Noel Clarke is suspended by Bafta after 20 women accused him of sexual harassment

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/29/21/42384438-9526951-image-a-67_1619726708218.jpg

This is not good
he just got an award


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9526951/Noel-Clarke-suspended-Bafta-20-women-accused-sexual-harassment-groping-bulling.html

[Award-winning British director Noel Clarke
is suspended by Bafta after 20 women accused
him of sexual harassment, groping and bullying
Academy also suspended his outstanding
British contribution to cinema award
The allegations of misconduct were levelled
against Clarke in The Guardian
Director vehemently denied all the allegations
in a statement to the newspaper
He made first TV appearance over 20 years ago
and co-founded production firm]


https://news.sky.com/story/noel-clarkes-bafta-award-and-membership-suspended-after-allegations-12290759


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[bots]

Innocent until proven otherwise, is all i will say

[Oliver_W]

Disappointing, I really like him.

[Ammi]

...I read this yesterday, I’m not familiar with him as an actor....I’ll follow the story but it doesn’t look great with 20 accusations...

[bots]

...I read this yesterday, I’m not familiar with him as an actor....I’ll follow the story but it doesn’t look great with 20 accusations...

he was in Dr Who during the Rose Tyler era, that's what I know him from. I feel there is way to much judgement going on these days before it goes through the legal process. It's turning to a situation where someone is guilty until proven innocent which I'm not comfortable with at all. Maybe the guy is a complete arse ... i don't know, but would prefer the courts decide it rather than media

[arista]

Innocent until proven otherwise, is all i will say


Yes loads are anonymous
is this a real case?
Or is the Guardian making a mess of this?

[arista]

...I read this yesterday, I’m not familiar with him as an actor....I’ll follow the story but it doesn’t look great with 20 accusations...


He is every night at 9PM
on the thriller "Viewpoint" ITV1HD


https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375094

[arista]

Disappointing, I really like him.



Is this a real case?
It's not that clear.

[Oliver_W]

Is this a real case?
It's not that clear.

Hard to say - it's not just "a" case, but twenty...

I can't read the Mail article because I'm not disabling AdBlock for them lol, so I'll wait for more details.

[Toy Soldier]

You mean that time he bumped into me in London West End he was actually trying to cop a feel? :worry:

[arista]

His Recent Bafta Award has been Suspended

[arista]

Hard to say - it's not just "a" case, but twenty...

I can't read the Mail article because I'm not disabling AdBlock for them lol, so I'll wait for more details.


But
many are anonymous?


Another link - no ads
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56937479

[Niamh.]

...I read this yesterday, I’m not familiar with him as an actor....I’ll follow the story but it doesn’t look great with 20 accusations...

Don't recognise him either

[Oliver_W]

Even with Doctor Who put aside I'm surprised by how little he's known. To be fair though I'm quite into "indie" and smaller creator stuff, and he's been a big contributor toward that kind of thing.

[Marsh.]

Innocent until proven otherwise, is all i will say

20 different women are unlikely to all be liars.

[Marsh.]

But
many are anonymous?


Another link - no ads
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56937479

And many are not arista.

[arista]

[Bafta has suspended award-winning British director
Noel Clarke's membership after 20 women accused him
of sexual harassment, groping and
bullying between 2004 and 2019 as a lewd video of the
star emerged using a microphone as a phallus
on stage during a Doctor Who event.
The academy said in a statement it had also
suspended his outstanding British contribution
to cinema award, which he was handed earlier
this month at the Royal Albert Hall, until further notice.

The actor and director, 45, who is married to former
make-up artist Iris Da Silva with three children]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9526951/Noel-Clarke-suspended-Bafta-20-women-accused-sexual-harassment-groping-bulling.html

[Oliver_W]

a lewd video of the
star emerged using a microphone as a phallus
on stage during a Doctor Who event.


Are they referring to the time he was describing how John Barrowman kept whipping his todge out on the set of Doctor Who?

[arista]

Are they referring to the time he was describing how John Barrowman kept whipping his todge out on the set of Doctor Who?



He gets out of his chair
then his dancing body close to a
actress seated

[arista]

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[arista]

[Jahannah James recalls Clarke had talked
her into auditioning for the role.
She had been hesitant.
She was only 23 and fresh out of drama school.
But Clarke persuaded her, explaining that
the naked audition wouldn’t
be filmed; an email from her agent confirmed this agreement.
“I was told 100% it was not going
to be on camera,” James says. As she understood it,
the naked audition was purely to check she
could do the scene and wasn’t going to “bottle it” on the day.

The audition was mortifying, James recalls,
and afterwards she pulled out of the running for the role;
she didn’t want one of her first acting
jobs to be nude.
The Guardian spoke to two friends of
Powell and James who were also present
in the pub that day and recalled
the emotional exchange. “I was so upset,”
James recalls. “Now, years later, I still cry when I talk about it.”

Clarke denies ever covertly filming naked auditions
or sharing such footage with Powell.
A casting director who was present
at James’s audition said there
was “absolutely no way” Clarke would have
covertly filmed it, even without her knowledge.
“He’s always been a good guy,” she said.]


https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/apr/29/actor-noel-clarke-accused-of-groping-harassment-and-bullying-by-20-women

[Shaun]

Always thought he was arrogant and his 'talents' were vastly overrated (like, the Kidulthood movies are good, but not great), so I can't say I'd be too upset if these allegations are indeed true.

[arista]

Always thought he was arrogant and his 'talents' were vastly overrated (like, the Kidulthood movies are good, but not great), so I can't say I'd be too upset if these allegations are indeed true.


Kick him
while he is down.............

[arista]

Its getting Worse

Comcast/NBC who own SkyTV UK
have stated they will no longer use him in their Productions.


