Northern Ireland :DUP Leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson takes over

[arista]

First Heading :Northern Ireland :dup
Leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson takes over



Live on SkyNewsHD

and Times Radio DAB.


https://news.sky.com/story/arlene-foster-to-step-down-as-dup-leader-and-northern-irelands-first-minister-she-tells-sky-news-12289489


They are saying she moved to far into the Center.

[bots]

my default reaction would be good, but I will hold onto that until her replacement is announced

[Beso]

Jesus to take over?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Get her on CBB

[joeysteele]

I wouldn't lose any sleep if the whole DUP were gone.
I've no time for the DUP full stop.

Whoever takes over from her, will be likely as bad as leader.

[Rob!]

Unfortunately with a party like that, it's like getting rid of a cold sore. They'll always be another one waiting in the wings.

[GoldHeart]

Not interested in DUP
But yeah probably a worse person will replace her .

[arista]

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[arista]

Edwin Poots
has put his name forward to be Leader

[Cherie]

Edwin Poots
has put his name forward to be Leader

Poots ....is that a posh version of Potts

[Cherie]

Never heard of him is he any good

[bots]

they are all clowns I think ... and the collective noun for clowns is a shudder which seems very appropriate :joker:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0NrOtFWEAM-ytp?format=jpg&name=small

[joeysteele]

She's apparently going to quit the whole DUP party once she steps down as First Minister.

Took her long enough to see how bad her Party is.

[arista]

Jeffrey Donaldson
has said he is going to run as DUP leader

Ref:SkyNewsHD


https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/dup-leadership-contest-cards-sir-20507803

[arista]

Jeffrey was Live in Belfast on SkyNewsHD

Talking Sense.
A Shared Future



https://news.sky.com/story/sir-jeffrey-donaldson-announces-bid-to-succeed-arlene-foster-as-dup-leader-12293869


He is Currently the Westminster Leader,

[arista]

Edwin Poots is now the new DUP Leader

[joeysteele]

I cannot bear this undemocratic party.
However I'm pleased Jeffrey Donaldson didn't get it.

[bots]

i found out today that it was ian paisley that formed that party, and then it all made sense

[Crimson Dynamo]

Poots is a young earth creationist and rejects the theory of evolution

Poots faced criticism for banning blood donations from gay people

In September 2013, as Health Minister for Northern Ireland, he fought the ruling that
would bring laws around LGBT adoption in Northern Ireland

[bots]

Poots is a young earth creationist and rejects the theory of evolution

Poots faced criticism for banning blood donations from gay people

In September 2013, as Health Minister for Northern Ireland, he fought the ruling that
would bring laws around LGBT adoption in Northern Ireland

you must remember ian paisley, he was a nutter

[Crimson Dynamo]

you must remember ian paisley, he was a nutter

i do but his heart was in the right place

[arista]

DUP leader Edwin Poots resigns amid internal party revolt

[Edwin Poots has resigned as leader of DUP
after just 21 days in the job.
It came after he agreed a deal with Sinn Fein
and the Westminster government to ensure Paul Givan
became Northern Ireland's first minister.

A majority of DUP members in the assembly wanted
to delay the process and he faced an
internal revolt at a party meeting.

Mr Poots, who took over from Arlene Foster in May,
narrowly defeated Sir Jeffrey Donaldson in a leadership vote.

Earlier on Thursday, Paul Givan was nominated
as the new first minister at Stormont while
Sinn Féin's Michelle O'Neill returned as deputy first minister.]

[arista]

DUP leader Edwin Poots resigns amid internal party revolt

[Edwin Poots has resigned as leader of DUP
after just 21 days in the job.
It came after he agreed a deal with Sinn Fein
and the Westminster government to ensure Paul Givan
became Northern Ireland's first minister.

A majority of DUP members in the assembly wanted
to delay the process and he faced an
internal revolt at a party meeting.

Mr Poots, who took over from Arlene Foster in May,
narrowly defeated Sir Jeffrey Donaldson in a leadership vote.

Earlier on Thursday, Paul Givan was nominated
as the new first minister at Stormont while
Sinn Féin's Michelle O'Neill returned as deputy first minister.]

[arista]

Never heard of him is he any good


No
he ran off,

[smudgie]

No
he ran off,

He Pootled off.

[joeysteele]

Get this whole undemocratic party gone for me . just extreme and awful as to all of them in my view.

