Meghan and Harry have a new daughter

[bots]

Named after the queen - Lilibet

[Smithy]

https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1401569722336940032?s=21


…maybe should have let Meghan name this one

[arista]

Good the baby is OK

[arista]

I wonder how long this thread will last?

[bots]

I wonder how long this thread will last?

it's happy news and she is named after the queen, whats to argue about :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

I wonder how long this thread will last?

A long time no one has a problem welcoming a new baby into the world
Congratulations to them and anyone else who has given birth recently.

[MTVN]

Never knew about that being the Queens nickname till just now

Very cute choice

[Glenn.]

The name is cute

[Niamh.]

Aw cute name, congrats to them [emoji178]

[Vanessa]

Awww cute name :love:

[Tom4784]

Adorable name, I'm happy for them :clap1:

[AnnieK]

Aw lovely news.

It was reported she was due on Prince Phillips birthday on Thursday. Lovely nod to the Queen and Diana

[joeysteele]

I love the name, pleased to see Diana included too.

Congratulations to them both on their new addition to their family.

[Cal.]

Love the name

[hijaxers]

Named after the queen - Lilibet

I read name is Lili no bet on end ?

[Black Dagger]

Beautiful name. Beautiful family. Wish them all the best x

[Cherie]

Never knew about that being the Queens nickname till just now

Very cute choice

Her wreath for Philip was signed with the nickname at his funeral, it’s what he called her apparently

Congratulations Harry and Meghan

[GoldHeart]

Aww lovely
Congratulations to them both :clap1:

[Cherie]

I read name is Lili no bet on end ?

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have announced the birth of their second child, a baby girl.
Lilibet "Lili" Diana Mountbatten-Windsor was born on Friday morning in a hospital in Santa Barbara, California.
Both mother and child are healthy and well, the pair said in a statement.
The couple said they named their second child Lilibet after the Royal Family's nickname for the Queen, the baby's great-grandmother.
Her middle name, Diana, was chosen to honour her "beloved late grandmother", The Princess of Wales, the statement said.
Royal Family tree and line of succession
Lilibet was born at 11:40am local time 19:40 BST, weighed 7 lbs 11 oz and is now "settling in at home".
She is the Queen's 11th great-grandchild and is eighth in line to the throne.
In a message of thanks on the couple's Archewell website, they said: "On June 4, we were blessed with the arrival of our daughter, Lili.
"She is more than we could have ever imagined, and we remain grateful for the love and prayers we've felt from across the globe.
"Thank you for your continued kindness and support during this very special time for our family."
Prince Harry and Meghan had their first child, Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor, in May 2019, before they stepped back from their roles as senior royals.

BBC

[Crimson Dynamo]

Named after the queen - Lilibet

The Queen is Elizabeth

Lilibet was her childhood nickname as she could not say Elizabeth

not sure using someone else's nickname as a real name is a good idea

seems very twee to me :/

[AnnieK]

So its Lilly spelt wrong?

:facepalm:

No, its Lilibet....and the will shorten to Lili....so it's the correct spelling in this instance :facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

No, its Lilibet....and the will shorten to Lili....so it's the correct spelling in this instance :facepalm:

its an affectation

but then why am i not surprised

[AnnieK]

its an affectation

but then why am i not surprised

This thread is about the birth of a child.

Doesn't really need negativity and to be closed :nono:

Their child, their name choice. I am sure there will be people who don't like.my son's name....their problem, not mine.

[arista]

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[Marsh.]

The Queen is Elizabeth

Lilibet was her childhood nickname as she could not say Elizabeth

not sure using someone else's nickname as a real name is a good idea

seems very twee to me :/

its an affectation

but then why am i not surprised

Good thing it's not your kid and therefore what you deem a good idea means sod all.

[rusticgal]

Great news :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

[Cherie]

I'm sure Doria is fine , and doesn't care that her daughter didn't name HER child after her as she's not petty and it really isn't that serious :hee:. I'm sure they're all happy aslong as the baby is healthy and well.

And it's a nice tribute to Diana .

Charlotte’s middle name is also Diana so she is well remembered at this stage

[GoldHeart]

Charlotte’s middle name is also Diana so she is well remembered at this stage

There still isn't anything wrong with Meghan & Harry wanting to add Diana's name , it is their baby and their choice after all. And they even added The Queen's name.

[AnnieK]

Charlotte’s middle name is also Diana so she is well remembered at this stage

Its nice both her boys have given their daughter's her name. A nice legacy :love:

[GoldHeart]

Its nice both her boys have given their daughter's her name. A nice legacy :love:

I agree

[Cherie]

Its nice both her boys have given their daughter's her name. A nice legacy :love:

Yes :love:

[smudgie]

Beautiful name.
Lillibet is such an affectionate name for our Queen and baby being named after her is lovely.
Congratulations to them both, and little Archie having a sister.

[rusticgal]

Its nice both her boys have given their daughter's her name. A nice legacy :love:


It was an obvious choice for both of them.

[joeysteele]

Its nice both her boys have given their daughter's her name. A nice legacy :love:

Exactly.
It really is.

[Ammi]

…my OH’s father had a ring made for him once which was engraved with the nickname he had for him since he was a child because there was a specific personal meaning attached…we chose that name for one of our sons as well so yeah, it’s something that I totally associate with …Lilibet (Lili) is a beautiful name…God’s Promise…


…welcome to the world little Lili Diana….:lovedup:…

[AnnieK]

Exactly.
It really is.

My brother gave his youngest daughter my mum's name as her middle name. She was the last grandchild and the only one born after my mum died. It was sad that she would never know her Grandma but nice they kept mum involved in her life :love:

[Ammi]

Its nice both her boys have given their daughter's her name. A nice legacy :love:

Exactly.
It really is.

…incredible to think that she would have been grandmother to 5 grandchildren now…

[Ammi]

My brother gave his youngest daughter my mum's name as her middle name. She was the last grandchild and the only one born after my mum died. It was sad that she would never know her Grandma but nice they kept mum involved in her life :love:

…:love:..

[joeysteele]

My brother gave his youngest daughter my mum's name as her middle name. She was the last grandchild and the only one born after my mum died. It was sad that she would never know her Grandma but nice they kept mum involved in her life :love:

That's really lovely and special Annie.