He was due to work on Bullet Proof, another series for Sky


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[Crimson Dynamo]

never heard of him

[arista]

never heard of him


Again on tonight the Final episode
all week 9PM ITV1HD

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375094


They better not pull the final episode
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/viewpoint-fans-demand-finale-axed-24012171
[Viewpoint explored the story where
DC Martin Young (Noel Clarke) sets up a secret
viewpoint to watch a man who is under
suspicion for being involved in the disappearance
of his missing school teacher girlfriend.
Four of the five-part drama have aired every night this week.]

[Shaun]

Kick him
while he is down.............

/ have an opinion on an actor/director

[Crimson Dynamo]

the laundering of aspiration into consent...

There is an obvious explanation for Bafta’s determination to give Clarke this specific award at this specific moment in time: he is a useful case study. A young black man of humble origins who makes a space for himself in a predominantly white, middle-class industry, becoming a writer, director and leading man through sheer determination and persistence? That’s a pat on the back for all of us; reassuring proof that things aren’t so bad.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/baftas-baffling-decision-honor-noel-clarke-biggest-blunder-yet/

[arista]

/ have an opinion on an actor/director



Yes with The Guardian Team
attacking him,
I assume he goes Front Page many others, tomorrow


I want Noel to make a Public Statement
talk to other Journalists Live


As long as ITV do not pull the Final episode tonight
of 9PM Viewpoint, (Thriller)
as I have recorded them all
First episode was great
https://pbs.twimg.com/semantic_core_img/1388086496335339522/-tEChFaE?format=jpg&name=small

[bots]

Sky TV has "halted" its work with actor Noel Clarke after allegations of sexual harassment were made against him by a number of women.

Clarke has starred in Sky's crime drama Bulletproof, which had a fourth series commissioned in January.

"Effective immediately, we have halted Noel Clarke's involvement in any future Sky productions," the broadcaster said.

The Kidulthood and Doctor Who star, 45, has said he "vehemently" denies "any sexual misconduct or wrongdoing".

In a statement on Thursday, he said he intended to "defend myself against these false allegations".

The Guardian newspaper reported allegations from 20 women, all of whom knew Clarke in a professional capacity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56940444

[arista]

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[arista]

Top Actor Ashley Waters knows him well
He has co-starred with him
in many projects.

[arista]

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[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/noel-clarke-itv-will-not-air-final-episode-of-drama-viewpoint-following-sexual-harassment-allegations-against-actor-12291435

Terrible News
the Final of Viewpoint was at 9PM tonight ITV1HD
as he plays a Cop. [Surveillance Detective]
Other Great Actors are in it.

ITV the buggers
have said they will not show it.

[arista]

[Noel Clarke: Co-star Ashley Walters 'deeply saddened'
by harassment claims but
'cannot stand by and ignore allegations']

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-halts-noel-clarkes-involvement-in-any-future-productions-following-sexual-harassment-claims-12291076

[Marsh.]

Ashley Walters has his own murky history.

[arista]

Ashley Walters has his own murky history.


Of course
but he does not have Guardian
chasing him.

[bots]

https://news.sky.com/story/noel-clarke-itv-will-not-air-final-episode-of-drama-viewpoint-following-sexual-harassment-allegations-against-actor-12291435

Terrible News
the Final of Viewpoint was at 9PM tonight ITV1HD
as he plays a Cop. [Surveillance Detective]
Other Great Actors are in it.

ITV the buggers
have said they will not show it.

ITV added it would make the finale available on ITV Hub on Friday night for a limited time "for any viewers who wish to seek it out, and watch its conclusion".

[Cherie]

I thought I didn't know him, but we have been watching View point

[Oliver_W]

It's a shame the last episode ain't being shown, it's good. Plenty of reruns have "problematic" people.

I normally assume anything with Noel Clarke in is something he's written and/or directed, he's that kind of guy, so I was surprised that he wasn't involved in its creation. But that just means all the hard work everyone involved in the show is being thrown away...

[Vicky.]

It's a shame the last episode ain't being shown, it's good. Plenty of reruns have "problematic" people.


Tbh most show/films/whatever in general have 'problematic people' to some degree. Kinda depends where the line is drawn. If we outlaw all older stuff that has not savoury characters in it, there would be a quite thin list left really.

[Marsh.]

Tbf this is an ongoing investigation so it makes sense people want to step back for the time being until those investigations are concluded. I doubt they're blanket banning all of his stuff, it's just for now whilst it's all just come out ITV etc don't want to be pulled into any association.

[bots]

Organisations who stand up for a safe working environment with all that includes really don't have a choice but to act when something like this crops up.

[arista]

ITV added it would make the finale available on ITV Hub on Friday night for a limited time "for any viewers who wish to seek it out, and watch its conclusion".


Thank You.

[GoldHeart]

...I read this yesterday, I’m not familiar with him as an actor....I’ll follow the story but it doesn’t look great with 20 accusations...

I'm shocked and disappointed, 20 accusations doesn't look good. I always liked him.

I keep wondering so many things, what did he say and do.

I always use to think he seemed like a nice guy in interviews . I don't think it's fair to not televise the last episode of viewpoint. I was actually going to watch it back to back on catch-up so I guess there's always that.

Sounds like alot of work went into Covid safety when filming aswell. People who work with him always seem to get on with him , very weird .

[arista]

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Noel is going to get help...............

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

[ Actor, 45, said he is 'deeply sorry' and will
'seek professional help to educate myself and
change for the better'
Bafta suspended him and his outstanding
British contribution to cinema award after
allegations in Guardian
But film academy was reportedly aware
of allegations shortly after announcing
intention to give him award
20 women have accused him of abuse,
some of it could be criminal,
but Scotland Yard is not aware of them
Clarke, who was given award
earlier this month, said
he 'vehemently' denies allegations of sexual misconduct
His mother Gemma Clarke
said: 'I am proud of him and I'm still proud of him
but I don't know what's going on'
Sky cancels filming of Bulletproof show
over claims - as ITV bows to pressure and
axes tonight's Viewpoint]




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[Actress and producer Philippa Crabb, (Aged 30)
who is also one of the 20 alleged victims
named by The Guardian, shared an Instagram
story posted by her relative
of the newspaper's front page.