It's scary that in N Ireland, this party still gets the most votes in elections.
Really worrying.

[Cherie]

He Pootled off.

:laugh:

I’m glad he is gone, I saw him interviewed on Marr, he made Arlene looks like a pussy cat


Sin Fein have asked Westminster to legislate on Irish language as he blocked it, then he appointed someone against his parties wishes

[bots]

they are a shower of backward thinking buffoons, nothing positive will ever come out from that lot

[Niamh.]

:laugh:

I’m glad he is gone, I saw him interviewed on Marr, he made Arlene looks like a pussy cat


Sin Fein have asked Westminster to legislate on Irish language as he blocked it, then he appointed someone against his parties wishes

It's about time these parties started viewing NI as a whole country with citizens who identify as Irish and as British and trying to accommodate them both. What harm does it do to a British identifying Northern Irish citizen? No one is going to force them to learn Irish.

[bots]

It's about time these parties started viewing NI as a whole country with citizens who identify as Irish and as British and trying to accommodate them both. What harm does it do to a British identifying Northern Irish citizen? No one is going to force them to learn Irish.

there is a requirement in scotland that a certain proportion of the tv programs have to be in gaelic, and i think there are about 3 people in the whole country who can actually speak it :laugh:

[Niamh.]

there is a requirement in scotland that a certain proportion of the tv programs have to be in gaelic, and i think there are about 3 people in the whole country who can actually speak it :laugh:

I think Irish (certainly in the Republic anyway) is much more popular(?) though. We still have towns and Islands around Ireland (not loads but a good few) that speak Irish as their first language and also it's a subject taught all the way through both primary and secondary school. Most Irish people have at least a basic knowledge of the Irish language

[Nicky91]

I think Irish (certainly in the Republic anyway) is much more popular(?) though. We still have towns and Islands around Ireland (not loads but a good few) that speak Irish as their first language and also it's a subject taught all the way through both primary and secondary school. Most Irish people have at least a basic knowledge of the Irish language

tell that to RTE when they basically ignore Irish language, never even used it once (not even back in the years of own language rule) at ESC

TG4 on the other hand, they love using it at Junior ESC


a little something i myself do know

[Niamh.]

tell that to RTE when they basically ignore Irish language, never even used it once (not even back in the years of own language rule) at ESC

TG4 on the other hand, they love using it at Junior ESC


a little something i myself do know

TG4 is an Irish speaking Channel though, RTE isn't :laugh:

[user104658]

there is a requirement in scotland that a certain proportion of the tv programs have to be in gaelic, and i think there are about 3 people in the whole country who can actually speak it :laugh:

You may not know as an ex-pat :laugh: but it's not really "a thing" any more like it was in yesteryear. Like, I think the proportion still exists but because the "digital transition" is complete now (so everyone has at least Freeview), BBC Alba/CBeebies Alba more than meets the required "quota" and all rest of it was shifted over there too. None of it airs on the "main" channels these days.

It's a shame, kids in 2021 will never know the confusion of turning on kids TV only to find them all speaking Simlish.

[user104658]

I think Irish (certainly in the Republic anyway) is much more popular(?) though. We still have towns and Islands around Ireland (not loads but a good few) that speak Irish as their first language and also it's a subject taught all the way through both primary and secondary school. Most Irish people have at least a basic knowledge of the Irish language

Yeah Scottish Gaelic is all but dead other than some very select parts of the highlands & islands - and even there, it's mostly "taught" for traditional reasons, rather than being spoken by families as a first language. There are still plenty of remnants scattered throughout Scottish-dialect English of course.

Ye Olde languages seem to have survived better in Ireland and Wales.

[Niamh.]

Yeah Scottish Gaelic is all but dead other than some very select parts of the highlands & islands - and even there, it's mostly "taught" for traditional reasons, rather than being spoken by families as a first language. There are still plenty of remnants scattered throughout Scottish-dialect English of course.

Ye Olde languages seem to have survived better in Ireland and Wales.

From what I've seen of Scottish gaelic, it seems very similar to Irish, so similar a person speaking Irish and a person speaking Scottish gaelic might actually understand eachother :laugh: Welsh is totally different though

[jet]

As an aside, it’s nothing to do with the people who vote for the DUP agreeing with some of their politician’s backward ideas either. I don’t know one DUP voter who does. Poots was one of the worst dinosaurs, so good riddance.

