnson PM will retain the power to exonerate
himself of any possible breach of the ministerial code

[Toy Soldier]

https://i.imgur.com/W1FA9xH.jpg

"But it was just the same for earlier generations!"

I wonder why people these days might need more help if they want to start gathering assets :think:.

How do you argue with basic statistics? Baffling stuff.

[Cherie]

Can I point out that the bit in bold is not mainly because parents have more money available to help now... it's mainly because it is so much harder to do it without help. Average house prices were something like 3 to 4x average income in the 80's, now they're 10x average income. 5% deposits were introduced because so few people could realistically save 10% of the huge asking prices. Parent=guarantor mortgages were developed because so many young people have had their credit ratings (which did not even exist in the same way 30 years ago) utterly destroyed by persistent debt.

You've taken the "more people get loans from their parents" and taken it as a given that the reason for that is there being more help abundantly available from parents - rather than considering that it might be because more people NEED that help and can't obtain enough finance without it.


I have done nothing of the sort I was pointing out the different forms of help available today, and was also disabusing the notion that the bank of Mum and Dad is a fantasy

[Amy Jade]

I was talking about buying houses with my Mum yesterday. When she and my Dad married they lived with my Great Grandmother for a few years. They were both in fairly low paid jobs and didn't actually own a house until they retired, like many working class people of their generation. They did save for a deposit at one time and went without every luxury to do so.
That's what we did, went without but I admit since it's off the radar I've been spending obnoxiously but I am putting it down to cheering myself up atm

[Toy Soldier]

I have done nothing of the sort I was pointing out the different forms of help available today, and was also disabusing the notion that the bank of Mum and Dad is a fantasy



the other thing more prevalent now is the bank of Mum and Dad

there was no bank back in the day ...sigh

kids now benefit from their parents buying their properties either in their lifetime or when the parents sadly die

You were heavily implying that things are easier for people today because they have access to "the bank of mum and dad" suggesting it as a "perk" that people in the past "had to do without", rather than framing it as (more accurately) a sad reflection of the fact that it's actually much harder for hardworking adults to have the things previous generations did without relying on family to help them get there.

You added the "sigh", you called it "benefitting", the meaning of the post is pretty clear? Why would you say "We didn't have to rely on parents to help us out back in the day ... sigh". You framed it - quite clearly - as a disadvantage for previous generations but unfortunately the statistics just don't back up the "sigh". It was worse for people in the mid-00's at the peak of the housing bubble but we're quicly getting back there again. Other than that? The cost of a house relative to income has more than doubled since the 90's. Sigh.

[Cherie]

You were heavily implying that things are easier for people today because they have access to "the bank of mum and dad" suggesting it as a "perk" that people in the past "had to do without", rather than framing it as (more accurately) a sad reflection of the fact that it's actually much harder for hardworking adults to have the things previous generations did without relying on family to help them get there.

You added the "sigh", you called it "benefitting", the meaning of the post is pretty clear? Why would you say "We didn't have to rely on parents to help us out back in the day ... sigh". You framed it - quite clearly - as a disadvantage for previous generations but unfortunately the statistics just don't back up the "sigh". It was worse for people in the mid-00's at the peak of the housing bubble but we're quicly getting back there again. Other than that? The cost of a house relative to income has more than doubled since the 90's. Sigh.


I am not implying anything, I am stating there was no help back in the day,...fact

There is help today fact

yes house prices are out of control in some areas, but there are still affordable homes out there

low interest rates and a 25 year term anyone who can get their foot on the ladder by whatever means would be crazy not to, paying rent is dead money

so I take my hat off to Amy and her boyfriend, yes they have had a set back but they will get there

bowing out of this now because as per I am being told what I think

[bots]

in the 80's when i bought my first house, i had to save like crazy, take any overtime that was offered to scrape a deposit together. We didn't have the schemes available to help purchases in those days. Then, you had to serve your time with a building society, put any spare cash their way until they deemed you could get on the property ladder. People face different challenges at different times, but they are challenges just the same

[Cherie]

in the 80's when i bought my first house, i had to save like crazy, take any overtime that was offered to scrape a deposit together. We didn't have the schemes available to help purchases in those days. Then, you had to serve your time with a building society, put any spare cash their way until they deemed you could get on the property ladder. People face different challenges at different times, but they are challenges just the same

we rented out our spare room for the first few years, didn't particularly want to do that but it was a means to an end

[Toy Soldier]

in the 80's when i bought my first house, i had to save like crazy, take any overtime that was offered to scrape a deposit together. We didn't have the schemes available to help purchases in those days. Then, you had to serve your time with a building society, put any spare cash their way until they deemed you could get on the property ladder. People face different challenges at different times, but they are challenges just the same

They are not just the same house prices relative to income have more than doubled. These are facts and figures, I simply have no idea how people are managing to look at them and say "nah". There's a graph, bots. Have a peek?

