BBC bans white people from applying for £18,000 trainee job

[arista]

The position is 'only open to black, Asian and
ethnically diverse candidates'
Positive discrimination is illegal but
'positive action' is allowed for trainee roles]


This will not be debated on BBC AM.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9704235/BBC-sparks-discrimination-row-banning-white-people-applying-18-000-trainee-job.html


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/19/19/44433017-9704235-image-a-3_1624128972743.jpg
[BBC director general Tim Davie
has said that the lack of diversity among
its top-paid stars means the
broadcaster 'has more work to do' on the issue]



Typical of the BBC

[Oliver_W]

'positive action' is allowed for trainee roles]


There's nothing positive about racist discrimination.

If it was an apprentice or just a minimum wage position it would be almost excusable, but proper jobs shouldn't have racial barriers.

[UserSince2005]

I wish I was black. I would have been a multi millionaire by now with all the opportunities that would have been thrown my way.

[user104658]

For a position like this why bother restricting applications? If you have a preference in mind for the selection then just make that selection :think:. I can see the argument for “wasting people’s time” but for an unpaid trainee position I don’t think that’s a huge concern. Just be clear from the outset that there are expected to be a lot of applicants, which should avoid getting anyone’s hopes up too high.

[arista]

For a position like this why bother restricting applications? If you have a preference in mind for the selection then just make that selection :think:. I can see the argument for “wasting people’s time” but for an unpaid trainee position I don’t think that’s a huge concern. Just be clear from the outset that there are expected to be a lot of applicants, which should avoid getting anyone’s hopes up too high.



It shows how Nasty the BBC are.

[Strictly Jake]

Racism works both ways, no?

[Swan]

The race divide continues.

[Crimson Dynamo]

the bbc are out of control

[AnnieK]

I wish I was black. I would have been a multi millionaire by now with all the opportunities that would have been thrown my way.

You said in the past you are black??

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369248&highlight=race

[Marsh.]

If it was an apprentice or just a minimum wage position it would be almost excusable

18k is minimum wage if it's a full time job?

[Marsh.]

You said in the past you are black??

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369248&highlight=race

:laugh2:

[bots]

some day, the best person for the job will get employed. I know it's a fantasy, but i can dream

[Oliver_W]

Racism works both ways, no?

Both? There are more than two races. Black people can be racist against Indians, who can be racist against Chinese ... Who can all be racist against whites.

There's no both ways about it, anyone can be either a perpetuator or victim of racism.

[The Slim Reaper]

It's not about being racist against honkys. It's the opposite in fact because the crackers are over represented in most industries, so trying to find a bit of balance from a cross section of all British communities isn't racist.

I don't remember seeing this kind of outrage when Muslim, Indian, or African names aren't even given interviews.

It's about over representation, not discrimination.

[The Slim Reaper]

US2005 entering a thread

kga2soqvMF0

[Swan]

It's not about being racist against honkys. It's the opposite in fact, because the crackers are over represented in most industries, so trying to find a bit of balance from a cross section of all British communities isn't racist.

I don't remember seeing this kind of outrage when Muslim, Indian, or African names aren't even given interviews.

It's about over representation, not discrimination.

Why does race need to be highlighted though? I mean, by law of averages more white people will apply for most jobs based purely on the fact the the UK population is over 80% white.

We may look somewhat different on the outside, but on the inside we're the exact same. Isn't that what it should be about? Equal, never treated lesser, never treated more than, equal.

Im not outraged or anything, the BBC get to do what they like, it's their Corporation they can hire who they like, i just don't see this as progression. The opposite in fact.

Logic would say hire the best person for the job, no matter race.

[The Slim Reaper]

Why does race need to be highlighted though? I mean, by law of averages more white people will apply for most jobs based purely on the fact the the UK population is over 80% white.

We may look somewhat different on the outside, but on the inside we're the exact same. Isn't that what it should be about? Equal, never treated lesser, never treated more than, equal.

Im not outraged or anything, the BBC get to do what they like, it's their Corporation they can hire who they like, i just don't see this as progression. The opposite in fact.

Logic would say hire the best person for the job, no matter race.

Because history and experience have proved that best person for the job doesn't really exist a lot of the time, and studies have shown that using the exact same CV but with different names yields different results. Maybe their last 15 trainees were white dudes, so are looking to add different experiences into the mix.

