Eurovision 2021 final ~ BBC1 (8PM)

[Denver]

Malta have shortened alot in the odds while Italy and France start to drift

[Tinsel Toes]

:fist:

For me too.

Very Piaf like.
Strong, dramatic performance.

Yes i was not keen at start but loved by the end and voted for her.

[Tinsel Toes]

Great countdown from the dancers :dance:

[Parmy]

Ukraine to win

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Great countdown from the dancers :dance:

Impressive

[Calderyon]

Countdown performance was very nicely done.

[Denver]

Switzerland opening up a lead in the Jury vote

[Calderyon]

Odds:

France leads comfortably

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Rewatch Malta. Good

[Calderyon]

Would be okay with a Switzerland win tbh.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Holden you plank

[Calderyon]

UK and Norway only ones without any points so far.

[Denver]

We are getting nil points ain't we?

[Parmy]

Omg, this is like a tibb poll.

[Calderyon]

Odds:

France is 1st, but Switzerland is closing fast.

[Parmy]

Thank you ireland

[Denver]

When Ireland dont even vote for us you know its Nil points

[Parmy]

Have a potato.

[Tinsel Toes]

What a surprise only country with 0 points.

[bots]

we are still on zero :joker:

[Tinsel Toes]

The two most original singers are top 2

[Parmy]

France was ok..she got very excited at Amanda gushing out her blouse, as she gave her results.

Perhaps miss france smells a hit in the uk charts.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Get lost France ffs

[Parmy]

At least she sang in French..LT.

And not in english like the vast majority of our nil pointers.

[Parmy]

Big rob on the telly there.

[Parmy]

Polina pump

[Parmy]

Theresa fault.

[Denver]

Embarrassing

[bots]

double zero :laugh:

[LukeB]

iconic 0 points from jury and public! what we deserve

[Denver]

We should have placed higher then at least 8 or 9 countries

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Omg

[Parmy]

We should have placed higher then at least 8 or 9 countries

We beat Poland.

[Denver]

Shock of the night is San Marino totally flopping

[Denver]

We beat Poland.

Not hard to beat someone whi isn't in the final

[bots]

the uk song was pretty dreadful

[Christmas Dynasnow]

A mess

[Parmy]

Not hard to beat someone whi isn't in the final

Do you need to qualify like the football or something like:conf:

[arista]

UK O

Typical

Switzerland
and France top

[Parmy]

Jackie charlton is raging.

[bots]

it's the best bit of eurovision, the obscure voting

[Parmy]

Oh....a twist

[Parmy]

Get in ukraine

[bots]

go iceland lool

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Come on you iceland

[arista]

Italy at the Top now

[Parmy]

She looks more manly than the two lads.

[Parmy]

I must say, thanks for the thread.

I hadnt realised this was still going now.

Last time I watched I had had my fill with cheryl bakers skirt.

[Denver]

Italy is a super boring country so I'd expect the most boring show next year

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Wtf

[Parmy]

Italy is a super boring country so I'd expect the most boring show next year

True ..:joker:

I like that thought :joker:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

The state of it

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

We did it! We finally did it! Wooooooool :dance:

[Tinsel Toes]

Italy ~ can't even recall the song . Oh well :shrug:

[Parmy]

Unless they go down the tutti frutti route.

[Parmy]

We did it! We finally did it! Wooooooool :dance:

Well done ness.:dance:

[Calderyon]

Italy wins. Congrats Italy.

Not my favorite, but there you go.

In the end I was wishing for a Switzerland win.

Great result for Finland tonight. Happy about that. 2nd best result for us in Eurovision history.

UK 0 points.... ouch.

[Parmy]

UK n germany n Poland v the rest in a world war.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

The worst Winner in my lifetime

[Tinsel Toes]

Who is the Amazon woman ? presenter , is she a wrestler ? i have no idea who she is but she's gigantic .

[Tinsel Toes]

Sorry Vanessa but the song is vile, so aggressive sounding.

[Parmy]

They look like drunk nazis in a 2nd world war movie.

[arista]

We did it! We finally did it! Wooooooool :dance:


Thats a Shock.

[bots]

Who is the Amazon woman ? presenter , is she a wrestler ? i have no idea who she is but she's gigantic .

i believe she wasn't always a lady

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

:love:We were due a win.
The last time we won was on 1990.
Toto Cutugno. Lasciatemi cantare, perche'ne Sono fiero. Sono un'italiano, un'italiano vero

[Christmas Dynasnow]

i believe she wasn't always a lady

So shoehorned in to please the woke squad, Jesus

[Parmy]

i believe she wasn't always a lady

https://www.google.com/search?q=im+a+lady&client=ms-android-samsung&prmd=ivsn&sxsrf=ALeKk02wS3xD7HnqtBqZDIq5CQQmRkdPyw:162172433 1749&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjnnt71sd7wAhUOlBQKHcl4DnUQ_AUoAXoECAIQA Q&biw=360&bih=612&dpr=3#imgrc=2S8JzuDPViBnDM

[arista]

Sorry Vanessa but the song is vile, so aggressive sounding.



Thats what is Fashion.

[Parmy]

We were due a win.
The last time we won was on 1990.
Toto Cutugno. Lasciatemi cantare, perche'ne Sono fiero. Sono un'italiano, un'italiano Vero

A great time...accompanied by a great tune.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Sorry Vanessa but the song is vile, so aggressive sounding.

The original version isn't as clean.
They removed the swearwords :laugh:

[Denver]

A member of the Italian band was doing drugs in the green room please disqualify them

[Denver]

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[LukeB]

A member of the Italian band was doing drugs in the green room please disqualify them

iconic

[FaLaLaLand]

Amazing show.

Feel for James but he’s come out of it so we’ll, what a hero! A really good sport at the end there getting the audience behind him and that. :joker:

Don’t like the winner I have to say, would have preferred Switzerland out of the top 2 but hey ho.

[bots]

it was nice to see people back in a large group again having fun. It really didn't matter who the winner was

[Braden]

I'm still chuckling at San Marino completely flopping the televote. They looked genuinely shocked, lmao.

[arista]

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[Denver]

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[joeysteele]

Italy winning, France runner up, Switzerland 3rd.
3 of my favourite Countries.
Good result this was.

[arista]

You think you are a mod

How Rare



No I Do Not


Just shows how Lazy you are

[arista]

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[Shaun]

So shoehorned in to please the woke squad, Jesus

Or a hugely popular Dutch Internet personality with millions of followers, but sure, throw in some transphobia whilst we're all here

[Calderyon]

Malta won SF1.
Switzerland won SF2.

