Weak Gareth Southgate turns England fans against him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nigel calls him out

IhyjzxYffV4

[smudgie]

Good for Gareth. A manager should support the team if it’s what they want.
More people clapped last week to drown out the morons that decided to boo.

[bots]

i abhor racism in football, but i dont like the connection that the gesture has to BLM, so i would prefer not to see it. Sport should never be political and BLM is political. Racism is not political however, they need to come up with some other method of supporting kick it out rather than BLM

[joeysteele]

Good for Gareth. A manager should support the team if it’s what they want.
More people clapped last week to drown out the morons that decided to boo.

I totally agree smudgie..
There's sadly still a some racism around sport it seems.
On football terraces particularly.

[Nicky91]

bore off dictator Farage

[Ammi]

…I love how Marcus Rashford simplifies these things like he did with the school meals for children…they’re only complicated and political when they’re made complicated and political…it’s an anti racism/discrimination gesture simply and there is no politics involved in that unless people choose to see that…

[arista]

The LBC Left Winger
is debating Southgate,

[Oliver_W]

It's a shame that BLM seems to have the monopoly in standing against racism, and there's not a gesture or something which doesn't have their stink on it. Surely there's a way they can silently protest racism without associating with rioters and politics?

bore off dictator Farage

Dictator :joker::joker: He's not even an MP.

[Crimson Dynamo]

…I love how Marcus Rashford simplifies these things like he did with the school meals for children…they’re only complicated and political when they’re made complicated and political…it’s an anti racism/discrimination gesture simply and there is no politics involved in that unless people choose to see that…

We have had the Kick it out campaign for years and the players wear it on their shirts.

and its not about racism in football (of which there is precious little in the UK)

this has been used to justify the erroneous decision to "take the knee" in retrospect

I go to a lot of football games at what could be seen as a right-wing club and i never hear or witness racism and our captain and player of the year is black

i am quite sure that is replicated at every ground in the UK

[arista]

Nottinghamshire MP Lee Anderson
will not watch 'beloved England' in Euro 2020 after players take knee

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/nottinghamshire-mp-lee-anderson-not-5493867

[arista]

It's a shame that BLM seems to have the monopoly in standing against racism, and there's not a gesture or something which doesn't have their stink on it. Surely there's a way they can silently protest racism without associating with rioters and politics?



Dictator :joker::joker: He's not even an MP.

Yes not a MP.


Nicky has bad MP's in his nation.

[arista]

Yes Good Points from Nigel

BLM are a Marxist crazy group
(check their website)

This is going on World News
all around the world.

Stay Out of Politics

[arista]

i abhor racism in football, but i dont like the connection that the gesture has to BLM, so i would prefer not to see it. Sport should never be political and BLM is political. Racism is not political however, they need to come up with some other method of supporting kick it out rather than BLM


Bang On Right.

[Liam-]

Ah, another day, even more upset racists, bliss

[arista]

Ah, another day, even more upset racists, bliss


Not on Tibb
none of us are Racists

[Brother Leon]

Imagine Marcus Rashford, a man who has ensured some of the poorest families in the country can feed their kids during this pandemic captains his country for the first time ever. He leads his players out with great pride to take a knee, only to be booed by absolute idiots in the crowd just before they begin an international tournament.

I honestly hate English football fans sometimes.

[arista]

Debated on BBC2HD
Politics Live.


"They need to find another way of doing it"



Brendon Clark-Smith MP

"Black Lives Matter is a political movement and also
promotes some quite eccentric and extreme policies
such as abolishing the nuclear family
and defunding the police...fans....are
just sick and tired of being preached
and spoken down to. They are there to
watch a football match, not to be
lectured on morality."

[Oliver_W]

Imagine Marcus Rashford, a man who has ensured some of the poorest families in the country can feed their kids during this pandemic captains his country for the first time ever. He leads his players out with great pride to take a knee, only to be booed by absolute idiots in the crowd just before they begin an international tournament.

I honestly hate English football fans sometimes.

Kneeling on the ground achieves nothing, it is nothing more than performative allyship. The only thing that happens is the association with a questionable group pisses people off.

The only people who weren't behind Rashford during the school meals thing were the kind of idiots who say stuff like "can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em".

[Oliver_W]

Debated on BBC2HD
Politics Live.


"They need to find another way of doing it"



Brendon Clark-Smith MP

"Black Lives Matter is a political movement and also
promotes some quite eccentric and extreme policies
such as abolishing the nuclear family
and defunding the police...fans....are
just sick and tired of being preached
and spoken down to. They are there to
watch a football match, not to be
lectured on morality."

Sums it up well enough.

[Nicky91]

Yes not a MP.


Nicky has bad MP's in his nation.

which bad MP's :conf:



Baudet is no longer in our parliament thankfully


and well Wilders, although he is hardcore far-right pvv, he sometimes does say some good things, during the corona regulation debates for example

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/F783/production/_118836336_star-nc.png

[Ammi]

…when the Daily Star thinks you’re a numpty and the biggest berk in Britain …oh Lozza….