The original post read: 'Finally. Waited six years
for this day', to which Philippa
responded: 'Literally. Sorry if I haven't
replied to you - my inbox is bursting with
messages of support and it's all pretty
overwhelming, but I appreciate you all SO much.']


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9529669/Its-racist-witch-hunt-Actress-friend-Noel-Clarke-claims-hes-unfairly-vilified.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK

[Marsh.]

"Deeply sorry and will seek professional help" for things he continues to deny doing.

Hmm, something's telling me that's a phoney apology.

[GoldHeart]

"Deeply sorry and will seek professional help" for things he continues to deny doing.

Hmm, something's telling me that's a phoney apology.

Yeah I was reading through it .

That's the weird thing, yet he's denying it at the same time:conf: :huh: .

[bots]

he will have been told by friends and advisors to apologise and save his career and he will have been told by his lawyer to deny everything and thats why that statement was released

[GoldHeart]

he will have been told by friends and advisors to apologise and save his career and he will have been told by his lawyer to deny everything and thats why that statement was released

He's denying any 'sexual misconduct' , but nothing about the bullying allegations , so I don't know what to make of it all. But it does not look good.

Him apologising sounds like he knows he's offended people so he must be admitting it's partly true . And the whole 'save career' angle ship has sailed , ITV and Sky are already stepping away from him.

It annoys me about the tv series viewpoint, they should just show the last episode as clearly work has gone into it ,and what about the other actors involved in the show its not fair on them.

[arista]

I watched the Final Episode 5
on ITV HUB.

'Viewpoint' features him
but also other top actors.

Episode 5 is Great
worth watching.

[arista]

Metropolitan Police are investigating a report
from a 3rd party.
But they have confirmed they are assessing the report
No Official Investigation yet


Ref: Ch4HDnews.

[jet]

I'd never seen him in anything before Viewpoint, didn't think much of his acting in it, he was boring, and won't really miss the last episode. :shrug:

[arista]

I'd never seen him in anything before Viewpoint, didn't think much of his acting in it, he was boring, and won't really miss the last episode. :shrug:


Last episode is on ITV Hub.
for anyone to watch
But after Sunday its gone.


Viewpoint
had other good actors as well.

[GoldHeart]

I haven't watched any of viewpoint , and if the last episode is disappearing from the hub then I probably won't get to watch any of it :shrug: .

[bots]

it will appear on other streaming platforms soon enough

[Ashley.]

Another tool who thought they were too much of a celebrity to be held accountable for their actions. It's a new one every month.

Also - someone ought to tell him that saying he will change whilst continuing to deny the claims is far from 'taking responsibility'...

[Marsh.]

I haven't watched any of viewpoint , and if the last episode is disappearing from the hub then I probably won't get to watch any of it :shrug: .

You're not missing anything.

[Cherie]

I haven't watched any of viewpoint , and if the last episode is disappearing from the hub then I probably won't get to watch any of it :shrug: .

It started off well, it didnr need 5 eps in my view was very dragged out, and it was kinda obvious who killed Gemma in the end in my view ...I wasn’t shocked Arista!

[arista]

It started off well, it didnr need 5 eps in my view was very dragged out, and it was kinda obvious who killed Gemma in the end in my view ...I wasn’t shocked Arista!


Yes I can see what you mean, now.
The Last Episode is needed.

[arista]

[Actress reveals she did call the police after Noel Clarke
'secretly filmed her naked during audition' but was
told they 'could Not investigate unless he
threatened her with the footage' in answer to social media critics]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9534805/Actress-claims-police-not-investigate-Noel-Clarke-unless-threatened-footage.html

[arista]

[The BBC became the latest broadcaster to distance
itself from the controversial star,
with a spokesman
saying: 'We will not be progressing any projects with Noel Clarke at this time.']

That Leaves him
Ch5HD (Viacom owned)
Netflix
Amazon Prime.

[Tom4784]

How I despise people who are only 'sorry' when it comes to facing the consequences of their actions.

[Toy Soldier]

Where are the usual “Boo hoo cancel culture innocent until proven guilty in a court of law crowd”? This is very mysterious.

[Cherie]

Where are the usual “Boo hoo cancel culture innocent until proven guilty in a court of law crowd”? This is very mysterious.

He hasn’t denied it? He says he didn’t realise his behaviour was affecting anyone

[Tom4784]

Where are the usual “Boo hoo cancel culture innocent until proven guilty in a court of law crowd”? This is very mysterious.

I wonder what makes Noel Clarke different to those others? Hmm.

[Toy Soldier]

He hasn’t denied it? He says he didn’t realise his behaviour was affecting anyone


That’ll be it I’m sure.

[bots]

Where are the usual “Boo hoo cancel culture innocent until proven guilty in a court of law crowd”? This is very mysterious.


Innocent until proven otherwise, is all i will say

he was in Dr Who during the Rose Tyler era, that's what I know him from. I feel there is way to much judgement going on these days before it goes through the legal process. It's turning to a situation where someone is guilty until proven innocent which I'm not comfortable with at all. Maybe the guy is a complete arse ... i don't know, but would prefer the courts decide it rather than media

:laugh:

[Cherie]

That’ll be it I’m sure.

Oh is this another race thing? when it’s more about most have no clue who he is :bored:

[Marsh.]

He hasn’t denied it? He says he didn’t realise his behaviour was affecting anyone

Yes he has denied it. The only thing he's owning up to is a few inappropriate comments.

[Zizu]

Yes he has denied it. The only thing he's owning up to is a few inappropriate comments.