SF1 top 10 ranked (both Jury & Tele):

Malta
Ukraine
Russia
Lithuania
Israel
Cyprus
Sweden
Azerbaijan
Belgium
Norway

SF2 top 10 ranked (both Jury & Tele):

Switzerland
Iceland
Bulgaria
Portugal
Finland
Greece
Moldova
Serbia
San Marino
Albania

[Braden]

It's weird because I get the appeal of Italy’s entry and understand why it won, but I'm pretty underwhelmed? I think it's because I was rooting for France towards the end, and it was pretty close between them.

[Calderyon]

Out of Italy and France, i am glad Italy won tbh.

[Liam-]

James did not deserve zero points, how the **** were we beaten by Germany?

Glad Italy won, it’s about time after all the times they’ve been robbed over the past couple of years

[Merry Mockmas]

How the **** can Europe say that the UK were worse than Germany without immediately cracking up?:laugh:

Anyway well done to Italy, like Netherlands entry in 2019 it is another solid winner imo.

My rankings of the performances on the night personally.

1. Finland (+5) on where they actually finished
2. Italy (-1)
3. Switzerland (Non-Mover)
4. Belgium (+15) me and the vote really disagree on this one clearly:joker:
5. Ukraine (Non-Mover)
6. Lithuania (+2)
7. Iceland (-3)
8. France (-6)
9. Bulgaria (+2)
10. Russia (-1)
11. Portugal (+1)
12. Greece (-2)
13. Azerbaijan (+7)
14. Spain (+10) a bit harshly scored imo
15. Sweden (-1)
16. United Kingdom (+10) I genuinely think that we were really harshly treated last night , the song wasn't amazing by any means, but it clearly weren't the worst either.
17. Israel (Non-Mover)
18. Cyprus (-2)
19. Netherlands (+4)
20. Malta (-13) I really didn't feel the song, decent voice though
21. Albania (Non-Mover)
22. San Marino (Non-Mover)
23. Serbia (-8)
24. Moldova (-11)
25. Germany (Non-Mover) I'm being a hypocrite here as even though the song is technically more poorly produced compared to Norway's entry, I personally find it more fun to listen to
26. Norway (-8)

That's my personal opinion of the performances on the night anyway.:laugh:

[FaLaLaLand]

I can't stop listening to Iceland's song. It's bloody brilliant! So much fun and so cheery!

[arista]

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[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Switzerland thought they already won.
His face when Italy beat them :laugh:

[Shaun]

I didn't get that at all Vanessa - he seemed like he knew it was coming and was resigned to defeat. There was no chance at all Switzerland would get 300+ televotes.

The only unhappy people I noticed were the Portuguese entry (although in a "oh **** this :laugh:" way, not an actual strop) and Senhit from San Marino - she had every right to be stunned by just 13 televotes :(

I think the lesson from last night is that too many countries are trying to do the same thing. SO many of last night's entries were "extremely beautiful popstar in a silver sequined dress has a really basic Spotify-friendly hook for their dance-pop song"... Serbia, Cyprus, San Marino, Moldova, Malta, Israel, Azerbaijan... and don't get me wrong, I love some of them and sometimes they do well. But the majority of viewers and listeners want something unique and something that stands out. France did that, Italy did that, Ukraine and Iceland did that. Switzerland were the only male ballad of the night (ignoring the dreck from Spain). And they all finished as the top 5. Hell, Finland snatched 6th because they were the only hard-rock entry (I consider Italy's to be more glam-rock / contemporary, like Royal Blood) and they were considered to have no chance of winning at all.

It's hard to predict what the rest of Europe are going to do, in that respect, but the UK need to learn this: what Europe are not going to do is support a song that we won't even put in our own charts, let alone anyone else's. Absolutely nobody will have seen or heard 'Embers' and thought "...god, that was just... such a stand-out".

[Shaun]

Aside from the usual defending of our participation in this contest, I would say there still needs to be a cracking down on...shady behaviour. Moreso with the juries than the public vote, although I do think Moldova getting SO many votes in the semi-final (top points from 8 of the 20 voting countries... and this was against Iceland, Finland, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Greece...) and then a paltry 62 in the final is an eyebrow-raiser :think:

Maybe some of the juries aren't actually taking out-and-out bribes, but are instead voting tactically... notice how Italy and France didn't place each other highly at all? :laugh:

We like to make fun of it for its predictability but there is a genuine frustration - you can even hear it in the arena every year, the boos for them - Cyprus/Greece, Russia/Azerbaijan/Georgia/Moldova, Serbia/Macedonia/Montenegro/Croatia... there are definitely a lot of countries taking part fairly but you have to ask what are the real reliability factors when it comes to the impartiality of a member of the Cypriot jury :think:

[Captain.Remy]

The highlight of the night is that dude doing cocaine live :joker:
Really didn't expect to get runner-up with that song which tbh I'm not a fan of.
Congrats to Italy winning! Not my cup of it but has some appeal to it.
And the UK getting 0 points really is a punishment after Brexit, I feel like.

[bots]

what made me laugh was that the german entry got 3 more points than the uk :laugh:

I don't think any country goes into the event taking it in any way seriously. Some parts of it like the partisan voting are very predictable by now and some of the rest is delightfully random :laugh:

I hadn't heard the uk entry before last night, and for me it's the worst entry we ever submitted and there have been a few really bad ones in the past, so it shows how bad it was.

It is surprisingly difficult to write a winning song because you cant follow a formula and know that it will be a winner. Sometimes it will win, other times it will come last depending on the mood on the street.

Anyway, i enjoyed it for what it was

[Shaun]

I don't think any country goes into the event taking it in any way seriously.

The majority do. It's a huge prize for both the musicians themselves (getting a ton of European fans and being able to tour internationally as a result) and the countries participating (in normal times, anyway, as the Eurovision economy is a massive boost to tourism).

We have the luxury of having both of those in abundance already: UK acts that make it big are going to tour internationally regardless, whereas even an Italian or Spanish act is going to struggle to break through in the US/UK/Canada/Australia markets (which tend to dictate what's successful... I mean all of the "Best albums of the year", awards shows, etc, take place in America). And then on the tourism boon side of things we've never really had to worry about that.

In recent years I can only really think of Rosalia (from Spain) and Christine and the Queens (from France) who have broken through into critically-acclaimed music from Europe. That's only really because we can't be bothered to listen to non-English music, not because no one in Europe is making anything good.

[Nicky91]

i'm happy with my two main faves middle of table :love: :clap1:


The Black Mamba, Hurricane both really got good careers to come, new experience gained here, both slayed :worship:



i am happy with Ukraine higher than overrated bribe nation Malta (karma for that bribing and playback, lol destiny)



nice non-english top 3 too :clap1:



as for my nation, well i am proud of Jeangu :clap1: i love his song myself and that is what is more important




my personal winner of my own top 2 is Hurricane, Loco Loco what a bop, and damn how they are better live than studio :lovedup:



UK sorry not sorry but James was crap live, also out of breath after walking around a bit :joker: if u want dance song u need someone who can actually perform and sell it live

[Nicky91]

what made me laugh was that the german entry got 3 more points than the uk :laugh:

I don't think any country goes into the event taking it in any way seriously. Some parts of it like the partisan voting are very predictable by now and some of the rest is delightfully random :laugh:

I hadn't heard the uk entry before last night, and for me it's the worst entry we ever submitted and there have been a few really bad ones in the past, so it shows how bad it was.