Many Protestants vote DUP to stop Sinn Fein becoming the dominant party, many Catholics vote for Sinn Fein to stop the DUP being dominant. It’s fear from both sides, a leftover from the Troubles.
The other parties are left behind now, like mine (the SDLP) Alliance and the Unionist Party. Being from a mixed marriage, I was a kid terrified that my Mum or Dad would be murdered by a Catholic OR a Protestant, cos being married to one of ‘them’ was enough to get you killed, especially as my Dad was in politics.
I think the DUP aren’t going to last much longer as a dominant party, they are a mess.

[The Slim Reaper]

For an anti-abortion party, they sure as hell don't like going full term, do they?

[Niamh.]

As an aside, it’s nothing to do with the people who vote for the DUP agreeing with some of their politician’s backward ideas either. I don’t know one DUP voter who does. Poots was one of the worst dinosaurs, so good riddance.

Many Protestants vote DUP to stop Sinn Fein becoming the dominant party, many Catholics vote for Sinn Fein to stop the DUP being dominant. It’s fear from both sides, a leftover from the Troubles.
The other parties are left behind now, like mine (the SDLP) Alliance and the Unionist Party. Being from a mixed marriage, I was a kid terrified that my Mum or Dad would be murdered by a Catholic OR a Protestant, cos being married to one of ‘them’ was enough to get you killed, especially as my Dad was in politics.
I think the DUP aren’t going to last much longer as a dominant party, they are a mess.

Yeah, it's those parties who have every citizens interests at heart that need to start thriving for progress to be made

[Niamh.]

For an anti-abortion party, they sure as hell don't like going full term, do they?

:laugh2:

[jet]

Yeah, it's those parties who have every citizens interests at heart that need to start thriving for progress to be made

Absolutely. :thumbs:

[Cherie]

As an aside, it’s nothing to do with the people who vote for the DUP agreeing with some of their politician’s backward ideas either. I don’t know one DUP voter who does. Poots was one of the worst dinosaurs, so good riddance.

Many Protestants vote DUP to stop Sinn Fein becoming the dominant party, many Catholics vote for Sinn Fein to stop the DUP being dominant. It’s fear from both sides, a leftover from the Troubles.
The other parties are left behind now, like mine (the SDLP) Alliance and the Unionist Party. Being from a mixed marriage, I was a kid terrified that my Mum or Dad would be murdered by a Catholic OR a Protestant, cos being married to one of ‘them’ was enough to get you killed, especially as my Dad was in politics.
I think the DUP aren’t going to last much longer as a dominant party, they are a mess.

Good summation of NI politics Jet

[arista]

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/22/12/44528871-9712461-image-a-9_1624361194471.jpg
[Jeffrey Donaldson becomes new leader of
the DUP and immediately warns Boris Johnson
to 'step up' efforts to end EU trade
row over Northern Ireland
saying 'It is not realistic to
expect 'stability' until 'flawed' protocol is removed]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9712461/DUPs-Edwin-Poots-claims-government-personal-assurance-win-EU-row-NI-border.html

[arista]

NewsnightHD BBC2
start.

The UK Gov like this New Leader
he wants, the EU to move on
or the UK extends the Grace Period


Newsnight reporter Nick Watt reporting
from Northern Ireland
he said the EU will go for Extension.


Then the Sausages can Cross the Sea.


Weds 30th of June is the final date Deadline
the UK Government must Fix this.

[joeysteele]

I've never liked Donaldson.

Mind you that's not saying much because I'll freely and happily admit I intensely dislike this political Party and therefore really don't care who leads it.

As I've not an ounce of respect for those in it.
So as to myself I do hold a biased and intolerant view of the DUP.

[arista]

Donaldson gave an Exclusive interview
on Trevor Phillips SkyNewsHD

He Demands Johnson takes away the Sea Border
but fails to give an Alternative?

[arista]

Today he is Losing control


Sinn Fein taking Control
to the horror of the DUP


The new Alliance Party has just Won 2 new seats



Live SkyNewsHD,BBCnewsHD, GBnewsHD

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/07/12/57519333-10792227-image-a-33_1651923372713.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/07/12/57521129-10792227-image-a-38_1651923618685.jpg


Yes, tell her to get the counting right
it must be bang on.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/05/06/23/57480811-10791321-The_republicans_are_forecast_to_overtake_the_Democ ratic_Unionist-a-70_1651875497373.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://eurofree3.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/ian-paisley.png?w=300&h=181

[arista]

The new Alliance Party
takes over the DUP's County Antrim


Was just Live on SkyNewsHD


https://news.sky.com/story/local-elections-live-news-labour-conservatives-boris-johnson-keir-starmer-politics-latest-12593360

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2022/northern-ireland/results

[arista]

Michelle O'Neill was just live



avoiding questions

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Awful

[arista]

Yes LT
The DUP refuse,
to work with Her.

