A Female Nurse that helped save Johnson, Quits

[arista]

She is featured in a New Ch4HD Documentary, next week.
she went to 10 Downing Street
after she helped save him when he was in Hospital with Covid-19.

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[arista]

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[user104658]

Scottish nurses are getting 4% and even that’s a bit of a lowball. Pity Johnson didn’t say 4% for England. If he had, Scotland would give 7% :joker:.

[arista]

Scottish nurses are getting 4% and even that’s a bit of a lowball. Pity Johnson didn’t say 4% for England. If he had, Scotland would give 7% :joker:.



Yes Good Point.

[Kazanne]

Hasn't he made them exempt from any pay freeze ?

[joeysteele]

It's a disgrace.
With inflation the pay rise he's given them amounts to them having less spending power with his pathetically insulting 1% rise.

I hope he's forced to increase it

They should never even be thought of as being included as part of a pay freeze anyway.
Hard-line Cons won't agree.
This 1% rise a gross insult.

It's shameful his offer to the Nurses at it stands.
As for this Nurse.
She's one of likely many who after their hard work and dedication have been kicked in the teeth by Johnson and his government.

On the Nurses every Con MP should be hanging their heads on shame.
This Nurse ONLY echoes what probably most Nurses are thinking.

Still, there'll be excusing him for even offending any of the Nursing staff.
From his hard-line MPs and some of his hard-line voters too.

[Cherie]

Hasn't he made them exempt from any pay freeze ?

They only got 1% Kaz which is pretty poor tbf

[joeysteele]

Hasn't he made them exempt from any pay freeze ?

They shouldn't ever be in any pay freeze.
Unbelievable.

[Oliver_W]

He's really not been acting like someone who's thankful to the NHS for saving his life...

[Kazanne]

They only got 1% Kaz which is pretty poor tbf

Oh I know that Cherie,they definitely should get more im sure I heard that they were reviewing that ,lets hope so.:wavey:

[AnnieK]

After the year they have just had, an insulting 1% is a disgrace. I imagine there are many demoralised nurses and many more will leave the profession.

[Kazanne]

They shouldn't ever be in any pay freeze.
Unbelievable.

I asked a question Joey,I didn,t say it was right.

[thesheriff443]

From a personal point some nurses should get more and some less
When my mum was dying in hospital of corona some of the nurses were self absorbed cows
Without out an ounce of compassion to someone saying goodbye to their mum.

Like in every job there are those that are in the wrong job

[GoldHeart]

1% might aswell be zero , it's an insult and disrespectful.

[Kazanne]

From a personal point some nurses should get more and some less
When my mum was dying in hospital of corona some of the nurses were self absorbed cows
Without out an ounce of compassion to someone saying goodbye to their mum.

Like in every job there are those that are in the wrong job

I'm sorry about your mom sheriff and yes some nurses really shouldn't be in a caring profession ,but those that do a good job and take it seriously should get a decent wage.

[joeysteele]

I asked a question Joey,I didn,t say it was right.

Except he and his government aren't reviewing it.
He and his government stated a 1% increase.

HOWEVER the NHS pay review body, independent, is what is looking at Nurses pay.
Which they will then suggest what should have been the increase.

So again, he and his government are going to likely be forced into another shameful u turn.

Of course then it will be said he'd listened if he does.

A pity he didn't wait for the NHS pay body's recommendations, before he ever tried to get away with just 1%.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am sure she will be able to get a job at Amazon

[bots]

i don't feel we can view nhs staff pay reviews in the same way as we would previously have done after the year we have had.

I do feel that they should be rewarded. They put their lives on the line. Something that wasn't conceivable 2 years ago. The problem the government has is that it is such a huge organisation, a small increase equates to a mountain of cash.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

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What he really thinks and intends to do, completely often different from what he actually says at the time.

This Nurse has now found out his deceit and that you can't politically believe a word he says near all the time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

From a personal point some nurses should get more and some less
When my mum was dying in hospital of corona some of the nurses were self absorbed cows
Without out an ounce of compassion to someone saying goodbye to their mum.

Like in every job there are those that are in the wrong job

That is my experience too - some great ones but a lot who could not give tuppence

[Tom4784]

The Tories have treated the NHS and it's workers with utter contempt masquerading as cheap gratitude. 'Yes, we'll clap for you but don't expect any real rewards for your herculean efforts. You've died for us, you've risked your mental health, you've sacrificed, but here's some people banging pots and pans on their door step. That's better than a pay rise, yeah?'