It is surprisingly difficult to write a winning song because you cant follow a formula and know that it will be a winner. Sometimes it will win, other times it will come last depending on the mood on the street.

Anyway, i enjoyed it for what it was

yes, Portugal does (they don't care results wise, but they like promoting their music artists through this contest, and them to take this experience with them for their careers)

given they also made return to JESC for this year, despite bad results, promoting new child singers is also good for their music industry

[Ammi]

The highlight of the night is that dude doing cocaine live :joker:
Really didn't expect to get runner-up with that song which tbh I'm not a fan of.
Congrats to Italy winning! Not my cup of it but has some appeal to it.
And the UK getting 0 points really is a punishment after Brexit, I feel like.

…hush up you…:laugh:…I feel for the almost half of us who voted not to Brexit, we’ve been wrongly imprisoned …

[Ammi]

….well done though, Remy…France did excellently I hear….:love:…I watched a movie so didn’t see that much of it but I watched some of the results at the end and heard the winning song….well done, Vanessa…you must be thrilled…:lovedup:…

[Ammi]

what made me laugh was that the german entry got 3 more points than the uk :laugh:

I don't think any country goes into the event taking it in any way seriously. Some parts of it like the partisan voting are very predictable by now and some of the rest is delightfully random :laugh:

I hadn't heard the uk entry before last night, and for me it's the worst entry we ever submitted and there have been a few really bad ones in the past, so it shows how bad it was.

It is surprisingly difficult to write a winning song because you cant follow a formula and know that it will be a winner. Sometimes it will win, other times it will come last depending on the mood on the street.

Anyway, i enjoyed it for what it was


…those are very much words of someone from a country who just got 0 points…:laugh:…

[Ammi]

…i liked the presenters from the little bit I saw so well done them…:love:…I couldn’t help think though, Shaun….that your presentation really takes some beating…you definitely have the edge on Eurovision presenting….

[bots]

The majority do. It's a huge prize for both the musicians themselves (getting a ton of European fans and being able to tour internationally as a result) and the countries participating (in normal times, anyway, as the Eurovision economy is a massive boost to tourism).

We have the luxury of having both of those in abundance already: UK acts that make it big are going to tour internationally regardless, whereas even an Italian or Spanish act is going to struggle to break through in the US/UK/Canada/Australia markets (which tend to dictate what's successful... I mean all of the "Best albums of the year", awards shows, etc, take place in America). And then on the tourism boon side of things we've never really had to worry about that.

In recent years I can only really think of Rosalia (from Spain) and Christine and the Queens (from France) who have broken through into critically-acclaimed music from Europe. That's only really because we can't be bothered to listen to non-English music, not because no one in Europe is making anything good.

Maybe its just my perception of it has changed. I find it quite similar supporting Scotland in international football :laugh:

Without eurovision, the phenomena that was Abba would never have happened, so i do get that

[Nicky91]

for Serbia 15th is a decent result (higher than in 2018, 2019 and also for Sanja (dark hair) 3 places up too for herself compared her solo entry in 2016, for Ksenija (red hair) 2 places below her father's result for Montenegro in 2015 (Knez - Adio) which came 13th


Hurricane basically got a huge regional hit with the entry too (so yeah decent esc result, and hopefully next mission is to be next balkan superstars)

also nice fun fact how they were formed on island of Sint-Maarten, after devastating hurricane Irma, as a charity project at first but ended up being that popular, that they are one of their nation's mainstream acts now (which was nice on its own to see Serbia send something really current from their music scene)



Portugal: The Black Mamba always said they weren't in it for the competition but more to have fun, share their work with a wider audience, they already performed in America, UK, but they just needed a bigger audience to perform to, and this entry of theirs will be on their new upcoming album ''Night in Amsterdam''




San Marino: a shame it didn't get best result to date, cuz i found them better than Serhat for sure, also still on bright side, loved how Flo Rida was enjoying every single moment of the shows



Belgium: 19th is great for Hooverphonic, whom also never were in it for competition, but as Geike said ''a chance to perform for live audience again, which happens to have some points''

[Shaun]

I don't have time to analyse the results as much as I'd like to (I'm curious to know which jury member put the UK the highest :laugh:) (those figures might not be released yet, I don't know) but I did have some thoughts on the other results...

Ukraine finished 2nd in the televote :love: I had a feeling it would beat France but didn't think it'd be 2nd. Shame the juries gave it lukewarm praise, because it could've been a real contender for the title.

The most disappointing results are obviously San Marino (but then... Flo Rida hasn't had a hit since 2015, so it's to be expected... plus performing last is always a massive handicap. Everyone's already tired and wanting the thing to get over with :laugh:)... I really hoped the Netherlands would get a little bit more than 11pts in total just because the song was so political and powerful... just maybe a little too ploddy and in amongst some of the big favourites so was drowned out.

The one I really underestimated was Finland... I really don't get what the appeal was there :shrug: I know I said before that it's very unique and stands out... but as a song in and of itself, it was pretty weak IMO.

Otherwise I'm really happy with the final order. Top ten spots for Ukraine, Switzerland, Lithuania and Iceland... top half spot for Portugal... Cyprus deserved better than 16th but again, had the bookend position and therefore suffered from being forgotten by the end.

[Nicky91]

Serbia biggest voting difference

21st Juries but 9th in televote


:dance: :dance: hurray and respect to televoters not being a bunch of nitpicking moaners


i think it is fab on its own if you can sing/dance that well at same time, also very technically demanding, and how fast paced that song also was (but for juries to destroy that, well i'm done with juries now)




but what did you guys think of our interval acts?


music binds us was real nice, bit of orchestra again :clap2: and our own international name, DJ Afrojack :love:

rock the roof was nice either, Teach-In (ding a dong) original formation, they got very old but so joyful still with that song

my city's Lenny Kuhr :love: de troubadour bop


Lordi still sound and look fab :clap2:

[arista]

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[Jay28jay2]

Heartbroken for the UK, I know people think it’s funny and we deserve it but I don’t think we did and I can’t laugh

But at the end of the day our effort didn’t pay off so, let’s do better. BBC surely have to learn, 2 last places in a row (and if it was under the old format in 2019 Michael would’ve also got nil points)

Happy with an Italy win, they didn’t feel like a winner but I’ll take it because they’ve had so many close calls. I also do feel a little bit annoyed that one of the OG contestants didn’t win but what can you do

Also nice to see the girl who was meant to participate in 2020 for Portugal being a spokesperson, she deserved to be there last night even though I like black mamba, but none of the artists should’ve been snubbed unless it was their choice (like Germany)

I wonder how last year could’ve gone now, it wasn’t as strong but the good songs still were quite tied, I wonder if there would’ve been anything similar to a quadruple nil point kill

It’s sad now, got to know most of these artists over two years and now they’re gone, think we became attached to them. Hope some return in the future. Can’t wait to see Daði live next year.