So she can not form a Government in Northern Ireland

The New Alliance Party is less extreme,
but, need the other 2 to work in the Government

[arista]

Sinn Féin can not take Power,
the DUP do not agree.

This because of the EU - UK battle over
goods on Lorry's being checked too much.


Slim may have a comment on this ..............................

[bots]

in NI, the first minister and deputy first minister are roles of equal power, so they cant do anything without the deputy

[arista]

in NI, the first minister and deputy first minister are roles of equal power, so they cant do anything without the deputy



Yes I am sure Sinn Féin
would prefer an Alliance Party member as their Deputy

[arista]

BBC Text :
[A delegation of US congressmen is flying
to London amid concerns that tensions
over the protocol could put peace and
stability at risk, the Guardian reports.
It says the group is led by Richie Neal,
a committee chair who has
"significant power" over any future
UK and US trade deal,
who has warned it cannot progress
if there is "any jeopardy" to the
Good Friday Agreement.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/9F39/production/_124716704_guardian-nc.png

[arista]

A great point
on Sausages

Was on Weds night Newsnight BBC2HD

Sainsbury Brand Sausages are not sold in Ireland

So the EU is being Silly.

[arista]

Donaldson is Live

Holding up the Government.

SkyNewsHD/BBCnewsHD LIVE



He has a plan
But he ain't in power

[bots]

the NI protocol was the reason May didnt get a brexit deal, the difference being she was more honest about it. Its unworkable

[arista]

the NI protocol was the reason May didnt get a brexit deal, the difference being she was more honest about it. Its unworkable


Let the Americans sort it then

[arista]

The Sinn Féin Leader
now talking in the Stormont Parliament.

SkyNewsHD/BBCnewsHD LIVE


Fast talking
she demands a 3 year budget.

Can the DUP deny us that right ?


She stated

[arista]

DUP Paul Givan
is giving a reply

"We Do not Consent"

[arista]

The Sinn Féin Leader

is Live

She is Disappointed for the Public


She will work with other Parties?


She will see Johnson PM on Monday
when he arrives.


Should she tells everyone
Our PM is arriving?
Is that not a Security Problem

[arista]

Ch5HDnews

In a Northern Ireland Pub in Belfast
Local Apathy

University Professor
said Hospitals are having serious trouble
with No Government.

[bots]

i don't know what the americans think they can achieve, they are already seen as biased

[arista]

Sinn Féin Mary Lou McDonald
just said Johnson Prime Minister
on Monday, can not play games.

Public Hospital is needed urgently.


She was Just on SkyNewsHD
in Belfast

[Niamh.]

Love Mary Lou, hopefully she'll be our Taoiseach in the future

[arista]

Love Mary Lou, hopefully she'll be our Taoiseach in the future


She meets the Prime Minister Johnson
Eye to Eye
today

[arista]

Let's change the Protocol
Not scrap it.

PM Johnson has said on today's Belfast Telegraph

[arista]

The Prime Minister
has arrived and was driven in fast
several Range Rovers
round the back of Stormont,

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Stormont_Parliamentary_Building_01.JPG/440px-Stormont_Parliamentary_Building_01.JPG

Shown on ITV1HD News Live in Belfast.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FS4lXARXEAYxd88?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

Sinn Féin Mary Lou McDonald
is not happy with Johnson PM.

Live all media

[The Slim Reaper]

Let's change the Protocol
Not scrap it.

PM Johnson has said on today's Belfast Telegraph

Oven. Ready. Deal.

[arista]

Oven. Ready. Deal.

Yes Except
Northern Ireland.

Up to date

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FS4nZw5XEAACS15?format=jpg&name=900x900



She (Sinn Féin Mary Lou McDonald )
is so Anti the DUP.


Saying it is just the DUP
holding it all to ransom.