[The Slim Reaper]

Johnson is currently selling off the NHS in private, with 49 GP surgeries currently owned by US health insurance companies. There won't be an NHS left within 20 years. I used t think the GBP would revolt if ever this happened, but as long as the gov says they have to do it to stop (insert group of people) taking advantage, then we'll fall straight into it. That doesn't mean that anyone cheering them on will be exempt from receiving the same service as the rest of us, either.

Money for nukes and new yachts, but not the people that prop up the country.

[Marsh.]

From a personal point some nurses should get more and some less
When my mum was dying in hospital of corona some of the nurses were self absorbed cows
Without out an ounce of compassion to someone saying goodbye to their mum.

Like in every job there are those that are in the wrong job

Probably just trying to follow the guidelines, do their job and keep everyone safe.

[Marsh.]

i don't feel we can view nhs staff pay reviews in the same way as we would previously have done after the year we have had.

I do feel that they should be rewarded. They put their lives on the line. Something that wasn't conceivable 2 years ago. The problem the government has is that it is such a huge organisation, a small increase equates to a mountain of cash.

That's all well and good when they waste mountains of cash on needless sh*te.

[AnnieK]

I'm sure there are a lot of nurses who are completely demoralised, exhausted and just plain disillusioned after the pandemic. They didn't get into nursing for the good pay and conditions as there hasn't been a time in my memory when it was a lucrative career. However, they had holidays cancelled, worked back to back 12+ hour shifts and are bound to have been exhausted and stressed by it all. They have seen so many die to this disease and risked their own health to keep working that many who joined the health service to care for people may have reached their limits and come across as uncaring and stroppy. I'm sure there are some who are.perpetually like that, like there are in every walk of life. When my mum was dying (well before covid), every nurse I encountered during her hospital and then hospice care were fantastic. Maybe we were just lucky, but the care she received from the nurses was fantastic. The doctors were another story.

[thesheriff443]

Probably just trying to follow the guidelines, do their job and keep everyone safe.

No, not wen I and my sisters have full ppe on.
And it’s not just that I’ve been in hospital visiting someone and nurses have ignored patients who asked for help saying they were going to sick ignored them they were sick and was still covered in sick 15 minutes later after I told them twice

Have you not heard of people dying of thirst or hunger on wards because no body could be bothered to feed them

My dad is diabetic and his sugars drop fast he was in hospital a week and a half ago he was waiting all day to see a doctor my sister explained his needs and the nurse said I don’t think there is anything left and my sister told her that is not good enough in the end my sister had to go and get him food from the shop

Have you never heard the say post code lottery wen it comes to your chances of survival depending on wich part of the country you are in.

[AnnieK]

No, not wen I and my sisters have full ppe on.
And it’s not just that I’ve been in hospital visiting someone and nurses have ignored patients who asked for help saying they were going to sick ignored them they were sick and was still covered in sick 15 minutes later after I told them twice

Have you not heard of people dying of thirst or hunger on wards because no body could be bothered to feed them

My dad is diabetic and his sugars drop fast he was in hospital a week and a half ago he was waiting all day to see a doctor my sister explained his needs and the nurse said I don’t think there is anything left and my sister told her that is not good enough in the end my sister had to go and get him food from the shop

Have you never heard the say post code lottery wen it comes to your chances of survival depending on wich part of the country you are in.

That's awful. Do you think there was food left and they couldn't be bothered or was there actually nothing available? As that is another problem, the NHS is so cash strapped now that patients are suffering and not getting basic requirements.

The whole NHS is in crisis and if we lose more nurses because they feel under valued, sadly the things you've experienced are only going to get worse :sad:

[Marsh.]

No, not wen I and my sisters have full ppe on.
And it’s not just that I’ve been in hospital visiting someone and nurses have ignored patients who asked for help saying they were going to sick ignored them they were sick and was still covered in sick 15 minutes later after I told them twice

Have you not heard of people dying of thirst or hunger on wards because no body could be bothered to feed them

My dad is diabetic and his sugars drop fast he was in hospital a week and a half ago he was waiting all day to see a doctor my sister explained his needs and the nurse said I don’t think there is anything left and my sister told her that is not good enough in the end my sister had to go and get him food from the shop

Have you never heard the say post code lottery wen it comes to your chances of survival depending on wich part of the country you are in.