Also show some love to James Newman ❤️

[joeysteele]

I was impressed with the whole contest.
Very few I didn't like really.

I even found Germany entertaining,it was quite catchy.

In the end I hoped France would get it, although I thought Italy really good and one that bridged the varied styles of the others.

The only ones I wasn't keen on were Serbia and sorry Malta too, I felt that was overrated.

As for the UK, I think there is a political reason for doing so badly.
However I said earlier, if it's down to performance too, then the UKs seemed drab.
Plus, I felt the verses melody let down the song.
The verses sounded flat.
The chorus fine.

I don't think any entry warrants no points however it was no surprise the UK were going to be down at the bottom.
No votes from anything, judges or public.

A great night however, one of the best Saturday night's on TV for ages.

The great thing for me was to see 3 major European Nations taking the top 3 places.
3 of my favourite Countries too.
I liked the whole top 3.

I'd have been happy for any of the 3 to have won.
France would have been my own personal choice.
Italy is a Country I love too.

I could listen a lot to those top 3 songs very easily.

[Nicky91]

I was impressed with the whole contest.
Very few I didn't like really.

I even found Germany entertaining,it was quite catchy.

In the end I hoped France would get it, although I thought Italy really good and one that bridged the varied styles of the others.

The only ones I wasn't keen on were Serbia and sorry Malta too, I felt that was overrated.

As for the UK, I think there is a political reason for doing so badly.
However I said earlier, if it's down to performance too, then the UKs seemed drab.
Plus, I felt the verses melody let down the song.
The verses sounded flat.
The chorus fine.

I don't think any entry warrants no points however it was no surprise the UK were going to be down at the bottom.
No votes from anything, judges or public.

A great night however, one of the best Saturday night's on TV for ages.

The great thing for me was to see 3 major European Nations taking the top 3 places.
3 of my favourite Countries too.
I liked the whole top 3.

I'd have been happy for any of the 3 to have won.
France would have been my own personal choice.
Italy is a Country I love too.

I could listen a lot to those top 3 songs very easily.

oh well doesn't matter Joey, even friends can have different music tastes

[Denver]

It says a lot about Europe though that they won't get behind The UK because of politics but support a country who spent the last month bombing kids

[Nicky91]

results aside, it was just also nice to have 3 great shows with live audience again

i am proud of my nation for organizing 3 very amazing shows, coronaproof and some amazing interval acts

Chantal Janzen is a queen, very fab job she did as one of hosts, Jan Smit did okay (his english am not too keen on myself LOL but he never does anything in english otherwise his own music is all in dutch ''palingsound'' of volendam as we call it here) Nikkie a queen with her online content, and Edsilia the backstage and green room icon :love:

[Black Dagger]

It says a lot about Europe though that they won't get behind The UK because of politics but support a country who spent the last month bombing kids

It's not a political affair. Are you failing to see 3 other countries got 0 in the televote.

He was absolutely dire on the night. Uninspired staging. Weak vocals and the final was the strongest in years.

[arista]

It says a lot about Europe though that they won't get behind The UK because of politics but support a country who spent the last month bombing kids


No it was a Song by James
without a Rock Band behind him



BBC Failed in picking that Song, Again.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I'm surprised Finland didn't get more jury votes.
Their song was superb!

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I was supposed to go to bed early last night, but I stayed up.
I'm happy but so tired today :laugh:

[Nicky91]

It's not a political affair. Are you failing to see 3 other countries got 0 in the televote.

He was absolutely dire on the night. Uninspired staging. Weak vocals and the final was the strongest in years.

Spain wasn't that bad i thought (also quite emotional since that was a tribute to a rough year for him last year, his dad having passed away basically bit after esc was cancelled back then, and his grandmother having died of COVID too sometime after that) hence why he looked up at end of performance

that 0p felt rude more


Germany well i had a ''what the ****'' moment, didn't know what score to give, i gave 7.0 more to see it from a positive way not a negative way ofc

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

The UK has so many great artists.
They need to send someone who has stage presence.
Ed Sheeran or Adele would easily win it.

[arista]

The UK has so many great artists.
They need to send someone who has stage presence.
Ed Sheeran or Adele would easily win it.


A Lead Guitarist
is needed

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I think its sad an aggressive shouty song like that won and lets face it its just a rip off of..

0J2QdDbelmY

[Denver]

It's not a political affair. Are you failing to see 3 other countries got 0 in the televote.

He was absolutely dire on the night. Uninspired staging. Weak vocals and the final was the strongest in years.

We still wasn't in the bottom 5 if the worse

[Nicky91]

The UK has so many great artists.
They need to send someone who has stage presence.
Ed Sheeran or Adele would easily win it.

London Grammar


if Hooverphonic were able to qualify, then the real music vote crowd will also appreciate them

[Nicky91]

James might be a good songwriter, but stick to songwriting only pls, no more singing/performing yourself



those who got stage presence and who might appeal to eurofans: London Grammar, Ella Eyre, Fleur East, HRVY, Ella Henderson




tbh we Netherlands also had quite a dark period in the contest from 2005-2012 with very bad results, nq streak that was with some embarrassing acts like (De Toppers in 2009, Sieneke in 2010, last place 3J's in 2011, indian girl Joan in 2012)

[Shaun]

We still wasn't in the bottom 5 if the worse

We really were. The only songs that were worse than ours were Spain's and Germany's.

[Nicky91]

We really were. The only songs that were worse than ours were Spain's and Germany's.

technically Moldova was weaker than UK, but you know Kirkorov his magic fingers around giving away sim cards in some other countries


also typical of Kirkorov to come up with a oversexed pile of filth of a song :idc:

[Denver]

Seeing as Rock music has been a big Eurovision hit maybe should look into that avenue but the problem is the BBC is obsessed with generic family friendly commercial music then has no memorable hook line

[Shaun]

Sugar had the same formula as ours (rely on the horns) but at least had the merit of a bright, dazzling performance by someone who was easy on the eye. I didn't really care for the Moldova entry at all but it beating us was a no-brainer.