[bots]

it's an interesting dilemma for the uk government for sure. The election win was basically a vote in favour of the NI protocol, so thats what the majority of the people want. They don't want it being scrapped, so the UK will have to take account of that rather than the rabid mutterings of the DUP

[arista]

Jeffrey Donaldson DUP Leader now Live

Blaming the EU

[arista]

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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/C0AF/production/_124772394_pmandmcdonald.jpg

[arista]

Liz Truss Live in Parliament on 3 News channels

Setting new Real Time changes.

[arista]

The Labour MP Doughty
now moaning

[arista]

DUP Leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson


Is now talking in our Parliament

Live SkyNewsHD
Also Live on the Parliament Channel (On VirginHD)
it is in HD

[arista]

She keeps stating
the changes are in Due Course

[arista]

Live Now on SkyNewsHD

[arista]

SkyNewsHD
Stormont
Sir Jeffrey Donaldson
his statement
about his rejecting the Government Election
to be announced today



Concerned about the Protocol
and not wanting a joint authority

Live also on GBNewsHD

[arista]

Stormont Parliament now live on all 3 News Channels

[joeysteele]

The (UN)Democratic Unionist Party just can't take they fell to 2nd in the last Assembly elections.
Michelle O' Neill talked loads of basic common sense.

[arista]

The (UN)Democratic Unionist Party just can't take they fell to 2nd in the last Assembly elections.
Michelle O' Neill talked loads of basic common sense.


Possible another Election on Dec 15th
talked about

[joeysteele]

Possible another Election on Dec 15th
talked about

If there is I really hope more voters will move away from the DUP.

[arista]

If they do Not Select a Leader by Midnight

Then possible Dec 15th?

[arista]

From BBC :Link

What happens if midnight's deadline is missed?

[If political deadlock cannot be broken before
00:01 on Friday, Northern Ireland's secretary of state
must call an election "as soon as is practicable" - to be
held within 12 weeks.

Chris Heaton-Harris, who has been in office since
6 September, has consistently said he will call one,
rather than try to delay it or avoid it with
fresh legislation at Westminster.

So, as of midnight, Stormont's caretaker
ministers will be removed from office and
senior civil servants will be in charge.

The assembly - which has been meeting
only for special recalls since May's
election - would also be dissolved.

A pre-Christmas election would partly fill
the void, but there is a risk it could make
things worse rather than better.

Positions could harden during campaigning
and, if there was a very low turnout,
the validity of the result could be questioned.

As the DUP has said it will continue its
protest against the NI Protocol,
the election is unlikely in itself to break the stalemate.

So Northern Ireland could be set for further
cycles of negotiations, up to 24 weeks,
and future elections, until a resolution
is found or the law is changed.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-63403379

[joeysteele]

The DUP are an absolute nightmare in N Ireland.
I really hope they lose more representation in an election


Jeffrey Donaldson is an impossible bigot to do any dealing with.

[arista]

[NI Assembly election to be called but no date set

NI Secretary Chris Heaton-Harris MP
says he will give more information next week.]

[joeysteele]

[NI Assembly election to be called but no date set

NI Secretary Chris Heaton-Harris MP
says he will give more information next week.]

Well that's stupid.
Just adding to the uncertainty of the date.

He's known this was coming.
He's had more than enough time to set the date.

He's one of the few Cabinet Ministers left in place.
Why is near everything with this government, no matter who leads it, more about procrastination than firm decision making.

Ridiculous.

[arista]

Yes taking it slow,
as if he can unite them?


But yes Joey
nothing has changed.

[joeysteele]

Yes taking it slow,
as if he can unite them?


But yes Joey
nothing has changed.


You may not agree with me here.

However in my view it's time the UK government stopped only considering the extreme DUP and running after them.

While only irritating more, as well as N Irish voters, also annoying Sinn Fein and the Alliance Parties.

[jet]

You may not agree with me here.

However in my view it's time the UK government stopped only considering the extreme DUP and running after them.

While only irritating more, as well as N Irish voters, also annoying Sinn Fein and the Alliance Parties.

Sinn Fein are no better. Do you forget that they refused to sit in Stormont for 3 years, 2017 - 2020 and refuse to this day to take their seats at Westminster.

Michelle O’Neill, the Sinn Fein leader, attended a massive IRA funeral DURING LOCKDOWN, despite her own law leading to thousands of people not attending their families and friends’ funerals…and she refused to apologise. I know that is something you would never forgive from your postings regarding Boris Johnson.