You're right. Leave nurses on a piss poor wage, whilst the government continues to cut off the funding which is the true source of problems. It's not the nurse's fault there was no food left.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You're right. Leave nurses on a piss poor wage, whilst the government continues to cut off the funding which is the true source of problems. It's not the nurse's fault there was no food left.

£34K per annum is a decent wage

its not piss poor

[The Slim Reaper]

No, not wen I and my sisters have full ppe on.
And it’s not just that I’ve been in hospital visiting someone and nurses have ignored patients who asked for help saying they were going to sick ignored them they were sick and was still covered in sick 15 minutes later after I told them twice

Have you not heard of people dying of thirst or hunger on wards because no body could be bothered to feed them

My dad is diabetic and his sugars drop fast he was in hospital a week and a half ago he was waiting all day to see a doctor my sister explained his needs and the nurse said I don’t think there is anything left and my sister told her that is not good enough in the end my sister had to go and get him food from the shop

Have you never heard the say post code lottery wen it comes to your chances of survival depending on wich part of the country you are in.

Did you vote tory?

[thesheriff443]

You're right. Leave nurses on a piss poor wage, whilst the government continues to cut off the funding which is the true source of problems. It's not the nurse's fault there was no food left.

I said there are good nurses and for that matter good doctors and bad nurses and bad doctors

There are hundreds of deaths every year because doctors fobbed people of with it’s a head ache it’s it’s the flue it’s heart burn.

I’m not saying don’t give doctors and nurses a decent wage I’m saying some are not fit to be in health care.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm sure there are a lot of nurses who are completely demoralised, exhausted and just plain disillusioned after the pandemic. They didn't get into nursing for the good pay and conditions as there hasn't been a time in my memory when it was a lucrative career. However, they had holidays cancelled, worked back to back 12+ hour shifts and are bound to have been exhausted and stressed by it all. They have seen so many die to this disease and risked their own health to keep working that many who joined the health service to care for people may have reached their limits and come across as uncaring and stroppy. I'm sure there are some who are.perpetually like that, like there are in every walk of life. When my mum was dying (well before covid), every nurse I encountered during her hospital and then hospice care were fantastic. Maybe we were just lucky, but the care she received from the nurses was fantastic. The doctors were another story.

at least they have been working. A travel agent who owns her own business was on LBC and she has not worked since april 2020

[thesheriff443]

Did you vote tory?

No, and the idea that one party is better than the other is utter bollox

Governments are plate spinners that spin a load of plates and when after a while there have been so many breaks another government gets voted in and they start spinning plates and the cycle continues.

[Crimson Dynamo]

“This one-nation Tory party that has already embarked on the biggest cash boost for the NHS for a generation.”

Boris Johnson, 24 November 2019

[The Slim Reaper]

No, and the idea that one party is better than the other is utter bollox

Governments are plate spinners that spin a load of plates and when after a while there have been so many breaks another government gets voted in and they start spinning plates and the cycle continues.

Fair enough.

I disagree with the last bit, as we'd seen 10 years of what the Tories had done to the NHS in real terms. I'd agree with you with this labour, definitely.

[GoldHeart]

£34K per annum is a decent wage

its not piss poor

And I suppose you think 1% pay rise is acceptable aswell :umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

And I suppose you think 1% pay rise is acceptable aswell :umm2:

No I think 34k is a good wage, don't you?

[Kizzy]

No I think 34k is a good wage, don't you?

Define good in context... it may be 'good' but is it fair?

Is it comparably to other positions in the same bracket?
Take into consideration working conditions as well as the physical and mental impact of the job.

Imo due to the stress nurses face no it isn't a good wage.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What is?

It's the market rate

They worked thru the pandemic

Many did not

Maybe give a pay rise to those who did not get furlough?

[AnnieK]

at least they have been working. A travel agent who owns her own business was on LBC and she has not worked since april 2020

And? Has the travel agent risked her own life and the lives of those she lives with to save others? No.

Has the travel agent who owns her own business had financial assistance from the gov to the tune of thousands? Yes.

I work for a small business and I know the amount of financial assistance that we have been able to claim, whilst sat healthy and safe (and bored) in our own homes.

[AnnieK]

No I think 34k is a good wage, don't you?

A band 5 newly qualified nurse doesn't earn £34k

[Marsh.]

£34K per annum is a decent wage

its not piss poor

at least they have been working. A travel agent who owns her own business was on LBC and she has not worked since april 2020

But.... but.... but....

[Marsh.]