[LukeB]

Our song was really outdated and we sent someone who couldn’t dance. I’m not bothered about coming last because I just find it iconic we became the first country to get 0 from jury and votes :love: if that doesn’t get UK to send something good then we may as well give up

[Christmas Lights]

I stopped watching Eurovision yearsss ago , but I heard about the UK getting ZERO . I actually thought we'd atleast get 2 or 3 points , I thought only Gemini would go down in history with NIL Points wow :skull: :rolleyes: .

Was the UK entry this year that bad ?, not that it matters as it's all political . And Brexit hasn't helped matters.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

It's not a political affair. Are you failing to see 3 other countries got 0 in the televote.

He was absolutely dire on the night. Uninspired staging. Weak vocals and the final was the strongest in years.

he was flat and the staging was uninspired and dated. and wtaf was that hideous Hare Coursing coat he was wearing?

:umm2:

[arista]

Seeing as Rock music has been a big Eurovision hit maybe should look into that avenue but the problem is the BBC is obsessed with generic family friendly commercial music then has no memorable hook line


Very True Denver.

[Cherry Christmas]

Will Ireland ever qualify again :worry:

We only watch the voting but turned over when Eire wasn’t on the list

[Black Dagger]

Will Ireland ever qualify again :worry:

Yes. They sent their most credible entry in years. Sadly were also in the strongest semi in years and her vocals were up there with the worst of the year.

[Cherry Christmas]

Yes. They sent their most credible entry in years. Sadly were also in the strongest semi in years and her vocals were up there with the worst of the year.

Aw right thanks BD

[Oliver_W]

The UK should have either sent someone rock-ish, or gone all out with the cheesey naffness we associate with Eurovision.

[Cherry Christmas]

I was supposed to go to bed early last night, but I stayed up.
I'm happy but so tired today :laugh:

Congrats Ness :love:

[user104658]

Was the UK entry this year that bad ?, not that it matters as it's all political . And Brexit hasn't helped matters.

There is a political element, however, in this case it's not even unjustified. It was literally the worst song AND performance of the entire show :umm2:.

The winners were dire too though - Aldi's own brand Red Hot Chilli Peppers with a bit of Led Zep thrown in. I can't get over Graham calling it "heavy metal" :joker:. He also called Finland "heavy metal" when it was straight down the line Linkin Park style pop-metal, right down to the vocal effects, with Nightwish low-tuned guitars (because Finland, obviously).

Both bad. I wish we could have some actually good alternative stuff.

Personally I was rooting for France, I thought it was the best and most genuine performance of the night. Though I had a soft spot for that amazing Swiss dancing :flutter:.

[Cherry Christmas]

I don’t watch Eurovision but it feels like it’s been the same story for Ireland and the UK for years, it feel like maybe neither RTE nor the BBC want the hefty costs or work involved associated with hosting it

[Legrand]

Talent won!

[bots]

a big zero across the board usually indicates that something isn't quite right. Usually, somewhere in there, a country takes pity and awards the most dire song 12 points. There was none of that this year which I found hilarious.

I don't think the uk organisers have a clue, because we have a huge talent pool and yet we always end up with complete ****e

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Funniest moment : when the trousers of the Italian lead singer split.
Hilarious, bless him :laugh::joker:

[Livia]

Our song was really outdated and we sent someone who couldn’t dance. I’m not bothered about coming last because I just find it iconic we became the first country to get 0 from jury and votes :love: if that doesn’t get UK to send something good then we may as well give up

You're right, he couldn't dance and he wasn't a great singer. But I can't understand how we got 0 points and that ridiculous euro-pop nonsense from Germany scored points!

Ironic how, while we were watching the UK crash and burn in Eurovision, Glastonbury was going on, with the music that the whole world listens to.

I was thrilled for Vanessa when Italy won x

[arista]

Will Ireland ever qualify again :worry:

We only watch the voting but turned over when Eire wasn’t on the list



Worse than the UK, then

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

You're right, he couldn't dance and he wasn't a great singer. But I can't understand how we got 0 points and that ridiculous euro-pop nonsense from Germany scored points!

Ironic how, while we were watching the UK crash and burn in Eurovision, Glastonbury was going on, with the music that the whole world listens to.

I was thrilled for Vanessa when Italy won x

Thank you. I loved it.
Of course I am a big rock fan and they had me up and dancing like a loony :laugh:

[Braden]

Can we appreciate Babs from France changing into a hoodie and jogging bottoms for the results?

Relatable, robbed queen :love:

[Ammi]

Can we appreciate Babs from France changing into a hoodie and jogging bottoms for the results?

Relatable, robbed queen :love:

….:lovedup:…we appreciate a comfortable Queen…:flutter:…comfort is always a good idea, Braden…

[Nicky91]

https://eurovision.tv/mediacentre/release/ebu-statement-on-maneskin-in-the-esc-green-room-during-the-grand-final

ongoing investigation EBU against Italy's Maneskin, for ''drug use'' in the green room statement

[Nicky91]

Will Ireland ever qualify again :worry:

We only watch the voting but turned over when Eire wasn’t on the list

whenever you send a better performer and live singer again?


instead of turds like Lesley Roy, Sarah McTernan :fan:

[Cherry Christmas]

whenever you send a better performer and live singer again?


instead of turds like Lesley Roy, Sarah McTernan :fan:


:laugh:

Having hosted the contest six times, Dublin holds the record for having hosted the contest most often. It is followed by London and Luxembourg (each hosted 4 contests.

I think this is why we send people who wont get anywhere near winning :laugh:

[Nicky91]

well we likely can expect Andorra to return next year (since they already had a verbal agreement to return in 2022, they didn't want to return this year due to covid and extra time to work the entry, but they already have the funds)

[Braden]

w2ytONrRyww

The truly robbed.

[Nicky91]

next saturday we got Song Celebration on Youtube, eurovision official channel

a look at all of the live on tape performances

[FaLaLaLand]

The UK need to do what Andrew Lloyd Webber/Jade Ewen did that year and actually dedicate time and spend months before the contest physically going around Europe (as many countries as possible) promoting themselves and the song - interviews, talk shows, live gigs, televised performances, newspapers/magazines etc all abroad.

We can't just carry on "okay here's our mediocre song that even the UK doesn't really like" and be shocked when nobody bothers voting for it.

Eurovision promotion should begin like January - secure the act, promote said act with random material, release the Eurovision song, promote said song.

By the time the contest comes around - "Europe" will be familiar with our act enough to care to vote.