[Beso]

Tbh they should be taking a knee on twitter and the like, not on a football pitch.

[Beso]

Imagine Marcus Rashford, a man who has ensured some of the poorest families in the country can feed their kids during this pandemic captains his country for the first time ever. He leads his players out with great pride to take a knee, only to be booed by absolute idiots in the crowd just before they begin an international tournament.

I honestly hate English football fans sometimes.

Hes ensured we can feed the poor families kids, not the poor families feeding their own kids

[Shaun]

Not on Tibb
none of us are Racists

good one, tell another

[rusticgal]

i abhor racism in football, but i dont like the connection that the gesture has to BLM, so i would prefer not to see it. Sport should never be political and BLM is political. Racism is not political however, they need to come up with some other method of supporting kick it out rather than BLM


I totally agree.
Im sure the FA were against wearing poppies and the Manchester City manager was reprimanded for wearing a political badge.

[arista]

Tbh they should be taking a knee on twitter and the like, not on a football pitch.


Yes that would be far better

[Brother Leon]

Kneeling on the ground achieves nothing, it is nothing more than performative allyship. The only thing that happens is the association with a questionable group pisses people off.

The only people who weren't behind Rashford during the school meals thing were the kind of idiots who say stuff like "can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em".

If the players want to peacefully make a point then who the hell are we to tel them that “kneeling doesn’t achieve anything”. These same fans were having meltdowns over a damn super league and yet simply kneeling before a game starts isn’t a worthy protest or message.

If it pisses off people then it just shows how much more work there is to do.

[bots]

If the players want to peacefully make a point then who the hell are we to tel them that “kneeling doesn’t achieve anything”. These same fans were having meltdowns over a damn super league and yet simply kneeling before a game starts isn’t a worthy protest or message.

If it pisses off people then it just shows how much more work there is to do.

a lot of people don't agree with the politics of BLM and kneeling is directly linked to BLM. Why should they accept football being political. We already had kick it out which was specific to the cause and non political

[Beso]

One of them will strain a muscle one day, I hope it's just before the whistle on june 18th

[Crimson Dynamo]

a lot of people don't agree with the politics of BLM and kneeling is directly linked to BLM. Why should they accept football being political. We already had kick it out which was specific to the cause and non political

quite

there is little "racism " in UK football

there is in American based social media

and in America

blm is a despicable "organisation" that has Nothing to do with the UK

get up off your knees and wake up

[GoldHeart]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/F783/production/_118836336_star-nc.png

Here's look at the state of deluded Lozza in that pic :skull: , he probably thinks he looks nice .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Here's look at the state of deluded Lozza in that pic :skull: , he probably thinks he looks nice .

why he never took the pic and hasnt seen it? :conf:

[Beso]

Here's look at the state of deluded Lozza in that pic :skull: , he probably thinks he looks nice .

He doesn't look as daft as that english numpty dying his hair to look like gazza.

But my question is.

Why isnt the discussion of black players not taking the knee not being discussed?

Surely that is far more interesting than some half pissed white men booing uf they ain't got a mouthful of overpriced sausage meat half way down their gullets.

Why do they not take a knee?

If its cause they refuse to knee down whilst sweaty white men boo them I see their point..

I just dont know if that's their point....someone educate me please.

[Brother Leon]

a lot of people don't agree with the politics of BLM and kneeling is directly linked to BLM. Why should they accept football being political. We already had kick it out which was specific to the cause and non political

Spare me with that bull.


I’m sure match going football fans have always cared about the ins and outs of Marxism and Communism or whatever else the pitiful excuse was from that section.


Also, taking a knee is inspired more by Colin Kaepernick and MLK Jr than anything BLM. It just became more of a thing in the U.K after the BLM protests here. That would involve too much research though, let’s just boo them before they set off for a tournment. Hell, we didn’t even boo John Terry who called someone a black bastard on a football pitch.

[bots]

i'm trying to provide a very reasonable response and I get don't give me that bull .... Thats part of the problem

[Ammi]

…Marcus Rashford discussed this again last night…well, he had a few second slot is all but it was mentioned again….I honestly don’t know and can’t fathom why the simple spirit of such a thing as taking the knee to show a united mindset against racism and inequality is being turned into such a negative thing ….taking the knee is not political, it shows a one mind together against inequality…it’s a gesture that everyone is of that same like mind because hopefully most people are…people like Farage try to place so much on it because change and progression is his personal ‘fight’….that’s displayed in everything he does and says…

…anyways from what I can see, the majority support but the booing is obviously what’s heard and then again, that’s used as a…oh look, people don’t agree…when it really does seem to be a booing few…let them boo while the knee continues to be taken in support …politics isn’t being supported, equality is…

[bots]

forcing extreme left wing political doctrine down peoples throats at the start of every england football game is not going to achieve universal support for it. The longer it continues the more dessent there will be

[arista]

"people don’t agree…when it really does
seem to be a booing few…let them boo while the knee
continues to be taken in support …politics isn’t being
supported, equality is…"





Those Fans pay for that
match they are watching Ammi
they Hate Politics being Dragged into the match.


