Oxford College Students Remove the photo of the Queen

[arista]

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They Hate the British Queen.
Woke Students, no less.

[Crimson Dynamo]

silly kids trying to feel important. the boy that proposed it is an American i read

[jet]

If a picture of the Queen makes them feel uncomfortable how will they ever get through life.

[bots]

i'm not going to get all hot and bothered about them removing a picture, who cares, and why is it front page news

[joeysteele]

Actually, I don't agree with the majority of them voting for this.
However they voted to remove it from for their time there, THEIR common room.
They should be able to say who and what is in their common room.

They've just had it removed.
Their reasoning not what I'd agree with but more of them voted to have it removed.

It's a bit rich of politicians making noises about this and disrespect for the Queen, when we operate a Parliament, where all MPs have to swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen, yet the Commons in parliament is the one place in her realm the Queen isn't allowed to enter voluntarily and is in fact barred from.

Utter tripe.

[Nicky91]

i'm not going to get all hot and bothered about them removing a picture, who cares, and why is it front page news

the daily express do care, otherwise they didn't put it front page in HUGE lettertype


but i don't get why its front page news either :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

i'm not going to get all hot and bothered about them removing a picture, who cares, and why is it front page news

i guess it plays to the whole statue toppling/blm/hard left university cancel culture narrative

[Oliver_W]

I wonder what entitled little Karen decided to get the ball rolling...

[arista]

6 or more Students Love
to Cancel The Queen.

[Liam-]

Since when is a vote to choose the decoration of a shared space considered ‘cancelling’?

[Samm]

since when did this country worship it's unelected leaders so much

[Crimson Dynamo]

since when did this country worship it's unelected leaders so much

England has done so for at least 1000 years

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/09/10/43989183-9667433-Education_Secretary_Gavin_Williamson_pictured_has_ slammed_the_ab-a-36_1623231094835.jpg

[arista]

silly kids trying to feel important. the boy that proposed it is an American i read


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/09/10/44003741-9667433-In_a_statement_MCR_President_Matthew_Katzman_told_ MailOnline_The-a-32_1623231094828.jpg
[Matthew Katzman (pictured),
tables all motions as part of his position as
President of the Middle Common Room (MCR) at
Magdalen College, Oxford]



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9667433/American-scholar-tabled-motion-cancel-Queen.html

[Marsh.]

If only people got outraged over things that matter. And that goes for both sides.

[Beso]

Shouldn't they be learning ?

[user104658]

Some students: "We don't like this portrait and are taking it down from our living space."

Bwitish press: "STUDENTS ARE CANCELLING THE QUEEN!!!"

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[bots]

i wonder if the british public will be equally incensed that i took my photo of auntie mildred off the fireplace

[Niamh.]

i wonder if the british public will be equally incensed that i took my photo of auntie mildred off the fireplace

:laugh:

[joeysteele]

i wonder if the british public will be equally incensed that i took my photo of auntie mildred off the fireplace

:joker: nice one

[Tom4784]

Only the Daily Mail could try to stir up an outrage about people taking down a painting. I pity the gullible little idiots that eat this **** up and get mad about it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Only the Daily Mail could try to stir up an outrage about people taking down a painting. I pity the gullible little idiots that eat this **** up and get mad about it.

there is zero evidence to suggest anyone is mad about this

[user104658]

there is zero evidence to suggest anyone is mad about this

:think:

"OUTRAGE AS STUDENTS VOTE TO AXE QUEEN"

"Oxford students sparked anger"

"Education Secretary condemned the move"

"Lord Patten called it offensive and obnoxiously ignorant"

"HOW DARE THEY!"

"Oxford students cancel our queen!"

"STUDENTS sparked FURY last night by taking down a portrait of the queen"



... and that's just a quick scan over a couple of front page screenshots...

If you want evidence of some REALLY peeved-sounding individuals, try the DM comments :joker:

[Liam-]

Imagine moving into a house and being told you can’t paint the walls because it would be disrespectful to the previous owners

[Tom4784]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9664583/Oxford-University-college-votes-remove-portrait-Queen-common-room.html

Go to the comments and click best rated, that's a lot of gullible little idiots outraged over a painting.

[Cherie]

Imagine moving into a house and being told you can’t paint the walls because it would be disrespectful to the previous owners

eh they are passing through they haven't bought the gaff, its more akin to going to a hotel and tearing down the wall art because it disturbs you

I wonder why that guy is here at all, if he is that bothered about it.... did he not know about it before he applied to a Uni in the UK?

but Oxford you know, will look good on his CV :hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9664583/Oxford-University-college-votes-remove-portrait-Queen-common-room.html

Go to the comments and click best rated, that's a lot of gullible little idiots outraged over a painting.