I said there are good nurses and for that matter good doctors and bad nurses and bad doctors

There are hundreds of deaths every year because doctors fobbed people of with it’s a head ache it’s it’s the flue it’s heart burn.

I’m not saying don’t give doctors and nurses a decent wage I’m saying some are not fit to be in health care.

Fair enough.

[Crimson Dynamo]

But.... but.... but....

But you don't know how to respond?

[Niamh.]

Define good in context... it may be 'good' but is it fair?



Is it comparably to other positions in the same bracket?

Take into consideration working conditions as well as the physical and mental impact of the job.



Imo due to the stress nurses face no it isn't a good wage.Lovely to see you back Kizzy [emoji173]

[Marsh.]

But you don't know how to respond?

Genuinely? No I don't because you're spinning your wheels trying to justify Boris' piss poor treatment of the NHS just for the sake of it. You do you.

[Kizzy]

Lovely to see you back Kizzy [emoji173]

Thanks love :) hope you and yours are well, thought I'd come to show Im still alive lol

[Ammi]

…well you’re a sight for early morning tired eyes, Kizzy…:love:…(…yes, I was worried…)…it’s so lovely to see you, welcome home…:hug:….(…as if you could just slip back in unnoticed…:laugh:..)….

[joeysteele]

A band 5 newly qualified nurse doesn't earn £34k

Exactly Annie.

[joeysteele]

Define good in context... it may be 'good' but is it fair?

Is it comparably to other positions in the same bracket?
Take into consideration working conditions as well as the physical and mental impact of the job.

Imo due to the stress nurses face no it isn't a good wage.


I'm overjoyed to see you posting Kizzy.
I echo Ammi, welcome home.

Of course the conditions need to be taken into consideration.
Plus this last year particularly where being put in danger from government incompetence on PPE too.

A 1% increase is in fact a cut in real terms.
How anyone would want to excuse that or worse support it, should be worrying.

[user104658]

A band 5 newly qualified nurse doesn't earn £34k


A band 5 nurse with 20 years experience doesn’t earn £34k. Nursing has some very decent salary prospects but you have to move through the bands quickly to reach them... my wife is about 2 years in and is band 6 eyeing a 7 but (not to wife-flex lol) that is extremely uncommon... most NQN’s are going to be band 5 for 5+ years and frankly the band 5 salary doesn’t reflect the hours of study & training that go in at all. Nurses in countries like the US, Australia, NZ, Scandinavian countries etc. earn so much more when newly qualified.

[AnnieK]

A band 5 nurse with 20 years experience doesn’t earn £34k. Nursing has some very decent salary prospects but you have to move through the bands quickly to reach them... my wife is about 2 years in and is band 6 eyeing a 7 but (not to wife-flex lol) that is extremely uncommon... most NQN’s are going to be band 5 for 5+ years and frankly the band 5 salary doesn’t reflect the hours of study & training that go in at all. Nurses in countries like the US, Australia, NZ, Scandinavian countries etc. earn so much more when newly qualified.

Thanks TS, I supply staff to the NHS but secretarial support staff and went through the Agenda for Change pay restructure years ago and I knew that the start of Band 5 was nowhere near the salary LT is quoting but was unsure how quickly nursing staff go through the spine points on the bands. So thanks for clarifying.

However, even IF nurses did regularly earn £34k, they would still deserve a decent year on year rise, not just because of the pandemic. Every employee (in any job role or industry) effectively takes a pay cut year on year if they don't at least get a cost of living rise.

[user104658]

Thanks TS, I supply staff to the NHS but secretarial support staff and went through the Agenda for Change pay restructure years ago and I knew that the start of Band 5 was nowhere near the salary LT is quoting but was unsure how quickly nursing staff go through the spine points on the bands. So thanks for clarifying.

However, even IF nurses did regularly earn £34k, they would still deserve a decent year on year rise, not just because of the pandemic. Every employee (in any job role or industry) effectively takes a pay cut year on year if they don't at least get a cost of living rise.

I agree, and if you look at the NHS salary increase between 1990 and 2000, then 2000 to 2010... then compare it to the increase from 2010 to 2020... it's really quite shocking. It's barely gone up at all when I think it more than doubled between 1990 and 2010.

Put that alongside the soaring cost of living thanks to insane property & rent increases :umm2:. A little 2 bed flat came up near me yesterday - £700 a month. Which might not be a lot compared to "city prices" but identical flats were renting for £400/month 5 years ago.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What is the average salary for a Nurse?

