View Full Version : Birmingham:Hosp.Worker used dead patient's bank card to buy crisps, sweets and fizzy
arista
10-06-2021, 01:00 PM
Covid Hospital Worker
Used dead patient's bank card to buy crisps,
sweets and fizzy drinks.
Scum/
[A healthcare assistant working on a COVID
ward has been convicted of using a
dead patient's bank card to buy crisps,
fizzy drinks and sweets from a hospital
vending machine.
Ayesha Basharat, 23, took the card
from an 83-year-old woman who had recently
passed away at Heartlands Hospital in Birmingham.
A doctor recorded her time of death as 1.56pm
on 24 January, but just 17 minutes later,
Basharat made six £1 purchases using
the vending machine's contactless payment system.]
https://news.sky.com/story/hospital-worker-in-birmingham-on-covid-ward-used-dead-patients-bank-card-to-buy-crisps-sweets-and-fizzy-drinks-from-vending-machine-12329096
user104658
10-06-2021, 01:08 PM
£6. Grim.
Not that it would be "fine" if someone stole significantly more than that, but seriously.
It reminds me of when little bits and pieces of charity money used to get stolen from the counter at work. Like obviously all stealing is wrong but you can ALMOST understand someone running off with £100 that they've seen lying on the counter...
...but when someone pilfers a £2 coin from cancer research, it's just somehow so much more sad.
Shaun
10-06-2021, 01:09 PM
I... almost admire the audacity :worry:
my contactless payment is on my watch which requires my pulse to use it
honestly if i die do i give a **** if someone used my money to buy a meal deal for their lunch? i wouldn't because i'll be dead
honestly if i die do i give a **** if someone used my money to buy a meal deal for their lunch? i wouldn't because i'll be dead
but your family would rightly be somewhat peaved
honestly if i die do i give a **** if someone used my money to buy a meal deal for their lunch? i wouldn't because i'll be dead
No that's very true, i wouldn't either. But can you not see the utter disrespect on the nurse's part? The woman had been dead for 17 mins, and the nurse was down the shop using her bank card. Sod the money, it's the principal. Absolutely disgusting. Imagine if that was your granny, one of your loved ones?!
Revolting behaviour. Complete lack of respect for human life. Heartless!
GoldHeart
10-06-2021, 01:45 PM
honestly if i die do i give a **** if someone used my money to buy a meal deal for their lunch? i wouldn't because i'll be dead
Do you not think it's insensitive though ? , why would someone do that .
arista
10-06-2021, 02:08 PM
sky news truly scraping the barrel as for news stories these days
:laugh3: :laugh3:
who cares about this
Look Nicky a
Crime is a Crime
it would be the same in your Little Nation.
Liam-
10-06-2021, 02:15 PM
Imagine wanting some jelly tots so badly you’re willing to risk going to prison
Elliot
10-06-2021, 02:17 PM
honestly if i die do i give a **** if someone used my money to buy a meal deal for their lunch? i wouldn't because i'll be dead
Right? :skull:
Get her ugly mug on the internet and shame the heartless woman
Niamh.
10-06-2021, 02:21 PM
£6. Grim.
Not that it would be "fine" if someone stole significantly more than that, but seriously.
It reminds me of when little bits and pieces of charity money used to get stolen from the counter at work. Like obviously all stealing is wrong but you can ALMOST understand someone running off with £100 that they've seen lying on the counter...
...but when someone pilfers a £2 coin from cancer research, it's just somehow so much more sad.
Yeah, I'm not sure how to articulate it but it's almost like trivialising the death of a person more or something?
arista
10-06-2021, 02:25 PM
Get her ugly mug on the internet and shame the heartless woman
That Could Destroy Her.
Jordan.
10-06-2021, 02:27 PM
there's a mugshot in the article?
UserSince2005
10-06-2021, 02:32 PM
When will the GBP realise the NHS is trash?
arista
10-06-2021, 02:35 PM
there's a mugshot in the article?