[Nicky91]

and you think i'm supposed to believe this ''story''


not surprised it is the pathetic losers of dailyfail coming up with this non-story :idc:



try harder next time dailyfail :rolleyes:

[The Slim Reaper]

It shows how Nasty the BBC are.

I know it was a long time ago, but remember when you lied about only disliking the BBC because of the licence fee?

[Cherie]

It's not about being racist against honkys. It's the opposite in fact because the crackers are over represented in most industries, so trying to find a bit of balance from a cross section of all British communities isn't racist.

I don't remember seeing this kind of outrage when Muslim, Indian, or African names aren't even given interviews.

It's about over representation, not discrimination.

Is that you Monique?

[The Slim Reaper]

Is that you Monique?

Slimniqua thank you very much :smug:

[rusticgal]

Is that you Monique?


:laugh:

[arista]

I know it was a long time ago, but remember when you lied about only disliking the BBC because of the licence fee?


No Its Still Why I Am Angry at the BBC TAX
it has got to change.
Take it from the General Tax



This is a New Topic
and I can say they are Nasty.

[Moniqua]

Is that you Monique?

i didn’t send for you so don’t come for me yeah?

[Moniqua]

:laugh:

what’s funny bird?

[Barry.]

You said in the past you are black??

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369248&highlight=race

Just another fib in his web of lies dear

[Oliver_W]

and studies have shown that using the exact same CV but with different names yields different results.

Do you have a link to any of these "studies"? Without seeing their methodology, it's hard to know how trustworthy they are - names like Shoniqua and Precious probably would be overlooked in favour of Emily and Tarquin. Just like how CVs from Billy-Bob and Jaiden/Braiden/Kaiden and Shantelle would probably end up in the bin.

If they used trashy names for one and nice names for another, of course the results will be unbalanced.

[The Slim Reaper]

Do you have a link to any of these "studies"? Without seeing their methodology, it's hard to know how trustworthy they are - names like Shoniqua and Precious probably would be overlooked in favour of Emily and Tarquin. Just like how CVs from Billy-Bob and Jaiden/Braiden/Kaiden and Shantelle would probably end up in the bin.

If they used trashy names for one and nice names for another, of course the results will be unbalanced.

Yeah, you and I have had this exact conversation before. I provided the links then, not doing it again when you have google.

[Oliver_W]

Yeah, you and I have had this exact conversation before. I provided the links then, not doing it again when you have google.
Oh yeah, the links didn't mention the names they used did they. So they're useless.


Maybe their last 15 trainees were white dudes, so are looking to add different experiences into the mix.

That's not the fault of "white dudes" who want to get into the industry now, so why should they suffer for it? :shrug:

[DouglasS]

Is that you Monique?

:laugh:

[AnnieK]

Do you have a link to any of these "studies"? Without seeing their methodology, it's hard to know how trustworthy they are - names like Shoniqua and Precious probably would be overlooked in favour of Emily and Tarquin. Just like how CVs from Billy-Bob and Jaiden/Braiden/Kaiden and Shantelle would probably end up in the bin.

If they used trashy names for one and nice names for another, of course the results will be unbalanced.

There have been loads of these studies...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46927417

https://www.raconteur.net/hr/diversity-inclusion/ethnic-name-bias/

https://www.ibtimes.com/employment-discrimination-adam-or-mohamed-study-shows-muslims-have-harder-time-2487220

The REC also issued guidance on similar studies to its members.

[Moniqua]

:laugh:

leave it out jack, go get that pasty skin out in some sun you need it luv

[The Slim Reaper]

Oh yeah, the links didn't mention the names they used did they. So they're useless.




That's not the fault of "white dudes" who want to get into the industry now, so why should they suffer for it? :shrug:

That's an interesting way to imprint your own biases onto a study you'd forgotten had even existed 30 seconds ago.

Besides, there wasn't really any difference between non-white names, the only difference was white/non-white.

You're nearly there - you're right that it isn't the fault of white dudes that are already on the scheme, but I think you miss the point of discrimination versus over representation.

[user104658]

18k is minimum wage if it's a full time job?


Depends. Most 9-5 jobs don’t actually pay the lunch hour (or at least don’t legally have to) so a full time working week is actually only 35 hours, which comes out at around 16.5k salary

Assuming lunch hour isn’t paid, £18k works out as about £10/hour [/nitpick]

[Oliver_W]

Depends. Most 9-5 jobs don’t actually pay the lunch hour (or at least don’t legally have to) so a full time working week is actually only 35 hours, which comes out at around 16.5k salary

Assuming lunch hour isn’t paid, £18k works out as about £10/hour [/nitpick]

Yeah that's what I thought, I thought minimum wage was like £16kish

[Mitchell]

You said in the past you are black??