[Nicky91]

extra esc quizzes, more best of esc song cover shows

re-ignite interest in the show, but more for family entertainment, time to not take competition part serious, but be like Portugal too, use the contest as a platform to give new talent and some ''has been'' artists a extra boost, some chance at performing for wider audience

[Calderyon]

Final (medium bias):

1. San Marino
2. Finland
3. Switzerland
4. Serbia
5. Portugal
6. Azerbaijan
7. Cyprus
8. Sweden
9. Israel
10. Iceland
11. Lithuania
12. Albania
13. Italy
14. France
15. Belgium
16. Malta
17. Greece
18. Moldova
19. Ukraine
20. Bulgaria
21. Spain
22. Netherlands
23. Norway
24. UK
25. Russia
26. Germany

[Shaun]

You're right, he couldn't dance and he wasn't a great singer. But I can't understand how we got 0 points and that ridiculous euro-pop nonsense from Germany scored points!

Ironic how, while we were watching the UK crash and burn in Eurovision, Glastonbury was going on, with the music that the whole world listens to.

I was thrilled for Vanessa when Italy won x

I can only imagine a couple of jury members were literal children and found his suffocating optimism charming :/

Then again our own jury members are questionable... Tom Aspaul (popstar with like 34 fans) put Moldova 2nd in his list :umm2: can't we find someone with actual credentials to judge them?

[Nicky91]

Italy could get stripped of their title, if they indeed used drugs in green room

they deny it themselves, but the investigation is still ongoing

[Nicky91]

we'll see who is the official winner then


at the end of the investigation

[user104658]

You're right, he couldn't dance and he wasn't a great singer. But I can't understand how we got 0 points and that ridiculous euro-pop nonsense from Germany scored points!

Ironic how, while we were watching the UK crash and burn in Eurovision, Glastonbury was going on, with the music that the whole world listens to.

I was thrilled for Vanessa when Italy won x

I think it's actually part of the reason the UK never sends good acts. You can "make it" as a global musician from a start in the UK and Eurovision is seen as somewhat less serious/a bit embarrassing... thus, our actual talent doesn't really want to be involved. For other European countries it can offer a platform to the world for talent, so actual talent wants on the show.

[Nicky91]

can see Paris2022 happening, if action is taken against Italy for breaking rules if drug usage is indeed proven

[user104658]

I don't see the point in stripping the win - it's not like it's "performance enhancing" and has no real bearing on the competition, other than in terms of image... so a bit of a "hollow victory" for France surely. I say keep them as the winner, but yes it would be appropriate perhaps to hold the competition elsewhere next year and also I would imagine they won't be invited back to perform.

[Nicky91]

I don't see the point in stripping the win - it's not like it's "performance enhancing" and has no real bearing on the competition, other than in terms of image... so a bit of a "hollow victory" for France surely. I say keep them as the winner, but yes it would be appropriate perhaps to hold the competition elsewhere next year and also I would imagine they won't be invited back to perform.

rule break is a rule break


it is a family show tbh, children watch this too, and them using drugs is a no go

[Black Dagger]

Theyve not even used any drugs ffs.

Just stinks of sour grapes to tarnish their win. A joke.

[Nicky91]

hope they get covid, those vile drug addict loser scum of earth

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

They haven't used drugs.
Damiano was clearing a glass that was broken.
They offered to get tested straightaway, but were denied.
So they'll take a test when they return to Italy.

[UserSince2005]

Italians just cannot follow the rules. They also performed their uncensored song after they won which they were specifically not allowed to do.

[Black Dagger]

hope they get covid, those vile drug addict loser scum of earth

You really are a terrible stain on the forum.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Italians just cannot follow the rules. They also performed their uncensored song after they won which they were specifically not allowed to do.

Only at the end, after they won

[UserSince2005]

You really are a terrible stain on the forum.

Burn in hell rat.

[Black Dagger]

Burn in hell rat.

Bore off catfishingsince2005

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

They're actually really nice people and excellent musicians.
They used to go busking before they made it big.

[Nicky91]

You really are a terrible stain on the forum.

not you defending drug addicts :shocked:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

not you defending drug addicts :shocked:

Damiano isn't a drug addict.
The band is all very anti drugs.

[Nicky91]

wish Italy would soon withdraw and never come back, that vile stupid moronic country

what do they add to this contest NOTHING

what do they add to the world NOTHING

[Black Dagger]

not you defending drug addicts :shocked:

Which... they aren't.

Can't wait for the results to come back and for you to look a bigger idiot than usual.

[UserSince2005]

It would be also sweet for the crown to go Italy’s arch enemy france

[Nicky91]

Which... they aren't.

Can't wait for the results to come back and for you to look a bigger idiot than usual.

i won't believe any other results than a positive test for drugs


i have never listened to that vile piece of garbage what some of those youth call music, also the ones voting for them are drug users either then


i've muted it on the final so i wouldn't have to hear their gibberish trash

[Black Dagger]

You'll be calling them best winners ever tomorrow. Nobody takes you seriously

[Nicky91]

You'll be calling them best winners ever tomorrow. Nobody takes you seriously

No, i won't


i dislike that sort of music (or at least rock music in foreign language other than english)


my aunt (dad's sister) found Finland better than Italy too (and she is a huge superfan of rock and metal music in general)

[joeysteele]

Can't see them stripping them of the win.
It's done.

I wouldn't say he did do drugs either.

What attracted me to Italy's entry, and I wanted France myself with the more like Edith Piaf performance.

Italy's was like a bridge across all the styles of the songs and was different enough to stand out.
Really well performed too..
So for me a deserved win.

[Nicky91]

Can't see them stripping them of the win.
It's done.

I wouldn't say he did do drugs either.

What attracted me to Italy's entry, and I wanted France myself with the more like Edith Piaf performance.

Italy's was like a bridge across all the styles of the songs and was different enough to stand out.
Really well performed too..
So for me a deserved win.

they seemed like pathetic amateurs on that stage :laugh3:

an insult for Italian music in general

2015, 2018, 2019 were more deserving years for them when they should've won with more real music rather than joke act rock troll trash

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Italy was a dreadful oh look how ironic and 70s we are and how we are oh so aggressive and shouty as its "heavy metal" tired cliche

but i guess those who voted had no idea about glam rock so it seemed edgy

:skull:

[user104658]

From the video, honestly, I am fairly certain he's snorting something. I don't really care all that much, though.

In general I agree with Nicky about the music though - I'm not a fan of the band and I do like rock/metal. Finland was very poppy but it's decent for what it is... Italy I just found to be extremely derivative. It sounded like RHCP, Led Zep, White Stripes, even a bit of RATM, all kind of balled up and served bland with no sauce.

I'd add that it would have been 10x better if they'd replaced the weak bass with a heavier low-tuned guitar riff but I think they wanted to keep it softer for the mass audience appeal. Go hard or go home guys.

[user104658]

Italy was a dreadful oh look how ironic and 70s we are and how we are oh so aggressive and shouty as its "heavy metal" tired cliche

but i guess those who voted had no idea about glam rock so it seemed edgy

:skull:

It's not any sort of metal, it's cookie-cutter rock. And Finland was pop metal/nu-metal. Graham referring to both as "heavy metal" made him sound about 90 :joker:.