[rusticgal]

My brother gave his youngest daughter my mum's name as her middle name. She was the last grandchild and the only one born after my mum died. It was sad that she would never know her Grandma but nice they kept mum involved in her life :love:


Most people do it....both my boys have two middle names they share with their father and both grandfathers. :shrug:

[jet]

....well they want to hold onto those titles :hee:

I hope Doria isn’t feeling too left out :laugh:

I hope not...the granny who is actually in their life....:hee:

[Marsh.]

I hope not...the granny who is actually in their life....:hee:

:love:

[arista]

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[AnnieK]

Most people do it....both my boys have two middle names they share with their father and both grandfathers. :shrug:

I wasn't saying it was unusual Rusti....I was just sharing something that was in line.with the thread topic

My son has my dads name.as his middle name so I know its done a lot :shrug:

[bots]

the royals have a habit of giving their kids 42 middle names, so i thought just one, was quite refreshing

[AnnieK]

it's happy news and she is named after the queen, whats to argue about :laugh:

You'd think this would be the case....but then 3 pages later, you realise this is TiBB so it's never going to be that simple :laugh:

[Jordan.]

Gorgeous news :lovedup: and such a relief after the obsessive abuse Meghan has had to endure during another pregnancy!

[Samm]

bloody love this couple :love: stunning name, this daughter will have excellent parents

[Joker.]

Congrats! Such a lovely name.

[Amy Jade]

I love the baby's name, it's so unique.

[Glenn.]

Wasn’t it King George’s nickname for Elizabeth?

[Captain.Remy]

People are mad over a name :skull:
Congrats to the parents and welcome to this wonderful little baby! :love:

[joeysteele]

Wasn’t it King George’s nickname for Elizabeth?

Yes it was, from when she was little.

Prince Philip just adopted it too.
Ridiculous to try to find fault with the name, just really petty and spiteful in my view.

[bots]

when people name a child after someone it is always a tribute, stealing the queens name is beyond absurd :laugh:

[Ammi]

…Lilibet was speculated and reported by the media as a possible name some time ago …and indeed it’s the name that’s been chosen and now the same media are reporting…OMG, no…really…!!…

…it’s really impossible to make this stuff up….except they do on a daily basis…

[Crimson Dynamo]

[QUOTE=Ammi;11055497]…Lilibet was speculated and reported by the media as a possible name some time ago …and indeed it’s the name that’s been chosen and now the same media are reporting…OMG, no…really…!!…

/QUOTE]

links to both claims?

[jet]

…Lilibet was speculated and reported by the media as a possible name some time ago …and indeed it’s the name that’s been chosen and now the same media are reporting…OMG, no…really…!!…

…it’s really impossible to make this stuff up….except they do on a daily basis…

I never came across any speculation like that. :shrug:

[AnnieK]

I never came across any speculation like that. :shrug:

Lily has been touted for months as a nod toto Lilibet. A quick google will show countless articles showing that

[Ammi]

Lily has been touted for months as a nod toto Lilibet. A quick google will show countless articles showing that

…yeah, I was just about to post as well that it was also speculated that the shortened version of Lily would be used only the media spelled it with a ‘y’ and it’s an ‘i’….the queen is also the first person to always approve names of any children born into the family so she would have approved any name that has been made official….obviously the media are their usual predictable selves of …oh really, how outrageous…how can we now spin this story to create this OUTRAGE….

[jet]

Lily has been touted for months as a nod toto Lilibet. A quick google will show countless articles showing that

A 'possible' nod to Lilibet by calling the child Lily, a name I see they liked, isn't the same as actually christening the child Lilibet though...and isn't she going to get 'Lili'.

[Marsh.]

by who?:shrug:

how would anyone know what a parent would call a child months in advance?

what articles?

Because parents rarely wait until after a baby is born to discuss names.

[user104658]

the only one to call her by that special family name was her husband who always did so since they married.

How could you possibly know that, totally ridiculous :laugh:

[Marsh.]

how could you possibly know that, totally ridiculous :laugh:

because itv. Duh!!!

[jet]

How could you possibly know that, totally ridiculous :laugh:

Unless the Queens, Prince Philips and Prince Charles's official biographers are all outed as outrageous liars I'll take it they know better than me that it was his special name for her, used affectionatley only by him since the death of her father and Margaret. :hee:

[AnnieK]

Unless the Queens, Prince Philips and Prince Charles's official biographers are all outed as outrageous liars I'll take it they know better than me that it was his special name for her, used affectionatley only by him since the death of her father and Margaret. :hee:

The whole family know about the name...the public know about the name....whether Philip was the only one to use it, what does that actually matter? I'm really struggling as to why naming her Lilibet could be seen as any kind of slight.

It really is astounding that this is yet another stick to beat them with :shrug: I can get the other family stuff but the birth of a child and the subsequent naming of that child is just bad taste imo and actually quite sad :sad:

[thesheriff443]

How could you possibly know that, totally ridiculous :laugh:

To be fair with the royals being obsessed by tradition and keeping things formal, you can’t really imagine any one calling the queen lilibet apart from her late father and prince Philip can you?

[thesheriff443]

The whole family know about the name...the public know about the name....whether Philip was the only one to use it, what does that actually matter? I'm really struggling as to why naming her Lilibet could be seen as any kind of slight.

It really is astounding that this is yet another stick to beat them with :shrug: I can get the other family stuff but the birth of a child and the subsequent naming of that child is just bad taste imo and actually quite sad :sad:

Didn’t one of the royals recently name there child as a tribute to prince Philip

[bots]

William and Harry referred to the queen as grandma lilibet, so the whole blinking family used it

[AnnieK]

Didn’t one of the royals recently name there child as a tribute to prince Philip

Yep one of Andrew's girls called her baby August Philip

[AnnieK]

William and Harry referred to the queen as grandma lilibet, so the whole blinking family used it

A voice.of reason.

[user104658]

Unless the Queens, Prince Philips and Prince Charles's official biographers are all outed as outrageous liars I'll take it they know better than me that it was his special name for her, used affectionatley only by him since the death of her father and Margaret. :hee:

Can you give me a reference on that? Which biographies? Which authors? On what pages?

