SNP official tells Europe 'Scotland hates the UK too' after Eurovision entry flops…

[Ammi]

..This might have already been posted somewhere but I’m just having a slow morning of browsing….


A senior SNP official has apologised after telling Europe that Scotland “hates the United Kingdom too” after Britain’s entry flopped at Eurovision.

Rhiannon Spear, a Glasgow councillor and the SNP’s national women’s convener, initially defended the post on her Twitter account, which she wrote after the UK’s entry received “nil points”.

She wrote: "It's ok Europe we hate the United Kingdom too. Love, Scotland."


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There have been claims that the UK’s poor Eurovision performance was partly the result of hostility towards the UK on the continent due to Brexit.

Ms Spear later urged those taking offence to “have a word with yourself” and attacked UK Government policies.

She said: "The UK has a billionaire Chancellor who won't give NHS staff a fair pay rise during a global pandemic" and claimed Boris Johnson is "more interested in lining the pockets of his Tory donors than feeding hungry children".



https://uk.yahoo.com/news/snp-official-tells-europe-scotland-175310421.html

[bots]

it's people like her that give scotland a bad name

[Crimson Dynamo]

23.22

Eurovision night

pished

[Ammi]

…I don’t know her, I’m not up on Scottish politicians but she’s obviously entitled to her opinion is the name of the game as we see it….I’m not sure that not giving the NHS nurses a fair wage rise and being shamed into providing sustenance for children have added much to making the U.K. great again, either…

[Livia]

Charming.

It astounds me that people think our poor placing in Eurovision is because of Brexit when we've done really poorly for years. I mean... Israel. They've been in the news a lot in the last few weeks, and incited a LOT of hatred against them. They finished about eight places above us. This is nothing to do with Brexit and as for the politician quoted above, she is a disgrace.

Pull out our money and tell them to do one.

I'm talking about Eurovision but it could equally apply to the SNP.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1386016143375282179/KkZR7kiw_400x400.jpg

[arista]

it's people like her that give Scotland a bad name


Very True

[joeysteele]

We've been doing badly in Eurovision even before Brexit.

I mean it's obvious there's more than just not liking our entries to the contest.

When even places like Israel, Republic of Ireland and Malta don't even give us a single point.

There's something going badly wrong.

You can regardless of what the song is, near guarantee countries like Cyprus will give Greece 12 or a very high vote or vice versa.

The UK doesn't seem now to have any ' friends' anywhere to even do that once.
Even Australia gave us nothing too.

Plus more politically, the SNP haven't ANY reason whatsoever to be impressed with the UK.
With how the overall UK governments totally disrespects the strong views of the Scottish Nation.

[Livia]

The ridiculous thing is the countries giving us 0 points have their charts FULL of British music

[James]

Well the SNP hate or dislike the UK, and they're encouraging Scotland to do the same.

They've really amped up the divisiveness since the Scottish parliament elections.

[Oliver_W]

Eh, she's allowed to use her platform to say stupid things. Par for the course.

[bots]

i mean, if the song and performance were fantastic, we could rightly say, hmm something not right there .... but the whole performance was complete pish, there isn't a polite way of putting it. Thats why we got zero points

[Livia]

i mean, if the song and performance were fantastic, we could rightly say, hmm something not right there .... but the whole performance was complete pish, there isn't a polite way of putting it. Thats why we got zero points

And you think we were the worst on the night? Did you see Germany??

[bots]

And you think we were the worst on the night? Did you see Germany??

the german entry was quirky, which is why although it was really bad, it still got a couple of points. The uk entry had absolutely no redeeming features at all

[Livia]

the german entry was quirky, which is why although it was really bad, it still got a couple of points. The uk entry had absolutely no redeeming features at all

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one Bots. There were plenty of dreadful um-pah Europop entries that should have got nil points. Not saying we should have had loads of points, more that there should have been more countries down the bottom with us. I mean, the winners.... it's like a British act from 40 years ago!

[Nicky91]

The ridiculous thing is the countries giving us 0 points have their charts FULL of British music

yes of course, why not

british music is very good


real quality music that is, not some unappealing artists such as Michael Rice, Gemini, James Newman, Electro Velvet, Joe & Jake


what i personally liked from UK at eurovision was Engelbert Humperdinck, i mean ok bad result but it was a decent song by a decent lovely performer, lovely thing to watch all in all

Bonnie Tyler did the best she could too, maybe not a good result but i also enjoyed and still listen to believe in me

[joeysteele]

the german entry was quirky, which is why although it was really bad, it still got a couple of points. The uk entry had absolutely no redeeming features at all

I didn't mind the German entry.
It made me smile.

I can see how it got a few points, there's years past it would have done much better.
I mean I heard Lulu with Boom bang a bang from the 60s as our entry once..
Good grief.