But he’s also said that he will now seek professional help !?!

That kinda sounds like he’s admitting to more than a just a few inappropriate comments


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[bots]

his statement was done with the intention of protecting him legally from 20+ people who need to prove his guilt in court rather than in the media. The rest of it is to make it look like he gives a damn, but the optics of it all are dreadful

[Marsh.]

But he’s also said that he will now seek professional help !?!

That kinda sounds like he’s admitting to more than a just a few inappropriate comments


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Yep, he's contradicting himself. But in terms of his stance on the accusations he's still maintaining denial of the vast majority of it.

[GoldHeart]

It started off well, it didnr need 5 eps in my view was very dragged out, and it was kinda obvious who killed Gemma in the end in my view ...I wasn’t shocked Arista!

I've no idea who 'Gemma' is , I didn't watch any of it . But I would of liked the option of it all being available as I was curious about the show. So it's unfair how they've stopped people having access to the last episode.

sky & ITV want to say they're stepping away from a possible bully & pervert,but there's no consistency with these things :bored: .

[Zizu]

I've no idea who 'Gemma' is , I didn't watch any of it . But I would of liked the option of it all being available as I was curious about the show. So it's unfair how they've stopped people having access to the last episode.



sky & ITV want to say they're stepping away from a possible bully & pervert,but there's no consistency with these things :bored: .



My wife is watching the last episode.. episode 5 as we speak so I’m not sure what the issue is .


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[GoldHeart]

My wife is watching the last episode.. episode 5 as we speak so I’m not sure what the issue is .


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Apparently after Sunday the episode is gone

[Zizu]

Apparently after Sunday the episode is gone



Ah ..


Even if recorded / downloaded ?


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[Toy Soldier]

Cancelling shows in hindsight is ****ing daft to be honest. Is iPlayer going to pull the Tennant-Piper era of Doctor Who? :think:

Netflix and Prime to remove all movies that feature someone who turned out to be a dodgy bastard? There’ll be none left.

By all means, refuse to work with the guy in future, his behaviour is disgusting but removing content that has already been made - and no doubt involved hard work from COUNTLESS others - is in no way right or fair.

[Toy Soldier]

:laugh:


You know I didn’t mean you bots :hee:

[bots]

Cancelling shows in hindsight is ****ing daft to be honest. Is iPlayer going to pull the Tennant-Piper era of Doctor Who? :think:

Netflix and Prime to remove all movies that feature someone who turned out to be a dodgy bastard? There’ll be none left.

By all means, refuse to work with the guy in future, his behaviour is disgusting but removing content that has already been made - and no doubt involved hard work from COUNTLESS others - is in no way right or fair.

yeah, the argument was going around Spacey at that time too. People are free to choose not to watch something if they dislike the actor, but Spacey didn't suddenly become a bad actor over night. The right of individual choice is being taken away from people. A body of work that other actors, producers and directors were involved in is being withdrawn when they are blameless. Like it or not it is cancel culture that is the catalyst for this because the media distributers think they will get blacklisted if they don't comply with the demands of the warriors

[Ammi]

...I think it’s a difficult one tbh...(...I’m not fully decided on it...)...the whole labelling thing is so bad...if it’s negatively labelled with cancel culture then it becomes wrong to do so but if it’s more labelled in a positive of being supportive toward potential victims to put a hold on for the moment...it’s the exact same thing but it’s presented entirely differently...

[GoldHeart]

So many inconsistencies like I said .

They never stopped showing Glee when one of the actor's vile paedophilic background was revealed ( yes I know he committed suicide ) but still.

Amber Heard still gets work despite her being a horrible person.

And people seem to forget Mike Tyson is a convicted rapist , even catchphrase used his face for a game phrase :facepalm:.

[Ammi]

...I agree about absence of consistency, GoldHeart...as I say I’m quite undecided...isn’t it more or less the equivalent to being suspended from a job while accusations/incidents are ongoing ...and that’s fairly widely done and reasonable to do so....

[GoldHeart]

It's one thing to stop hiring someone, but to try and erase/ limit projects they've been in is just stupid and unfair to other actors involved.

[Cherie]

It's one thing to stop hiring someone, but to try and erase/ limit projects they've been in is just stupid and unfair to other actors involved.

Yes, good point, it does seem unfair to everyone else involved

[Ammi]

...there is always inevitably going to be ‘unfair’ though if something is suspended or someone is suspended in their work/job while serious allegations have been made and while it’s an ongoing thing...I mean, that’s not a ‘cancel cultures’ that’s new, surely...


...anyways, I’ll leave you all to the debate, as I say...I’m very undecided atm, I can see many layers to this...

[Crimson Dynamo]

SIR – Why should we ever watch an ITV serial again if, on a virtue-signalling whim, it can cancel the final episode of Viewpoint staring Noel Clarke on the day it was scheduled to be broadcast (report, May 1)? What is the point of a serial without its finale?

While the allegations against the actor may be serious, they are, as yet, unproved. Has ITV never heard of “innocent until proved guilty”?

Dr Roger Litton
Harrogate, North Yorkshire

SIR – As a youngster I was taught that I would be innocent until proved guilty.

Some years ago, the then Director of Public Prosecutions told the Crown Prosecution Service that those alleging crime should be called victims and believed by the police. This resulted in senior members of the public being charged on the word of a fantasist.

We now have progressed to guilty as alleged until proved innocent. The Royal family and our Prime Minister are examples of this reversal of the presumption to guilty until proved innocent. When will we revert to innocent until proved guilty?

His Honour Lord Parmoor
High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire



SIR – What has happened to our world‑renowned legal system? We used to presume innocence until proved guilty. Now users of Twitter, Facebook and Instagram instantly make their minds up about rights or wrongs, with each subsequent post getting more hysterical.