I am sure Marcus understands that.
And just wants to stay as a Goal Winning Player

[arista]

forcing extreme left wing political doctrine down peoples throats at the start of every England football game is not going to achieve universal support for it. The longer it continues the more dessent there will be


Yes it stinks

[Ammi]

…that’s always going to be someone’s choice, how they see it…whether they see it as a moment’s gesture of likeminded solidarity against inequality or whether they see it as an extreme left wing political doctrine being forced on them ….it’s a very, very simple thing and the spirit of it and in it is what we ourselves make it and how we perceive it…that one gesture doesn’t incorporate or represent a whole movement and it’s layers, it only represents a united show of equality and a one goal….

[Ammi]

…the longer it continues, the more dissent there will be…and the more dissent there is, the more it’s shown the need for it…it’s a bit of a stalemate, then…but through time there has always been resistance to progression in striving for equality…so, it’s just slogging on, really ….

[bots]

…the longer it continues, the more dissent there will be…and the more dissent there is, the more it’s shown the need for it…it’s a bit of a stalemate, then…but through time there has always been resistance to progression in striving for equality…so, it’s just slogging on, really ….

the vast majority of people were fully supportive of the kick it out campaign which is the official anti racism campaign supported by all the international football bodies. Then England decided to take the knee and associate themselves with black lives matter, an american extreme left political organisation. Can you not see whats wrong with that? It's alienating so many people and sets the fight against racism backward not forward

[Ammi]

…it’s a very simple gesture and visual gestures are important as well to show support and to show a one mind and a one goal…it has no more meaning than that except for anyone who wishes to place more meaning, which mindsets like Farage try to in order to prohibit and prevent and keep the boat rocking how he prefers it…it doesn’t embody a complete belief in a movement that some seem very oppose to…it’s a gesture of equality…so there is the kick out movement…? …I get that also but I’m sorry, I just can’t get into a mindset that it can only be one thing…we have kick out so nothing further is necessary or wanted, this is how it is…?…how can restrictions like that be placed on equality and then any hope that progression will happen…it may prove to be meaningless and not progress anything at all..?…of course that’s possible… but it won’t change that being in one mind of a continued reaching of equality and being together in that…if something so united and simple in terms of a gesture could alienate and divide…then that mindset was very open to being alienated and divided so again…it very much shows the need for that united determination…

[arista]

Last Question on Question Time.

BLM Political is from USA
thats the problem,
Yanis from Greece Loves it.


Of Course He would................

A UK Football Pitch
is the wrong place.
Southgate is a Fool on "this"





Its Sport
Not Woke Politics

[bots]

…it’s a very simple gesture and visual gestures are important as well to show support and to show a one mind and a one goal…it has no more meaning than that except for anyone who wishes to place more meaning, which mindsets like Farage try to in order to prohibit and prevent and keep the boat rocking how he prefers it…it doesn’t embody a complete belief in a movement that some seem very oppose to…it’s a gesture of equality…so there is the kick out movement…? …I get that also but I’m sorry, I just can’t get into a mindset that it can only be one thing…we have kick out so nothing further is necessary or wanted, this is how it is…?…how can restrictions like that be placed on equality and then any hope that progression will happen…it may prove to be meaningless and not progress anything at all..?…of course that’s possible… but it won’t change that being in one mind of a continued reaching of equality and being together in that…if something so united and simple in terms of a gesture could alienate and divide…then that mindset was very open to being alienated and divided so again…it very much shows the need for that united determination…

People cant dictate what a gesture means to someone else. Can't you see the irony in putting that forward.

The connection to BLM is very real, people arent making it up. I am not someone who would boo about it, but i most certainly don't like it and the longer it continues the more I will voice my opposition to it. It is my right to say I do not agree with what the gesture means to ME. It's connected with extreme left politics, and I will never ever support that

[Shaun]

"the connection to BLM is very real" except for... the literal proof and etymology (it originating with Colin Kaepernick) that it isn't, and the absence of any England footballers or staff endorsing BLM.

Christ it must be exhausting reading so much into an anti-racism campaign.

[AnnieK]

It's not forcing it down anyone's throat though. They aren't asking the fans to kneel, its the player's and their choice. Some PL players have stopped doing it and that's their choice. It's a 1 minute thing, don't like it, don't watch, get a brew etc. We have to watch them either looking stoney faced or pretending to know the National Anthem before the match, its just something they now do. :shrug:

The likes of Rashford and Stirling get racist abuse during and after some games from their own fans, let alone when they play for England against some of the Eastern European teams.