Because to be frank - you back up an awful lot of your points with the evidence that "a royal source said it" or "a royal biographer wrote about it" but you never actually say where. We're just supposed to accept that they did... because you say so. It's not really evidence, is it... you could say literally whatever you want followed by "one of the biographers wrote it just trust me" :idc:.

[Swan]

Ok, i really don't wanna get involved in a Harry and Megan discussion ever again, it's always the same BS. I don't care for them i don't care what they do anymore. Anyway, the reason im popping in is to ask what 'licencing' a name actually means? Is it like, a future or current celeb wont be legally allowed to use that particular name as stage name or something??

[thesheriff443]

William and Harry referred to the queen as grandma lilibet, so the whole blinking family used it

Well I’ve never heard references to it before Philips funeral

[Marsh.]

Ok, i really don't wanna get involved in a Harry and Megan discussion ever again, it's always the same BS. I don't care for them i don't care what they do anymore. Anyway, the reason im popping in is to ask what 'licencing' a name actually means? Is it like, a future or current celeb wont be legally allowed to use that particular name as stage name or something??

It basically means nobody can use that name as a brand AFAIK. Not that nobody can have that name.

[jet]

William and Harry referred to the queen as grandma lilibet, so the whole blinking family used it

Never heard that one before!

[Swan]

It basically means nobody can use that name as a brand AFAIK. Not that nobody can have that name.

Just as a brand though right? Trying to not come across dumb, but they wouldn't be able stop parents naming their child the same name, would they?

[thesheriff443]

Now meghan has had the baby I wonder will Harry come in July to unveil the statue he and William have had commissioned

[hijaxers]

Well I’ve never heard references to it before Philips funeral

Well i have tons of times.

[AnnieK]

Now meghan has had the baby I wonder will Harry come in July to unveil the statue he and William have had commissioned

I would hope so.

[Ammi]

William and Harry referred to the queen as grandma lilibet, so the whole blinking family used it

…they all blink as well ….just because the Queen blinks…?….pffffttt….

[Ammi]

Now meghan has had the baby I wonder will Harry come in July to unveil the statue he and William have had commissioned

…I read a few days ago that William wasn’t coming for that but I can’t recall the whole context of the article tbh…that was just a part of it…

[AnnieK]

Well I’ve never heard references to it before Philips funeral

It has been in public domain for a long time that Philip called her that....or his other nickname for her.......Cabbage :laugh: I kind of wish they'd used that as another middle name :hehe:

[Ammi]

Ok, i really don't wanna get involved in a Harry and Megan discussion ever again, it's always the same BS. I don't care for them i don't care what they do anymore. Anyway, the reason im popping in is to ask what 'licencing' a name actually means? Is it like, a future or current celeb wont be legally allowed to use that particular name as stage name or something??



The domain is that nobody can use that email and they can use that for any sort of commercial work they want to.

…(…I don’t blame you, I’m only here for one night only, I think…then onto fresher pastures…)….

[jet]

Can you give me a reference on that? Which biographies? Which authors? On what pages?

Because to be frank - you back up an awful lot of your points with the evidence that "a royal source said it" or "a royal biographer wrote about it" but you never actually say where. We're just supposed to accept that they did... because you say so. It's not really evidence, is it... you could say literally whatever you want followed by "one of the biographers wrote it just trust me" :idc:.

I have read a lot of royal books by acclaimed authors over the years - still do - and I refer to what I read in them.
I don't have to prove what I write, and you don't have to accept what I write.
Take it or leave it, simple as that.

When I post an article, I always put up a link, ploughing through books to find certain words on certain pages is a bit of a stretch to ask....:laugh:
I'm sure you can find the official Royal biographies at your local library though...just saying...:hee:

[Swan]

The domain is that nobody can use that email and they can use that for any sort of commercial work they want to.

…(…I don’t blame you, I’m only here for one night only, I think…then onto fresher pastures…)….

Right ok thank you, it's kinda what i thought.

(mmmhuh)

[smudgie]

Unless the Queens, Prince Philips and Prince Charles's official biographers are all outed as outrageous liars I'll take it they know better than me that it was his special name for her, used affectionatley only by him since the death of her father and Margaret. :hee:

This is so untrue.
Most of her dearest friends called her that in private as well.

[jet]

This is so untrue.
Most of her dearest friends called her that in private as well.

Could be, it isn't something I've ever come across. I have always read Philip was the only one to use it for a long time. :shrug:

[AnnieK]

Indeed we will. Sickly sweet kow towing sycophancy just isn't my cup of tea. :shrug:

Unless it's to the Queen :shrug:

Who is just as flawed as anyone else

[jet]

Unless it's to the Queen :shrug:

Who is just as flawed as anyone else

Of course she is. Who said she wasn't?

[AnnieK]

Could be, it isn't something I've ever come across. I have always read Philip was the only one to use it for a long time. :shrug:

It's in every Royal biography I've seen that its a well known and.used name in the family. Since they released the name its in every article that its a "family" nickname for her

[jet]

It's in every Royal biography I've seen that its a well known and.used name in the family. Since they released the name its in every article that its a "family" nickname for her

I've read the opposite. I think this particular topic has reached stalemate status. :laugh:

[smudgie]

Could be, it isn't something I've ever come across. I have always read Philip was the only one to use it for a long time. :shrug:

No.
There have been loads of documentaries on the Queen, her friends and ladies in waiting called her Lilibet in private.

[jet]

No.
There have been loads of documentaries on the Queen, her friends and ladies in waiting called her Lilibet in private.

Really.

[I like BB]

It's a bit of a strange sounding name, but different strokes for different folks I guess.

[Marsh.]

Just as a brand though right? Trying to not come across dumb, but they wouldn't be able stop parents naming their child the same name, would they?

No.

[Ammi]

…it’s lovely to read the positivity even from some of the more critical royal reliant reporters of the name choice and the family affection and love attached to it… and how little Lilibet Diana will help unite going forward …they’ve all lost a dear loved one and now they’ve all gained one, life’s circle…:love:…

[Niamh.]