The best party we ever had here was the SDLP, but the great days of a leader like John Hume are long gone.

[arista]

You may not agree with me here.

However in my view it's time the UK government stopped only considering the extreme DUP and running after them.

While only irritating more, as well as N Irish voters, also annoying Sinn Fein and the Alliance Parties.



Yes, but the DUP are old mates
of the Conservatives.


So we are Stuck in this position

[joeysteele]

Yes, but the DUP are old mates
of the Conservatives.


So we are Stuck in this position

Therein lies the bigger problem.
This government has run after the extreme DUP this last few years.

Largely dismissing the concerns of Sinn Fein and also now the Alliance party who are both in dismay at the current state of affairs.
After the pandemic and the growing issues plus now the cost of living crisis.
Following the May elections one wonders why the DUP dared ask for voters votes.
Wasting the voters time.

Of course they fell to 2nd which may be more the reason for the current mess there.

Also to jet.
It saddens me strongly that Sinn Fein don't take their Westminster seats.
As they too would be likely votes against this shambles of a government in place now.

HOWEVER,
I understand why they don't.
I think it both hypocritical and wrong that ALL MPs once elected HAVE to swear an oath to the Monarch and its heirs just to be able to take the seats at Westminster.

The only oath should be after election BY the people, to swear allegiance to the service of their constituents and constituencies.

It's ridiiculous because the ONE place in the UK the Monarch is NOT and never allowed to just enter or have anything to do with the proceedings of is the House of Commons.
Not allowed to even enter the Commons.

So why those who object to swearing an oath to the Monarch should be barred from taking their seats is an insult to the voters who elected them.
Elected them knowing they won't take their seats for the reason stated.
There should be an alternative oath.
Although I'd scrap the oath to the Monarch and its heirs for ALL MPs.
To me it's not appropriate for the direct elections to the commons.
An OATH only to the people far more appropriate.
In my view.

[jet]

Therein lies the bigger problem.
This government has run after the extreme DUP this last few years.

Largely dismissing the concerns of Sinn Fein and also now the Alliance party who are both in dismay at the current state of affairs.
After the pandemic and the growing issues plus now the cost of living crisis.
Following the May elections one wonders why the DUP dared ask for voters votes.
Wasting the voters time.

Of course they fell to 2nd which may be more the reason for the current mess there.

Also to jet.
It saddens me strongly that Sinn Fein don't take their Westminster seats.
As they too would be likely votes against this shambles of a government in place now.

HOWEVER,
I understand why they don't.
I think it both hypocritical and wrong that ALL MPs once elected HAVE to swear an oath to the Monarch and its heirs just to be able to take the seats at Westminster.

The only oath should be after election BY the people, to swear allegiance to the service of their constituents and constituencies.

It's ridiiculous because the ONE place in the UK the Monarch is NOT and never allowed to just enter or have anything to do with the proceedings of is the House of Commons.
Not allowed to even enter the Commons.

So why those who object to swearing an oath to the Monarch should be barred from taking their seats is an insult to the voters who elected them.
Elected them knowing they won't take their seats for the reason stated.
There should be an alternative oath.
Although I'd scrap the oath to the Monarch and its heirs for ALL MPs.
To me it's not appropriate for the direct elections to the commons.
An OATH only to the people far more appropriate.
In my view.

I don't think allegiance to the Monarch should be scrapped. I think those that want to do so should have the choice, and if you don't, you can still sit.

On the other subject I mentioned, it is very hypocritical of Sinn Fein to be all over the news blasting the DUP for not sitting at Stormont due to their concerns when they themselves refused to sit for 3 years because of concerns they had at the time.

N. Ireland politics is in a mess, like in the rest of the UK. :bawling:

[joeysteele]

I don't think allegiance to the Monarch should be scrapped. I think those that want to do so have the choice, and if you don't, you can still sit.

On the other subject I mentioned, it is very hypocritical of Sinn Fein to be all over the news blasting the DUP for not sitting at Stormont due to their concerns when they themselves refused to sit for 3 years because of concerns they had at the time.

N. Ireland politics is in a mess, like in the rest of the UK. :bawling:

I answered your other point when I said largely the government has dismissed Sinn Fein's concerns over the last few years.
More in favour of the DUP., so the point was answered.

Plus in parliament.
No MP can take up their elected seats there until they have sworn an oath of allegiance to the Monarch and its heirs.
That is why Sinn Fein won't take their seats.