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369248&highlight=race

:hehe:

[Tom4784]

Ah, the Daily Mail, to be expected.

[Marsh.]

Do you have a link to any of these "studies"? Without seeing their methodology, it's hard to know how trustworthy they are - names like Shoniqua and Precious probably would be overlooked in favour of Emily and Tarquin. Just like how CVs from Billy-Bob and Jaiden/Braiden/Kaiden and Shantelle would probably end up in the bin.

If they used trashy names for one and nice names for another, of course the results will be unbalanced.

:facepalm:

[Beso]

Ah, the Daily Mail, to be expected.

That's baiting...or maybe tired old baiting..

Thats what we need on tibb..a ban for baiting, and an extended ban for tired old baiting.

The place would be a better place for it.

In this tired old mans opinion.:wavey:

[Marsh.]

Oh, dear, someone's still bitter over their ban.

:pat:

[Tom4784]

That's baiting...or maybe tired old baiting..

Thats what we need on tibb..a ban for baiting, and an extended ban for tired old baiting.

The place would be a better place for it.

In this tired old mans opinion.:wavey:

I don't think you know what baiting means if you think pointing out that it's a daily mail article is baiting.

You really need to understand what words mean before you use 'em.

[Beso]

I may not know what baiting means, but I know what tired old baiting means.

[UserSince2005]

You said in the past you are black??

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369248&highlight=race

I thought I was but 23andme got in touch an told me the test results I received were someone else’s and I’m actually not 97% Nigerian / 3% djaboti

[Beso]

I thought I was but 23andme got in touch an told me the test results I received where someone else’s and I’m actually not 97% Nigerian / 3% djaboti

You must be at least 78 percent scottish after this weekend!

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Not bothered

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not bothered

About what?

Specificall

[Barry.]

I thought I was but 23andme got in touch an told me the test results I received were someone else’s and I’m actually not 97% Nigerian / 3% djaboti

Was your skin colour not a giveaway?

[GoldHeart]

Ah, the Daily Mail, to be expected.

What else would it be ,that seems to be the same trash paper we hear from :rolleyes:

[Nicky91]

Oh, dear, someone's still bitter over their ban.

:pat:

:joker::joker::joker:

[arista]

Ah, the Daily Mail, to be expected.

Stop Blaming a newspaper you hate.

Its is a Current News Story
debated on UK News and Radio
(Except the BBC)

[UserSince2005]

Was your skin colour not a giveaway?

I dont like to make racist assumptions.

[Cherie]

Stop Blaming a newspaper you hate.

Its is a Current News Story
debated on UK News and Radio
(Except the BBC)

yep it was debated on LBC yesterday by Majeed

[jet]

I don't think you know what baiting means if you think pointing out that it's a daily mail article is baiting.



When a Daily Mail commentators article criticises Boris or Right Wing policies, which they do when they feel its deserved, would you automatically disagree with them because its the DM! :hee:

[user104658]

When a Daily Mail commentators article criticises Boris or Right Wing policies, which they do when they feel its deserved

:umm2: If the DM comments start criticizing Boris you know he's really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, REALLY ****ed something up.

Or it's the rare occasion he's done something they find a bit too leftie or woke. "Boris has agreed to increase benefits for the scrounging parents of severely disabled children the DISGUSTING COMMUNIST!!!"

As for the other suggestion - they don't criticise right-wing policies. It simply doesn't happen. Maybe you'll find those comments if you "sort by most down-voted" or something but otherwise, this is a fantasy.


I'm not exaggerating in saying that the DM comments can be held up as literally the absolute worst of the internet. A cess pitt straight out of some ghoulish imagination in hell. It makes Twitter look like a nice walk on the beach. Heck, it makes the YouTube comments section - another hell hole -look nuanced and well-considered.

[arista]

yep it was debated on LBC yesterday by Majeed



Yes a Great Debate
lots of callers

[arista]

Live Debate on this Now
on Ch4HD Live Stephs show



BBC not permitted to debate this
"BBC Story"

[jet]

:umm2: If the DM comments start criticizing Boris you know he's really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, REALLY ****ed something up.