Yes but its a Close Face one
there's a mugshot in the article?
Ewww, shes ugly.
Cherie
10-06-2021, 02:49 PM
honestly if i die do i give a **** if someone used my money to buy a meal deal for their lunch? i wouldn't because i'll be dead
crisps, fizzy drink sweets...lunch
so you would rob somsome you came across lying dead on the street....lovely!
There are certain things you expect in a civilised society and robbing the dead isn't one of them
Smithy
10-06-2021, 02:52 PM
honestly if i die do i give a **** if someone used my money to buy a meal deal for their lunch? i wouldn't because i'll be dead
Mte
rite at the responses.. the old dear was 83 maybe she told ha she could grab some little bits for herself
so you would rob somsome you came across lying dead on the street....lovely!
Think I would call 999 first luv
GoldHeart
10-06-2021, 03:10 PM
When will the GBP realise the NHS is trash?
The NHS IS NOT trash :rolleyes: , we can't judge everyone the same just because this particular NHS worker decided to be disrespectful and cold to the dead. I actually worry about the future of the NHS.
Cherie
10-06-2021, 03:12 PM
Think I would call 999 first luv
In my scenario they are dead and you are picking their pockets ...
In my scenario they are dead and you are picking their pockets ...
You can't put a conscience into somebody who hasn't got one, don't waste your time.
Cherie
10-06-2021, 03:17 PM
You can't put a conscience into somebody who hasn't got one, don't waste your time.
True Swan
I can't @ people thinking this is a crime :joker:
dead = dead, no offense, like i said earlier at least the money was spent for good purpose, yes crisps, sweets is much better than what some youth thugs spend their money on these days, namely drugs, guns, alcohol
if the story was like '' hosp worker used dead patient's bank card to buy drugs''
well then it would be differently for me, then i would see it as a crime
Please stop embarrassing yourself.
Niamh.
10-06-2021, 03:22 PM
honestly if i die do i give a **** if someone used my money to buy a meal deal for their lunch? i wouldn't because i'll be dead
if the story was like '' hosp worker used dead patient's bank card to buy drugs''
well then it would be differently for me, then i would see it as a crime
So it's only stealing if you buy drugs with the money? I don't think that's how the law works Nicky :laugh:
didn't a policeman go to jail for doing something similar at a murder crime scene?
i'm embarrassing myself?
i'm not the one stressing over nothing
Yeah you're right, **** the elderly lady, she's dead now, might as well throw her in the wheelie bin and be done with it.
I can't @ people thinking this is a crime :joker:
dead = dead, no offense, like i said earlier at least the money was spent for good purpose, yes crisps, sweets is much better than what some youth thugs spend their money on these days, namely drugs, guns, alcohol
If no crime was committed cause she was dead, then jimmy saville is innocent of many of his crimes committed in hospitals.:shrug:
Nicky91
10-06-2021, 03:30 PM
Yeah you're right, **** the elderly lady, she's dead now, might as well throw her in the wheelie bin and be done with it.
No, i don't mean it like that
GoldHeart
10-06-2021, 03:33 PM
Why is nobody wondering why this hospital worker is going through a dead patient's personal belongings in the first place , the only way you'd want to go through a patient's wallet / personal stuff etc is to find ID and contact details for their family and next of kin surely ? . Why would the first thought be to steal money/ use their credit cards??!:umm2:
Cherie
10-06-2021, 03:36 PM
No, i don't mean it like that
will you rob your Nan when she dies Nicky?
Why is nobody wondering why this hospital worker is going through a dead patient's personal belongings in the first place , the only way you'd want to go through a patient's wallet / personal stuff etc is to find ID and contact details for their family and next of kin surely ? . Why would the first thought be to steal money/ use their credit cards??!:umm2:
sounds to me like it was a daily occurrence and how they paid for their snacks every day
AnnieK
10-06-2021, 03:59 PM
Its not about the amount or what she bought. Its an abuse of her position and the trust the family have put in the NHS. I am sure she was overworked and underpaid as a HCA at the moment but stealing from a dead woman....is low.
