Birmingham McDonald's: Woman chucks drink in Security blokes face

[arista]

[McDonald's security guard grabs Baton and beats young
prankster to ground then Kicks her in face after
she lobs drink at him outside Birmingham branch]


[It is only when the security guard continues
kicking the back of her head that an
onlooker shouts at him to stop.
The footage cuts out just after other bystanders
come into shot who have also been filming
without discouraging the security guard
from beating the unarmed woman.

McDonald's has been contacted for comment.]


Video on this link
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9730273/Horrific-moment-McDonalds-security-guard-grabs-BATON-mercilessly-beats-unarmed-woman-ground.html


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/27/15/44735679-9730273-image-m-149_1624803779006.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

poke a dog with a stick

dont moan about being bitten

[Marsh.]

Hopefully he gets what's coming to him. Scumbag.

[AnnieK]

The amount of violence was in no way proportionate. She instigated the altercation by throwing the ice but to kick and hit someone who is on the ground, especially around the head is disgusting.

[Vanessa]

Yes, it's too much. You can kill someone that way. :shocked:

[Cherie]

When he went back and kicked her again, he had lost all control, hope he is done for GBH

the guy filming as well instead of intervening

[arista]

When he went back and kicked her again, he had lost all control, hope he is done for GBH

the guy filming as well instead of intervening


Yes, he could get Sacked

[AnnieK]

Yes, he could get Sacked

He should get sacked....and criminal charges

[smudgie]

Ouch.
He should be done for GBH.
Such a big brave man....not.:fist:

[bots]

it's an assault charge if you don't use reasonable force, and that isn't reasonable force by any definition

[UserSince2005]

When she tried to laugh it off and he went back for more and kicked her in the head :skull:
People think they can do what they want to people with no consequences.
This day, she lost.
Treat people with respect.
Dont look down on people because of the job they do.
He’s not a dog. He showed her that.

[ThomasC]

it's an assault charge if you don't use reasonable force, and that isn't reasonable force by any definition

Yes. From a legality point of view the force used has to be reasonable, proportionate and necessary.

Doesn't fit any of those boxes.

[UserSince2005]

Imagine going to work every day and being treated like this constantly by scum. The man broke. And she got the brunt.

[ThomasC]

Imagine going to work every day and being treated like this constantly by scum. The man broke. And she got the brunt.

Yes, not that it excuses it.

He lost the plot though and rage took over.

Shouldn't be in that industry if you can't take the heat.

[Amy Jade]

He shouldn't have taken it as far as he did clearly, especially after she was on the floor but why throw ice in his face?

[Amy Jade]

Imagine going to work every day and being treated like this constantly by scum. The man broke. And she got the brunt.

That's not an excuse though.

I reach breaking point in my job occasionally, I get kicked, slapped, even had my hair pulled a few times. I get on with it and have a cry in the car, you can't become aggressive.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Imagine going to work every day and being treated like this constantly by scum. The man broke. And she got the brunt.

Agree

[Saph]

tbf id have smacked her too

[Livia]

She assaulted him. While he overreacted massively, she instigated it. Fingers crossed that this same reaction occurs next time someone throws a milkshake at someone.

[Babayaro.]

Not sure how anyone can condone that level of violence? :think:

She obviously acted like a dickhead by throwing her drink over him but his reaction was way over-the-top. It wasn’t even like a spur of the moment reaction in self defence, but instead he had time to go get his baton, walk over to her, proceed to beat her with it, walk away, walk back, and then kick her in the face.

Disgusting.

[Livia]

I don't think anyone's going to be pinning any medals on the security guard, he lost control completely and his response was waaaay over the top. But he wasn't the instigator. I certainly wouldn't employ him myself, and think he doesn't belong in any kind of job where he works with the public.

[user104658]

You definitely shouldn't work security if you can't keep your cool in response to violence... I'd also even with the job out of the equation though, argue that any physical retaliation to a drink being thrown is a massive over-reaction and quite concerning. Even if it was just the shoving to the ground. Kicking in the head...? ...because you got a drink over you...? No I don't think that's a normal "pushed to the edge" reaction, I think he might want to explore some sort of anger management therapy.

