Dominic Cummings Live Weds. 9:30AM Parliament Committee

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LBC Left Winger 10AM Live show.

Is starting his show,
Who do you trust Cummings or Johnson
or are they both rotten?



[COVID-19: Dominic Cummings repeats 'herd immunity' claims
after government denials
The fresh broadside by the ex-aide comes
as Home Secretary Priti Patel insists
it had "absolutely not" been the original policy.]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-dominic-cummings-repeats-herd-immunity-charge-after-government-denials-12314725

[Livia]

OH he's a lad, isn't he. When he worked for the Prime Minister everyone said he knew nothing. Now he's talking against the Prime Minister everyone thinks he speaks the truth.

[arista]

OH he's a lad, isn't he. When he worked for the Prime Minister everyone said he knew nothing. Now he's talking against the Prime Minister everyone thinks he speaks the truth.


Yes It will not be nice on Wednesday Morning

[arista]

Large Page, The Times
Max Hastings attacking Johnson.

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Today LIVE from 9:30AM
Live on SkyNewsHD & BBCnewsHD


Dom Gets his Revenge


Kung Flu

[joeysteele]

OH he's a lad, isn't he. When he worked for the Prime Minister everyone said he knew nothing. Now he's talking against the Prime Minister everyone thinks he speaks the truth.

Likewise there were CONS who thought he was the greatest thing since sliced bread when he was Johnson's most trusted and closest advisor.

Who now because he's saying negatives re Johnson and the government are turning on him.

Frankly I never have and never will believe or trust any of the grouping of Johnson, his Ministers or Cummings.

Some Cons didn't even condemn the ridiculous Barnard Castle fairytale.
While at the time he was apparently Johnson's trusted, in full, advisor.

I have no idea of your personal view of him at all, I don't think to be fair to you, you said much at all.
However possibly any hypocrisy is on both sides.

Not as to myself, since I neither like or trust or believe Johnson or Cummings.

The only thing I may be possibly right on, was at the time of the Barnard Castle fairytale, which Johnson fully supported him on too unbelievably.

I said I felt Cummings knew too much politically possibly damaging against this PM, which if he was ever discarded, he would start to reveal publicly somehow.

[Ammi]

…is there any hypocrisy or anything else …?…there are no more than a handful of posts and most of those are updates../…media stories….

…that doesn’t mean that there is ‘no truth’, it just means that he has no integrity when he was happy to be part of it all…less birds of a feather and more snakes of a slither….

[Livia]

Likewise there were CONS who thought he was the greatest thing since sliced bread when he was Johnson's most trusted and closest advisor.

Who now because he's saying negatives re Johnson and the government are turning on him.

Frankly I never have and never will believe or trust any of the grouping of Johnson, his Ministers or Cummings.

Some Cons didn't even condemn the ridiculous Barnard Castle fairytale.
While at the time he was apparently Johnson's trusted, in full, advisor.

I have no idea of your personal view of him at all, I don't think to be fair to you, you said much at all.
However possibly any hypocrisy is on both sides.

Not as to myself, since I neither like or trust or believe Johnson or Cummings.

The only thing I may be possibly right on, was at the time of the Barnard Castle fairytale, which Johnson fully supported him on too unbelievably.

I said I felt Cummings knew too much politically possibly damaging against this PM, which if he was ever discarded, he would start to reveal publicly somehow.

Not me, I always thought he was a weasel.

[joeysteele]

Not me, I always thought he was a weasel.

That's fair.
I said I didn't know your view of him.

I do as well, my position however is I think both he and Johnson are.

[bots]

Cummings is just sly and untrustworthy. He has an undemocratic agenda, i wouldn't believe a word he says, so you can take it from that, i will be avoiding all nuggets that come out from today

[AnnieK]

OH he's a lad, isn't he. When he worked for the Prime Minister everyone said he knew nothing. Now he's talking against the Prime Minister everyone thinks he speaks the truth.

To be honest, when he worked for the Gov, most people on here thought he had some serious dirt on the PM which was why there was not more made of his "Barnard Castle" jaunt.

He is a weasel

[Crimson Dynamo]

he just said the goverment fell disastrously short of what the gen public expect from a government in a crisis


sounds bad, sure

but how does he know what the gen public expect from a government in a crisis?

[arista]

Hunt MP
is trying to pin him down

[Cherie]

He doesn't sound very convincing :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Hunt MP
is trying to pin him down

Hunt who himself criticised the Government in the pandemic last year..
Now back crawling to the government.

Hunt was a shocking Health secretary himself, caused unrest and division .

[arista]

He doesn't sound very convincing :laugh:


The Problem is he Grassing up all the medical team.


All the Front Pages,
tomorrow

[arista]

Hunt who himself criticised the Government in the pandemic last year..
Now back crawling to the government.

Hunt was a shocking Health secretary himself, caused unrest and division .



Yes very true

[arista]

There was No Plan - Dom says.


We all know that

Give us the Beef..............................

[Zizu]

I was always under the impression that Cummings was a brilliant mind ... but not a politician now he keeps putting himself down literally saying ‘ I’m not a very smart guy ‘ and “I struggled to understand a lot of what was being discussed in the SAGE meetings “

All very strange ..


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[arista]

I was always under the impression that Cummings was a brilliant mind ... but not a politician now he keeps putting himself down literally saying ‘ I’m not a very smart guy ‘ and “I struggled to understand a lot of what was being discussed in the SAGE meetings “

All very strange ..






Yes a back room Adviser
Able to answer a phone call from the BBC.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Analysis: Cummings' day of chaos is wrong - what else is too?

The most extraordinary part of Dominic Cummings' evidence so far has been his
colourful description of Downing Street disengaging from Covid on March 12 last year
because of a possible US bombing of Iraq and the PM's girlfriend going "crackers" about
a story in The Times about Dilyn the dog.

The only problem is that Cummings has got his dates wrong, writes Gordon Rayner.


The Dilyn the dog story actually appeared in the Times on March 11, the day before,
meaning the picture of chaos he paints cannot be right.

It's a serious accusation to level at his former colleagues, and a clear attempt to get
revenge on Ms Symonds, who he blames in part for his ousting last November.

For someone who rages about the media getting things wrong, shouldn't he have made
sure he got his facts straight about such an important point? He has had six months to
prepare for this moment, so nailing down dates with a quick Google search should have
been possible.