It may seem trivial to some as it was only £6 but that woman's family will not think like that. They have just lost a family member and someone is stealing from them before they're even cold??? Grim tbh
user104658
10-06-2021, 04:02 PM
sounds to me like it was a daily occurrence and how they paid for their snacks every day
Hm. Perhaps not "daily" but yeah it may well not be the first time.
Marsh.
10-06-2021, 04:06 PM
rite at the responses.. the old dear was 83 maybe she told ha she could grab some little bits for herself
:joker:
Nicky91
10-06-2021, 04:07 PM
Its not about the amount or what she bought. Its an abuse of her position and the trust the family have put in the NHS. I am sure she was overworked and underpaid as a HCA at the moment but stealing from a dead woman....is low.
It may seem trivial to some as it was only £6 but that woman's family will not think like that. They have just lost a family member and someone is stealing from them before they're even cold??? Grim tbh
well said
Crimson Dynamo
10-06-2021, 04:11 PM
makes you wonder what else NHS staff are robbing?
Cherie
10-06-2021, 04:27 PM
makes you wonder what else NHS staff are robbing?
taking the jelly desserts from the geriatric ward :worry:
AnnieK
10-06-2021, 04:31 PM
well said
I'm glad you feel that way Nicky.
The woman who died will not feel aggrieved but her family will. They may not even have been informed before this woman stole from her. Its a massive abuse of trust
If a NHS worker wants to treat herself to dinner on my card after I’ve died I’m fine with that tbf
Nicky91
10-06-2021, 04:55 PM
I'm glad you feel that way Nicky.
The woman who died will not feel aggrieved but her family will. They may not even have been informed before this woman stole from her. Its a massive abuse of trust
of course i know this, it also happens in my nation yes, i see on our crimewatch over here way too many times, also to still living elderly, whom get robbed by young girls usually, whom seem harmless at first but distract the older lady/man long enough to go through his/her wallet, also sometimes before this following their intended victim in the supermarket to look at pin number first
i am most definitely not ageist, and i myself would never ever do something like this
AnnieK
10-06-2021, 05:01 PM
If a NHS worker wants to treat herself to dinner on my card after I’ve died I’m fine with that tbf
You might be,but you think your family would be happy that someone who was meant to be looking after you had stolen from you before you were cold?
I would have been livid if an NHS worker had stolen from my mum....she wouldn't have cared but its just the abuse of trust, not the money that would have pissed me off. I would have let her use my mums card had she asked but to gave taken it without asking is grim.
If it was me lying there dead I'd feel like you, but that's not the point....people are bound to be pissed off. If a nurse nicked your wallet while you were visiting someone would you just let that go? This is no different:shrug:
Nicky91
10-06-2021, 05:03 PM
You might be,but you think your family would be happy that someone who was meant to be looking after you had stolen from you before you were cold?
I would have been livid if an NHS worker had stolen from my mum....she wouldn't have cared but its just the abuse of trust, not the money that would have pissed me off. I would have let her use my mums card had she asked but to gave taken it without asking is grim.
If it was me lying there dead I'd feel like you, but that's not the point....people are bound to be pissed off. If a nurse nicked your wallet while you were visiting someone would you just let that go? This is no different:shrug:
everyone has their own views about this i think
but i now get it myself why some think of this as a crime
Cherie
10-06-2021, 05:03 PM
If a NHS worker wants to treat herself to dinner on my card after I’ve died I’m fine with that tbf
why not treat them why you are alive, why wait until you are dead, hand over your card details, I am sure TS's wife would love a treat
whose to say they werent doing exactly the same with all the patients in critical care. If someone is caught having done this, its very unlikely it was the first time
Cherie
10-06-2021, 05:05 PM
You might be,but you think your family would be happy that someone who was meant to be looking after you had stolen from you before you were cold?