ModernTalking, Oxford, United Kingdom, 20 hours ago

This country is systematically tearing itself apart. It's so so sad.

:laugh: oh yes that is a little bit of an overreaction as a top voted comment

[Amy Jade]

students are getting death threats for deciding to take an ugly picture down?

This country is embarrassing.

[Tom4784]

Saying the country is tearing itself apart because someone voted to take down a painting isn't outrage?

'How can these brain dead come to the conclusion that a woman who dedicated over 70 YEARS of her life to the benefit of the UK, Commonwealth and beyond is not inspirational. What the actual F U K C is going on in UK universities?!?!'

'The World has gone completely mad, and the University's are just letting it happen.'

'chichorita, Glasgow, United Kingdom, 19 hours ago

So sad

Chrissy., Shrewsbury., United Kingdom, 19 hours ago

Not sad,disgusting and disrespectful.

Popsicle Sunset, Bellingham, United States, 15 hours ago

Probably going to be replaced with a picture of Karl Marx'

'They should be ashamed of themselves'

'Oh no - that is my college - I loved it but I do NOT agree with this . The world has gone mad'

'Ordinary, upnorth, United Kingdom, 20 hours ago

The college should get cancelled

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CanadianKitty, Thunder Bay, Canada, 19 hours ago

Right on!!

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Rebecca Ford, portsmouth, United Kingdom, 19 hours ago

And closed down immediately.'

'whoever agreed with this should be sacked tomorrow. Anyone who wants to live somewhere else can leave too. Disgusting'

'Disgraceful behaviour, if they get any funding at all from the government it should be withdrawn immediately.'

'Pathetic moronic snowflakes.'

'Universities now serving no purpose. All government money should be removed.'

'Absolutely sickening, I'm so fed up of this rubbish'

'Sooo disrespectful! They should be ashamed often themselves.'

'Trayc, Middlesex, United Kingdom, 18 hours ago

What other country in the world with a monarch would do this??? Absoulute nonsense!!

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Bill1955, Leeds, United Kingdom, 18 hours ago

Life in prison or worse in thailand'

'This is an absolute disgrace. The UK is now beyond redemption. We are getting out while we can.'

'ABSOLUTELY DISGRACEFUL !!!! The majority no longer count, and when that happens .... well review your history.'

'The woke are sucking the life out of everything and everybody. What miserable people they must be to want to make everyone else unhappy'

'This is absolutely disgraceful. These students are quite happy to attend a university founded upon the wealth of Britains imperial past. But reject our history and disrespect the Queen. Defund this university, they are not worthy of public support.'

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Carol, Ireland, 18 hours ago

Absolutely disgraceful! Students with no life experience or proper understanding of the world making studid decisions.

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Yorkshireman126, Sheffield, United Kingdom, 18 hours ago

Name and shame them! Better still, bring back National Service to teach these wasters some respect for our Country and Monarch'

'This university is turning into a joke wokerversity'

'So you want to study in our amazing uni's and colleges but our Queen might offend you... You shouldn't be here sorry this is so wrong!'

'What are they teaching in universities nowadays? Absolute national disgrace !'

'Stop the world I want to get off! Absolutely wrong on every level. I hate this woke activism but what I hate more is how "we" are rolling over in submission. Disgusting, embarrassing, offensive...I could go on..'

'Just shut the place down and throw the students out of education they do not deserve it. I think we should have a people's March on this lot.'

'Removing a picture of the Head of State and the Head of the Church of England. I take that to mean that Christians are not welcome!!'

'Omg this is disgusting. Shame on all the idiot kids with no brains or life experience that voted on this.'

'Words fail me! Her Majesty has more integrity, grace, intelligence and compassion in her little finger than these champagne-swilling, Marxist idiots have in total. Damn disgraceful, should be had up for treason!'

That's just five minutes of scrolling through the top rated comments.

[Crimson Dynamo]

students are getting death threats for deciding to take an ugly picture down?

This country is embarrassing.

how on earth are you extrapolating one nutjob on social media to "the whole of the UK"?

:joker:

that is just as bad as the top comment on the DM site - (see above)

[Nicky91]

students are getting death threats for deciding to take an ugly picture down?

This country is embarrassing.

indeed, imagine caring way too much over some silly photo

not worth sending these students death threats for :idc:

[thesheriff443]

i wonder if the british public will be equally incensed that i took my photo of auntie mildred off the fireplace

What has that poor woman ever done to you

[Amy Jade]

Anyone outraged over a picture being taken down needs to really evaluate themselves.