Telegraph

[Cherie]

I was always under the impression that Cummings was a brilliant mind ... but not a politician now he keeps putting himself down literally saying ‘ I’m not a very smart guy ‘ and “I struggled to understand a lot of what was being discussed in the SAGE meetings “

All very strange ..


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its the ...if I were PM I would have done this.

I suggested this and that....and I hope they are doing it now

yes I am not a smart guy :facepalm:

[Cherie]

finally someone asking him if the data and predictions was so bad why was he driving around the country with his family

[Cherie]

Did he just say that Remain should have won, he campaigned for Brexit?

[arista]

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['Carrie was going completely crackers': Cummings claims
that on day Downing Street was convulsed
over looming pandemic and Trump
demand that we bomb the Middle East]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9620569/Carrie-going-completely-crackers-Dom-Cummings-blasts-PMs-fiancee-distracting-him.html

[bots]

why is anyone interested in what he has to say, really? It's impossible to know what is fact and fiction with him

[joeysteele]

why is anyone interested in what he has to say, really? It's impossible to know what is fact and fiction with him

As it is, with the man who employed him as his most closest and trusted advisor then.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Keir let him off(again)

The SNP chap was much better

[UserSince2005]

hes just mad boris prefers carrie's bjs

[Crimson Dynamo]

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['Carrie was going completely crackers': Cummings claims
that on day Downing Street was convulsed
over looming pandemic and Trump
demand that we bomb the Middle East]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9620569/Carrie-going-completely-crackers-Dom-Cummings-blasts-PMs-fiancee-distracting-him.html

unfortunately, he got his dates wrong trying to get revenge on Carrie

nasty spiteful man

[Crimson Dynamo]

No surprise that useless Handcock has been exposed

[rusticgal]

Cummings is just sly and untrustworthy. He has an undemocratic agenda, i wouldn't believe a word he says, so you can take it from that, i will be avoiding all nuggets that come out from today


I completely agree. How anyone can believe him after his pathetic lies during lockdown.
Like Livia said he is the ultimate Weasel...

[Cherie]

The boot he is putting into Hancock and Carrie :laugh:

[arista]

The boot he is putting into Hancock and Carrie :laugh:



Yes he is getting it all out.

[rusticgal]

It sounds like he is a bit bitter and twisted and hell bent on revenge...:laugh:

[Cherie]

It sounds like he is a bit bitter and twisted and hell bent on revenge...:laugh:

I just wonder how he is ever employable again as he is not to be trusted

[Tom4784]

why is anyone interested in what he has to say, really? It's impossible to know what is fact and fiction with him

He is odious, but he should testify, it'll be for the solicitors to siphon fact from fiction.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is odious, but he should testify, it'll be for the solicitors to siphon fact from fiction.

It will be very interesting to hear what Matt Handcock says to all this

[Zizu]

He is odious, but he should testify, it'll be for the solicitors to siphon fact from fiction.



That’s the trouble with these enquiries .. this is all just from his viewpoint / recollection .. it could be complete fabrication or massively exaggerated.

Beth Rigby is having a field day on Twitter as we speak ... given her recent suspension I expected her to be more reserved but no she’s doing her usual wise after the event scaremongering all based on one man’s recollections ?!?

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[arista]

It will be very interesting to hear what Matt Hancock says to all this


He will not talk about Cummings
they hate each other.

[Tom4784]

It will be very interesting to hear what Matt Handcock says to all this

The Matt Hancock stuff is pretty believable, but then again, Priti Patel was was found guilty of horrific bullying by an independent investigation and nothing happened to her, so I doubt anything will happen to Matt Hancock. This government isn't big on enforcing accountability.

[joeysteele]

One thing he's dead right on is the disgraceful delay of any public inquiry not even beginning for almost a year yet.
He's spot on as to that.
It is a mighty insult to those who have lost loved ones unnecessarily because of Johnson and his government's actions or inactions.

He got that dead right.
No need for it to be delayed by this deceitful PM for another year at least.

Johnson knows what evidence is coming from the families, who got it quickly too, even before they lost their loved ones unnecessarily , that's why it's being held off.
It's why he never met with them either!!!!.

[arista]

One thing he's dead right on is the disgraceful delay of any public inquiry not even beginning for almost a year yet.
He's spot on as to that.
It is a mighty insult to those who have lost loved ones unnecessarily because of Johnson and his government's actions or inactions.

He got that dead right.
No need for it to be delayed by this deceitful PM for another year at least.

Johnson knows what evidence is coming from the families, who got it quickly too, even before they lost their loved ones unnecessarily , that's why it's being held off.
It's why he never met with them either!!!!.



The Problem is
this 4 Hour Committee (Over Long)
is a Mini Public Covid-19 Inquiry.

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[Zizu]

It will be very interesting to hear what Matt Handcock says to all this



I’m half expecting Hancock to resign before the day’s out


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[arista]

I’m half expecting Hancock to resign before the day’s out





Look Hancock
hates Cummings


He will ignore anything on him.

[Zizu]

Look Hancock

hates Cummings





He will ignore anything on him.



He won’t be able to ignore the public backlash .. the media will be in meltdown with this until the Euros come round :)


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[Tom4784]

Matt Hancock's a tory, I doubt there will be much of a backlash against him.

[bots]

hancock has always been the fall guy for any inquiry. He wont resign and he wont be sacked until this is over

[Oliver_W]

Matt Hancock's a tory, I doubt there will be much of a backlash against him.

Let's hope he gets all the backlash and criticism he deserves. In cases like this, I'm sure people can step beyond the tribalistic simplicity of think "he's a Tory, so let's defend him" and he'll actually see consequences...

[arista]

Cummings Live again

After a 20 mins break,
back again

6 Hours of this
too much.

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[arista]

This is a possible Thursday Front Page Still

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

Let's hope he gets all the backlash and criticism he deserves. In cases like this, I'm sure people can step beyond the tribalistic simplicity of think "he's a Tory, so let's defend him" and he'll actually see consequences...

He put his faith in vaccines, this time last year he was being laughed at

[Tom4784]

Let's hope he gets all the backlash and criticism he deserves. In cases like this, I'm sure people can step beyond the tribalistic simplicity of think "he's a Tory, so let's defend him" and he'll actually see consequences...