I would have been livid if an NHS worker had stolen from my mum....she wouldn't have cared but its just the abuse of trust, not the money that would have pissed me off. I would have let her use my mums card had she asked but to gave taken it without asking is grim.
If it was me lying there dead I'd feel like you, but that's not the point....people are bound to be pissed off. If a nurse nicked your wallet while you were visiting someone would you just let that go? This is no different:shrug:
for all anyone knows it could have been a joint account with her husband/partner, its no better than grave robbing
In my scenario they are dead and you are picking their pockets ...
Exactly your own scenario that you’ve created :flower:
Cherie
10-06-2021, 05:07 PM
everyone has their own views about this i think
but i now get it myself why some think of this as a crime
nah some views are manufactured bait lbr
Amy Jade
10-06-2021, 05:12 PM
This is really sad
Marsh.
10-06-2021, 05:19 PM
The fact she bought such childish/trivial things with it is :umm2:
Amy Jade
10-06-2021, 05:20 PM
I'd like to know more before wading in. I wouldn't do what the worker did, especially after the lady had passed.
However, the lady could have given permission and the worker made an error or even done it not knowing she had passed.
I've been in situations where patients have tried to give me things and even money that I've had to refuse and I know one lady who works with me occasionally in duo calls and she takes patients cards to tap pay for food for them, I don't do it because I know we aren't meant to but the woman has been with the company for about 20 years so she can't be stealing or it'd been noticed imo
Cherie
10-06-2021, 05:41 PM
I'd like to know more before wading in. I wouldn't do what the worker did, especially after the lady had passed.
However, the lady could have given permission and the worker made an error or even done it not knowing she had passed.
I've been in situations where patients have tried to give me things and even money that I've had to refuse and I know one lady who works with me occasionally in duo calls and she takes patients cards to tap pay for food for them, I don't do it because I know we aren't meant to but the woman has been with the company for about 20 years so she can't be stealing or it'd been noticed imo
If you read the report she said she found it on the floor and confused it with her own card...she never mentioned consent by the patient
Amy Jade
10-06-2021, 05:44 PM
then maybe she did find it and mistake it for hers?
If you read the report she said she found it on the floor and confused it with her own card...she never mentioned consent by the patient
Ironically, if she'd have been 'clever' she could have used that as an excuse - "oh the patient said i could use it". No real way of disproving that. Some criminals are pretty smart, this one on the other hand....
I'd like to know more before wading in. I wouldn't do what the worker did, especially after the lady had passed.
However, the lady could have given permission and the worker made an error or even done it not knowing she had passed.
I've been in situations where patients have tried to give me things and even money that I've had to refuse and I know one lady who works with me occasionally in duo calls and she takes patients cards to tap pay for food for them, I don't do it because I know we aren't meant to but the woman has been with the company for about 20 years so she can't be stealing or it'd been noticed imo
Your first paragraph....why on earth you feel the need to justify that you wouldnt do what she did is beyond me:shrug:
then maybe she did find it and mistake it for hers?
She didnt, the court proved that.
Tom4784
10-06-2021, 05:51 PM
It's grim and audacious but if it was me, I wouldn't particularly care for such a small amount. If the nurse had made off with the person's life savings, that would be different, but £6? I can forgive that if it was me or a relative. I'd say it speaks to the state of the NHS if a nurse has to steal to pay £6 worth of food.
Get her ugly mug on the internet and shame the heartless woman
Why are you more bothered about £6 than the tories siphoning millions of taxpayer pounds to their backers and friends? You should ask yourself why you think theft on a grand scale is okay, but you're up in arms about £6. In fact, I ask that of all tory supporters, sort out your priorities.
Crimson Dynamo
10-06-2021, 05:58 PM
snip. I'd say it speaks to the state of the NHS if a nurse has to steal to pay £6 worth of food.