A series of celebrities have been suspended, sacked, vilified, and on Friday night the finale of a popular series was pulled because of alleged activities of the lead actor.

Did anyone give thought to how the rest of the cast felt – or the viewing public? It was reported that ITV’s decision followed “media pressure”. Had Noel Clarke been charged and found guilty after due process, this could be understood, but there was no more than a kangaroo court.

Doug Prewer
Yateley, Hampshire



SIR – I, like many people, had been enjoying Viewpoint – although, for full disclosure, I did fall asleep for a few minutes during three of the four episodes, so was not totally sure what was going on. (I made plans to watch last night’s finale of Line of Duty standing up.)

It is good that the finale of Viewpoint was put on the ITV Hub for 48 hours. However, nothing sums up the strange world that we now live in better than its press statement that said it was available “for a limited time for any viewers who wish to seek it out, and watch its conclusion”. Why use such pompous language?

James Sneath
Eastbourne, East Sussex

(Letters, DT)

[Ammi]

...as I say, it’s effectively a suspension while serious charges are ongoing...when it’s said to be a cancel culture thing that can be very disingenuous and an applying of a label from those who appear to oppose labelling...being suspended in a job when a serious allegation has been laid against is something that’s always been, it’s not a new thing at all and is completely appropriate to the situation ongoing...


...a similar thing in a school would be...a teacher had had serious allegations made against them...but though, they’ve taught your child for much of the year so we feel they should continue until absolute proof of guilt...or we suspend them, we understand the impact on your child’s learning but we feel we have no choice atm and that’s for the best...I think we all know the ‘acceptable’...SIR...

[bots]

...as I say, it’s effectively a suspension while serious charges are ongoing...when it’s said to be a cancel culture thing that can be very disingenuous and an applying of a label from those who appear to oppose labelling...being suspended in a job when a serious allegation has been laid against is something that’s always been, it’s not a new thing at all and is completely appropriate to the situation ongoing...


...a similar thing in a school would be...a teacher had had serious allegations made against them...but though, they’ve taught your child for much of the year so we feel they should continue until absolute proof of guilt...or we suspend them, we understand the impact on your child’s learning but we feel we have no choice atm and that’s for the best...I think we all know the ‘acceptable’...SIR...

but what itv did was basically suspend the whole school, that can only be described as cancel culture

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's one thing to stop hiring someone, but to try and erase/ limit projects they've been in is just stupid and unfair to other actors involved.

fear of blame

[Ammi]

but what itv did was basically suspend the whole school, that can only be described as cancel culture

...because its a structure that doesn’t operate the same...nothing is identical and one size fits all in the exact same way...they can’t apply a suspension that would only apply to a few people and that wouldn’t make sense anyway...it doesn’t change that it’s very commonplace and always has been to apply suspensions for very serious accusations in a workplace even when something hasn’t yet ‘been proven’... and to apply a ‘cancel culture’ term/label...is IMO, quite disingenuous in its accuracy...we can describe it as cancel culture, of course...but for me that would not show accuracy as I say...and feeding into something by people who would usually oppose that very thing of ‘labelling’...

[bots]

...because its a structure that doesn’t operate the same...nothing is identical and one size fits all in the exact same way...they can’t apply a suspension that would only apply to a few people and that wouldn’t make sense anyway...it doesn’t change that it’s very commonplace and always has been to apply suspensions for very serious accusations in a workplace even when something hasn’t yet ‘been proven’... and to apply a ‘cancel culture’ term/label...is IMO, quite disingenuous in its accuracy...we can describe it as cancel culture, of course...but for me that would not show accuracy as I say...and feeding into something by people who would usually oppose that very thing of ‘labelling’...

but they can stop him from doing further work until the matter is sorted, that is the equivalent. Stopping the the last episode of a series was cancel culture at it's finest

[Ammi]

but they can stop him from doing further work until the matter is sorted, that is the equivalent. Stopping the the last episode of a series was cancel culture at it's finest

...or as I say, it was making a decision to suspend for the moment...which putting that episode or whatever out wouldn’t have done...and that’s always been a very commonplace thing in any workplace with such serious accusations ...you can keep throwing cancel culture at me from every which way but I’m just not catching it, sorry...I’m not grabbing these society damaging ‘labels’ until and unless I’m sure they apply...

[Ammi]

but they can stop him from doing further work until the matter is sorted, that is the equivalent. Stopping the the last episode of a series was cancel culture at it's finest

...’they’ can only make a decision within their control over that programme and they did, that’s exactly what they’ve done...they’ve suspended for the moment because of the severity...whether proven or not, this is very serious and action was felt necessary...

[bots]

taking away people freedom to make their own decisions on what they can and cannot do based on social media pressure couldn't be a better example of cancel culture. We will have to agree to disagree because I think it is totally inappropriate action for itv to take and is a very slippery slope

[Ammi]

...I don’t think that ‘social media pressure’ applies for this particular instance...it’s a decision made within a workplace because of some very serious accusations and an ongoing case and that’s something that has always been commonplace...there is no slippery slope for this and if there was..?...I would say that in trying to apply a label here that doesn’t entirely accurately fit...that in itself could be termed the slippery slope...

[Toy Soldier]

Whether or not some of the more serious accusations are proven to be true is largely irrelevant in this case to be honest; some of the stuff that is definitely true (because it was all over his own Twitter) is justification to not want to be involved with him professionally. No court of law needed. It was right there (and fairly recent, not historic).

For example, possibly (probably) filming or at the very least sharing footage without consent of people having sex, taken through their window, for comments/“jokes” on social media.

That alone would be enough to warrant refusal to work with him again.

But again all that said; not working with him again is one thing, cancelling projects that are already complete from airing, or removing old projects, is just daft.

[Marsh.]