You'd think so, but I have little hope in that happening.

[Cherie]

And no way will he resign, Matty comes out fighting when cornered :laugh:

[arista]

Live on
Both News Channel
Conservative MP
said "You little Disingenuous F. *********"
a written down quote

BBCnewsHD Cut in with an Apology.


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[bots]

i can't work out what that represents .... i was never any good at hangman :laugh:

[arista]

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Hancock out on is Early AM run
did not want to talk about Dom.

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[arista]

7 Hours of This?

[bots]

Loads of people tried to get rid of Cummings and failed miserably so Carry gets my thanks for getting shot of him

[arista]

Early AM today.


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[Cherie]

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Gosh she really got under his skin, Carrie :clap1:

[arista]

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[Cherie]

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no eye contact, head down :suspect: where is Judy James when you need her

Matty will be raging

[arista]

From Early Today :

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[bots]

used them as shields my arse. Whitty and Valance are both very capable of putting across the points they want to make and would never take the fall for hancock. These are clever men that know the game

[arista]

The Lady on the Panel
asked Dom if he Thought
the PM was Fit and Proper


Dominic simply said "no"

[arista]

used them as shields my arse. Whitty and Valance are both very capable of putting across the points they want to make and would never take the fall for hancock. These are clever men that know the game



Yes Whitty and Valance are Safe


Hancock to get Sacked after the Official Inquiry.

[bots]

what i would say is if he was so disillusioned with the way the pandemic was being handled, why did he stay working for Boris. He had the opportunity to go during the spec savers incident and fought like fury to stay ... Sorry Dom, it doesn't tie up

[joeysteele]

Actually most of the time except for referring to his notes, he is looking directly at the questioner, and at the others present too.

He's looking pretty confident in his dealing with the questions.
His former employer, wouldn't even attempt to answer a question properly.

Amazing how to Cons, this guy is now wrong, despite the man Johnson declaring Cummings as having full integrity.

They'll defend Johnson though.
Unbelievable.

[joeysteele]

The Problem is
this 4 Hour Committee (Over Long)
is a Mini Public Covid-19 Inquiry.

Mini, being the operative word.

It hasn't and can't hear from many other important and vital sources.

[Cherie]

what i would say is if he was so disillusioned with the way the pandemic was being handled, why did he stay working for Boris. He had the opportunity to go during the spec savers incident and fought like fury to stay ... Sorry Dom, it doesn't tie up

Prefect time for him to leave, made a tit of himself in the Rose Garden instead

[arista]

Mini, being the operative word.

It hasn't and can't hear from many other important and vital sources.


Also its now 7 Hours of Dominic


Including Live the F word from a Cheeky
Conservative MP

[Cherie]

Watching him live now, his eyes are darting like a cornered fox, he is not holding eye contact

[arista]

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[arista]

SkyNewsHD Jon Craig

Tomorrow Labour Shadow Health Jonathan Ashworth MP
has booked Live in Parliament Urgent Question to Matt Hancock?

The Reporter not sure if Hancock will appear?
Could send another MP.

[Zizu]

Watching him live now, his eyes are darting like a cornered fox, he is not holding eye contact



What’s your take on Hunt ??

His eyes really unsettle me :)


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[Cherie]

What’s your take on Hunt ??

His eyes really unsettle me :)


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Slimey :laugh:

[Cherie]

Dom is now saying it was for reasons of security he went to Durham...handy it happened at Easter

[Zizu]

SkyNewsHD Jon Craig

Tomorrow Labour Shadow Health Jonathan Ashworth MP
has booked Live in Parliament Urgent Question to Matt Hancock?

The Reporter not sure if Hancock will appear?
Could send another MP.



Hell’s teeth .

What a meeting of the minds .

Matt Hancock & Jonathan Ashworth

I hope they’re given some paper and crayons to hold their attention.


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[joeysteele]

Hell’s teeth .

What a meeting of the minds .

Matt Hancock & Jonathan Ashworth

I hope they’re given some paper and crayons to hold their attention.


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:joker::joker: oh it's a very serious issue.

However I had to smile when I saw arista say Ashworth was appearing.
I thought straight of you and your likely response. Zizu.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Every death the the complete fault of the Chinese Communist party . cChina made the virus, they let it escape from a lab and then they covered up this fact and how dangerous it was.

Let's get it straight

CHINA IS TO BLAME

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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Says the unelected advisor...

[arista]

Says the unelected advisor...


Special Advisor


He Won Brexit.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Special Advisor


He Won Brexit.

Good news today about Nissan jobs in Sunderland

[rusticgal]

Dom is now saying it was for reasons of security he went to Durham...handy it happened at Easter



Lies...lies and more lies.

[arista]

Lies...lies and more lies.


No,
he did have a Security Problem
thanks to endless Press hanging outside his home.

Then Loads went down that road
shouting they will kill him and his family,
that went on TV news, at that time.



In the Rose Garden event he was not able to say
about threats to his family home.

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[arista]

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Watch Live


Cross Question hour Live with Ian Dale

[joeysteele]

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Nice to see like myself the public in that poll don't trust at all both of them.
Not that to me polls mean much at all.


Beats me how 40%+ still would vote for Johnson then.

No understanding possible for me as to the minds of hard-line Con supporters however

[Tom4784]

It's kind of sad to see so many people discount what's being said because their loyalty to Boris and the Tories overwrites their common sense (and their morality).

Dominic Cummings is gross, but it's always worth paying heed to someone in his position, he knows that people won't believe him, that the tory cult will paint him out to be the devil and that it would be easier for him to toe that line rather than set fire to it but he did it anyway. Why? It's probably because there's more than a little bit of truth in what he's saying.

[Zizu]

Has the Hancock not resigned yet ??


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Checking facts vs Cummings’s claims reveals major flaws in his evidence

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2021/05/26/240521_EL_BORISCUMMINGS_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqBrLFYIpv rVkg-3i7G5QYcQIPjkq5mzrihZOCth12SfA.jpg?imwidth=500

Isn’t hindsight a marvellous thing?


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/26/checking-facts-vs-cummingss-claims-reveals-major-flaws-evidence/

[joeysteele]

It's kind of sad to see so many people discount what's being said because their loyalty to Boris and the Tories overwrites their common sense (and their morality).