[Toy Soldier]

I am not implying anything, I am stating there was no help back in the day,...fact


I'd believe you if you'd left out the "sigh". Worth considering in future if you're trying not to tip your hand, maybe.

[Cherie]

I'd believe you if you'd left out the "sigh". Worth considering in future if you're trying not to tip your hand, maybe.

sigh...

[Ammi]

...surely it’s fair to say that each generation faces their own problems/financially and otherwise...there is no ‘easier or harder’ because ‘lifetime building’ is a difficult thing for everyone or most people...in modern times, younger people will face ‘unchartered territory’ type stuff and whether there is help for them won’t be a black or white thing either, it’ll be individual and dependant on other things in their lives...back in the day, other generations will have faced ‘unchartered’ because there wouldn’t be progression if there wasn’t new challenges with each generation...and there would have been some supports for some back in the day and not so much for others...

[bots]

They are not just the same house prices relative to income have more than doubled. These are facts and figures, I simply have no idea how people are managing to look at them and say "nah". There's a graph, bots. Have a peek?

sorry but thats bollocks. House prices vary dramatically across the country. There are still places where property can be purchased for a song. If the aim is to get on the property ladder, it's still perfectly possible

[Ammi]

sorry but thats bollocks. House prices vary dramatically across the country. There are still places where property can be purchased for a song. If the aim is to get on the property ladder, it's still perfectly possible

...it would also I think have to be considered whether cheaper housing areas would be linked to little employment in that area because that wouldn’t be problem solving to have a property/mortgage and struggle for employment...

[Toy Soldier]

sorry but thats bollocks. House prices vary dramatically across the country. There are still places where property can be purchased for a song. If the aim is to get on the property ladder, it's still perfectly possible

They do vary dramatically across the country - in London and some other pricey areas the index is up to 10+ instead of just 6+. There are very few areas where it's less than 5+ compared to the 80's where it was sitting at around 3. It's increased dramatically country wide. Unless you mean by "some areas", deprived areas that have become over-run with drugs and violence leading to rapid devaluation of property? Perfect for the starter family home :facepalm:.

No one said it's "impossible" but the evidence for it being harder is concrete and staggering. The numbers are there, the figures are there, the shortage of housing stock is well documented, there are record numbers of families stuck in private rentals year-on-year and it's not through choice so ... ?

[arista]

LBC Left Winger is Live
going Potty about John Lewis asking is it not posh?

All week he is wasting his show
on Curtains?

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/29/10/42357140-9524823-image-a-1_1619688170347.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/28/21/42341362-9522651-image-a-56_1619643288897.jpg
[In a bombshell move, the Electoral Commission
yesterday opened a formal investigation
into the funding of the lavish refurbishment
of the couple's official flat. Pictured: A design by Lulu Lytle,
who is believed to have carried out the refurbishment]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9524823/Fears-Boris-Johnson-fall-foul-Tory-paper-trail-flat-refurb.html

[Cherie]

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https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/28/21/42341362-9522651-image-a-56_1619643288897.jpg
[In a bombshell move, the Electoral Commission
yesterday opened a formal investigation
into the funding of the lavish refurbishment
of the couple's official flat. Pictured: A design by Lulu Lytle,
who is believed to have carried out the refurbishment]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9524823/Fears-Boris-Johnson-fall-foul-Tory-paper-trail-flat-refurb.html



is that an example of her work, or the actual thing, its giving me a headache looking at it

[arista]

At Last Live on LBC
the Left Winger is now debating

Johnson PM will retain the power to exonerate
himself of any possible breach of the ministerial code

[arista]

is that an example of her work, or the actual thing, its giving me a headache looking at it


Example
Not their Downing St.
flat.

[Kazanne]

Example
Not their Downing St.
flat.

So that picture is not actually what he's had done at the flat arista,is that right ? because as Cherie said it's headache inducing,lol, far too gaudy for my taste.