Whilst I do agree there is something to be said for not erasing things from the past because one individual turned out to be unsavoury, I do think there's more important things RIGHT NOW than moaning over that one show being taken down because it's brand new due to what is now a very serious investigation into very serious allegations.

His new show being taken off itv hub because they currently don't want an association with what's currently happening is not really a big deal IMO. And the backlash to that seems to be overshadowing the actual allegations in some places which is odd.

Edit - And no, this isn't a dig at any individual forum members, before I get predictable replies.

[Ammi]

Whilst I do agree there is something to be said for not erasing things from the past because one individual turned out to be unsavoury, I do think there's more important things RIGHT NOW than moaning over that one show being taken down because it's brand new due to what is now a very serious investigation into very serious allegations.

His new show being taken off itv hub because they currently don't want an association with what's currently happening is not really a big deal IMO. And the backlash to that seems to be overshadowing the actual allegations in some places which is odd.

Edit - And no, this isn't a dig at any individual forum members, before I get predictable replies.

...you say it so much better than I do...:love:...I do think that ‘cancel culture’ is an incorrect labelling in this case and that’s the damaging thing with labels...they’re not identifying enough with specifics involved and this is a very serious case with the allegations ...I can’t think of any other type of employment where a ‘suspension’ wouldn’t also apply to any and all projects while investigations continue...and yeah, I agree ...real issues are being clouded while labelling seems to take the prime seat in some cases...

[Toy Soldier]

His new show being taken off itv hub because they currently don't want an association with what's currently happening is not really a big deal IMO.

I mean, I get what you're saying, but on top of (but separate to) what I was saying before I have another issue with this;

Examples of his character were ALL OVER his open social media.

ITV "currently don't want an association" with something that has hit the press and become very public ... when ITV chose to work with him, there are really only two options;

1) They failed, as a massive media company, to do proper background checks that any 15 year old with a phone could do in 15 minutes... or

2) They knew fine well that his twitter (at the very least) was full of toxic, aggressive misogyny (and there are examples of worse) and they just didn't really care until it turned into public backlash.


So I think it is a pretty big deal that they currently don't want to be associated. Understandable that they don't, sure... but y'know. Tough ****. They are.

[Toy Soldier]

...you say it so much better than I do...:love:...I do think that ‘cancel culture’ is an incorrect labelling in this case and that’s the damaging thing with labels...they’re not identifying enough with specifics involved and this is a very serious case with the allegations ...I can’t think of any other type of employment where a ‘suspension’ wouldn’t also apply to any and all projects while investigations continue...and yeah, I agree ...real issues are being clouded while labelling seems to take the prime seat in some cases...

Personally I have no issue with him being yeeted to the moon given some of the stuff I've seen since this broke, cancel away... I just personally think you can't "cancel in hindsight". You can stop working with someone, but you can't hop in a DeLorean and change things to pretend that you NEVER worked with them because you find the association uncomfortable. Again, I understand why they would WANT to, but that doesn't mean it works that way.

[Marsh.]

I mean, I get what you're saying, but on top of (but separate to) what I was saying before I have another issue with this;

Examples of his character were ALL OVER his open social media.

ITV "currently don't want an association" with something that has hit the press and become very public ... when ITV chose to work with him, there are really only two options;

1) They failed, as a massive media company, to do proper background checks that any 15 year old with a phone could do in 15 minutes... or

2) They knew fine well that his twitter (at the very least) was full of toxic, aggressive misogyny (and there are examples of worse) and they just didn't really care until it turned into public backlash.


So I think it is a pretty big deal that they currently don't want to be associated. Understandable that they don't, sure... but y'know. Tough ****. They are.

Oh 100% I agree with you there. Even within his circles it's becoming more apparent how open and known a lot of his behaviour was and either just accepted or ignored. The whole industry needs to look at itself really.

I just think the focusing on his new show being taken down (for now) is a little bit of an unnecessary complaint. It's not banned and gone forever. (Regardless of the fact the show was less than mediocre really :hehe:) To me it just distracts from the accusations, and makes Noel somehow seem a victim of "cancellation" or whatever. Kind of like the twitter users who are going with the notion that all these women are lying because they're so racist they can't stand to see a successful black man or something. :umm2:

[bots]

my gripe is for all the others involved in that project... it could potentially have been their big break, and now it's gone to rat for them.

[GoldHeart]

I'm completely unaware of his twitter , I don't know what he's been saying . But if it's offensive then obviously that has to be addressed. And the allegations obviously need to be looked into further.

I know some don't think it's a big deal about viewpoint.

But I cant help but think would they take the same measures if it was a big popular show like Line of duty?? ,if an actor in that TV show had been accused of multiple allegations hmm .

[Marsh.]

I'm completely unaware of his twitter , I don't know what he's been saying . But if it's offensive then obviously that has to be addressed. And the allegations obviously need to be looked into further.

I know some don't think it's a big deal about viewpoint.

But I cant help but think would they take the same measures if it was a big popular show like Line of duty?? ,if an actor in that TV show had been accused of multiple allegations hmm .

I think there'd be a bigger reason to take the show off the air (for the time being) if it was an actor in a major show. Their presence on TV during a time when the allegations were made would be a much bigger deal.

[Livia]

It seems extraordinary to me that people who claim to have been sexually assaulted would go to the newspaper and not to the police.

[GoldHeart]

It seems extraordinary to me that people who claim to have been sexually assaulted would go to the newspaper and not to the police.

Another valid point ,but then again if you're in the public eye it's all going to come out in the papers anyway .

[Marsh.]

It seems extraordinary to me that people who claim to have been sexually assaulted would go to the newspaper and not to the police.

They should've made a thread on here really shouldn't they, with their wild claims?

[GoldHeart]

They should've made a thread on here really shouldn't they, with their wild claims?

Well like I said if he's been saying and doing inappropriate things in front of people and on social media, then it's all out there already:shrug: .