[Beso]

If a picture of a little old lady offends you, you need your head examined and you need to reevaluate your life.

[Amy Jade]

If a picture of a little old lady offends you, you need your head examined and you need to reevaluate your life.

who said they were offended? The word I read was unwelcoming.

[Liam-]

I wouldn’t want a picture of somebody else’s grandmother in my living space either

[arista]

students are getting death threats for deciding to take an ugly picture down?

This country is embarrassing.



And the Staff that backed them

[arista]

I wouldn’t want a picture of somebody else’s grandmother in my living space either

Why Now?

[Ammi]

…this is really silly, it’s only a decorative picture that was chosen and bought and put up by the students of 2013…only a few years ago, it has no meaning and no history…it’s in no way a part of the college as such….it’s something that was liked at the time to decorate the common room and now something different is wanted for that room…did we even know it was up there from 2013….?…no, I very much doubt that…but its still preferred to be there…people didn’t know it was there, though…but just leave it, oi….:laugh:…seriously, life is way too fleeting for this…

[Cherie]

Anyone outraged over a picture being taken down needs to really evaluate themselves.

the students are outraged yes, they should have thrown a towel over it

remember when students protested about things that mattered like Save the Whale and Stop the Bomb :idc:

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/08/21/43218345-9664583-The_statue_of_Cecil_Rhodes_outside_Oriel_College-a-23_1623184307367.jpg

Outside
The Statue Remains

[jet]

They want it removed because ‘she represents recent colonial history’.
They haven’t a clue (Oxford - really?) They should want it kept up then because she is the one who has done more than any other single person to change Empire into the mutually supportive, multi racial and wonderfully diverse institution of the Commonwealth.

[bots]

if i remember my history correctly, it was Thomas Wolsey (the head of the catholic church in england) that founded Oxford University, and he basically raised the funds by taxing the english poor who couldnt afford it and by taking bribes from hostile foreign powers to sway the opinion of Henry 8th. So Oxford University isn't historically renowned for it's moral stance going right back to it's beginnings :laugh:

[Tom4784]

the students are outraged yes, they should have thrown a towel over it

remember when students protested about things that mattered like Save the Whale and Stop the Bomb :idc:

They don't seem all that outraged to me, they had a democratic vote and took it down. Now, if you want to see outrage, look at those people that think that defunding universities and declaring higher education worthless because a picture was taken down.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean I'd hate to think these students aren't at Oxford because they firmly believe that it will give them an unfair privileged leg up in their career at the expense of others?

I'm sure they just like the Town...

[user104658]

I mean I'd hate to think these students aren't at Oxford because they firmly believe that it will give them an unfair privileged leg up in their career at the expense of others?

I'm sure they just like the Town...


To be fair, University in the UK isn’t as pay-to-win as the US, anyone can go to Oxbridge if they get the grades. It doesn’t cost six-figure sums or require scholarships like the big US schools.

Not that there isn’t still an element of privilege of course - kids from better off homes and schools have an advantage in getting the best grades - but it shouldn’t really be ASSUMED. I know a couple of people from “normal backgrounds” who went to Oxford/Cambridge. My wife could have gone to Oxford for her masters but uprooting the kids to Engerland was not an option :hee:.

[Amy Jade]

the students are outraged yes, they should have thrown a towel over it

remember when students protested about things that mattered like Save the Whale and Stop the Bomb :idc:

They weren't outraged or they'd have ripped it down or burnt it.

They had a democratic vote and as a result the picture has been removed and put in storage.

[Beso]

Someone was outraged enough to start the motion to remove it...that cant be denied.

[Marsh.]

2013 "Some students decided to decorate the common room with a pic of the Queen"

2021 "Some students decided to decorate the common room with something else"

That's literally it.

Meanwhile in other news... the tories are breaking the law... again.

[Beso]

2013 "Some students decided to decorate the common room with a pic of the Queen"

2021 "Some students decided to decorate the common room with something else"

That's literally it.

Meanwhile in other news... the tories are breaking the law... again.


You will find there was exceptional circumstances surrounding that...ie, emergency situations.

I would have done the same myself in that situation, a situation where speed was of an essence.

[Marsh.]

You will find there was exceptional circumstances surrounding that...ie, emergency situations.

I would have done the same myself in that situation, a situation where speed was of an essence.

Didn't ask for excuses.

[Crimson Dynamo]

2013 "Some students decided to decorate the common room with a pic of the Queen"

2021 "Some students decided to decorate the common room with something else"

That's literally it.