[bots]

it is forcing it down peoples throats .... that's why they are doing it :laugh:

Anyway, i will always support removing racism, but i will never support anything associated with BLM. So, for me it is now counter productive and that's not what you want from a campaign

i'm sure the extreme left wing on this forum are perfectly fine with it, as it aligns with their politics, but the vast majority of the country are not extreme left wing as evidenced by recent elections, so, its not going to get the support it would have if it were free of politics

[Ammi]

…it is free of politics, that’s the point…there is no politics in an anti discrimination gesture…the politics are being placed on it in a way of preventing….


…the resistance to it, to me is saying…we already have as much ‘equality’ as we’re comfortable with, we don’t need more….the fact that there is resistance and opposition as there is…?…to me show how much it’s needed to continue and I’m glad that that’s what the mindset atm within the football body is…

[Ammi]

…I’m perfectly fine with it, I’m not extreme left or extreme anything and any way that I might vote politically for my reasons…have no bearing on that I’m fine with it…

[AnnieK]

…I’m perfectly fine with it, I’m not extreme left or extreme anything and any way that I might vote politically for my reasons…have no bearing on that I’m fine with it…

This for me too

[Liam-]

If being ‘extreme left’ means that I’m fine with people protesting against racism and trying to make actual changes to help fight discrimination, then count me the **** in

[arista]

…I’m perfectly fine with it, I’m not extreme left or extreme anything and any way that I might vote politically for my reasons…have no bearing on that I’m fine with it…


So what.


This is the Wrong Politics
on a Live UK Football Match



It will be Boooo'd every time.

[arista]

If being ‘extreme left’ means that I’m fine with people protesting against racism and trying to make actual changes to help fight discrimination, then count me the **** in


No you are Forcing USA BLM
on a UK Match.

[Ammi]

So what.


This is the Wrong Politics
on a Live UK Football Match



It will be Boooo'd every time.

…it’s not politics for those taking the knee, it’s a simple gesture of unity and like mindedness against racism and in support of equality…why should those who are practising it and know it’s meaning for them, take on the politics of others because they’re seeing their own meaning and placing political on it…

…society is only where it is through persistence and determination over things like booing ../…resistance to change or progression….

[Niamh.]

…it’s not politics for those taking the knee, it’s a simple gesture of unity and like mindedness against racism and in support of equality…why should those who are practising it and know it’s meaning for them, take on the politics of others because they’re seeing their own meaning and placing political on it…

…society is only where it is through persistence and determination over things like booing ../…resistance to change or progression….

I agree with this, there is and has always been a problem with racism in football/soccer and I think it's a nice gesture of solidarity among the players. I don't think any player should be forced into doing it but I don't see a problem with those who want to do it, to continue doing it? I don't see how it warrants boos either

[joeysteele]

…it’s not politics for those taking the knee, it’s a simple gesture of unity and like mindedness against racism and in support of equality…why should those who are practising it and know it’s meaning for them, take on the politics of others because they’re seeing their own meaning and placing political on it…

…society is only where it is through persistence and determination over things like booing ../…resistance to change or progression….

I totally agree.

I support the players doing so myself too.
There clearly us from the booing, still elements of racism that perhaps needs to be stamped out of sport.

[arista]

…it’s not politics for those taking the knee, it’s a simple gesture of unity and like mindedness against racism and in support of equality…why should those who are practising it and know it’s meaning for them, take on the politics of others because they’re seeing their own meaning and placing political on it…

…society is only where it is through persistence and determination over things like booing ../…resistance to change or progression….


That does not matter
The Fact they are Doing the USA BLM Political Move
Upsets the UK Fans
can you not understand that???????????????

[Ammi]

…why the lots of question marks, Arista…15 of them, I think…to express your disapproval that I don’t agree with you…yes, I do understand that others are trying to place some type of political meaning on it that isn’t there for those who are expressing it as a simple united gesture ….against racism and supporting equality…

… Wilfried Zaha doesn’t wish to take the knee so instead he ‘stands tall’…it still equates to the same gesture of being united against inequality…booing is booing equality, it’s not booing a gesture…I completely understand…

[Liam-]

No offence, but English football fans have shown over the years that they might be in dire need of a lecture or two on equality and racial sensitivity

[Nicky91]

No offence, but English football fans have shown over the years that they might be in dire need of a lecture or two on equality and racial sensitivity

+ i don't think UEFA wouldn't mind this at all, given their own #SayNoToRacism motto

[arista]

"yes, I do understand that others are trying to place some type of political meaning on it"


BLM USA Politics have no place
at the match

[Crimson Dynamo]

"yes, I do understand that others are trying to place some type of political meaning on it"


BLM USA Politics have no place
at the match

bang on right Arista and hopefully the cacophony of boos at each match will ram the point home

get up off your knees

[Ammi]

"yes, I do understand that others are trying to place some type of political meaning on it"


BLM USA Politics have no place
at the match

…and they’re not at the match unless you yourself are personally placing those politics at the match in your own mindset in a way to dismiss a simple equality support/anti racism gesture because enough is enough with this darn equality, let’s limit and restrict it, please…supporting a gesture is not supporting a movement and any and all politics attached or unattached to it…the players understand this and the federation understands this and apparently the government understand this as well as they’ve nodded their support of the gesture today and I would hope that most of the fans support it….so you can repeat to me, Arista…but it won’t change that taking the knee is not political….it’s an equality gesture and those who boo it are booing what it stands for…they’re booing equality and anti racism….