[bots]

They should've made a thread on here really shouldn't they, with their wild claims?

thats not even hinted at in the post you refer to, so how you can come up with that response is beyond me.

[Marsh.]

thats not even hinted at in the post you refer to, so how you can come up with that response is beyond me.

You didn't understand my post? Ok.

[bots]

The BBC has said it is "shocked" to hear allegations by several women that actor Noel Clarke sexually harassed them on the set of Doctor Who.

Mr Clarke played Mickey Smith in the BBC drama from 2005 to 2010.

The Guardian has quoted five women, including an unnamed actress, who it says have claimed that he touched them inappropriately or made sexual remarks.

He denied all the claims. He has previously "vehemently" denied sexual misconduct or criminal wrongdoing.

The latest reports come a week after 20 women told The Guardian that Mr Clarke, 45, had harassed or bullied them during his career as a TV and film actor, writer, director and producer.

Last week, he said he understood that "some of my actions have affected people in ways I did not intend or realise" and said he was "deeply sorry" to those people. But he denied that his actions constituted sexual misconduct or criminal wrongdoing.
He told The Guardian that he strongly denied the latest allegations. His representatives have not responded to a BBC request for comment.

A BBC spokesman said: "The BBC is against all forms of inappropriate behaviour and we're shocked to hear of these allegations.

"To be absolutely clear, we will investigate any specific allegations made by individuals to the BBC - and if anyone has been subjected to or witnessed inappropriate behaviour of any kind we would encourage them to raise it with us directly.

"We have a zero tolerance approach and robust processes are in place - which are regularly reviewed and updated to reflect best practice - to ensure any complaints or concerns are handled with the utmost seriousness and care."

Last week, Sky "halted" its work with Mr Clarke, including on the fourth series of crime drama Bulletproof, while ITV dropped the final episode of his drama Viewpoint from its broadcast schedules. The BBC said it would "not be progressing any projects with Noel Clarke at this time".

Bafta has suspended his membership, weeks after giving him an outstanding contribution award, and the Metropolitan Police have said they have received allegations of sexual offences from a third party.

Meanwhile on Friday, Doctor Who and Torchwood actor John Barrowman was said by The Guardian to have repeatedly exposed himself on set. It said that was regarded as "larking about" and "joking" rather than sexually predatory behaviour.

A video of Mr Clarke joking about Mr Barrowman's behaviour at a 2015 sci-fi convention resurfaced and went viral last week.

In 2008, Mr Barrowman apologised for exposing his genitals during a live BBC Radio 1 broadcast. At the time, he said he "was joining in the light-hearted and fun banter of the show and went too far".

In a new statement to The Guardian, he said his "high-spirited behaviour" was "only ever intended in good humour to entertain colleagues on set and backstage".

He added: "With the benefit of hindsight, I understand that upset may have been caused by my exuberant behaviour and I have apologised for this previously. Since my apology in November 2008, my understanding and behaviour have also changed."

Mr Barrowman added that he was never made aware of any allegations against Mr Clarke.

Mr Barrowman has not responded to a BBC request for further comment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-57021060

--------------------

Doesn't seem like the BBC has been learning many lessons

[Marsh.]

There's not really much the BBC can do if it wasn't reported at the time?

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/3C25/production/_118579351_mirror20may.jpg

[arista]

[Fury as police drop sex harassment and bullying probe
against Bafta star Noel Clarke:
Campaigners condemn Met Police who say allegations
from up to 20 women
'don't meet threshold for criminal investigation'



Noel Clarke, 46, will not be subject to a
criminal investigation, the Met confirmed
The actor had up to 20 sexual harassment
and bullying allegations against him
These do not 'meet the threshold for
a criminal investigation', the Met said]


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/26/09/42387024-9825575-Clarke_pictured_with_his_wife_former_make_up_artis t_Iris_Da_Silv-a-20_1627288401384.jpg
[Mr Clarke pictured with his wife,
former make-up artist Iris Da Silva,
at the 70th EE British Academy Film Awards
at Royal Albert Hall in February 2017]



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10656713/Fury-police-drop-sex-harassment-bullying-probe-against-Bafta-star-Noel-Clarke.html


Sign Of The Times

[GoldHeart]

[Fury as police drop sex harassment and bullying probe
against Bafta star Noel Clarke:
Campaigners condemn Met Police who say allegations
from up to 20 women
'don't meet threshold for criminal investigation'



Noel Clarke, 46, will not be subject to a
criminal investigation, the Met confirmed
The actor had up to 20 sexual harassment
and bullying allegations against him
These do not 'meet the threshold for
a criminal investigation', the Met said]


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/26/09/42387024-9825575-Clarke_pictured_with_his_wife_former_make_up_artis t_Iris_Da_Silv-a-20_1627288401384.jpg
[Mr Clarke pictured with his wife,
former make-up artist Iris Da Silva,
at the 70th EE British Academy Film Awards
at Royal Albert Hall in February 2017]



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10656713/Fury-police-drop-sex-harassment-bullying-probe-against-Bafta-star-Noel-Clarke.html


Sign Of The Times

:conf::huh:

But yet it seemed his career was ruined, ITV even took his program off air . So now all those allegations don't matter?. I don't get it.

[arista]

:conf::huh:

But yet it seemed his career was ruined, ITV even took his program off air . So now all those allegations don't matter?. I don't get it.


Yes


He should try Netflix
they are making a film a week.


Also
ITV got into a panic mode

[Oliver_W]

:conf::huh:

But yet it seemed his career was ruined, ITV even took his program off air . So now all those allegations don't matter?. I don't get it.

It's not that they don't matter, but for whatever reason there doesn't seem to be enough evidence to prosecute him. But a network doesn't need the same standards when it comes to removing someone from their world.