I've deleted 115 posts from this thread, it was a mind numbing experience. I will continue to delete any posts I deem deliberately provocative, trolling or baiting and hopefully one of these threads (especially one about the birth of a baby) can remain standing :fc:

[bots]

:fc:

[Ammi]

…as I said earlier, it’s actually refreshing and hopeful to see some of the reporting from ‘royal reporters and supporters’ etc on the birth and chosen name being less ‘versus’ and more united going forward….a feeling that little Lilibet may be a hopeful light in any future ‘healing processes’ for all…:love:…

[Livia]

It's such a personal family nickname I feel sure that Harry must have spoken to the Queen before they decided. Even though I'm not a fan, it must be a wonderful time for them. There's two years between Archie and Lili, one year between my son and daughter and I hope their little family is as happy as we are.

[Ammi]

…it’s reported that great grandmother Lilibet has met great granddaughter Lilibet in a video call…:lovedup:…how clever that little Miss Lili can FaceTime already….:flutter:…

[Beso]

And, Andrew has probably offered to babysit, but they said via zoom only.

[GoldHeart]

…it’s reported that great grandmother Lilibet has met great granddaughter Lilibet in a video call…:lovedup:…how clever that little Miss Lili can FaceTime already….:flutter:…

Awww cute :love:

[Jordan.]

…it’s reported that great grandmother Lilibet has met great granddaughter Lilibet in a video call…:lovedup:…how clever that little Miss Lili can FaceTime already….:flutter:…

beautiful :lovedup:

[joeysteele]

…it’s reported that great grandmother Lilibet has met great granddaughter Lilibet in a video call…:lovedup:…how clever that little Miss Lili can FaceTime already….:flutter:…

Lovely news.

[rusticgal]

…it’s reported that great grandmother Lilibet has met great granddaughter Lilibet in a video call…:lovedup:…how clever that little Miss Lili can FaceTime already….:flutter:…


Melts my heart...:lovedup:

[Amy Jade]

…it’s reported that great grandmother Lilibet has met great granddaughter Lilibet in a video call…:lovedup:…how clever that little Miss Lili can FaceTime already….:flutter:…

Awww bet she's thrilled

[bots]

honestly don't understand why people can't be happy for the couple on the birth of their new baby, let it be and move on. I'm sure there will be plenty opportunity to criticize the couple in the future, they ain't going to disappear

[Ammi]

Awww bet she's thrilled

…that’s a thought…I wonder if the Queen ever had her Lilibet shortened to Bet by her close friends…


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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/09/07/44002291-0-image-m-1_1623220560107.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9667207/Harry-Meghan-NEVER-asked-Queen-naming-daughter-Lilibet-source-says.html

[jet]

honestly don't understand why people can't be happy for the couple on the birth of their new baby, let it be and move on. I'm sure there will be plenty opportunity to criticize the couple in the future, they ain't going to disappear

Nobody is unhappy about the birth of their new baby, just the name choice and whether Harry had a conversation with his grandmother beforehand about using her personal nickname.
As usual there are conflicting reports :hee:

https://www.ok.co.uk/royal/royal-news/prince-harry-queen-baby-name-24278933

Harry in war of words as Palace source says he didn't consult Queen on baby name

ByAyla Soguksu
09:42, 9 JUN 2021

Palace sources have claimed Prince Harry and Meghan Markle did not ask the Queen for permission to name their newborn daughter Lilibet, despite Sussex insiders insisting they did.
Harry, 36, and his 39 year old wife Meghan welcomed their baby girl on Friday 4 June and announced they'd named her Lilibet "Lili" Diana Mountbatten-Windsor in tribute of both Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, 95, and the late Princess Diana.
A source close to the couple told the BBC that the Duke of Sussex spoke to the Queen before the birth of their second child and "would have mentioned" the name.
However, a Palace source has since claimed this was not what happened and said the couple "never asked" the monarchy…..

Just seen Arista's post too....snap! :hee:

[Marsh.]

"The Queen announces birth of her healthy great-granddaughter"

Daily Mail: QUEEN SLAPS DOWN HARRY

OK Magazine: PALACE SOURCE SAYS

Give it a rest.

[bots]

Someone at the palace obviously wants to stir it up which is interesting. The only person that could say whether the queen had been asked or not, is the queen. So unless the palace source is completely making it up, which is unlikely, then Harry didn't stick to protocol.

However, now that he has stepped down from royal duties, is their any requirement for him to have asked permission from the queen. He is no longer representing the royal family and therefore, it's none of their business what he calls their child

[jet]

Someone at the palace obviously wants to stir it up which is interesting. The only person that could say whether the queen had been asked or not, is the queen. So unless the palace source is completely making it up, which is unlikely, then Harry didn't stick to protocol.

However, now that he has stepped down from royal duties, is their any requirement for him to have asked permission from the queen. He is no longer representing the royal family and therefore, it's none of their business what he calls their child

Yes, I think there is. Its not just any old name, it's a one - off, her personal nickname, used affectionately nowadays only by her late husband. It’s just good manners and respect for a grandmother to ask surely, whether he is representing the family formally or not?

[bots]

Yes, I think there is. Its not just any old name, it's a one - off, her personal nickname, used affectionately nowadays only by her late husband. It’s just good manners and respect for a grandmother to ask surely, whether he is representing the family formally or not?

no, it's really nobodies business but Harry and Meghan's. In the same way that it was no-ones business when Bowie named his son Zowie or Frank Zappa named his son Dweazle. People can say oh i wouldnt have named them that or what a lovely name ... but thats the extent of it. It's a childs name. Harry and Meghan are private citizens, not owned by the public or the royal family, and they dont even live in the UK :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Yes, I think there is. Its not just any old name, it's a one - off, her personal nickname, used affectionately nowadays only by her late husband. It’s just good manners and respect for a grandmother to ask surely, whether he is representing the family formally or not?

It wasn't only used by her late husband. Repeating something does not make it true.

[joeysteele]

The way I see it.
Is the Queen was virtually it seemed likely shamed into making a television address after Princess Diana's death.

Here's another instance now in my view where Her Majesty herself, now needs to state to stop this speculative tripe from unidentified Royal sources and the comments of the gutter trash Daily Mail and others.