I'm even trying to think of extreme scenarios. I'm not a violent person and generally wouldn't hit (or even throw stuff) for any reason but let's say an extreme scenario where I look out the window and an adult man has just hit one of my kids. Would I get aggressive and shove? Definitely. Would I if I lost my cool start throwing punches? Very possible... but... would I aim a couple of kicks at their head on the ground. No... even in that circumstance... it's really a next-level form of aggression.

[Livia]

I think his firm's entry requirement should definitely have been a little more stringent. But they probably take who they can get.

Edit: And another thing... Security guards at McDonalds?

[user104658]

I think his firm's entry requirement should definitely have been a little more stringent. But they probably take who they can get.

Edit: And another thing... Security guards at McDonalds?

I was talking about this a couple of weeks ago - that when I was in London a couple of years ago, there were bouncers at KFC! Cherie told me it wasn't the case that London fast food places have bouncers but here's another one clear as day :fist:. Proven liar Cherie.

[Livia]

I'll try not to get too despondent at least until they have security checks at the Early Learning Centre. Then I'm throwing in the towel.

[Livia]

I was talking about this a couple of weeks ago - that when I was in London a couple of years ago, there were bouncers at KFC! Cherie told me it wasn't the case that London fast food places have bouncers but here's another one clear as day :fist:. Proven liar Cherie.

LOL... Cherie's here. Good luck TS, it's been a pleasure................

[bots]

i think there may be more security due to covid. There was a security guard at the shopping centre i visited recently and that was never the case before. He did absolutely nothing even though people were not wearing masks, but thats another story

[Cherie]

I was talking about this a couple of weeks ago - that when I was in London a couple of years ago, there were bouncers at KFC! Cherie told me it wasn't the case that London fast food places have bouncers but here's another one clear as day :fist:. Proven liar Cherie.

It's Birmingham if you read the article :hee:

he lobs drink at him outside Birmingham branch]


I accept apologies in currency

[user104658]

It's Birmingham if you read the article :hee:


The situation is spreading :worry:

[bots]

It's Birmingham if you read the article :hee:

he lobs drink at him outside Birmingham branch]


I accept apologies in currency

he should send you £1600 in bitcoins or else you will publish his most loved score for the last 3 years

[Cherie]

he should send you £1600 in bitcoins or else you will publish his most loved score for the last 3 years

:joker:

[Niamh.]

he should send you £1600 in bitcoins or else you will publish his most loved score for the last 3 years

https://media3.giphy.com/media/xT1XGU1AHz9Fe8tmp2/200w.gif?cid=82a1493buoy3viihzy4nyfj856ey9eukqopyd f5rpi7kke8u&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

[user104658]

Umm I would have won this year clearly, but I opted out and also I think it got cancelled because we all hate each other.

[Niamh.]

Umm I would have won this year clearly, but I opted out and also I think it got cancelled because we all hate each other.

:laugh2:

I was only going to vote if we could give minus points tbh :idc:

[Babayaro.]

Security at McDonald’s is fairly normal I thought? Especially late at night when your customers are predominately those going home from a night out

[user104658]

:laugh2:

I was only going to vote if we could give minus points tbh :idc:

Reminds me of a forum I used to be on where there was a reputation system where you got "green gems" under your name, but you could also "neg" and it went into a negative scale of "red gems"... so of course there was competition to have the most red gems.

[user104658]

Security at McDonald’s is fairly normal I thought? Especially late at night when your customers are predominately those going home from a night out

I've literally never seen it up here but then, I don't think I've ever been in a McDonalds later than maybe 10pm.

My KFC-bouncers experience was at like 6pm :joker:. Also it was 2018 I think, so well pre-Covid.

[Babayaro.]

I've literally never seen it up here but then, I don't think I've ever been in a McDonalds later than maybe 10pm.

My KFC-bouncers experience was at like 6pm :joker:. Also it was 2018 I think, so well pre-Covid.

The McDonald’s on princes street usually had them lol

[Niamh.]