[Toy Soldier]

It's not that they don't matter, but for whatever reason there doesn't seem to be enough evidence to prosecute him. But a network doesn't need the same standards when it comes to removing someone from their world.Exactly, something doesn't have to be criminal to breach professional standards, e.g. Doctors and nurses etc. are struck off the register all the time for things that wouldn't meet the threshold of criminal charges.

[UserSince2005]

black lives matter

[Beso]

Him and Schofield, the teflons of ITV.

[arista]

[Now hear MY story: Noel Clarke's career imploded
after more than 20 women accused
him of sex offences but police have
yet to bring any charges...Is he one more
victim of cancel culture – or a predator who
just got what he deserved?]

Writer at the DM Sarah Oliver

[Noel Clarke's twin Bafta statuettes sit on the
bookshelves of his West London home.
Once they represented the pinnacle of his
achievement as an actor, writer, producer
and director.
Today the bronze faces stare blankly
out over a career that lies in tatters.

Until a year ago Clarke was part of the
British film and TV establishment.
He could be seen on screen in the
BBC's Doctor Who and top-rated police dramas
on ITV and Sky.]

[He'd traced his roots in an episode of
Who Do You Think You Are?
and written and starred in the
acclaimed Hood Trilogy of youth
culture films, directing two of them
Today he is a pariah after a string of
highly damaging allegations led to the
British Academy of Film and
Television Arts suspending his membership,
and withdrawing his 2021 Bafta award
for outstanding contribution to
British cinema just nine days after
he was handed the coveted gong.]



[In the past year, Clarke and his wife Iris,
who have been together for two decades,
have had a new baby they haven't dared
tell anyone about.
Financially the family has been left
'running on fumes'.
Most seriously, at his lowest,
Clarke was suicidal.
He pocketed a folding hunting knife bought
as a souvenir while filming Auf Wiedersehen,
Pet in Arizona 20 years ago and planned
to cut his own throat.]


[Clarke makes a plea for the context of incidents
and conversations to be considered and
for women to 'differentiate between an
evil guy and someone who might have
made a mis-step'.

He also believes the entertainment industry
needs to clean out its Augean stables
in a calm and rational manner, saying: 'I am not trying
to excuse evil men. But I think we are all here' – he means
at this impasse – 'because of them.

'I'm not a predator. I have crossed the road to avoid
walking behind women since I was 15 years old.'

He acknowledges that not all of his past
behaviour has been beyond reproach,
particularly when events of almost two
decades ago are judged by the standards of today.]



Whoever was behind the 'assassination',
as Clarke refers to it,
then emailed the TV companies he worked for.
And anonymous requests for information
were sent, unsolicited,
to women who might know him, saying:
'We are working with and led by survivors
of Noel Clarke. The number is very high…'

'I've been a regular dude, for sure, I flirt.
Have I ever made a saucy comment?
One hundred per cent.
But not to the extent that it warranted the
destruction of my life.]


In Full on this Link
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10863975/Is-Noel-Clarke-one-victim-cancel-culture-predator-just-got-deserved.html


Should he go back to acting?


Should he go on ITV1HD "This Morning"?
or all 4 TV news stations?

[Toy Soldier]

I mean if Johnny Depp can convince the world he’s the real victim and come out of domestic abuse allegations with more fans swinging from his dick than ever then… why not? He might as well give it a punt.

[bots]

part of the problem is that the police take way to long to either say they are going to charge someone or stop investigating. For someone who is innocent, it must be a nightmare

[arista]

I mean if Johnny Depp can convince the world he’s the real victim and come out of domestic abuse allegations with more fans swinging from his dick than ever then… why not? He might as well give it a punt.



I agree
worth a try.

[GoldHeart]

This whole thing still confuses me .They said he did it though ?.

[arista]

Weds 1 Nov 2023

[Noel Clarke legal action against
Guardian suffers high court setback
Judge rejects argument of lawyers for actor
on meaning of eight articles that Clarke says
unfairly defamed him]



[Clarke argued that the meaning of the Guardian
articles was that he was guilty.
His barrister, Adam Speker KC, argued that simply
including Clarke’s denials did not reduce
the seriousness of the meaning,
and that the denials had been included
in a dismissive manner intended
to suggest they should be disregarded.]


This must piss him off.

Big Long Read:

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/nov/01/noel-clarke-legal-action-against-guardian-suffers-high-court-setback

[arista]

[The actress 'shell-shocked' when asked
to 'bend further'
while filming with Noel Clarke,
court hears

An actress who worked in a
production with Noel Clarke
gave evidence at the High Court
in London as part of his legal suit against
the publisher of the Guardian.
He denies allegations of misconduct.


Thursday 20 March 2025, UK]

["He repeated these comments until
I bent over further and further until
I was bent completely over with my bum in the air."]


Noel, what the hell were you up to?


https://news.sky.com/story/actress-shell-shocked-when-asked-to-bend-further-while-filming-with-noel-clarke-court-hears-13332602

[Quantum Boy]

Sounds like he was on a power trip to me, thought he had a bit of power/influence and could get away with it.

He didn't realise he wasn't wealthy enough or the right colour for that.

[Cherie]

Sounds like he was on a power trip to me, thought he had a bit of power/influence and could get away with it.

He didn't realise he wasn't wealthy enough or the right colour for that.

The right colour? have you heard of Gino de Campo and Gregg Wallace, just recent examples of a long list of white men who allegedly went beyond what was expected, why demean what the women are saying because he is black?

[Quantum Boy]

The right colour? have you heard of Gino de Campo and Gregg Wallace, just recent examples of a long list of white men who allegedly went beyond what was expected, why demean what the women are saying because he is black?

I'm saying that to get away with it you have to be very wealthy AND white. The people you've mentioned are not that sort of wealthy.

The comment also isn't to suggest that he's being unfairly treated because of his colour; throw the book at all of the perverts. Just include the princes and presidents in that stat.