The Royal College of Nursing have estimated that the average annual salary of an NHS Nurse is £33,384.

More broadly, we estimate that the average salary for a Nurse is somewhere between £33,000 and £35,000.That takes into account the average amount of experience of a UK Nurse, and data collected on major job boards.

https://www.nurses.co.uk/nursing/blog/a-quick-overview-of-nurses--salaries-in-the-uk-in-2021/

[Ammi]

…’protect the NHS’ is one of the three word slogans that isn’t going to work really …if the NHS nursing staff flee to the better paid private sector for doing the same role….it’s just going to contradict the protection of NHS…surely this has been a strong message to the government that the NHS is for life, not just for COVID…..

[Crimson Dynamo]

…’protect the NHS’ is one of the three word slogans that isn’t going to work really …if the NHS nursing staff flee to the better paid private sector for doing the same role….it’s just going to contradict the protection of NHS…surely this has been a strong message to the government that the NHS is for life, not just for COVID…..

one person has gone back to her home country

[bots]

if people want better paid nhs, then either we need to cut down on the number of staff or increase what we the tax payer contribute toward it. Given the state the economy is in at the moment, i don't see tax rises happening right now for that (although im sure they will be along soon)

[Ammi]

Third of nurses plan to quit NHS in ‘emerging crisis’…


A third of nurses are considering leaving the NHS in the next year, according to research highlighted by the House of Commons Public Accounts Committee (PAC).

The committee’s report quotes a survey from the Royal College of Nursing (RCN) suggesting that 36% of respondents were considering leaving in the next year, with two-thirds attributing this to low pay and almost half claiming it was due to their treatment during the pandemic.

The exodus has sparked fears of an “emerging crisis” in nursing, the PAC said….


https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/third-of-nurses-plan-to-quit-nhs-in-emerging-crisis/


…but maybe just another medical crisis to ignore the potential enormity and impact of…

[Niamh.]

Thanks love :) hope you and yours are well, thought I'd come to show Im still alive lol

Yes we're all fine thanks. And as Ammi said we were a bit worried about you so glad you popped back to us :love: How are things?

[Tom4784]

Honestly, this thread really demonstrates how people will allow the NHS to perish. A nurse does something that reflects poorly on the tories and then 'Well, I had a nurse who was terrible to me once, they work back to back long ass shifts and are probably more stressed out than ever before in their lives but they didn't put on a song and dance when I wanted them to so they're ****!'

[Kizzy]

Yes we're all fine thanks. And as Ammi said we were a bit worried about you so glad you popped back to us :love: How are things?

I'm better now it's been a bit manic, luckily for me I'm in one of the sectors that kept working .... :|
So with covering those shielding and isolating this year has passed in a bit of a blur of work, bed, work, bed.

Took some time off now :) Great to see everyone still here and the topics are as controversial as ever haha!

[user104658]

What is the average salary for a Nurse?

The Royal College of Nursing have estimated that the average annual salary of an NHS Nurse is £33,384.

More broadly, we estimate that the average salary for a Nurse is somewhere between £33,000 and £35,000.That takes into account the average amount of experience of a UK Nurse, and data collected on major job boards.

https://www.nurses.co.uk/nursing/blog/a-quick-overview-of-nurses--salaries-in-the-uk-in-2021/

Starting salary is £25k whit - to put it in perspective - is something like £12.50 an hour. When minimum wage is nearly £10 an hour now... that does not really reflect a professional qualification.

You CAN "leapfrog" the progression by jumping up the bands rather than waiting for incremental wage progression, but obviously not everyone is going to get an early promotion.

[Niamh.]

I'm better now it's been a bit manic, luckily for me I'm in one of the sectors that kept working .... :|
So with covering those shielding and isolating this year has passed in a bit of a blur of work, bed, work, bed.

Took some time off now :) Great to see everyone still here and the topics are as controversial as ever haha!

Sounds like you deserve that time off! I worked through for most of the it is well (besides working from home for a couple of months at the very start) but we were quieter than usual because of so many of our customers being closed

[Marsh.]

Honestly, this thread really demonstrates how people will allow the NHS to perish. A nurse does something that reflects poorly on the tories and then 'Well, I had a nurse who was terrible to me once, they work back to back long ass shifts and are probably more stressed out than ever before in their lives but they didn't put on a song and dance when I wanted them to so they're ****!'

This pretty much.