Nurses get on average 34K a year to pretend she was poor and had to steal a dead persons money to buy crisps, sweets and fizzy pop (because when you are starving that is what you deffo would buy) is frankly ridiculous
Cherie
10-06-2021, 06:02 PM
Food...:facepalm:
Amy Jade
10-06-2021, 06:02 PM
Your first paragraph....why on earth you feel the need to justify that you wouldnt do what she did is beyond me:shrug:
Because our jobs are similar, as we are both caring for others.
I even went more indepth and explained. Patients try and give me items often and I've been asked several times to go to the shop and had to refuse as we aren't to touch their cards.
Amy Jade
10-06-2021, 06:05 PM
Nurses get on average 34K a year to pretend she was poor and had to steal a dead persons money to buy crisps, sweets and fizzy pop (because when you are starving that is what you deffo would buy) is frankly ridiculous
They only have pop, crisps and sweets in vending machines don't they?
So even if she was starving she wasn't going to get a Sunday roast out of them is she.
Cherie
10-06-2021, 06:07 PM
They only have pop, crisps and sweets in vending machines don't they?
So even if she was starving she wasn't going to get a Sunday roast out of them is she.
Hospital restaurant....coffee shop in the lobby....if she needed food she could have gone to one of those
Crimson Dynamo
10-06-2021, 06:09 PM
They only have pop, crisps and sweets in vending machines don't they?
So even if she was starving she wasn't going to get a Sunday roast out of them is she.
to suggest a nurse is starving and has to steal dead peoples bank cards to eat jink food is just preposterous
Amy Jade
10-06-2021, 06:13 PM
Hospital restaurant....coffee shop in the lobby....if she needed food she could have gone to one of those
I highly doubt any of those were open in January, lockdown and all.
Oliver_W
10-06-2021, 06:15 PM
That's why you shouldn't have contactless - if you die, who knows what lunch someone might buy...
AnnieK
10-06-2021, 06:17 PM
then maybe she did find it and mistake it for hers?
The cards were different colours....she made 6 transactions, one later that night and then tried to use it again 4 days later......she surely would have realised days later that she had picked the wrong card up by mistake?
AnnieK
10-06-2021, 06:17 PM
Nurses get on average 34K a year to pretend she was poor and had to steal a dead persons money to buy crisps, sweets and fizzy pop (because when you are starving that is what you deffo would buy) is frankly ridiculous
She was a HCA, not a nurse and so probably on minimum wage of just over, not £34k
Cherie
10-06-2021, 06:35 PM
I highly doubt any of those were open in January, lockdown and all.
Yes they were for takeaway...the staff have to eat
Amy Jade
10-06-2021, 06:38 PM
That's why you shouldn't have contactless - if you die, who knows what lunch someone might buy...
I mean really you should be able to trust those who's job it is to care for you but I get your point
It's grim and audacious but if it was me, I wouldn't particularly care for such a small amount. If the nurse had made off with the person's life savings, that would be different, but £6? I can forgive that if it was me or a relative. I'd say it speaks to the state of the NHS if a nurse has to steal to pay £6 worth of food.
Why are you more bothered about £6 than the tories siphoning millions of taxpayer pounds to their backers and friends? You should ask yourself why you think theft on a grand scale is okay, but you're up in arms about £6. In fact, I ask that of all tory supporters, sort out your priorities.
If it was you, you would have bought shoes as well.
Marsh.
10-06-2021, 07:24 PM
Nurses get on average 34K a year
Can always rely on you pulling that 34k figure out where it doesn't apply.
The cards were different colours....she made 6 transactions, one later that night and then tried to use it again 4 days later......she surely would have realised days later that she had picked the wrong card up by mistake?
Yep. There are no excuses. The callousness of the nurse is easily apparent here.
AnnieK
10-06-2021, 09:05 PM
Ex nurse.
She was never a nurse
Tom4784
10-06-2021, 09:14 PM
Nurses get on average 34K a year to pretend she was poor and had to steal a dead persons money to buy crisps, sweets and fizzy pop (because when you are starving that is what you deffo would buy) is frankly ridiculous
Just a reminder that you're more angry about £6 then millions of taxpayers' money being given away to Tory donors.