For Her Majesty to once and for all, cone out and say is she over the moon her new Great Granddaughter has her nickname as her own name or not.

Like any other Great Grandmother would make known herself and not hide behind the Palace institution allowing the anti Meghan brigade to run riot with even the name of her new Great Granddaughter.
Ridiculous.

[jet]

It wasn't only used by her late husband. Repeating something does not make it true.

It's my understanding of it. Opinions vary.

[user104658]

The way I see it.
Is the Queen was virtually it seemed likely shamed into making a television address after Princess Diana's death.

Here's another instance now in my view where Her Majesty herself, now needs to state to stop this speculative tripe from unidentified Royal sources and the comments of the gutter trash Daily Mail and others.

For Her Majesty to once and for all, cone out and say is she over the moon her new Great Granddaughter has her nickname as her own name or not.

Like any other Great Grandmother would make known herself and not hide behind the Palace institution allowing the anti Meghan brigade to run riot with even the name of her new Great Granddaughter.
Ridiculous.

Honestly, the idea that the 95-year-old queen would be annoyed about her grandson naming his child for her nickname is really bizarre. How petty of a person would you have to be, in your twilight years of life, to resent your own grandchild for naming his daughter for you. Are people actually thinking about what they're saying here? Like ... really? No matter what sort of rift or family argument there's been. You really think an old lady is going to think "They're calling her my nickname, hmph I don't like that, that's MY special thing" and not ... "Oh how lovely."

... ?

Bizarre stuff, that the people so intent on defending The Queen and The Monarchy apparently have such a terribly low opinion of Elizabeth as a human being and grandmother :think:.

[Niamh.]

Honestly, the idea that the 95-year-old queen would be annoyed about her grandson naming his child for her nickname is really bizarre. How petty of a person would you have to be, in your twilight years of life, to resent your own grandchild for naming his daughter for you. Are people actually thinking about what they're saying here? Like ... really? No matter what sort of rift or family argument there's been. You really think an old lady is going to think "They're calling her my nickname, hmph I don't like that, that's MY special thing" and not ... "Oh how lovely."

... ?

Bizarre stuff, that the people so intent on defending The Queen and The Monarchy apparently have such a terribly low opinion of Elizabeth as a human being and grandmother :think:.

Exactly it only makes sense if you think the Queen is a horrible person really :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Honestly, the idea that the 95-year-old queen would be annoyed about her grandson naming his child for her nickname is really bizarre. How petty of a person would you have to be, in your twilight years of life, to resent your own grandchild for naming his daughter for you. Are people actually thinking about what they're saying here? Like ... really? No matter what sort of rift or family argument there's been. You really think an old lady is going to think "They're calling her my nickname, hmph I don't like that, that's MY special thing" and not ... "Oh how lovely."

... ?

Bizarre stuff, that the people so intent on defending The Queen and The Monarchy apparently have such a terribly low opinion of Elizabeth as a human being and grandmother :think:.

Excellently put TS.
I agree absolutely.

It's utterly ridiculous.

[jet]

Honestly, the idea that the 95-year-old queen would be annoyed about her grandson naming his child for her nickname is really bizarre. How petty of a person would you have to be, in your twilight years of life, to resent your own grandchild for naming his daughter for you. Are people actually thinking about what they're saying here? Like ... really? No matter what sort of rift or family argument there's been. You really think an old lady is going to think "They're calling her my nickname, hmph I don't like that, that's MY special thing" and not ... "Oh how lovely."

... ?

Bizarre stuff, that the people so intent on defending The Queen and The Monarchy apparently have such a terribly low opinion of Elizabeth as a human being and grandmother :think:.

You are confusing people’s opinions of what THEY think about it with opinions on what they think the Queen herself may think about it. Not one person has even mentioned whether she would be annoyed or otherwise. A common mistake. :laugh:

[Glenn.]

honestly don't understand why people can't be happy for the couple on the birth of their new baby, let it be and move on. I'm sure there will be plenty opportunity to criticize the couple in the future, they ain't going to disappear

Because it’s Harry and and Meghan and their obsessive hatred towards them won’t let them be anything other than toxic towards them. It’s incredibly sad and pathetic.

[Marsh.]

It's my understanding of it. Opinions vary.

So called "opinion" doesn't come into whether something is factual or not. It is a fact that Philip was NOT and never was the only person to use the nickname.

[jet]

So called "opinion" doesn't come into whether something is factual or not. It is a fact that Philip was NOT and never was the only person to use the nickname.

I said he was nowadays. Her father, mother and sister also used it. It isn't fact, only hearsay and opinion, that anyone else did.

[Marsh.]

I said he was nowadays.

I know you did. Still incorrect.

[GoldHeart]

Either way it's a pretty name

[Glenn.]

The queen's father, King George VI, affectionally gave her the nickname Lilibet as a small child, and the only person to reportedly call her this name in recent years was her late husband Prince Philip.

[jet]

The queen's father, King George VI, affectionally gave her the nickname Lilibet as a small child, and the only person to reportedly call her this name in recent years was her late husband Prince Philip.

Correct.

[AnnieK]

Considering it looks now like there will be a lawsuit over claims that the BBC made that they didn't ask permission and Harry said they did, its tie the Queen stepped up and releases an official statement to confirm or deny the claims.

It's clear Harry and Meghan have few fans within the Palace but if incorrect leaks are coming out to paint them in a bad light, it needs clarification from the top.

That way it ends speculation and gossip and lets the new parents enjoy their daughter.

[GoldHeart]

Considering it looks now like there will be a lawsuit over claims that the BBC made that they didn't ask permission and Harry said they did, its tie the Queen stepped up and releases an official statement to confirm or deny the claims.

It's clear Harry and Meghan have few fans within the Palace but if incorrect leaks are coming out to paint them in a bad light, it needs clarification from the top.

That way it ends speculation and gossip and lets the new parents enjoy their daughter.

It's not the first time the BBC have embarrassed themselves , they have very little integrity or morals.

And as for the tabloid rags , I never pay any attention to them .