They definitely had bouncers in Burger King when I was a teenager, I don't think McDonalds stayed open late back then, oh and there was an Abrakebabra that stayed open late and they had bouncers too

[user104658]

Could have done with them in the "all-night bakery" up in Dundee when I was a student to be fair - that place at 2am was full on Mad Max sometimes. Didn't help that it was actually in a warehouse type building on a random industrial estate nowhere near anything else. But it would have queues of students 50+ long from midnight - 3am :joker:.

[Babayaro.]

Ahhh the 24-hour bakery :joker: went there after my first legal night out

[Beso]

Surely when you are assaulted you should do everything you can to keep your assailant down, incase they get back up and try again.

[user104658]

Surely when you are assaulted you should do everything you can to keep your assailant down, incase they get back up and try again.

I don't think the "I murdered them because they threw a drink on me and I didn't want them to do it again" defense really stacks up in court.

You should respond with force that's proportionate to the situation. If someone is trying to kill you - do whatever it takes to keep them from doing that. If someone breaks into your house in the night by all means kick 'em down the stairs.

But no, responding to someone hitting/slapping/throwing something at you with GBH is not proportionate. Don't kick someone in the head unless you're ready for the consequences of them dying or suffering permanent disability - because they might.

[Ammi]

…this is really weird…(…and disturbing obviously…)…I don’t know what to make of it…there is a clearer vid on YouTube and the whole thing is very much ‘goaded’ and being laughed at…no concern from anyone filming it for her safety and at one little point it feels as though the ‘security person’ was laughing with them…as if it was all set up…I honestly just don’t know if it’s real or not but it’s pretty awful, obviously…the vid was posted by a YouTube ‘news channel’ so far as I can see but I don’t quite understand these things…maybe to create interest and shock value for their channel and to draw in views…?…anyways, having the baton would be a crime anyway…let alone using it…even security guards, if he indeed is one…are surely not legally allowed to carry or have a weapon of any sort…it’s all a bit weird and something feels a bit off….

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[thesheriff443]

if this was a cop we would have riots and blood on the streets.
He should lose his job and never work in security again.

[arista]

…this is really weird…(…and disturbing obviously…)…I don’t know what to make of it…there is a clearer vid on YouTube and the whole thing is very much ‘goaded’ and being laughed at…no concern from anyone filming it for her safety and at one little point it feels as though the ‘security person’ was laughing with them…as if it was all set up…I honestly just don’t know if it’s real or not but it’s pretty awful, obviously…the vid was posted by a YouTube ‘news channel’ so far as I can see but I don’t quite understand these things…maybe to create interest and shock value for their channel and to draw in views…?…anyways, having the baton would be a crime anyway…let alone using it…even security guards, if he indeed is one…are surely not legally allowed to carry or have a weapon of any sort…it’s all a bit weird and something feels a bit off….


Yes it does look like a set up
Having a baton - is strange for UK.
Is it a rough part of town?


This one did not hit Main TV news

[Ammi]

Yes it does look like a set up
Having a baton - is strange for UK.
Is it a rough part of town?


This one did not hit Main TV news

…it just feels as though it could have possibly all been staged to create interest in a new ‘YouTube news channel’…I might be wrong but at various points each one of them seemed to be laughing and cheering, very odd behaviour…obviously a disturbing ‘attack’ but it’s hard to know if it was a real attack…


…security guards are t allowed to legally have weapons let alone to use one…they have no authority to be ‘armed’ in any way…that would be a terrifying thought also…

[bots]

…it just feels as though it could have possibly all been staged to create interest in a new ‘YouTube news channel’…I might be wrong but at various points each one of them seemed to be laughing and cheering, very odd behaviour…obviously a disturbing ‘attack’ but it’s hard to know if it was a real attack…


…security guards are t allowed to legally have weapons let alone to use one…they have no authority to be ‘armed’ in any way…that would be a terrifying thought also…

it's another flavour of outrage generation by the sounds of it

[Ammi]

it's another flavour of outrage generation by the sounds of it

…the West Midland’s police have said that they’re aware of the vid circulating and are appealing for witnesses etc and trying to ascertain its authenticity etc…there is a train of though also that it is in fact a real reaction from the guard….?…and she was goaded to throw the drink by the people filming it and feeling an ‘assurance of protection’ from them if anything became threatening toward her …but that their intention was to just film any violence etc for the purpose ‘for likes’ and literally throw her under a baton…(…she may have emotional vulnerabilities…)…so I don’t know in all honesty, something just doesn’t fit right with any of it…but it’s all just speculation and I’m not sure whether the police will be able to shed any further light….