Meanwhile in other news... the tories are breaking the law... again.

you missed out the culprit was American and he cited BS "Colonial" tropes as a reason

hence the reason the story got traction

and as is always said all stories get covered and i am sure the Guardian, Indie, Mirror , NYT, CNN, BBC, ITV, Twitter and myriad other media covered all aspect fo the "Tories" today

no point pretending 3 newspapers are all media

[Samm]

England has done so for at least 1000 years

time to stop now then!

[Tom4784]

2013 "Some students decided to decorate the common room with a pic of the Queen"

2021 "Some students decided to decorate the common room with something else"

That's literally it.

Meanwhile in other news... the tories are breaking the law... again.

The Tories breaking the law?

The UK:

https://media.tenor.com/images/95afc08a5162168fc9c6456a4d42e114/tenor.gif

Better to get mad about a painting being put in storage than actual corruption in the government being proven yet again.

[Beso]

Some say corruption, others see it as snap, life saving decisions.

[Marsh.]

you missed out the culprit was American and he cited BS "Colonial" tropes as a reason


So?
The nationality of one of the students and the reason they didn't want that particular decoration in their common room is really neither here nor there.

The next gen of students in the common room will no doubt vote on another change of decor in the future. The portrait is in storage, it's not been burned or vandalised.

There's really more important things in the world.

[Marsh.]

The Tories breaking the law?

The UK:

https://media.tenor.com/images/95afc08a5162168fc9c6456a4d42e114/tenor.gif

Better to get mad about a painting being put in storage than actual corruption in the government being proven yet again.

:joker:

[Livia]

They are obviously well qualified idiots.

[jet]

They are obviously well qualified idiots.

:laugh:

[joeysteele]

I still maintain although I don't agree with the reported reason re the Queen.
I still maintain the rights of students to vote and decide what they want in THEIR common room during their time at University.

[user104658]

I still maintain the rights of students to vote and decide what they want in THEIR common room during their time at University.

I agree Joey. Personally, we had a cork board covered in newspaper and magazine clippings that we would rearrange into imaginative and highly offensive phrases. Who needs pictures of Liz.

[Crimson Dynamo]

it was the reason for the removal that caught the eye

[Liam-]

How dare they choose to decorate their shared living space as they wish, the disrespectful youth these days! This wouldn’t have happened under Thatcher!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

How dare they choose to decorate their shared living space as they wish, the disrespectful youth these days! This wouldn’t have happened under Thatcher!!

so if it had been nelson mandela and the reason was

we would rather a white man on the wall

you would still say the same?

aye right

oh wait so its not just about decoration after all its all about context

who knew:shocked:

[arista]

How dare they choose to decorate their shared living space as they wish, the disrespectful youth these days! This wouldn’t have happened under Thatcher!!


We were a Changed nation
She won the Falklands War
beat the miners (Ref : CH5HD Docu)

[Tom4784]

Some say corruption, others see it as snap, life saving decisions.

I don't get why Tory supporters are so loyal. The tories are literally giving millions to their donors using public funds, and it's all sham deals.

The tories are handing over money that could have gone towards more equipment and resources and instead they gave it to their friends and it's okay because a bunch of tory supporting sheep will pretend that's them making 'snap, life saving decisions.'

Tory Supporters must have no self respect to excuse the tories trampling all over them like that.

[jet]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-queen-portrait-oxford-b1862588.html

Boris Johnson joins ‘culture wars’ attack on students for removing Queen portrait at Oxford college

Boris Johnson has weighed in on the “culture wars” battle over the removal of a portrait of the Queen from an Oxford students’ common room by sending out a message that he “supports” education secretary Gavin Williamson’s criticism of the decision.....

[Marsh.]

it was the reason for the removal that caught the eye

The reason is neither here nor there.

[Marsh.]

so if it had been nelson mandela and the reason was

we would rather a white man on the wall

you would still say the same?

aye right

oh wait so its not just about decoration after all its all about context

who knew:shocked:

A crap analogy that makes no sense.

Are we going to start policing people's decisions for what images they do or don't display in their own living spaces?

Are we going to make it compulsory for an image of the Queen to be displayed? Despite the image in question only being there from 2013?

[Livia]

Having read the full story now, and understand that the picture was a photograph purchased by previous students and installed in 2014. The papers had intimated that it was a painting that had hung for years. Shameful display by the tabloids as usual.