[user104658]

You are confusing people’s opinions of what THEY think about it with opinions on what they think the Queen herself may think about it. Not one person has even mentioned whether she would be annoyed or otherwise. A common mistake. :laugh:


:umm2: so you’re annoyed on the queens behalf about them using her nickname... regardless of what the queen herself thinks about it?

Strangerer and strangerer.

You SURELY must concede that if Elizabeth is not annoyed, then there is no issue?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Markle has got lawyers to fire off warning letter to BBC because they said Queen did not know about name. Would it not have been less aggressive to just get the Queen to release a statement?

Already the kid is s few days old and she is threatening people with legal action

:facepalm:

[Jordan.]

The Queen shouldn't have to waste her time on such pettiness and people getting offended on her behalf.

[AnnieK]

Markle has got lawyers to fire off warning letter to BBC because they said Queen did not know about name. Would it not have been less aggressive to just get the Queen to release a statement?

Already the kid is s few days old and she is threatening people with legal action

:facepalm:

The Palace knew this was brewing and could have released a statement but chose to stay quiet fuelling the fire. As I said up the page, they can put this to bed with a statement from the top and not an "unknown royal source" :shrug:

It needs to come from the queen otherwise it's not verifiable and just a "he said, she said"

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Palace knew this was brewing and could have released a statement but chose to stay quiet fuelling the fire. As I said up the page, they can put this to bed with a statement from the top and not an "unknown royal source" :shrug:

It needs to come from the queen otherwise it's not verifiable and just a "he said, she said"

I agree with you I don't know why harry did not just ask the pace rather than getting legals involved?

[joeysteele]

The Palace knew this was brewing and could have released a statement but chose to stay quiet fuelling the fire. As I said up the page, they can put this to bed with a statement from the top and not an "unknown royal source" :shrug:

It needs to come from the queen otherwise it's not verifiable and just a "he said, she said"

Totally agree with this.

It's ridiculous that a Great Grandmother, no matter who they were would allow this pathetic obsessive speculation of a negative form, to gather pace for the sake of her saying she is overjoyed or not, at her new Great Granddaughter and the name she has been given.

This is the problem with the whole Royal institutional set up.

What a welcome to her new Great Granddaughter that she does nothing personally to thwart those looking for nothing but negatives.

[user104658]

Someone get Liz on Twitters. I think it would be very enlightening.

“Saw more trash about my family in The Daily Mail today. Fake news! Sad!”

[Swan]

How bad is the relationship with Harry and his Grandmother?! Couldn't he just give her call.

Everything going on in world right now and this crap gets centre of attention. I wish the press wouldn't cover it, and Harry and Meghan would just go have their private life they wanted when leaving the royal family. All as bad as each other.

[Marsh.]

Markle has got lawyers to fire off warning letter to BBC because they said Queen did not know about name. Would it not have been less aggressive to just get the Queen to release a statement?

Already the kid is s few days old and she is threatening people with legal action

:facepalm:

"...get the Queen to..."

:laugh2:

[Marsh.]

How bad is the relationship with Harry and his Grandmother?! Couldn't he just give her call.

They do call, regularly according to them.

Tabloids and "sources" making up lies and stirring the pot is hardly on them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"...get the Queen to..."

:laugh2:

Pick up phone

Call granny

Get her lady to type of few words

What is so funny,?

[Marsh.]

The Palace knew this was brewing and could have released a statement but chose to stay quiet fuelling the fire. As I said up the page, they can put this to bed with a statement from the top and not an "unknown royal source" :shrug:

It needs to come from the queen otherwise it's not verifiable and just a "he said, she said"

It's more and more apparent that the root of all the trouble is the "institution" rather than the family themselves. They're pissed off that Harry told them where to go and now they've left they're still sticking the knife in at any oppportunity.

[Marsh.]

Pick up phone

Call granny

Get her lady to type of few words

What is so funny,?

"Get her to..."

:joker:

[Swan]

It's more and more apparent that the root of all the trouble is the "institution" rather than the family themselves. They're pissed off that Harry told them where to go and now they've left they're still sticking the knife in at any oppportunity.

Oh for christ sake, stop acting like Harry and Meghan are oppressed and victims in all this circus crap. They're in the top tier most privileged people in the world. I can't stand the royals, and that includes 'ex' royals who want to keep their titles, but don't paint Harry and Meghan as victims here, it's simply not case.

People say their criticism is obsessive, but so is their defence.

[Marsh.]

Oh for christ sake, stop acting like Harry and Meghan are oppressed and victims in all this circus crap. They're in the top tier most privileged people in the world. I can't stand the royals, and that includes 'ex' royals who want to keep their titles, but don't paint Harry and Meghan as victims here, it's simply not case.

People say their criticism is obsessive, but so is their defence.

Where did I defend them? I actually defended the Royal family in the post you quote. Calm down. I merely spoke of the institution and their insistence on releasing statements via "Palace sources" to undermine every little thing that happens.

Blaming either the Royal family or Harry and Meghan everytime the tabloids run with rumours and stories fuelled by unnamed sources is dumb.

Not sure why the angry outburst tbh nobody's forcing you to engage in the topic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

maybe the BBC got a tip off that is why they ran with it

A tip off from a 100% source

[jet]

Markle has got lawyers to fire off warning letter to BBC because they said Queen did not know about name. Would it not have been less aggressive to just get the Queen to release a statement?

Already the kid is s few days old and she is threatening people with legal action

:facepalm:

Exactly...don't some say she talks to Harry nearly every day. Not that I believe that...

[Marsh.]

Yeah because it makes sense to start legal action against a story she knows to be true? Sure.

[bots]

when diana died, there was all sorts of crap. The public were expecting the royal institution to kick into play and have a respectful mourning period. The institution was blamed, but it was specifically the queen that would not allow the flag on the palace to be flown at half mast etc. It was only after extreme public pressure that she relented. If that story about Harry not asking for permission came from the palace, it came from the queen. Thats the kind of person she is. They could have settled things down by saying nothing, but they chose to ramp it up a notch. I don't know how that type of behaviour can be defended.