Dominic Cummings is gross, but it's always worth paying heed to someone in his position, he knows that people won't believe him, that the tory cult will paint him out to be the devil and that it would be easier for him to toe that line rather than set fire to it but he did it anyway. Why? It's probably because there's more than a little bit of truth in what he's saying.

What I did appreciate was his confirmation of what hundreds of thousands at least of those left bereaved know already, that their loved ones lives were lost unnecessarily.

We KNOW that, we who have lost loved ones unnecessarily, we have the evidence ready to produce to the full public inquiry.

I share Cummings belief that it's a disgrace the public inquiry is not even looking at being started until another year almost.

Plus, I appreciated him running himself down too.

Also too, when asked, he said he had documented evidence he would hand to this inquiry.
He will have gathered all he needed, no doubt I have as to that.

It is no surprise to me that hard-line Cons and the more closet hard-line Cons.
Will do all they can to shield Johnson now dismissing Cummings.
They won't allow any criticism of Johnson and his deceitful Cabinet.

Johnson himself who described Cummings as a man of integrity.

[Crimson Dynamo]

britain is looking forward not back

this bitter man is tomorrows chip paper

[joeysteele]

britain is looking forward not back

this bitter man is tomorrows chip paper

So you hope to protect Johnson.

Next year much more to come far more damning too in the full public inquiry.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So you hope to protect Johnson.

Next year much more to come far more damning too in the full public inquiry.

the blame lies with China

the GBP know who is to blame

[AnnieK]

britain is looking forward not back

this bitter man is tomorrows chip paper

You defended his actions when he took his jaunt to Durham....do you now accept that was an abuse.of his position?

[Crimson Dynamo]

You defended his actions when he took his jaunt to Durham....do you now accept that was an abuse.of his position?

Why has his story changed?

[Zizu]

So Matt Hancock hasn’t resigned as I expected but he has come out fighting !!

Apparently he hasn’t seen the Cummings evidence footage as he’s been getting the vaccines out all day ... saving lives !!

Says he will be giving a statement tomorrow...

Guess he’s in for a sleepless night


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[arista]

Has the Hancock not resigned yet ??




No
he is due to be in Parliament
facing the shadow health minister today
early 10:30AM.



[Mr Hancock is set to appear in the House of Commons
at around 10:30 BST to answer an urgent question
tabled by Labour about the government's handling of Covid.
He is also expected to lead a coronavirus press
conference later in the day.
Labour's shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth
said Mr Cummings' "very grave allegations" appeared
to be "well-founded" and the health secretary
would have to "give us an explanation" in order
for the country to "maintain confidence in him".]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57262790


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[Ammi]

…a senior advisor for ineptness revealing how inept it’s all been and how life loss could have all been reduced…which is something that has already been figured out, that our life loss is what it is…it would be laughable if it wasn’t all so horrendous while serving themselves and their careers….

…it’s like the opposite of Spartacus…he’s Spartacus…no it was him ….when they’ve all played their part..

[bots]

as the chief advisor, you would expect him to take at least a little responsibility for strategies during the pandemic. If I remember correctly, Tory mp's and others were concerned that he had too much influence on decision making, it can't go both ways

[Ammi]

…at least the Independent and the Times have reasonable headlines…yes I understand this would generally be the thing to bring in that mockery and those puns with the headlines, it’s all too ironic with all of them…no sir, it was him…but this is beyond punnery and mockery with the life loss the country has sustained under the decision making of those self serving awful people…

[hijaxers]

So Matt Hancock hasn’t resigned as I expected but he has come out fighting !!

Apparently he hasn’t seen the Cummings evidence footage as he’s been getting the vaccines out all day ... saving lives !!

Says he will be giving a statement tomorrow...

Guess he’s in for a sleepless night


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Yes just loved how he said I've not seen his 'performance'

You Mr Hancock should resign !

[Zizu]

…at least the Independent and the Times have reasonable headlines…yes I understand this would generally be the thing to bring in that mockery and those puns with the headlines, it’s all too ironic with all of them…no sir, it was him…but this is beyond punnery and mockery with the life loss the country has sustained under the decision making of those self serving awful people…



Do we know how much of his version of events was correct / honest / reliable?


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[Zizu]

Sooooo ... are all countries having their own enquiry / witch-hunts or is it just us ??


It’s not as though we are the only country to have high numbers of infections and deaths .


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[arista]

Around 10:30AM
The Health Secretary is live in Parliament
for Labour's Urgent Question.

[bots]

hancock did lie, everyone knows he did. The problem is that he doesn't care. He won't resign, there will be an enquiry later which he can always refer to and Boris wont sack him cause he needs someone to blame

[Kazanne]

Just revenge attacks imo, and tittle tattle again from the media and a scorned wannabee. Nothing new here , he's changed his story, he just thinks he could have been better than anyone else.

[joeysteele]

Just revenge attacks imo, and tittle tattle again from the media and a scorned wannabee. Nothing new here , he's changed his story, he just thinks he could have been better than anyone else.

Why am I not surprised at your statement there.
Anything to protect Johnson and the Cons.
I didn't see you condemning Cummings with him breaking lockdown rules.

My family,MY FAMILY have evidence to present to any public inquiry when YOUR Johnson DARE to open it up.
That along with thousands of other Families show their loved ones lives were lost unnecessarily by official and government incompetence.

Thankfully most got their evidence quickly before any doctoring of documentation was able to be done.

It may well be revenge, if he's now admitting as he did yesterday he got things wrong, badly wrong, and that others did .
I welcomed that!!!
Plus at last someone in the know of government at the time now admitting thousands of loved ones lives were lost unnecessarily.
Maybe you don't the give a damn about that,those who've lost loved ones that way do most certainly.

Hard-line Cons supporting this extreme PM are unbelievable
Always denying what seems while not knowing or bothered as to what is.
Just to deflect criticism of the most politically dishonest and most deceitful PM ever likely in this Country.

I don't now care if your lot jump in on me for this post, or even if I get another infraction for defending my own.
I'll fight for my loved ones and even moreso the loved ones who've been robbed of their lives too soon.