Food...:facepalm:
Ah, I forgot, crisps and sweets aren't food... Thank you, for reminding us of that.
Livia
11-06-2021, 09:43 AM
I'm surprised some people are dismissing this so lightly. I think it'd be different if it was a relative of theirs that had just died and then been robbed by someone who was trusted to care for them. The amount doesn't matter.
user104658
11-06-2021, 10:03 AM
To be honest I don't really buy the excuse that she thought it was hers... I think she just thought no one would ever notice. However it is feasible that she found the card and didn't know who it belonged to (let alone that they had just died). Still not OK obviously... there's a reputational issue here. It would actually be more clear cut if she WAS a nurse as it would be an NMC/Registration issue and there would definitely be an investigation at that level... with her being staff without a formal registration it's more just down to the employer, and I guess the police, although I doubt the police are massively interested over £6.
user104658
11-06-2021, 10:05 AM
In terms of "if she had been a nurse"... basically if it was found that she used a stolen card knowingly, in the hospital, while on shift, I think it's pretty much certain that she would lose her registration and no longer be able to work as a nurse.
But again, NMC stuff is different from "usual employment" stuff and they have strict rules about professional standards etc.
user104658
11-06-2021, 10:07 AM
...although on top of that, if a staff member when I worked retail had been caught using a customer's card that had been found... whether that customer was alive or dead... they would almost certainly have been fired for gross misconduct.
i think anyone who has had a relative in hospital that required critical care would be asking serious questions. Those who have relatives in critical care now will likely have huge trust issues brought on by this, the amount of the theft is irrelevant
Elliot
11-06-2021, 10:33 AM
If a NHS worker wants to treat herself to dinner on my card after I’ve died I’m fine with that tbf
Yeah I’d rather have a few quid go in the pocket of a healthcare worker than the Tory goverment
joeysteele
11-06-2021, 10:43 AM
I'm surprised some people are dismissing this so lightly. I think it'd be different if it was a relative of theirs that had just died and then been robbed by someone who was trusted to care for them. The amount doesn't matter.
I agree with this.
The amount doesn't matter at all.
Furthermore is this the first time too.
rusticgal
11-06-2021, 10:44 AM
Well these responses are quite revealing.....how anyone can defend it or make light of it is extremely worrying.
Amy Jade
11-06-2021, 10:51 AM
I agree with this.
The amount doesn't matter at all.
Furthermore is this the first time too.
I doubt it, probably done it before.
I don't get how you could though.
AnnieK
11-06-2021, 10:55 AM
To be honest I don't really buy the excuse that she thought it was hers... I think she just thought no one would ever notice. However it is feasible that she found the card and didn't know who it belonged to (let alone that they had just died). Still not OK obviously... there's a reputational issue here. It would actually be more clear cut if she WAS a nurse as it would be an NMC/Registration issue and there would definitely be an investigation at that level... with her being staff without a formal registration it's more just down to the employer, and I guess the police, although I doubt the police are massively interested over £6.
The Police were interested considering its been through the court:
"She admitted theft and fraud by false representation, and was given two, five-month jail terms to run concurrently, suspended for 18 months."
The Slim Reaper
27-06-2021, 02:49 PM
my contactless payment is on my watch which requires my pulse to use it
Are you a fcuking Bond Villain?
Marsh.
27-06-2021, 02:51 PM
Is that your pulse or any pulse? :smug:
Cherie
27-06-2021, 02:52 PM
Are you a fcuking Bond Villain?
:joker:
Are you a fcuking Bond Villain?
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/29/14/12723426-6960459-image-a-3_1556542834237.jpg
user104658
27-06-2021, 03:04 PM
Imagine dragging Bots' lifeless corpse to the Tesco self-checkout only to discover that his Apple Pay watch needs a damned pulse to activate, and having to do CPR just to pay for your meal deal. Grim.
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