[bots]

it would be like living inside a rainbow :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

This their actual flat after the refurb - the Daily Mail revealed it yesterday

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/09/08/30535658-8502641-Minimalist_home_office_A_Twitter_user_from_Indiana _shared_this_p-a-6_1594279593125.jpg

[rusticgal]

is that an example of her work, or the actual thing, its giving me a headache looking at it


I seriously couldn't relax in that room....:laugh:

[Marsh.]

Such a generalisation Cherie.

In the late 80’s My wife’s parents were helped to buy their first home by both of their sets of parents in their early 20’s and traded up and up through the property booms of the 90's and early 00’s.

In 1983 my own maternal grandmother sold my parents her 4 bedroom house at a fraction of market value when my sister was born (they were in their mid 20’s), asking only the cost of the one-bed bungalow she was moving to.

My parents got divorced and sold up everything, my mum is already dead and my dad has no solo assets left and a much younger wife so I’ll get nowt when he does die.

My wife’s parents are only 15 years older than me so we're likely to be pushing retirement by the time we inherit anything from that side.

Yes we’re doing well at this point but literally every penny is ours. To suggest that “the bank of mum and dad” is new and available to all, or that it didn’t exist for anyone in the 80’s, is just not true. We were extremely poor in our early to mid 20’s and got no help at all. Both of our sets of parents got heaps of help.

:clap1:

[Marsh.]

I'd believe you if you'd left out the "sigh". Worth considering in future if you're trying not to tip your hand, maybe.

Yep. No idea how people can deny what's there in black and white.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Boris approval ratings increase

Tories rise in polls

[arista]

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[Kate!]

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luv it :laugh2:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Marsh.]

1387750242343337988

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

JOB has always had a pathological jealous hatred of Boris - its beyond disturbing

:umm2:

[Beso]

Shave his hair down, and he looks and sound just like james whale.

[Crimson Dynamo]

SIR – The Electoral Commission (notoriously pro-Remain and Boris Johnson loathing) has announced, with fanfare and the support of the BBC, an investigation of the Downing Street redecoration farrago, even though it is not yet sure whether it has a locus or if the works “fall within the regime regulated by the Commission”.

If it might damage the Prime Minister’s standing with the pet-loving public, I am confident the Commission would investigate who is paying for feeding the Downing Street cat.

Terry Smith
London NW11



SIR – The threat of Covid is still with us. The country is trillions in debt, and a rapid and sustainable recovery is essential to our future.

The Leader of the Opposition doesn’t see it that way. Who paid a few thousand pounds to refurbish the Prime Minister’s flat is to him the major issue now facing us.

If this is reflective of his response to the challenges that lie ahead, then heaven help us if he is ever elected to power.

Nicholas Westall
London SE26

Letters DT today

[smudgie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0EgJK1X0Ao-ZTA?format=jpg&name=small

:laugh::laugh::laugh: I know you shouldn’t laugh, but I could actually hear him say it.

[Beso]

SIR – The Electoral Commission (notoriously pro-Remain and Boris Johnson loathing) has announced, with fanfare and the support of the BBC, an investigation of the Downing Street redecoration farrago, even though it is not yet sure whether it has a locus or if the works “fall within the regime regulated by the Commission”.

If it might damage the Prime Minister’s standing with the pet-loving public, I am confident the Commission would investigate who is paying for feeding the Downing Street cat.

Terry Smith
London NW11



SIR – The threat of Covid is still with us. The country is trillions in debt, and a rapid and sustainable recovery is essential to our future.

The Leader of the Opposition doesn’t see it that way. Who paid a few thousand pounds to refurbish the Prime Minister’s flat is to him the major issue now facing us.

If this is reflective of his response to the challenges that lie ahead, then heaven help us if he is ever elected to power.

Nicholas Westall
London SE26

Letters DT today




And there we have it.:douf:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Vicky.]

Yes, I believe he said it. However the context is missing here tbh. Purposely. Its extremely easy to take one sentence of a conversation to make it sound horrendous.

[Ammi]

Yes, I believe he said it. However the context is missing here tbh. Purposely. Its extremely easy to take one sentence of a conversation to make it sound horrendous.

...I’m not sure that it would even be out of context as such, it’s just more the type of think he could be imagined to blurt out ..’his way’ if you like ...like he’d ‘rather be dead in a ditch than go ask Brussels for a delay to Brexit’...back in the day...I mean, the context is all there with him, it’s whether an intentional literal meaning is there ...

[arista]

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