[joeysteele]

…at least the Independent and the Times have reasonable headlines…yes I understand this would generally be the thing to bring in that mockery and those puns with the headlines, it’s all too ironic with all of them…no sir, it was him…but this is beyond punnery and mockery with the life loss the country has sustained under the decision making of those self serving awful people…


Dead right Ammi.
Thank you for your reasoned understanding.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So Dominic Cumings says 10s of thousands more died and people believe him?

without a scrap of evidence?

just his say so?

what is his scientific qualification?

[Kazanne]

Why am I not surprised at your statement there.
Anything to protect Johnson and the Cons.
I didn't see you condemning Cummings with him breaking lockdown rules.

My family,MY FAMILY have evidence to present to any public inquiry when YOUR Johnson DARE to open it up.
That along with thousands of other Families show their loved ones lives were lost unnecessarily by official and government incompetence.

Thankfully most got their evidence quickly before any doctoring of documentation was able to be done.

It may well be revenge, if he's now admitting as he did yesterday he got things wrong, badly wrong, and that others did .
I welcomed that!!!
Plus at last someone in the know of government at the time now admitting thousands of loved ones lives were lost unnecessarily.
Maybe you don't the give a damn about that,those who've lost loved ones that way do most certainly.

Hard-line Cons supporting this extreme PM are unbelievable
Always denying what seems while not knowing or bothered as to what is.
Just to deflect criticism of the most politically dishonest and most deceitful PM ever likely in this Country.

I don't now care if your lot jump in on me for this post, or even if I get another infraction for defending my own.
I'll fight for my loved ones and even moreso the loved ones who've been robbed of their lives too soon.


I am allowed an opinion and imo he is just pissed he was sacked, are we to believe the press now and him,I thought we all agreed with the M&H debarcle that the press were scum !!! Did i defend him ? but even if i did we thought he was telling the truth he has now said he lied so why would I believe him now , and why didn't he come forward with all this before he got the sack,he s not a credible source imo.This isn't about the PM, I think we know your feelings on the PM,that is your right,this is about the credibility of Cummings, you can try as much as you want Joey to turn my thoughts about the Conservatives but IMO they are the best of a bad bunch, labour themselves condemned Cummings ,and now they suddenly believe him,strange that.

[bots]

So Dominic Cumings says 10s of thousands more died and people believe him?

without a scrap of evidence?

just his say so?

what is his scientific qualification?

exactly. I feel for Joey, people have died and we all want to blame some one. I lost a dear friend too, but Cummings is playing on that frustration, which is equally bad if not worse.

[joeysteele]

I am allowed an opinion and imo he is just pissed he was sacked, are we to believe the press now and him,I thought we all agreed with the M&H debarcle that the press were scum !!! Did i defend him ? but even if i did we thought he was telling the truth he has now said he lied so why would I believe him now , and why didn't he come forward with all this before he got the sack,he s not a credible source imo.This isn't about the PM, I think we know your feelings on the PM,that is your right,this is about the credibility of Cummings, you can try as much as you want Joey to turn my thoughts about the Conservatives but IMO they are the best of a bad bunch, labour themselves condemned Cummings ,and now they suddenly believe him,strange that.


Of course he won't be a credible source to you.. he's attacking your PM.
Who should be above criticism.
I'm not going to waste my time.
I'll avoid all your posts in future.

As to bots too..
I don't know if who you lost was lost because of contracting covid from infected patients sent back to care homes and infecting others there including staff.

All losses of life are crushing and I was saddened to learn of your loss.

When a loss of life shouldn't have happened at all even worse.
Which we as a family and thousands of other families know for certain did now.

Cummings only confirmed yesterday what those thousands of families have known from their own evidence for near a year now.
I've actually been saying it since I came back on here in June last year.

You and Kazanne can choose to diminish and dismiss my points all you wish..
I have a still heartbroken Mother at home who'll never be the same after losing her Sister.

Who also knows that Sister would be here now without being put in danger by this PM and his government's policy.

Now you and Kazanne can do all you can to deflect from the PMs attitude to this all you like.

Don't though insult us with people want to blame someone.
I wish I didn't have to blame anyone, however from the evidence I have and as a family we have.
We know we have to.

You defend Johnson all you like.

We know for certain, and the public inquiry will as well when we eventually get to put our case to it, when the PM you voted for, dares get it opened that is.

I'd be as furious if Corbyn or any other political leader had acted so incompetently and dangerously on this.
It's not about blaming anyone at all..
That is grossly insulting from you frankly.

To lose anyone unnecessarily should never be acceptable.
I doubt it would be even to you, if this had been a Labour or Lib Dem. government in power.
Rather than your Con one..
I couldn't care what government it is.
This one has robbed my family of 2 members by incompetently putting them in danger in care homes with no protection.

Diminish that and dismiss it all you wish to deflect criticism from this PM.
I never will.

[Kazanne]

Of course he won't be a credible source to you.. he's attacking your PM.
Who should be above criticism.
I'm not going to waste my time.
I'll avoid all your posts in future.

As to bots too..
I don't know if who you lost was lost because of contracting covid from infected patients sent back to care homes and infecting others there including staff.

All losses of life are crushing and I was saddened to learn of your loss.

When a loss of life shouldn't have happened at all even worse.
Which we as a family and thousands of other families know for certain did now.

Cummings only confirmed yesterday what those thousands of families have known from their own evidence for near a year now.
I've actually been saying it since I came back on here in June last year.

You and Kazanne can choose to diminish and dismiss my points all you wish..
I have a still heartbroken Mother at home who'll never be the same after losing her Sister.

Who also knows that Sister would be here now without being put in danger by this PM and his government's policy.

Now you and Kazanne can do all you can to deflect from the PMs attitude to this all you like.

Don't though insult us with people want to blame someone.
I wish I didn't have to blame anyone, however from the evidence I have and as a family we have.
We know we have to.

You defend Johnson all you like.

We know for certain, and the public inquiry will as well when we eventually get to put our case to it, when the PM you voted for, dares get it opened that is.

I'd be as furious if Corbyn or any other political leader had acted so incompetently and dangerously on this.
It's not about blaming anyone at all..
That is grossly insulting from you frankly.

To lose anyone unnecessarily should never be acceptable.
I doubt it would be even to you, if this had been a Labour or Lib Dem. government in power.
Rather than your Con one..
I couldn't care what government it is.
This one has robbed my family of 2 members by incompetently putting them in danger in care homes with no protection.