[Beso]

when diana died, there was all sorts of crap. The public were expecting the royal institution to kick into play and have a respectful mourning period. The institution was blamed, but it was specifically the queen that would not allow the flag on the palace to be flown at half mast etc. It was only after extreme public pressure that she relented. If that story about Harry not asking for permission came from the palace, it came from the queen. Thats the kind of person she is. They could have settled things down by saying nothing, but they chose to ramp it up a notch. I don't know how that type of behaviour can be defended.


The queen was bullied into making a statement when all she was trying to do was protect the 2 boys.

[Marsh.]

when diana died, there was all sorts of crap. The public were expecting the royal institution to kick into play and have a respectful mourning period. The institution was blamed, but it was specifically the queen that would not allow the flag on the palace to be flown at half mast etc. It was only after extreme public pressure that she relented. If that story about Harry not asking for permission came from the palace, it came from the queen. Thats the kind of person she is. They could have settled things down by saying nothing, but they chose to ramp it up a notch. I don't know how that type of behaviour can be defended.

A fair assessment but when these sources are unnamed and unverifiable it leaves the press and other open to stirring meaning we still wouldn't know either way.

[Swan]

The "institution" and not the family. Deleting the first part of my post to twist the context of the second half won't wash.

Read posts properly in future.

What is more institutional in this Country than the royal family?

[Marsh.]

What is more institutional in this Country than the royal family?

Right, are you going to address anything I said in the post you chose to quote or are you scrambling for a topic that will stick?

[jet]

:umm2: so you’re annoyed on the queens behalf about them using her nickname... regardless of what the queen herself thinks about it?

Strangerer and strangerer.

You SURELY must concede that if Elizabeth is not annoyed, then there is no issue?

People can be annoyed about whatever they want and have opinions on it. Nothing strange about that.

[Swan]

Right, are you going to address anything I said in the post you chose to quote or are you scrambling for a topic that will stick?

Im saying the institution in this country is the royal family, or at least it's centred around them. So when you say the 'institution' regarding this matter, who are you referring to exactly?

You can say the press as they would fall under the 'institution' but when don't they fuel any fire, regarding anything?!

What Harry and Meghan need to accept is it works both ways, they can't have it all their own way. Using the press for photo ops in Uganda with starving kids is all good and well, celebs do this often to promote their own brand, but they can't turn around and have a tantrum at every time the press are critical of them either.

[AnnieK]

What is more institutional in this Country than the royal family?

The institution is the "business" side, very different from the "the family". I would imagine most senior Royals know very little of what goes on day to day, HR issues, hiring and firing of staff, daily running of the homes etc etc. They have staff for that....same as any business.

[Marsh.]

Im saying the institution in this country is the royal family, or at least it's centred around them. So when you say the 'institution' regarding this matter, who are you referring to exactly?

You can say the press as they would fall under the 'institution' but when don't they fuel any fire, regarding anything?!

What Harry and Meghan need to accept is it works both ways, they can't have it all their own way. Using the press for photo ops in Uganda with starving kids is all good and well, celebs do this often to promote their own brand, but they can't turn around and have a tantrum at every time the press are critical of them either.

None of that bears any relation to anything I said. Sorry.

[Swan]

None of that bears any relation to anything I said. Sorry.

Then what are you saying, maybe i missed something? :shrug:

You didn't really say anything in the post you asked me to address.

[Marsh.]

Then what are you saying, maybe i missed something? :shrug:

You didn't really say anything in the post you asked me to address.

Yet you decided to quote it and pretend I'd said something else. :shrug:

I don't need to explain my post, it's self explanatory.

[Swan]

The institution is the "business" side, very different from the "the family". I would imagine most senior Royals know very little of what goes on day to day, HR issues, hiring and firing of staff, daily running of the homes etc etc. They have staff for that....same as any business.

Yeah in many ways i agree. But the family are the business, without the individuals, there is no business.

The Government is an institution, who do we blame when things go wrong in the country, injustices, failure? We blame the individuals heading the Government, not the institution itself.

The waters are very mucky when in comes to humanistic issues. 'Institution' is to vague a word with matters like this imo.

[joeysteele]

The Queen was shamed into making an eventual statement on Princess Diana.

She should be now.
How any Great Grandmother can allow this speculation to continue, to be there to be brought up possibly now all through this new born child's life.

Actually I as a Royalist am appalled she hasn't just issued an official statement from herself.
I think it's pathetic of her.

[smudgie]

The queen's father, King George VI, affectionally gave her the nickname Lilibet as a small child, and the only person to reportedly call her this name in recent years was her late husband Prince Philip.

Incorrect.
Her family and friends called her it in private.

[Marsh.]

The Queen was shamed into making an eventual statement on Princess Diana.

She should be now.
How any Great Grandmother can allow this speculation to continue, to be there to be brought up possibly now all through this new born child's life.

Actually I as a Royalist am appalled she hasn't just issued an official statement from herself.
I think it's pathetic of her.

Pathetic is the right word as their silence on the matter has been the issue from the start. No wonder members get frustrated.

[Beso]

The queen wasnt shamed into making a statement at all..

The queen remained silent to protect the boys..

The public bullied her into a statement

[Crimson Dynamo]

The palace’s refusal to deny BBC royal correspondent Jonny Dymond’s report that Her
Majesty was "never asked" her opinion on the couple’s decision to name the baby after
her childhood nickname speaks volumes about the ongoing disconnect between the
institution and the Sussexes’ stateside operation.

Royal aides have become increasingly vexed by Harry and Meghan’s representatives -
both official and self-appointed - claiming to speak for the 95-year-old monarch when
they are in no position to do so.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/06/09/palace-frustration-name-choice-part-wider-annoyance-sussexes/

[Glenn.]

Incorrect.
Her family and friends called her it in private.

Which came from her father…

[joeysteele]

Pathetic is the right word as their silence on the matter has been the issue from the start. No wonder members get frustrated.

It is pathetic Marsh.
What Great Grandmother of any decency would want to see headlines in gutter trash publications reporting negatively on her nickname being given to her new addition to her family.

I would doubt the Queen is the only one called Elizabeth who has had that nickname.

This is her newest Great Granddaughter, yet in years to come it's likely these headlines will be shoved in this child's face.
How can any Great Grandmother just sit back and allow this to build.

If she has even a scrap of decency she should speak out now against any publication or people making negative comments on this child's name.