I repeat the House of Commons should not have to swear allegiance to the Monarch.

It's fine for the House of Lords but not for the elected by the people MPs to Westminster in the House of Commons.
Which hypocritically the Monarch us barred from.

[jet]

I answered your other point when I said largely the government has dismissed Sinn Fein's concerns over the last few years.
More in favour of the DUP., so the point was answered.

Plus in parliament.
No MP can take up their elected seats there until they have sworn an oath of allegiance to the Monarch and its heirs.
That is why Sinn Fein won't take their seats.



I know that, and as I said they should be allowed to sit without showing allegiance - it should be a choice whether you want to or not, imo.

But that is a different matter from Sinn Fein blasting the DUP for not currently taking their seats at Stormont due to their concerns when Sinn Fein also didn't take their seats at Stormont for 3 years 2017 - 2020 due to their concerns. It's hypocritical.
I'm not sure you are getting my point on this? :conf:

[bots]

the point is they are playing games, and like the political parties here, they are more concerned about their own political ambitions than looking after the people

[joeysteele]

I don't think allegiance to the Monarch should be scrapped. I think those that want to do so have the choice, and if you don't, you can still sit.

On the other subject I mentioned, it is very hypocritical of Sinn Fein to be all over the news blasting the DUP for not sitting at Stormont due to their concerns when they themselves refused to sit for 3 years because of concerns they had at the time.

N. Ireland politics is in a mess, like in the rest of the UK. :bawling:

Your first paragraph above says they have a choice to take the oath and if they don't they can still sit.

In Westminster they cannot sit if they won't take the oath to the Monarch.
If MPs don't take the oath in the Commons.
They can't sit, take part in debates or vote.
That's the law.

[joeysteele]

the point is they are playing games, and like the political parties here, they are more concerned about their own political ambitions than looking after the people

Very sadly that's true of politics and politicians across the UK bots.
I agree.

I'd start everything all over again if I had my way.
Much more accountability if it's now near impossible to have integrity.

[jet]

Your first paragraph above says they have a choice to take the oath and if they don't they can still sit.

In Westminster they cannot sit if they won't take the oath to the Monarch.
If MPs don't take the oath in the Commons.
They can't sit, take part in debates or vote.
That's the law.

Sorry, my mistake, I meant to say SHOULD have a choice, I'll edit.

[joeysteele]

Sorry, my mistake, I meant to say SHOULD have a choice, I'll edit.

Thank you.
Now I agree.

Personally though I'd still remove the oath to the Monarch in the Commons myself.
No one elected by the people in a democratic election should have any barriers to them taking their seat other than certain types of criminality.

[arista]

[Stormont election will not be held in December,
Northern Ireland secretary says

The cabinet minister says he has listened
to "sincere concerns" across the region
about the impact and cost of a fresh poll at the current]


https://news.sky.com/story/assembly-election-in-northern-ireland-will-not-be-held-in-december-secretary-of-state-says-12737899



Meanwhile, Sinn Féin
are going live in Dublin at midday.

[joeysteele]

[Stormont election will not be held in December,
Northern Ireland secretary says

The cabinet minister says he has listened
to "sincere concerns" across the region
about the impact and cost of a fresh poll at the current]


https://news.sky.com/story/assembly-election-in-northern-ireland-will-not-be-held-in-december-secretary-of-state-says-12737899



Meanwhile, Sinn Féin
are going live in Dublin at midday.



Really, in other words more procrastination rather than a firm decision and sticking to the rules already in place.

Nothings changed under Sunak on that then.

[arista]

Live in Northern Ireland
But DUP wants to see the full text.


Some Progress made Sunak PM
who has been there all morning


A few hours back, Sinn Féin
were pleased Rishi Sunak PM arrived

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-deal-very-much-game-on-after-rishi-sunak-holds-talks-with-northern-ireland-parties-12813105

[bots]

i would be very surprised if Sunak get the new deal over the line with everyone onboard

[arista]

i would be very surprised if Sunak get the new deal over the line with everyone onboard

Flying back to London

Yes, he is next to go to Brussels/Munich
for the weekend.


He is making the Effort

[arista]

Jeffrey Donaldson

has his
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Tests to be passed
the bugger


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[arista]

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Stick it to them, Rishi

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

BBC Claims

[NI Protocol: UK and EU appear to be on brink of new Brexit deal]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64765375

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

The EU Commission President
is meeting PM Sunak tomorrow
in the UK
Monday 27th.