Diminish that and dismiss it all you wish to deflect criticism from this PM.
I never will.

No one is dismissing your experience,Bots even said he felt for you,but really I have also lost , I think most people will know someone who has passed due to covid, no one is defending anything,i just dont think Cummings is a credible source, but isnt it really silly to not speak to someone because they have a different opinion Joey,we have known each other a long time,we have agreed and disagreed that is how it should be I dont understand the hostility tbh,but its your right to ignore me.:wavey:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eba5n65WAAEcPfV.jpg

Stupid Woman (Beverley Turner) on ITV1HD this morning
said if he had said he had to leave London
his keep his family safe, it would have been fine.

She missed the bit when yesterday
Cummings said he was not Permitted to say
about his Security problem in the Rose Garden Conference

[DouglasS]

Just revenge attacks imo, and tittle tattle again from the media and a scorned wannabee. Nothing new here , he's changed his story, he just thinks he could have been better than anyone else.

He’s clearly very bitter, funny as wel as everyone was blasting him and demanding he be fired when he broke lockdown rules at the very height of the pandemic and lockdown, now they’re praising him just because he doesn’t like the PM suddenly :laugh:

[joeysteele]

He’s clearly very bitter, funny as wel as everyone was blasting him and demanding he be fired when he broke lockdown rules at the very height of the pandemic and lockdown, now they’re praising him just because he doesn’t like the PM suddenly :laugh:

Wrong,everyone isn't praising him.

I'm not., He did highlight yesterday what I and thousands of other families have known for near a year now.
That's all.
He confirmed what we were told and found out via official sources and medical records got quickly.

Other than that I have no respect for Cummings.

What is interesting though, are those who deflected from and defended him who are Con supporters at the time he broke lockdown rules.
Against those of us who didn't and found his story ridiculous.
Those Cons now against him because he dares criticise the PM.

At least he didn't just criticise the PM and useless Hancock.
However he did criticise himself too, taking blame in part on himself rightly too.

No wrong however, not everyone.
I consider Cummings and Johnson as actually creeps.
Not just one both of them.

[Ammi]

…a senior advisor for ineptness revealing how inept it’s all been and how life loss could have all been reduced…which is something that has already been figured out, that our life loss is what it is…it would be laughable if it wasn’t all so horrendous while serving themselves and their careers….

…it’s like the opposite of Spartacus…he’s Spartacus…no it was him ….when they’ve all played their part..

…just to say that things being said by Cummings are things that have been said all along by many and nothing is being said now ‘because he said’…the irony of it is in him saying it …is that he was part of it and ‘senior advisor’ to it all…as I said, it would be laughable if it wasn’t so horrendous…

[joeysteele]

…just to say that things being said by Cummings are things that have been said all along by many and nothing is being said now ‘because he said’…the irony of it is in him saying it …is that he was part of it and ‘senior advisor’ to it all…as I said, it would be laughable if it wasn’t so horrendous…

Spot on again.
Thank you.
I've never said anything different for near a year on here now Ammi.

[smudgie]

Didn’t believe him then and have no reason to believe him now.
Prior to him leaving, any mistakes that had been made he was part of.
Nasty bitter man.

[arista]

The Prime Minister Both News Channels
has spoken with a Mask on
while at a Hospital Visit.

He will not Comment on Cummings

[Zizu]

I am allowed an opinion and imo he is just pissed he was sacked, are we to believe the press now and him,I thought we all agreed with the M&H debarcle that the press were scum !!! Did i defend him ? but even if i did we thought he was telling the truth he has now said he lied so why would I believe him now , and why didn't he come forward with all this before he got the sack,he s not a credible source imo.This isn't about the PM, I think we know your feelings on the PM,that is your right,this is about the credibility of Cummings, you can try as much as you want Joey to turn my thoughts about the Conservatives but IMO they are the best of a bad bunch, labour themselves condemned Cummings ,and now they suddenly believe him,strange that.



It’s all rather bizarre isn’t it :)

Labour plus press / media now quoting everything Cummings said ...as GOSPEL !!

I’d expect nothing less from Kier Starmer
but shouldn’t the press be careful what they’re writing / printing ??

Nothing has been proved one way or another as yet


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[Crimson Dynamo]

This BBC report details all the nasty things China Government did to hide the danger of Covid from the west - this robbed the UK and the rest of the world of a chance to prepare. By the time we knew of the real dangers the virus was all over our country

China Covid-19: How state media and censorship took on coronavirus

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55355401

[arista]

This BBC report details all the nasty things China Government did to hide the danger of Covid from the west - this robbed the UK and the rest of the world of a chance to prepare. By the time we knew of the real dangers the virus was all over our country

China Covid-19: How state media and censorship took on coronavirus

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55355401



Yes China
Far worse than the UK

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2Y8XXHX0AI2w0x?format=jpg&name=small

[Crimson Dynamo]

'Fake news' no longer: Facebook lifts ban on suggesting COVID-19 was man-made after
Biden orders intel agencies to probe whether coronavirus leaked from Wuhan lab

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9623419/Facebook-lifts-ban-user-comments-COVID-19-man-made.html#comments

[Cherie]

'Fake news' no longer: Facebook lifts ban on suggesting COVID-19 was man-made after
Biden orders intel agencies to probe whether coronavirus leaked from Wuhan lab

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9623419/Facebook-lifts-ban-user-comments-COVID-19-man-made.html#comments

well then

it's what makes most sense, why cover up something that was a natural occurence

[Kazanne]

It’s all rather bizarre isn’t it :)

Labour plus press / media now quoting everything Cummings said ...as GOSPEL !!

I’d expect nothing less from Kier Starmer
but shouldn’t the press be careful what they’re writing / printing ??

Nothing has been proved one way or another as yet


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Yes ,Zizu,The press are useless at conveying the truth,as i said when it comes to harry and Megan the press are scum now all of a sudden its fact,lol,the bloke lied and that from his own mouth,he cannot be trusted, plus he was sacked so is out for revenge,imo.:wavey:

[Beso]

Dominic cummings can remember word for word what many different people have said, but cant remember if he ever attended a cobra meeting.


The mans full of ****.