Or it's the rare occasion he's done something they find a bit too leftie or woke. "Boris has agreed to increase benefits for the scrounging parents of severely disabled children the DISGUSTING COMMUNIST!!!"

As for the other suggestion - they don't criticise right-wing policies. It simply doesn't happen. Maybe you'll find those comments if you "sort by most down-voted" or something but otherwise, this is a fantasy.


I'm not exaggerating in saying that the DM comments can be held up as literally the absolute worst of the internet. A cess pitt straight out of some ghoulish imagination in hell. It makes Twitter look like a nice walk on the beach. Heck, it makes the YouTube comments section - another hell hole -look nuanced and well-considered.

You’ve got it wrong. I said ‘commentators ARTICLES’ as in ‘reporters’ - not the comments, which I NEVER read. Obviously you do.
You also must read the DM every day, otherwise you wouldn’t know what all the articles in the print version are saying. It is one of several papers I take daily.
They even have positive Meghan and Harry news items quite often, which they could leave out if they wanted.
TS a DM reader, well well well.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:umm2: If the DM comments start criticizing Boris you know he's really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, REALLY ****ed something up.

Or it's the rare occasion he's done something they find a bit too leftie or woke. "Boris has agreed to increase benefits for the scrounging parents of severely disabled children the DISGUSTING COMMUNIST!!!"

As for the other suggestion - they don't criticise right-wing policies. It simply doesn't happen. Maybe you'll find those comments if you "sort by most down-voted" or something but otherwise, this is a fantasy.


I'm not exaggerating in saying that the DM comments can be held up as literally the absolute worst of the internet. A cess pitt straight out of some ghoulish imagination in hell. It makes Twitter look like a nice walk on the beach. Heck, it makes the YouTube comments section - another hell hole -look nuanced and well-considered.

first article i clicked on:

Beaming Queen, 95, arrives at Royal Ascot without her beloved Prince Philip - after she missed the event for the first time in her 68-year reign last summer because of the coronavirus pandemic

top comment:

Scotsman1000, United Kingdom, United Kingdom, 2 days ago

She is so lovely. Hope she enjoys her day.



yep its the worst of the internet that :hehe:

[Marsh.]

Meghan and Harry

https://media1.giphy.com/media/3o6gbcjYiGrpaLXy7K/giphy.gif

[Crimson Dynamo]

2nd random one:

Matt Hancock blames 'stress' for Boris Johnson calling him 'totally ********** hopeless' as
the Health Secretary insists he does not feel embarrassed by private messages published
by Dominic Cummings


top comment:

Karl09, Liverpool, United Kingdom, 1 hour ago

Well in this case, I must be stressed also. Because I feel the same! You are useless!

ie what most sane people think


:idc:

[The Slim Reaper]

wait, I've seen folks on here repeatedly defend the govs covid response but now it's the sane response

[Marsh.]

wait, I've seen folks on here repeatedly defend the govs covid response but now it's the sane response

Ikr. The same people who defended Cummings last year can now see what he is.

Anything for Boris to be blameless.

[The Slim Reaper]

Ikr. The same people who defended Cummings last year can now see what he is.

Anything for Boris to be blameless.

If those Boris text messages didn't exist it would have been: look at the far left attacking Hancock for vaccinating everyone successfully

[user104658]

2nd random one:

Matt Hancock blames 'stress' for Boris Johnson calling him 'totally ********** hopeless' as
the Health Secretary insists he does not feel embarrassed by private messages published
by Dominic Cummings


top comment:

Karl09, Liverpool, United Kingdom, 1 hour ago

Well in this case, I must be stressed also. Because I feel the same! You are useless!

ie what most sane people think


:idc:

LT are you using an example of someone backing up Boris Johnson's criticisms of Matt Hancock as evidence that people on the DM don't criticise Boris Johnson?

https://media.tenor.com/images/fd388e21d1ee121a17ebc665ab9d1b23/tenor.gif

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT are you using an example of someone backing up Boris Johnson's criticisms of Matt Hancock as evidence that people on the DM don't criticise Boris Johnson?

https://media.tenor.com/images/fd388e21d1ee121a17ebc665ab9d1b23/tenor.gif

no

just that not all the comments are from senior officials from the Waffen SS

[Livia]

Women are underrepresented at the BBC and they are also underpaid. I wonder whether the BBC thinks they are making up for that by using discriminatory tactics for other under-represented groups? The BBC sees black and white and nothing else.