[Swan]

No offence, but English football fans have shown over the years that they might be in dire need of a lecture or two on equality and racial sensitivity

Honestly the majority of fans aren't racist at all, and couldn't care less if the players take a knee (we included). We just wanna support our team and hope they do well.

[arista]

No they are Booo ing the USA BLM Politics

[arista]

Scottish Teams have said they will Stand.

Thats better

[bots]

Scottish Teams have said they will Stand.

Thats better

they are going to kneel at wembley

[Cherie]

Scottish Teams have said they will Stand.

Thats better

yes

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/scotland-players-won-t-take-the-knee-before-euro-2020-matches-1.4589735

they will take the knee when they play the England game in solidarity

I think taking the knee is too mixed up with other issues, and it comes from America. they should come up with their own gesture which might have more impact tbh

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just get on with the game and leave the silly VS to social media

[arista]

they are going to kneel at wembley


Will they Get to Wembley?

[bots]

Will they Get to Wembley?



Scotland play England at Wembley next week :laugh:

[Cherie]

Will they Get to Wembley?

They are in the same group... :hee:

[arista]

Scotland play England at Wembley next week :laugh:


OK

[AnnieK]

Arista why you getting all bent out of shape about this when you obviously don't even follow football:laugh:

[arista]

Arista why you getting all bent out of shape about this when you obviously don't even follow football:laugh:


No time

[Liam-]

People are more offended by people kneeling than by the racism being protested against, it’s still shocking

[arista]

yes

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/scotland-players-won-t-take-the-knee-before-euro-2020-matches-1.4589735

they will take the knee when they play the England game in solidarity

I think taking the knee is too mixed up with other issues, and it comes from America. they should come up with their own gesture which might have more impact tbh



Taking the Knee represents USA Political BLM

[Zizu]

Why don’t they ask all the fans to cheer wildly whilst they’re kneeling and simply drown out the boos ?


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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/26AC/production/_118900990_guardian-nc.png

[Nicky91]

this thread didn't age well at all



https://c.ndtvimg.com/2019-12/fre2uph_gareth-southgate-afp_625x300_01_December_19.jpg

King Gareth proving the haters wrong :clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

the knee was booed a lot even if the BBC played fake crowd cheers on top and pretended we could not hear all the booing

[Beso]

I heard cheers, lots of them...it was like when nicky came out he house

[rusticgal]

Just as a matter of interest...how many other countries are doing this?

[bots]

Just as a matter of interest...how many other countries are doing this?

none that i am aware of. Scotland are doing a stand tomorrow and will take the knee next friday when they play england

[Cherie]

Just as a matter of interest...how many other countries are doing this?

Belgium took the knee last night while Russian players looked on

[Niamh.]

Belgium took the knee last night while Russian players looked onI mean Russia doesn't have the greatest record when it comes to racism in football [emoji1745]

[Cherie]

I mean Russia doesn't have the greatest record when it comes to racism in football [emoji1745]

I know i was just responding to who was taking the knee before games only seen England and Belgium so far, not seen the start of all the games though

[arista]

the knee was booed a lot even if the BBC played fake crowd cheers on top and pretended we could not hear all the booing



Ch4HDNews played the Boooo's


How Stupid of the BBC.
Good Job Tonight
GBNewsHD start s with Andrew Neil.

[bots]

isn't it a bit silly when gareth and the FA want to stop something as trivial as a boo. We live in a free society where people are still allowed to express their opinions in a peaceful manner

[Swan]

I know i was just responding to who was taking the knee before games only seen England and Belgium so far, not seen the start of all the games though

Turkey/Italy didn't, Wales/Switzerland did.

[Cherie]

Turkey/Italy didn't, Wales/Switzerland did.

Was just coming back to say Wales and Switzerland did :laugh:

[Liam-]

isn't it a bit silly when gareth and the FA want to stop something as trivial as a boo. We live in a free society where people are still allowed to express their opinions in a peaceful manner

So what’s the issue with the players kneeling then? If we’re free to express ourselves peacefully?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hungary
Denmark
Finland
Russia
Holland
Italy
Turkey
Croatia
Scotland

there will be more

details here

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/15221988/which-euro-2020-teams-knee-england-croatia/

[bots]

So what’s the issue with the players kneeling then? If we’re free to express ourselves peacefully?

everyone knows fine well what the issue is, it is the connection with the far left political group BLM in SPORT and if people dont like it, they can express their opinion peacefully, which they have

[Swan]

Was just coming back to say Wales and Switzerland did :laugh:

Those were the only teams i could remember who did/didn't off the top of my head :laugh:

[bots]

Those were the only teams i could remember who did/didn't off the top of my head :laugh:

i cant say i've even noticed if they did or didnt :laugh:

[Swan]

So what’s the issue with the players kneeling then? If we’re free to express ourselves peacefully?