[rusticgal]

Didn’t believe him then and have no reason to believe him now.
Prior to him leaving, any mistakes that had been made he was part of.
Nasty bitter man.


I couldnt agree more.

No Government was prepared for this Pandemic...no matter who was in Government mistakes would have been made and lives would have been lost as a result. I can pretty much guarantee that other countries have made the same mistakes by not reacting quicker. Mistakes were made, sadly they cost lives but none of it was deliberate.
What I cant stand is the behaviour of this pathetic man. The pathetic stories he told when he broke lockdown...he sat there and lied to EVERYBODY and now as he dishes the dirt and 'squeals' on his former party and finally admitting to lying to us all over breaking lockdown....he has nothing going for him whatsoever...he is just a nasty, lying bitter man.

[Tom4784]

britain is looking forward not back

this bitter man is tomorrows chip paper

Looking back is how you learn to not repeat the same mistakes in the future.

[Cherie]

Dominic cummings can remember word for word what many different people have said, but cant remember if he ever attended a cobra meeting.


The mans full of ****.

:joker:

[Tom4784]

Yes ,Zizu,The press are useless at conveying the truth,as i said when it comes to harry and Megan the press are scum now all of a sudden its fact,lol,the bloke lied and that from his own mouth,he cannot be trusted, plus he was sacked so is out for revenge,imo.:wavey:

The fact you can't tell the difference between celebrity gossip and political coverage says a lot, it's really quite grim you think that gossip columns about a celeb couple are the same as political reporting.

If someone who was in the inner circle is alleging such serious accusations, it's worth paying heed to, worth investigating. Choosing to ignore it because it doesn't bode well for you beloved Boris is choosing to be ignorant.

[Livia]

The term for him is: disgruntled employee.

[bots]

The media have been on a mission all through the pandemic, anyone that denies that is kidding themselves

There will be an inquiry. People will have a chance to air their views. Cummings has a clear agenda and everything he utters should be framed with that in mind

[Tom4784]

The media have been on a mission all through the pandemic, anyone that denies that is kidding themselves

There will be an inquiry. People will have a chance to air their views. Cummings has a clear agenda and everything he utters should be framed with that in mind

What mission is that? Because from what I've seen, the major publications have been all too easy on the tories considering all the **** ups and outright corruption we've seen so far. If this was another party, the media would have crucified them by now.

I trust Cummings as far as I could throw him, but it makes little sense to go up there and lie through his teeth when common sense dictates that people will be looking for reasons to discount him from the off due to their Tory loyalty/indoctrination. There's enough reason to investigate his claims and as long as it's not a kangaroo court that handles it, I'd be willing to bet that a lot of his claims won't be completely off base, whether that will have any affect on the tory voters is another issue.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The only one that will have traction is the care homes one

[arista]

Now its Cummings mate
Gove MP is in the Committee in Parliament.

Both news channels

[joeysteele]

Now its Cummings mate
Gove MP is in the Committee in Parliament.

Both news channels

Oh crumbs here's another one.
I'm surprised Cummings had NOTHING to say about this dinosaur.

[Beso]

It's funny how all the weird looking ones get all the flack.

Gove
Johnson
Cummings
Hancock
Rees mogg

[AnnieK]

Why has his story changed?

He has admitted he lied did he not? So I'd say his story has changed, yes.

[Kizzy]

He lied, the PM knew he lied, which makes boris complicit in the lie.
Not fit for office imo.

[joeysteele]

He lied, the PM knew he lied, which makes boris complicit in the lie.
Not fit for office imo.

Oh Kizzy, Johnson does nothing wrong though you know.
Yeah right.

Of course Johnson is complicit in all the deceit and lies of his Ministers and advisors.

However he's also the perfect example of it because he's given them his perfect example of it too.

[Tom4784]

It was grim looking at my facebook when all this was going on, so many people were angry, not at the accusations but at the fact that they considered Cummings a 'grass'.

They were unbothered about all the wrongdoing, they were just upset he brought light to all of it. Seeing stuff like that just reaffirms everything that I believe this country has become, weak, subservient, spineless.

[arista]

He lied, the PM knew he lied, which makes boris complicit in the lie.
Not fit for office imo.


Yes but
so many do not care about Cummings the Grass

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2dJlypXoAIdtmm?format=jpg&name=small

[Kizzy]

Yes but
so many do not care about Cummings the Grass

The truth will out..

What's all this 'grass' rubbish? If there has been wrongdoing by the PRIME minister, the highest seat in politics. Then that surely needs addressing?

Otherwise public faith in politicians and the establishment in general to be above reproach is built on nothing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2021/05/26/260521_WHITE_BOARD_LEAD_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqM37qcIWR 9CtrqmiMdQVx7JD0CH9ImNF9vs9GBP5AZ9M.jpg?imwidth=12 80

[Crimson Dynamo]

On Dominic Cummings’s infamous photo of a No10 white board, one can see,
referring to a scenario in which the NHS was overwhelmed, the words: “Who
do we not save?” The answer, one of

the great scandals of the pandemic, turned out to be care home residents.

Yesterday, Matt Hancock was grilled repeatedly over Mr Cummings’s accusation that the Government did not put a shield
around care homes as promised – and it was claimed that the Health Secretary

lied to the Prime Minister about patients being tested before they were discharged back into them. For 24 hours, Mr Hancock
talked about being willing to give answers without straightforwardly supplying one.

On March 19, 2020, hospitals were required by the NHS and the Department of Health and Social Care to start discharging as many patients as they could in

order to free up beds. Between mid-March and mid-April, 25,000 people were released into care homes: there was no
requirement to test. Many other countries made a similar mistake, it is true – nevertheless, the Office for National Statistics
later calculated that care homes

accounted for roughly half of our excess deaths between March 7 and September 18. The policy was reversed on April 15.


Mr Hancock’s half explanation of this horrific blunder is that testing would have been nice but that Britain did not have the
capacity for it yet. In fact, testing was not the only problem: early advice given to the care sector was remarkably lax and the
Government took its time to advise against visits by

those who were “generally unwell”. All that aside, even if the testing capacity was not in place in hospitals, the question still
stands: why on Earth did the NHS release potentially sick patients, some of the most vulnerable, back into the one place
where the virus was guaranteed to thrive?