I agree ours was drab, his performance forgettable.
The verses sounded flat.
The chorus strong but no real hook to grab you.

[Nicky91]

And you think we were the worst on the night? Did you see Germany??

wouldn't have been my choice


i personally hope they bring Unser Lied national selection back for next year

at least in that there were less jokey children's songs as Jendrik's was

[Niamh.]

i mean, if the song and performance were fantastic, we could rightly say, hmm something not right there .... but the whole performance was complete pish, there isn't a polite way of putting it. Thats why we got zero points

I always say it about the Irish entry the last few years and similar could apply to the UK I think but why do we and you keep sending stupid pop/dance songs that try to sound like other countries who have been successful? I reckon Ireland should send something completely different to what other people are sending like a more traditional type song, it might not help and it might but it would at least be different and more authentic. Like for the UK, why not send a Welsh song or a more traditional Scottish song

[Cherie]

I always say it about the Irish entry the last few years and similar could apply to the UK I think but why do we and you keep sending stupid pop/dance songs that try to sound like other countries who have been successful? I reckon Ireland should send something completely different to what other people are sending like a more traditional type song, it might not help and it might but it would at least be different and more authentic. Like for the UK, why not send a Welsh song or a more traditional Scottish song

I said it yesterday, I think both countries are not fussed about winning due to the costs of hosting

[Niamh.]

I said it yesterday, I think both countries are not fussed about winning due to the costs of hosting

Well yeah there is that :laugh:

https://img.gifglobe.com/grabs/fatherted/S02E05/gif/4uvgN0hiK7GY.gif

[Cherie]

Well yeah there is that :laugh:

https://img.gifglobe.com/grabs/fatherted/S02E05/gif/4uvgN0hiK7GY.gif

The Republic have won it 6 times and the UK 4 so they do know how to put together a winning formula :smug:

[James]

Eurovision is a performance contest rather than a song contest.

The songs are never played in the years after, and there is too many of them during the show anyway for the public to pick one. It is the performances people remember.

As to whether countries are being judged by Europe, Germany only got 3 points in total, and Germany, Spain and Netherlands also got nothing in the public vote so by that logic they are hated also.

[Niamh.]

The Republic have won it 6 times and the UK 4 so they do know how to put together a winning formula :smug:

7* :hee:

[Ammi]

…I did agree with Graham Norton that the whole points allocation was odd, though…with the public vote as well….some countries getting hundreds of points and others getting one or two points, just seems quite bizarre…

[Cherie]

7* :hee:

Oh :smug:

[joeysteele]

…I did agree with Graham Norton that the whole points allocation was odd, though…with the public vote as well….some countries getting hundreds of points and others getting one or two points, just seems quite bizarre…


It was more odd this year.:joker:

Which makes no difference though as whether on the public vote or judging panel vote, the UK got NO votes from either source.

Maybe we should become a non participant.
HOWEVER stage the contest in the UK every year.
Capitalise on the tourism from that.

With perhaps a decider voting rights in respect of any unlikely tie as a result.
How the UK voted decides the winner.

Then just have our singers/ groups entertaining during the presentation of the contest.

[Ammi]

It was more odd this year.:joker:

Which makes no difference though as whether on the public vote or judging panel vote, the UK got NO votes from either source.

Maybe we should become a non participant.
HOWEVER stage the contest in the UK every year.
Capitalise on the tourism from that.

With perhaps a decider voting rights in respect of any unlikely tie as a result.
How the UK voted decides the winner.

Then just have our singers/ groups entertaining during the presentation of the contest.



…that’s the last time we give Remy our 12 points, not one little vote did he manage to get us…

[user104658]

One thing you have to bear in mind about the huge Italy public points boost is that they were fav to win.

Fav to win = lots of bets on them to win = lots of people with a financial stake in them winning voting like crazy.

It's a standard betting phenomenon with "bets on public vote" type things, because it's the very unusual scenario where those who have placed the bets can actually influence the outcome.

tl;dr being bookie's favourite to win in a voting event in turn makes you more likely to win, and I think the large surge of votes for Italy somewhat reflects that.


As for the tweet: a bit ill-judged, most people who want Scottish independence don't "hate" the UK at all and a post-Indy Scotland and England will need to have a solid and amiable relationship for various reasons. We're not enemies :umm2:.

However, the UK's act: Awful. Yes, genuinely the worst of the night. Germany was "bad" but at least in that "lol omg this is so bad" way which is mildly entertaining. The UK wasn't entertainingly bad... it was just bland. Completely and utterly forgettable, literally no redeeming features. Zero performance, zero staging, bizarre ... costume? ...? Lacklustre song and mediocre vocals. It is semi-political but come on. It deserved zero and got zero.