[Ammi]

…this is really silly, it’s only a decorative picture that was chosen and bought and put up by the students of 2013…only a few years ago, it has no meaning and no history…it’s in no way a part of the college as such….it’s something that was liked at the time to decorate the common room and now something different is wanted for that room…did we even know it was up there from 2013….?…no, I very much doubt that…but its still preferred to be there…people didn’t know it was there, though…but just leave it, oi….:laugh:…seriously, life is way too fleeting for this…

2013 "Some students decided to decorate the common room with a pic of the Queen"

2021 "Some students decided to decorate the common room with something else"

That's literally it.

Meanwhile in other news... the tories are breaking the law... again.

…tbf, this is a really perfect example of how it’s less about news or facts etc and more about creating outrage …facts/news etc don’t create the talking points, it’s outrage that does because it’s outrage that gathers into a collective so easily and so quickly…it’s a willingness to genuinely believe that if a picture is changed in a common room that none of us ever knew was there anyway…somehow there is a bigger meaning that national concern needs to represent….the media reported more detail around the pic being removed and stored and it’s a two way thing…it’s not just how the media report, it’s how it’s all absorbed as well …


A few years ago, in about 2013, they bought a print of a photo of the Queen to decorate their common room.



…also interesting what Marsh said in that outrage is often used to divert that ‘meanwhile in other news…’ stuff….

[Beso]

Why doesn't this young american chap **** off back to an america college campus and attempt to remove the stars and stripes from the campus walls..

Lets see how well that goes.

[joeysteele]

…tbf, this is a really perfect example of how it’s less about news or facts etc and more about creating outrage …facts/news etc don’t create the talking points, it’s outrage that does because it’s outrage that gathers into a collective so easily and so quickly…it’s a willingness to genuinely believe that if a picture is changed in a common room that none of us ever knew was there anyway…somehow there is a bigger meaning that national concern needs to represent….the media reported more detail around the pic being removed and stored and it’s a two way thing…it’s not just how the media report, it’s how it’s all absorbed as well …


A few years ago, in about 2013, they bought a print of a photo of the Queen to decorate their common room.



…also interesting what Marsh said in that outrage is often used to divert that ‘meanwhile in other news…’ stuff….


This is my point too Ammi.
I mean the rag that is used so often on here to supposedly make valid extreme points like the Mail..
Even worse those tabloid trash.

They long ago stopped being 'NEWS' papers.
They are publications and determinedly by their own choice to be divisive publications.

Avoiding real news, that is negative to their own agendas.

The duty of a real news industry should be to present the news as it is.
Good and bad.
Not how they want it to be.

The press particularly have just got shamefully worse.
I actually think we have the worst press possible now..
Why people waste at least hundreds of pounds a year, every year on the gutter trash they are, astounds me..

I've long held the view if someone quotes the press to me it's going to be more likely wrong than right.

[Withano]

The **** was a picture of the queen doing in a college common room anyway lol

I’d imagine most people in the country would want her photo out of their common room / break room / personal space. It’s not the right vibe.

[joeysteele]

The **** was a picture of the queen doing in a college common room anyway lol

I’d imagine most people in the country would want her photo out of their common room / break room / personal space. It’s not the right vibe.

It's not the right vibe.

You're right, I agree.

[Marsh.]

Why doesn't this young american chap **** off back to an america college campus and attempt to remove the stars and stripes from the campus walls..

Lets see how well that goes.

Why don't you read the actual story and make yourself look less foolish.

[arista]

Now some Teachers are not teaching
over the Rhodes Statue - Again.


The best way round this is to put a Sign-Up
listing all his bad actions
and good actions he did.

[Swan]

After knowing a bit more about all this, it just looks like it's a non story really.

[bots]

After knowing a bit more about all this, it just looks like it's a non story really.

it is absolutely a non story :laugh: What it does is highlight how much the media bait people into outrage

[Beso]

Why don't you read the actual story and make yourself look less foolish.

I have..so you can stop being your usually rude self, thank you.

[Marsh.]

I have..so you can stop being your usually rude self, thank you.

Given your responses you clearly don't, hence resorting to xenophobia.

[Ammi]

it is absolutely a non story :laugh: What it does is highlight how much the media bait people into outrage

…it isn’t just the media to bait into outrage, though….I commented on this story just recently….

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375598


…because it was intimated that students had caused substantial actual damage to their university property and a ‘fake’ picture shown of an abandoned building room which had no bearing on the real story …and that and those students became the focus of ‘outrage’ very quickly …but I don’t think that was media led ….it was obvious that the damaged room didn’t look like a recent thing and a few seconds of googling the image would have confirmed that…we talk about ‘cancel culture’ a lot and become outraged about that as well so frequently…:laugh:…but I’m finding it very interesting to observe ‘outrage culture’ which to me seems to be a growing thing from different sources of media and non media…