Mr Hancock appeared reluctant to be drawn on whether he assured Boris Johnson that patients were being tested at that
precise moment or would be in the future – it seems it was more of an aspiration than a fact – but the public, and particularly
those who lost loved ones, has a right to know. If the attitude was that the lives of one set of patients could be placed in
jeopardy in order to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed – something that, in the event, did not happen – that would
have totally inverted the basic principles of healthcare.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2021/05/28/matt-hancock-has-not-answered-important-questions-nursing-homes/

[joeysteele]

The truth will out..

What's all this 'grass' rubbish? If there has been wrongdoing by the PRIME minister, the highest seat in politics. Then that surely needs addressing?

Otherwise public faith in politicians and the establishment in general to be above reproach is built on nothing.

To hard-line Con supporters Kizzy the truth is anything that doesn't get at Johnson and the government.

If Cummings is a grass, a liar , a fantasist, who was the man who employed him and raised him up.
What does that make of his judgement.

The story when he broke lockdown rules was fully supported by Johnson and Ministers were rolled out to defend Cummings.

What does that say about them that they'd support a fantasist, a liar and a grass.

The greatest one for me though.
Is when the media were character assassinating the Milibands deceased Father, then after that Corbyn too.
Then the press must have something.
No condemnation of that from Con supporters.

Odd that.

[Zizu]

It was grim looking at my facebook when all this was going on, so many people were angry, not at the accusations but at the fact that they considered Cummings a 'grass'.

They were unbothered about all the wrongdoing, they were just upset he brought light to all of it. Seeing stuff like that just reaffirms everything that I believe this country has become, weak, subservient, spineless.



Following on from that .. I just wish the sentencing wasn’t so ridiculously lenient in this country


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[Tom4784]

The truth will out..

What's all this 'grass' rubbish? If there has been wrongdoing by the PRIME minister, the highest seat in politics. Then that surely needs addressing?

Otherwise public faith in politicians and the establishment in general to be above reproach is built on nothing.

I'm just at the point where I think anyone who votes Tory is just a spineless coward desperate to please their overlord. To look at this story and screech 'grass' at the person potentially exposing several major scandals is truly pathetic.

This country is full of weak willed morons that are all too happy to let corruption run riot as long as it's their 'side' doing it.

[Zizu]

I'm just at the point where I think anyone who votes Tory is just a spineless coward desperate to please their overlord. To look at this story and screech 'grass' at the person potentially exposing several major scandals is truly pathetic.



This country is full of weak willed morons that are all too happy to let corruption run riot as long as it's their 'side' doing it.



Same applies to Labour though ...

Politicians are all spineless , self serving and corrupt ... from what I can see


I’ve recently watched the Domina series set in Ancient Rome around 30 AD ... all about the power struggles of the senate .. the corruption , greed , debauchery
and back stabbings

Just like parliament today basically


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[DouglasS]

I'm just at the point where I think anyone who votes Tory is just a spineless coward desperate to please their overlord. To look at this story and screech 'grass' at the person potentially exposing several major scandals is truly pathetic.

This country is full of weak willed morons that are all too happy to let corruption run riot as long as it's their 'side' doing it.

It must be exhausting thinking that of the majority of the public all the time?? I prefer to have a more positive outlook on life and people

[joeysteele]

It must be exhausting thinking that of the majority of the public all the time?? I prefer to have a more positive outlook on life and people

He didn't say majority of the public.
He said those who voted Con.

Which was a minority of the public.
Around 43% in 2019.
Around 36% in the current council elections.

That makes well over the majority of the voting public even not supporting the Cons.
With even in 2019, 57% rejecting the Con stance.

Under PR this lot may not even have been leading a government never mind sitting with an overinflated unrepresentative 80 overall majority

[Tom4784]

It must be exhausting thinking that of the majority of the public all the time?? I prefer to have a more positive outlook on life and people

You can choose to be deluded, I'm happy enough living in reality.

Same applies to Labour though ...

Politicians are all spineless , self serving and corrupt ... from what I can see


I’ve recently watched the Domina series set in Ancient Rome around 30 AD ... all about the power struggles of the senate .. the corruption , greed , debauchery
and back stabbings

Just like parliament today basically


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Labour is irrelevant, they'll never know power again because they are incompetent flops. I have no time for 'well look at this irrelevant party that's not in control' or 'all politicians are the same and so I accept things as they are.' Both are bull**** points that defend the status quo, and I have no patience for it.

I don't accept incompetence and corruption from people who should be competent and above corruption, regardless of who they are. I supported the Lib Dems until they decided to suck on David Cameron's arsehole and now they're all dead to me, I supported Labour until they showed themselves to be highly incompetent and so they no longer have my support. When a party I vote for fails to do as they should, they no longer have my support. This country would be better if more people treated politics as I do rather than pretending that it's like the ****ing premier league and be loyal to parties when it should be the other way around.

But no, we are a nation of fools that wouldn't know critical thinking if it shat on our breakfasts. We only know to support the tories no matter what.

[Marsh.]

"I prefer to pretend things are great" Good for you? :joker:

[DouglasS]

"I prefer to pretend things are great" Good for you? :joker:

Things are good, we are very fortunate with the country and government we have..

[Marsh.]

Didn't ask.

[joeysteele]

Things are good, we are very fortunate with the country and government we have..

Not in my view.
Once this pandemic is over or where things much safer.

I'm selling up in England and clearing off with my Mum to her home in the Republic of Ireland.
A plan I had a couple of years ago.
I see no redeeming qualities in England or from this deceitful lying dangerous government.

I'll put with multi thousands of others all we know for sure to the eventually held, thrown into the long grass public inquiry.
After that I see nothing at all to make me want to stay in the Nation England has particularly sunk to be.
A minority of heartless hardliners ruling the decent majority.
No, not for me that.

[Kizzy]

Same applies to Labour though ...

Politicians are all spineless , self serving and corrupt ... from what I can see


I’ve recently watched the Domina series set in Ancient Rome around 30 AD ... all about the power struggles of the senate .. the corruption , greed , debauchery
and back stabbings

Just like parliament today basically


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And are we OK with this? Basically things were corrupt 2000yrs ago and it must be ever thus?

What happened to civilisation, progression, democracy, justice? All luxuries we can no longer afford?