I agree, no issue from me, im not bothered who kneels and who doesn't. But it should work both ways. If a player, or team chooses not to then that should be respected, you (not you) can't brand players or countries racist if they decide they don't want to take the knee.

[Swan]

i cant say i've even noticed if they did or didnt :laugh:

I mean im watching the Austria/N.Macedonia game right now and i can't even remember if either team took the knee :laugh:

[Liam-]

everyone knows fine well what the issue is, it is the connection with the far left political group BLM in SPORT and if people dont like it, they can express their opinion peacefully, which they have

So you’re not happy for players to protest against racism, but you’re perfectly happy for fans to boo when said players protest against racism, got it

[bots]

So you’re not happy for players to protest against racism, but you’re perfectly happy for fans to boo when said players protest against racism, got it

im not happy for players to associate with a political organisation, i'm perfectly happy for them to protest against racism. That's the problem, people are so quick to shout racist, when the complaining has nothing whatsoever to do with that

[Beso]

If the left hadnt grabbed BLM by the nuts, like a rampant woman you would have named Rambo back in the day, grabbing her latest conquest at 12.30 am on a friday night.

Then I reckon things would have been fine, but he left politicalised it...so we are where we are

[Niamh.]

I know i was just responding to who was taking the knee before games only seen England and Belgium so far, not seen the start of all the games though[emoji106]

[Zizu]

They should encourage fans to cheer wildly when they kneel .. that would at least drown out any boos.

It worked well today .


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[The Slim Reaper]

everyone knows fine well what the issue is, it is the connection with the far left political group BLM in SPORT and if people dont like it, they can express their opinion peacefully, which they have

Sorry bots, but this is mental. England fans have been connected to the far right for decades, and now the players have decided to support anti-racism, this is where you draw the line?

What are the connections with the far left, just out of interest, and what aims of BLM do you object to?

[Oliver_W]

I'm not a fan of BLM or any rioters, and I think kneeling on the ground makes them look daft and is performative rubbish

BUT it's not an argument worth having, even Piers Morgan supports the gesture...

[Crimson Dynamo]

They should encourage fans to cheer wildly when they kneel .. that would at least drown out any boos.

It worked well today .


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All you heard was booing

Despite fake BBC noises and hopefully the boos will get louder till this silly extreme left woke thing is over

[Zizu]

All you heard was booing

Despite fake BBC noises and hopefully the boos will get louder till this silly extreme left woke thing is over


Na .. loads of people were clapping and cheering ..


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Na .. loads of people were clapping and cheering ..


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That was piped in fake BBC sound effects. I have 2 pals there.
It was booooooooooooooo

[bots]

i don't know about boos or not but the crowd noise at that point was unnaturally loud for the small crowd in attendance :laugh:

[Nicky91]

All you heard was booing

Despite fake BBC noises and hopefully the boos will get louder till this silly extreme left woke thing is over

no, we should continue with this

[Ammi]

They should encourage fans to cheer wildly when they kneel .. that would at least drown out any boos.

It worked well today .


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…I don’t think they should encourage that because then that will become ‘the thing’ and a complete distraction, it’ll sadly be like a ‘game’ in itself of booing vs cheering which would be so wrong…the people who are making this gesture and taking the knee have repeatedly and repeatedly stressed that they are promoting equality and unity against racism and there is no political attachment to it…they’ve given their reasons for doing it …any ‘political’ is being attached with disregard of the intended meaning…

[bots]

the one that completely stuck out was the overly loud crowd noise at the england game. The actual knee event, if it does happen, lasts about 2 seconds max, so any crowd reaction would typically be of a similar duration.

[Ammi]

….well the reports seem to be that the support for the gesture was the thing much more overwhelmingly felt…:love:…

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Nigel Farage has doubled down on his criticism of the England football team
for its decision to continue to take the knee before matches, claiming politics
should be kept out of football.

Speaking during an interview with the newly-launched GB News channel on
Sunday night, Farage insisted the taking the knee gesture is synonymous
with the far-left Black Lives Matter political organisation.

“You cannot separate taking the knee from the Black Lives Matter movement.
It is an avowedly, openly Marxist organsiation that wants to defund the
police and bring down the whole of Western civilisation,” Farage claimed.