[user104658]

https://media.giphy.com/media/YDqpgDSwb4RomZUPPs/giphy.gif

:joker:

[user104658]

And honestly, for Finland get a female to do the chorus vocals and you've got yourself an Evanescence anthem :hehe:.

[Braden]

I actually think the Finnish song/group is better than Italy's. I wish they'd split the vote more.

There's something so annoying and pretentious about the Italian group but I can't even articulate what it is.

[Braden]

However, I don't think the lead singer was snorting anything and I presume the people accusing him of doing so have never even snorted a line of coke before in their life.

I'm living for France going in and saying they should be disqualified if the test comes back positive, though :joker:

[UserSince2005]

Also can we talk about the dickprint?

[Nicky91]

And honestly, for Finland get a female to do the chorus vocals and you've got yourself an Evanescence anthem :hehe:.

seriously TS, i'm sure you'd like their band Nightwish, it has a dutch female vocalist Floor Jansen

or our Within Temptation, ever heard of them from my nation? with female singer Sharon den Adel

[user104658]

seriously TS, i'm sure you'd like their band Nightwish, it has a dutch female vocalist Floor Jansen

or our Within Temptation, ever heard of them from my nation? with female singer Sharon den Adel

I have a track from each on my main Spotify playlist Nicky :joker:. "Faster" (Within Temptation) and "Nemo" (Nightwish).

[Liam-]

There’s another angle of the video being circulated and he was very clearly not snorting anything, but if you can’t win with a dull song, go the bitch route and try to steal it I guess

[UserSince2005]

Why are they holding off with the drug test? its been almost two days now and he still hasnt had it.

Most tests only detect cocaine in the system for a maximum of 3 days, you could come back negative after 12 hours even.

Strap the bastard down and take bloods, now!

[user104658]

There’s another angle of the video being circulated and he was very clearly not snorting anything, but if you can’t win with a dull song, go the bitch route and try to steal it I guess

Source tho? Like... if it's circulating, circulate it!

[user104658]

Actually I've seen a higher res zoomed-in video and on balance, I don't think he is doing anything, or at the very least, there's enough doubt there to make the accusation very flimsy. Thinking about it logically, they'd have to be extremely stupid to be sat doing drugs AT THE TABLE in full view, and would surely be more discreet?

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Can't see them stripping them of the win.
It's done.

I wouldn't say he did do drugs either.

What attracted me to Italy's entry, and I wanted France myself with the more like Edith Piaf performance.

Italy's was like a bridge across all the styles of the songs and was different enough to stand out.
Really well performed too..
So for me a deserved win.

There is so much prejudice about rock bands.
Just because of their look, some people assume that they're drug addicts.
Maneskin are actually really nice and a fantastic band.
I would love to see them play live.

[Shaun]

The whole thing is a case of the audience's imaginations running away with them.

The very idea of one of the frontrunners (who is going to be on camera, a lot, live, surrounded by hundreds of organisers and fellow competitors) snorting coke is just laughable. I almost wish it was true, just for the sheer audacity of it... rock and roll never died indeed :love:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Actually I've seen a higher res zoomed-in video and on balance, I don't think he is doing anything, or at the very least, there's enough doubt there to make the accusation very flimsy. Thinking about it logically, they'd have to be extremely stupid to be sat doing drugs AT THE TABLE in full view, and would surely be more discreet?

Exactly, they aren't stupid. :laugh:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

The whole thing is a case of the audience's imaginations running away with them.

The very idea of one of the frontrunners (who is going to be on camera, a lot, live, surrounded by hundreds of organisers and fellow competitors) snorting coke is just laughable. I almost wish it was true, just for the sheer audacity of it... rock and roll never died indeed :love:

Damiano is very upset by the accusations.
Him and the rest of the band are very anti drugs.

[Nicky91]

https://www.france24.com/en/culture/20210524-french-minister-says-eurovision-s-italian-winners-could-be-disqualified-over-alleged-drug-use

french minister says Italy could be disqualified over alleged drug use

[Black Dagger]

Ofc he would say that x

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Ofc he would say that x

Do you really think he would be so stupid to do that in front of everyone?
Come on!

[Nicky91]

Do you really think he would be so stupid to do that in front of everyone?
Come on!

yes


they also really look like drug addicts, the way they dress too

not classy enough for a show like ESC

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

yes


they also really look like drug addicts, the way they dress too

not classy enough for a show like ESC

They aren't drug addicts.
They're a rock band.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

He was looking at the broken glass.
That is all.

[Nicky91]

They aren't drug addicts.
They're a rock band.

sure jan


so glad my nation's local radio ignores that troll song, and plays France's Voilá instead quite a lot now

[Nicky91]

https://eurovision.tv/mediacentre/release/ebu-statement-on-alleged-drug-use-at-eurovision-song-contest-2021

:yuk: cowards the EBU


hope we Netherlands withdraw from next years contest out of protest for it being held in troll italy

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I knew the drug test would come out negative.
They may look a bit out there, but Maneskin are really nice people and all anti drugs.
It's one of the reasons I love them so much.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

If you watch the video on slow motion you will see that his face is not near enough to the table and his hands are in a first position.
Now I know hes amazing, but even he can't do drugs hands free :laugh:

[Nicky91]

I knew the drug test would come out negative.
They may look a bit out there, but Maneskin are really nice people and all anti drugs.
It's one of the reasons I love them so much.

they are drug addicts


i don't believe what that corrupt EBU says, probably afraid of their broadcaster RAI or something

idk how much Italy has bribed the EBU to get this special treatment

[Black Dagger]

Hard luck Nicky. Troll harder next time x

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

they are drug addicts


i don't believe what that corrupt EBU says, probably afraid of their broadcaster RAI or something

idk how much Italy has bribed the EBU to get this special treatment

They're all anti drugs.
You don't know them at all.
You're just assuming because of their appearance.

[Nicky91]

Hard luck Nicky. Troll harder next time x

i'm correct, not the vile nasty EBU regime

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Italy won it fair and square. We got the most votes.
Now the band may not appeal to everyone, but they're nice people and excellent musicians.
I have followed them since they won the San Remo festival in Italy.

[arista]

Confirmed they took a test
And No Drugs in his System


Just on BBCnewsHD live

[Christmas Dynasnow]

https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/SEI_80313631.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=768%2C1327

[arista]

yes


they also really look like drug addicts, the way they dress too

not classy enough for a show like ESC

Rubbish
you need to get out more

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I liked France and Switzerland, but for me Italy was better.

[Nicky91]

Italy won it fair and square. We got the most votes.
Now the band may not appeal to everyone, but they're nice people and excellent musicians.
I have followed them since they won the San Remo festival in Italy.