[Livia]

Surely when you are assaulted you should do everything you can to keep your assailant down, incase they get back up and try again.

Don't try to use that defence Parmy x

[ThomasC]

Surely when you are assaulted you should do everything you can to keep your assailant down, incase they get back up and try again.

Doesn’t work like that.

I very rarely have to use physical restraint so I know the legalities of it....but when I do it’s because the risk meets the need for it.

It has to be reasonable. This means that there is a risk of serious harm to myself, the public or severe property damage. It has to be proportionate, so using a hold would be proportionate whereas kicking someone in the head wouldn’t. Could I use pava spray or would I have to deploy taser for example or a batton gun ....necessary, does the risk presented make it necessary for me to use force or I can I de-escalate through other methods.

A restraint should also be used for the least amount of time. I could go on and write a lot about this, but it’s not necessary.

Having said all this, even though there will be approved techniques, someone is justifiably able to use other means of restraint, such as a kick to th4 head in the most severe situations where there is an immediate threat to life.

This occasion there wasn’t.

[user104658]

Did u know though

In risky medical settings (e.g. secure inpatient mental health or sometimes addictions services) - if a staff member or someone else (another member of staff, or a member of the public) is at risk, hair pulling is actually a legitimate and quite effective defense tactic for getting an attacker off of someone... especially a smaller staff member trying to get a larger patient off of someone else in order to restrain.

It's painful and efficient yet highly unlikely to cause serious injury.

Wig snatching. Who knew.

[edit] I actually feel like I should add to this though that most patients in addictions settings are not dangerous (to staff), that's actually an unfair stereotype as most tend to try their best to be respectful of NHS staff, and even the ones who like to mouth off, it's usually just that. They will knock lumps out of each other in the waiting room though :umm2:.

[Niamh.]

Yeah that makes sense actually TS

[ThomasC]

Did u know though

In risky medical settings (e.g. secure inpatient mental health or sometimes addictions services) - if a staff member or someone else (another member of staff, or a member of the public) is at risk, hair pulling is actually a legitimate and quite effective defense tactic for getting an attacker off of someone... especially a smaller staff member trying to get a larger patient off of someone else in order to restrain.

It's painful and efficient yet highly unlikely to cause serious injury.

Wig snatching. Who knew.

[edit] I actually feel like I should add to this though that most patients in addictions settings are not dangerous (to staff), that's actually an unfair stereotype as most tend to try their best to be respectful of NHS staff, and even the ones who like to mouth off, it's usually just that. They will knock lumps out of each other in the waiting room though :umm2:.

Again, depends on the circumstances. Different settings also use different training, mapa, price, team teach etc. Varies depending on the region or if emergency services can be force wide.

Corkscrew is a good one for releasing someone’s hold on hair.

Requires you placing your finger(s) through the clenched hand and making a corkscrew motion to release.

[bots]

Did u know though

In risky medical settings (e.g. secure inpatient mental health or sometimes addictions services) - if a staff member or someone else (another member of staff, or a member of the public) is at risk, hair pulling is actually a legitimate and quite effective defense tactic for getting an attacker off of someone... especially a smaller staff member trying to get a larger patient off of someone else in order to restrain.

It's painful and efficient yet highly unlikely to cause serious injury.

Wig snatching. Who knew.

[edit] I actually feel like I should add to this though that most patients in addictions settings are not dangerous (to staff), that's actually an unfair stereotype as most tend to try their best to be respectful of NHS staff, and even the ones who like to mouth off, it's usually just that. They will knock lumps out of each other in the waiting room though :umm2:.

i used to know someone that worked as a nurse in a secure hospital, and i lost count of the times he appeared battered and bruised.