“Don’t take my word for it – just read the website! You can’t separate the
two. And I think Gareth Southgate who I admire in so many ways, when he
said this week: ‘We are about more than football’ – no, Mr Southgate, you
are about football.

https://foxhole.news/2021/06/14/farage-slams-those-attempting-to-separate-taking-the-knee-from-the-blm-organisation/

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Liam-]

Taking the knee started with Colin Kaepernick and he has nothing to do with the BLM ‘organisation’ it’s a physical symbol against racism, but people like Farage and his knuckle dragging, flag waving, bigoted moron fans, are frankly terrified of black people having more of a say in anything, so try and push this narrative that blm is trying to take over the world, it’s actually sickening

[Crimson Dynamo]

Taking the knee started with Colin Kaepernick and he has nothing to do with the BLM ‘organisation’ it’s a physical symbol against racism, but people like Farage and his knuckle dragging, flag waving, bigoted moron fans, are frankly terrified of black people having more of a say in anything, so try and push this narrative that blm is trying to take over the world, it’s actually sickening

so the England players are on their knees because they could not stand to show pride in the USA flag as it represents country that oppressed black people.

The English football team?

are you sure?

[bots]

taking the knee at football matches started at the moment of the blm protests, check the time line. If it originated years back they would have done it years back

[Crimson Dynamo]

taking the knee at football matches started at the moment of the blm protests, check the time line. If it originated years back they would have done it years back

and sky sports started using BLM idents and banners plus some BLM banners were used at prem teams

when the backlash came and it was established that the Floyd death was not anything to do with racism they all backtracked

"no,er..its about racism, in general, we do it "(forgetting they have kick it out)

its an embarrassing mess

[Crimson Dynamo]

England captain Harry Kane openly linked taking the knee with BLM

https://foxhole.news/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/210614-Harry-Kane-FH.jpg

Footage from December reveals that the captain of the England squad Harry
Kane openly linked the controversial taking of the knee before football
games with Black Lives Matter, despite insistence from the FA ahead of
yesterday’s game against Croatia that “English football has made it very clear
that it does not view this as being aligned to a political organisation or
ideology.”

The BBC reported the comments as Kane suggesting that “Premier League
players should continue to take a knee before matches in support of the
Black Lives Matter movement” and in the video Kane himself says: “I think
we’re a huge platform to share our voices across the world, to be honest.


“Obviously we’ve done a lot of stuff with the Black Lives Matter, taking the
knee before the game, and I hear people talking about taking the knee and
whether we should still be doing it and things like that, and for me I think we
should.”

https://foxhole.news/2021/06/14/england-captain-harry-kane-openly-linked-taking-the-knee-with-blm/

the captain of England ladies and gentlmen

:douf:

[The Slim Reaper]

Bigotry seeping out under the guise of being against black lives mattering. Just come out and say it, you don't have to hide behind some weird nonsense about Marxism (because we all know that some of the richest mid-20's dudes in the country would be avowed marxists).

Have the guts to say what you want to say.

BLM is only a political group if you view equality as being a political issue. All this innuendo and pretense. Take a stand against woke cancel culture and tell us what you really think.

[Liam-]

Bigotry seeping out under the guise of being against black lives mattering. Just come out and say it, you don't have to hide behind some weird nonsense about Marxism (because we all know that some of the richest mid-20's dudes in the country would be avowed marxists).

Have the guts to say what you want to say.

BLM is only a political group if you view equality as being a political issue. All this innuendo and pretense. Take a stand against woke cancel culture and tell us what you really think.

Preach it!

[Crimson Dynamo]

First line of the BLM wiki page

"Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement"

preach that

[The Slim Reaper]

OK, so what are their political aims?

I want sources from BLM themselves, not right wing mp's or journo's, but their own stated mission statement.

[Crimson Dynamo]

OK, so what are their political aims?

I want sources from BLM themselves, not right wing mp's or journo's, but their own stated mission statement.

lol then go scour their website to your hearts content

[The Slim Reaper]

lol then go scour their website to your hearts content

I'm not the one making up nonsense about what thy represent so I can try and justify why I'm against BLM.

Aren't you also the same person that demands sources from everyone on everything, and all that fit your specific requirements, just out of interest?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm not the one making up nonsense about what thy represent so I can try and justify why I'm against BLM.

Aren't you also the same person that demands sources from everyone on everything, and all that fit your specific requirements, just out of interest?

no

do your own research

wiki proved you wrong, dont get cross with me

[Marsh.]

Wiki can be edited by anyone. It is not a source.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wiki can be edited by anyone. It is not a source.

common misconception

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-32412121

"Anyone can - it's open to all and can be modified and edited by anyone. However, Wikipedia's administrators protect some pages from direct editing if they believe they are regularly subjected to "vandalism" - the addition of abusive language or falsehoods."

if you believe that the first line in the BLM entry is false then report it but i think you will find it is protected

[Marsh.]

common misconception

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-32412121

"Anyone can - it's open to all and can be modified and edited by anyone. However, Wikipedia's administrators protect some pages from direct editing if they believe they are regularly subjected to "vandalism" - the addition of abusive language or falsehoods."

if you believe that the first line in the BLM entry is false then report it but i think you will find it is protected

No misconception, in your own words "some pages". You could remove all doubt and use better sources. But never do. Funny that.