She should be proud to see it continued.
Not have this negative welcome fuss about her new Great Granddaughter.

[thesheriff443]

it was because she could not say Elizabeth. it's not a given name.you may as well call a kid fuzzywuzzy or snookums

to call their child this tells you all you need to know about this pair

:facepalm:

No one really knows what that little old lady thinks, probably fed up with all the fuss.

[joeysteele]

Which came from her father…

I think it may be found it came from her Grandfather King George V. originally.

[smudgie]

Which came from her father…

It was her Grandfather that started it.
Gone on for a few generations.
Her best friends and ladies in waiting still use the name in private with her.:shrug:

[Glenn.]

It was her Grandfather that started it.
Gone on for a few generations.
Her best friends and ladies in waiting still use the name in private with her.:shrug:

So before her friends then…

[joeysteele]

It was her Grandfather that started it.
Gone on for a few generations.
Her best friends and ladies in waiting still use the name in private with her.:shrug:

You are correct.
It goes back long before Prince Philip took it on.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Here's the timeline of events which, in my opinion, make it abundantly clear they didn't give a damn what Her Majesty thought:

May 31: Harry and Meghan buy the website LiliDiana.com.
June 4: Meghan gives birth and the couple immediately purchase LilibetDiana.com.
At some point between June 4 and June 6: Harry claims he speaks to the Queen to seek approval for the use of her pet name.
June 6: The name is announced to the world via press release.
June 9: Palace sources tell the BBC the Queen was NOT asked about naming their daughter Lilibet by Harry and Meghan. She was merely informed.

Now who do you believe?


The act of crass commercialisation that gives the lie to Meghan and Harry's
claim that they asked the Queen's permission to name their daughter after
her

full details here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9713025/Dan-Wootton-Meghan-Harrys-claim-Lilibets-name.html

[bots]

Dan Wooten exposes lies has got to be the best one yet :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

more damning evidence here:

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry’s decision to buy a 'Lili Diana' website almost a week
before their daughter's birth and 'Lilibet Diana' on the day she arrived indicates they had
'already made up their minds' on the name before speaking to the Queen, a royal expert
claimed today.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9711493/Harry-Meghan-confirm-DID-buy-Lilibetdiana-com-approved-Queen.html#comments

staggering

[Liam-]

Dan Wootton could tell me that grass was green and that water is wet and I still wouldn’t trust a thing the rat said

[user104658]

Now who do you believe?


Only ever TRS* Sookie Baxter and she says the Queen knew and was over the moon.

*Trusted Royal Source

[Marsh.]

"Timeline of events"

:laugh2: Anyone would think it mattered.

Is it not possible for him to focus on actual news?

Anyone would think this 95 year old Great Grandmother is appalled to have great grandchildren named in her honour. :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Timeline of events"

:laugh2: Anyone would think it mattered.

Is it not possible for him to focus on actual news?

Anyone would think this 95 year old Great Grandmother is appalled to have great grandchildren named in her honour. :joker:

its his job :joker:

you may as well have a go at a teacher for not also working in the coop

they have other reporters covering ALL news

he is at the top of his game writing for the biggest online newspaper in the world earning 6 figures

lol

[user104658]

its his job :joker:

you may as well have a go at a teacher for not also working in the coop

they have other reporters covering ALL news

he is at the top of his game writing for the biggest online newspaper in the world earning 6 figures

lol


Salesman of the year when it comes to peddling internet outrage? I mean, of course it’s profitable… internet outrage is big business. It’s unsurprising he’s making good money from it.

“It sells well” means nothing more than that though. It sells. That says absolutely nothing about the quality or accuracy of the content… people like trash that gets their blood pumping, human nature. The FACTS are usually just…mundane.

[Liam-]

Fidget spinners sold well, they didn’t bring anything worthwhile to the world either, just more junk

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fidget spinners sold well, they didn’t bring anything worthwhile to the world either, just more junk

when fidget spinners are still as popular as ever in 125 years time

get back to me

:pat:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Salesman of the year when it comes to peddling internet outrage? I mean, of course it’s profitable… internet outrage is big business. It’s unsurprising he’s making good money from it.

“It sells well” means nothing more than that though. It sells. That says absolutely nothing about the quality or accuracy of the content… people like trash that gets their blood pumping, human nature. The FACTS are usually just…mundane.

and as you admitted yesterday, noone likes trash on this site more than you..


https://media3.giphy.com/media/3ohc172JJbbmUfVxhS/giphy.gif

[user104658]

and as you admitted yesterday, noone likes trash on this site more than you..


https://media3.giphy.com/media/3ohc172JJbbmUfVxhS/giphy.gif


TELLY trash. If he pops onto Too Hot To Handle I’ll be there with bells on.

Watching my telly that is. Not also on the show.

[user104658]

ALSO Nicky likes trash more than me.

[jet]

Here's the timeline of events which, in my opinion, make it abundantly clear they didn't give a damn what Her Majesty thought:

May 31: Harry and Meghan buy the website LiliDiana.com.
June 4: Meghan gives birth and the couple immediately purchase LilibetDiana.com.
At some point between June 4 and June 6: Harry claims he speaks to the Queen to seek approval for the use of her pet name.
June 6: The name is announced to the world via press release.
June 9: Palace sources tell the BBC the Queen was NOT asked about naming their daughter Lilibet by Harry and Meghan. She was merely informed.

Now who do you believe?


The act of crass commercialisation that gives the lie to Meghan and Harry's
claim that they asked the Queen's permission to name their daughter after
her

full details here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9713025/Dan-Wootton-Meghan-Harrys-claim-Lilibets-name.html

Crass commercialisation and more H&M lies.

Dan relaying accurate information for those that are interested. :thumbs:

[Marsh.]

its his job :joker:

you may as well have a go at a teacher for not also working in the coop

they have other reporters covering ALL news

he is at the top of his game writing for the biggest online newspaper in the world earning 6 figures

lol

Aww, is he a family member?

I couldn't give a fook how many figures he earns, he's a sad little man peddling lies and gossip and calling it "work".

Top of his game being part of a mob that causes grief and misery, along with the occasional suicide.

"lol"

[Beso]

Hes not that little tbf.