SkyNewsHD Live

[bots]

there is obviously no agreement yet, and they are busy trying to pressure the hold outs into accepting. I will believe it when i see it.

[arista]

there is obviously no agreement yet, and they are busy trying to pressure the hold outs into accepting. I will believe it when i see it.


Of Course

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen.
Will now meet the King,
later today.

[arista]

House of Commons
6:30PM today PM Sunak Statement

SkyNewsHD Live

[arista]

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[arista]

Now all Media is reporting
the Deal is Done

[bots]

there was also a deal done a few years ago, lets see if it works in practice :laugh:

[arista]

there was also a deal done a few years ago, lets see if it works in practice :laugh:


Yes we await
the DUP
7 Tests
result.


The Press are back at Westminster Green
thanks GBnewsHD
showing that live


Skynews and BBCnews stuck at Windsor


Tonight 8PM
Jacob starts his Live show 8PM GBnewsHD
going against 8PM Piers Morgan Talk TV HD

[arista]

Brexit Deal News Conference

3:30PM

SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD
GBnewsHD
CNN HD
LBC
Times Radio
Radio 5

[arista]

Live Now


PM Sunak talking first.

[Cherie]

there was also a deal done a few years ago, lets see if it works in practice :laugh:

I think its likely to be more workable as it was very clear what wasn’t eorking

[arista]

European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen


Now Speaking.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Protocol deal 'allows us to begin a new chapter' - von der Leyen
Ursula von der Leyen, the President of the European Commission, said that today's deal on improving the Northern Ireland Protocol will "allow us to begin a new chapter".

She said the so-called "Windsor Framework" sets out "long-lasting solutions" to post-Brexit border problems.

[MTVN]

Rishi has done well on this

[arista]

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Taking Press Questions

BBC asks about if the DUP do not want this deal?


PM Sunak said he will give them time

Ursula says she hopes the Green & Red lanes work


RTE asks about the Land Borders?

[arista]

Rishi has done well on this


Seems to have.


He will take this to Parliament
around 6:30PM

[arista]

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[arista]

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Windsor

[arista]

Express Paper asks her
how can Rishi Sunak do this
and the other 3 PM's could not


Ursula told the press lady:

her and Rishi
have alot in common

[bots]

i'm more than a little sceptical that it makes any practical difference. They are trying to obfuscate by using different terms

[arista]

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The Live Event has ended


Sunak put in "Illegal Migration"

As a new agreement with the EU

[Crimson Dynamo]

Express Paper asks her
how can Rishi Sunak do this
and the other 3 PM's could not


Ursula told the press lady:

her and Rishi
have alot in common

both stinking rich and corrupt?

[arista]

both stinking rich and corrupt?

Not so Corrupt.


But at least it is a better deal.


Next Sinn Féin
are to talk at Stormont

GBnewsHD reported

[arista]

No Vote in Parliament tonight
that is due later on.

Westminster Live

GBnewsHD

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ursala personally takes the deal to the DUP to see what they think...

qEsFtiruIok

[arista]

Fantastic Clip LT

[arista]

PM Sunak now in Westminster

Ready for Parliament 6:30PM Live

[arista]

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[arista]

Live In Parliament Now

PM Sunak
is giving is Statement

Northern Ireland



SkyNewsHD
GBnewsHD
BBCnewsHD
Times Radio
LBC
Radio 5
BBC ParliamentHD

[arista]

Starmer giving his reply.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

the spin they are putting on this is just insane

[arista]

Sunak now back in Northern Ireland

Lisbum, Northern Ireland
Coca Cola, Factory.


All 3 News Ch.

[arista]

Taking Press questions

Sunak is so positive
he is ignoring the DUP anger.



Some have stated
in the press that the DUP
will not back this
as they do not want Sinn Féin
being in power

Meaning they await the May local Elections

[arista]

Even though the DUP is Against
the new PM Sunak Windsor Framework.

When it is Voted in Parliament
soon, it will Fly through.


So the PM went into the 1924 Committee Room
Getting Fantastic Backing.


The DUP want to wait for the May Elections
they think they can win more?????

Great Live Reports
Ch4HDnews.

[arista]

Sir Jeffrey Donaldson
Interviewed today by Ch4HDnews

Said he is not a Dancer
He is a Warrior.


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