No, Italy are cheaters, wish they'd leave from the contest for good, wish they are bankrupt soon

[arista]

Proven No Drugs taken
by that Italy Winner

[Nicky91]

Proven No Drugs taken
by that Italy Winner

No

maybe that was a false test

[arista]

No, Italy are cheaters, wish they'd leave from the contest for good, wish they are bankrupt soon


The Public Vote
made them Win.

[Nicky91]

The Public Vote
made them Win.

i couldn't vote, and neither many others, due to voting problems

[arista]

No

maybe that was a false test


Rubbish
Confirmed All Media

Italy band did not take any drugs.

[arista]

i couldn't vote, and neither many others, due to voting problems


Tell them Off


That's the way it goes.

[The Grinch]

They won fair and square enough Nicky, you are being rude.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Rubbish
Confirmed All Media

Italy band did not take any drugs.

They're all very anti drugs.
Why do people assume that a rock band takes drugs?
I bet they wouldn't question any of the other acts. :fist:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Dan Wooton BLASTS the vile BBC

We'll never win Eurovision while the sneering elite who run the BBC treat it –
and their viewers – with contempt

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9613605/DAN-WOOTTON-never-win-Eurovision-BBC-treats-contempt.html

[joeysteele]

They're all very anti drugs.
Why do people assume that a rock band takes drugs?
I bet they wouldn't question any of the other acts. :fist:


I'm glad he's proven them wrong Vanessa.

They deserved their win.
Well done Italy.
Great to see them win.

[Black Dagger]

Dan Wooton BLASTS the vile BBC

We'll never win Eurovision while the sneering elite who run the BBC treat it –
and their viewers – with contempt

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9613605/DAN-WOOTTON-never-win-Eurovision-BBC-treats-contempt.html

Yawn. ****ing parasite.

[Jay28jay2]

Dan Wooton BLASTS the vile BBC

We'll never win Eurovision while the sneering elite who run the BBC treat it –
and their viewers – with contempt

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9613605/DAN-WOOTTON-never-win-Eurovision-BBC-treats-contempt.html

Why would anyone want to read what he says?

[Nicky91]

I'm glad he's proven them wrong Vanessa.

They deserved their win.
Well done Italy.
Great to see them win.

:clap1:

[Black Dagger]

Lmao. So predictable.

[Nicky91]

Lmao. So predictable.

yes very predictable the dumb elderly hating this rock bop


elderly being triggered is the most fun thing to see :clap1:

[Calderyon]

yes very predictable the dumb elderly hating this rock bop


elderly being triggered is the most fun thing to see :clap1:

Didn't you hate them yesterday?

And before you say anything, yes you did. And whole of Italy as well.

Make up your mind.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I would love to see them play live.
They would be so much fun!

[Denver]

A think a Steps/Michelle Visage combo could get us knit the left hand side if the board

[UserSince2005]

Hoping for a Cyprus trio Supergroup next year.
Elena lead vocal with Eleni and Tamta supporting.

[Black Dagger]

A think a Steps/Michelle Visage combo could get us knit the left hand side if the board

Yeah... in 2005 maybe.

[Nicky91]

Hoping for a Cyprus trio Supergroup next year.
Elena lead vocal with Eleni and Tamta supporting.

No

this time a male from Cyprus i hope


Hatzigiannis Daddy comeback :fc:

[Nicky91]

Moldova hopefully their NF being back next year


Alexandru Cibotaru, Mishel & Julia, Valentin & Irina, Catarina Sandu also returning pls


would love for Tostogan's to also submit a entry

[Denver]

Yeah... in 2005 maybe.

It will be a start in the right direction but we need to take out a page from other countries books as a lot of recent winners were planned on advance and were not one offs look at the likes of Azerbaijan, Sweden, Italy, Israel they had years of hard work to do before pulling off a win

[Denver]

Embers is currently in the UK top 40 which if it holds on would become the first UK entry in 7 years to hit the top 40

[Denver]

Also the Italian song (if you only count the first 3 Olivia Rodrigo songs that are eligible to chart) is was the 7th most streamed song in the UK yesterday which is crazy they also have another song that hit the top 100 streamed songs

[Nicky91]

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this weekend, the online song celebration shows

friday we got the ones who didn't qualify their live on tape's

on saturday a grand final with the live on tape's of our finalists

hosted by Krista Siegfrids (Finland 2013 Marry Me)

[Nicky91]

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last night was part 1 semi finalists live on tapes


tonight the finalists their live on tapes



the only ones who do not show their LOT's are UK and Ireland

[Shaun]

Embers failing to make our top 40. But no... Europe are the problem, not our selection process of incredibly out-of-touch and 'safe' writers :hee:

Zitti e Buoni (Italy) charts at #17
10 Years (Iceland) at #43
Embers at #47
Shum (Ukraine) at #59
Voila (France) at #62
Dark Side (Finland) at #66
I Wanna Be Your Slave (another Maneskin song) at #83
El Diablo (Cyprus) at #86
Tout L'Univers (Switzerland) at #93

[Nicky91]

tbh UK doesn't have only bad results


Lucie in 2017 15th is a nice result in the middle of the board

Blue in 2011 11th just outside of top 10

Molly in 2014 17th also not bad


Engelbert was just robbed of a better result in 2012, he had a lovely charming ballad, among my personal top 5, and i more had thought of it to rank in the middle either not near last that kinda shocked me


the only deserved flops for me Joe & Jake, Electro Velvet, Michael Rice, James Newman



Bonnie was well, i personally adore that woman, but clearly her whole style is just nothing for ESC


SuRie it was a catchy listenable, feel good slightly dated bop, would've more have seen a same-ish result as Molly had

[DouglasS]

Embers failing to make our top 40. But no... Europe are the problem, not our selection process of incredibly out-of-touch and 'safe' writers :hee:

Zitti e Buoni (Italy) charts at #17
10 Years (Iceland) at #43
Embers at #47
Shum (Ukraine) at #59
Voila (France) at #62
Dark Side (Finland) at #66
I Wanna Be Your Slave (another Maneskin song) at #83
El Diablo (Cyprus) at #86
Tout L'Univers (Switzerland) at #93

The only reason embers is even at #47 is because it is our own song and people showing it support, it wouldn’t even be too 200 had Spain sung it.

It’s just an average song like you said

[Nicky91]

The only reason embers is even at #47 is because it is our own song and people showing it support, it wouldn’t even be too 200 had Spain sung it.

It’s just an average song like you said

why would people show support for a dire piece of trash of a song, and a dude whom looks like a alcoholic creep with zero performing skills, not to mention his problems when barely walking across a stage (a tiny bit) and being completely out of breath

[Nicky91]

going to watch most of part 2 of song celebration tonight, after the movie night with my dad