[The Slim Reaper]

no

do your own research

wiki proved you wrong, dont get cross with me

Wiki proved nothing. I can tell you the aims of the political groups I support or am against, so should be an easy find for someone so wrapped up in posting against them at every opportunity. I know what they what stand for, but the folks against them can only come out with an incoherent and jumbled mess.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wiki proved nothing. I can tell you the aims of the political groups I support or am against, so should be an easy find for someone so wrapped up in posting against them at every opportunity. I know what they what stand for, but the folks against them can only come out with an incoherent and jumbled mess.

well then i am glad you dont support BLM as you did not know what their political aims were

#progress

[The Slim Reaper]

well then i am glad you dont support BLM as you did not know what their political aims were

#progress

It would be more concerning if I was railing against a group when I didn't know what they stood for; and the fact you ran to google as soon as I suggested that fact, implies one of us was definitely correct.

Unless you think there might be a stigma attached to the real reason you don't like them...

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/11A00/production/_118929127_thetimes-nc.png

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E36ekvYVoAA9rg8?format=jpg&name=900x900

[bots]

whats happening here though is that gareth and the FA are trying to silence peoples right to peacefully protest against politics being used in sport

People cant be told what they should not be offended about, that's not how it works

[Liam-]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E36ekvYVoAA9rg8?format=jpg&name=900x900

:joker:

[Ammi]

…people can be offended for sure, but that’s because they’re placing a meaning on it that doesn’t represent it so basically creating their own offence or outrage…which seems to be the thing more and more atm with different things…

…I glanced at wiki just now and …. ‘The slogan "Black Lives Matter" itself remains untrademarked by any group.’….BLM represents peaceful protest and is displayed in many different ways…in football like this, it’s the taking of the knee…and it’s a united spirit against discrimination in sport, no more/no less…as has been said…that’s the only meaning placed on it…the stalemate is that the objections are trying to silence that peaceful gesture….

[The Slim Reaper]

whats happening here though is that gareth and the FA are trying to silence peoples right to peacefully protest against politics being used in sport

People cant be told what they should not be offended about, that's not how it works

You have that the complete wrong way round. First off, taking the knee was the first gesture in this scenario. I think we can agree that fans weren't booing players before kick-off until this happened, so just by the sequence of events, then England "fans" are trying to shut down a peaceful protest.

And again, why is black lives mattering viewed as a distasteful message - political or otherwise, that should be protested?

To be clear, I agree you have a right to protest against equality, but I've yet to see a coherent or honest reason beyond...Marxism innit.

Poppies are political but I've never seen England fans boo their use, or seen anyone say that politics should be kept out of sport. It's only this one specific instance...

[Crimson Dynamo]

football fans boo at away fans, refs, bad decisions by their manager, players from all teams, players in their own team, they boo police, the boo security staff, they boo mascots in fact they boo nat pretty much everything so why are you bothered that they boo a silly misguided gesture?

[The Slim Reaper]

football fans boo at away fans, refs, bad decisions by their manager, players from all teams, players in their own team, they boo police, the boo security staff, they boo mascots in fact they boo nat pretty much everything so why are you bothered that they boo a silly misguided gesture?

I mean, one of us is really bothered and the other is only asking for an honest explanation that forces the other one to run to google :blush:

[Beso]

OK, so what are their political aims?

I want sources from BLM themselves, not right wing mp's or journo's, but their own stated mission statement.

How about you do what you tell others to do and go find it yourself.

[The Slim Reaper]

How about you do what you tell others to do and go find it yourself.

Bless you Parm, for running to LT's aid.

I'm actually using LT's playbook by telling people what sources I will and won't accept, but I don't remember seeing you tell him to find stuff himself.

[Beso]

Bless you Parm, for running to LT's aid.

I'm actually using LT's playbook by telling people what sources I will and won't accept, but I don't remember seeing you tell him to find stuff himself.

He hasnt ever told me to do my own research...you however have...so just returning the favour for once.

[The Slim Reaper]

He hasnt ever told me to do my own research...you however have...so just returning the favour for once.

You're a good friend Parm. LT will be very proud of you. :blush:

[Beso]

You're a good friend Parm. LT will be very proud of you. :blush:

Where you been anyway?

I was hoping for some competition in strictly, but you dicked off.

[The Slim Reaper]

Where you been anyway?

I was hoping for some competition in strictly, but you dicked off.

Had some fairly serious family issues that I had to deal with, unfortunately, so whooping yo ass at strictly had to take a backseat!

[Beso]

Had some fairly serious family issues that I had to deal with, unfortunately, so whooping yo ass at strictly had to take a backseat!

Oh, I hope everything's smoothed out for you.

Have a nice day.

[The Slim Reaper]

Oh, I hope everything's smoothed out for you.

Have a nice day.

It's on-going, but thanks, and take it easy yourself.