[bots]

i'm convinced thats why helen wood won bb, it was because of all the bets that people had taken out at fantastic odds

[Beso]

Are we surprised at the party who relies on hate for votes

[Tom4784]

The song wasn't bad, it was just bland and forgettable. There were worse songs, no doubt, but they were probably more memorable and likely had people voting for them for the fun of it.

It's better to be bad than bland in a competition like that.

[Tom4784]

Are we surprised at the party who relies on hate for votes

As opposed to the tories who rely on hatred of immigrants, the poor, and pretty much anyone who isn't the ideal image of tory voter? Priti Patel, one of the biggest MPs in the party literally turned an immigration raid into a photo op.

Stones and glass houses.

[user104658]

Are we surprised at the party who relies on hate for votes

By your logic that a party that seeks independence "relies on hate for votes", then I assume you're also saying that Brexit voters and supporters are "hateful"?

[Beso]

By your logic that a party that seeks independence "relies on hate for votes", then I assume you're also saying that Brexit voters and supporters are "hateful"?

No..not at all...totally different scenario.

[joeysteele]

As opposed to the tories who rely on hatred of immigrants, the poor, and pretty much anyone who isn't the ideal image of tory voter? Priti Patel, one of the biggest MPs in the party literally turned an immigration raid into a photo op.

Stones and glass houses.

Indeed.
100% correct.

Amazing that all gets overlooked and accepted by a good number of voters, particularly in England.

[Beso]

That's nowhere near 100 percent correct Joey..its an assumption, nothing more, nothing less.

[joeysteele]

That's nowhere near 100 percent correct Joey..its an assumption, nothing more, nothing less.

Of course it is.
What has been done humiliatingly by the government, Coalition and Con to the sick and disabled since 2010, is shameful, heartless and cruel.

You dare accuse the SNP of hate, when they wouldn't dream of being cruel to the sick and disabled.

I won't even start on this government's attitude to immigration.
Even as to those who've been here for decades.

No, I'll hold my agreement with Dezzy's facts, thank you very much.

[Jay28jay2]

I hope when Scotland go independent eventually they win the whole contest

[Beso]

Of course it is.
What has been done humiliatingly by the government, Coalition and Con to the sick and disabled since 2010, is shameful, heartless and cruel.

You dare accuse the SNP of hate, when they wouldn't dream of being cruel to the sick and disabled.

I won't even start on this government's attitude to immigration.
Even as to those who've been here for decades.

No, I'll hold my agreement with Dezzy's facts, thank you very much.



Well the only country ive seen deporting people on my tv lately is Scotland.

With those 2 in glasgow that gathered a huge crowd trying to stop it..

She still went ahead and deported them. Was that born of hate, from her and her party?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well the only country ive seen deporting people on my tv lately is Scotland.

With those 2 in glasgow that gathered a huge crowd trying to stop it..

She still went ahead and deported them. Was that born of hate, from her and her party?

It's her job to deport illegals and that is what she is doing - regardless of a rent-a mob in Glasgow.

She spoke about this today and mentioned the 2 illegals in Glashgow

[MTVN]

I said it yesterday, I think both countries are not fussed about winning due to the costs of hosting

But then we also provide more funding to it than most other countries which gets us our automatic place in the final

Always find that hard to square with the lack of effort we put in to finding a decent act

[Swan]

Well yeah there is that :laugh:

https://img.gifglobe.com/grabs/fatherted/S02E05/gif/4uvgN0hiK7GY.gif

We need to lose that Sax solo :laugh:

[Beso]

It's her job to deport illegals and that is what she is doing - regardless of a rent-a mob in Glasgow.

She spoke about this today and mentioned the 2 illegals in Glashgow

Can people accuse her of hating them this time?

[Cherie]

But then we also provide more funding to it than most other countries which gets us our automatic place in the final

Always find that hard to square with the lack of effort we put in to finding a decent act

I didn’t even know that went on, what a farce!

[bots]

I didn’t even know that went on, what a farce!

there are something like 4 countries that always pay for it. UK and Germany, France and( Netherlands?) and they get a straight pass to the final. Given that Germany and the UK had the 2 worst songs it does make you wonder

[Liam-]

The big 5 are Germany, Spain, Italy, France and the U.K. because we all contribute the most towards the hosting and production, you would think that with us paying all that money to be a part of it, we’d actually take it as seriously as some of the other countries

[Crimson Dynamo]

he deserves nothing for turning up in a coat that Ray Winston would wear in a low budget gangster b-movie

[Beso]

It's her job to deport illegals and that is what she is doing - regardless of a rent-a mob in Glasgow.

She spoke about this today and mentioned the 2 illegals in Glashgow




Bout time she did her bloody job then and deported them.