Sophie : A Murder in West Cork - Netflix

[Niamh.]

Have you watched this one as well Ammi & Cherie? Also Smithy, might be interested.

The difference between this and the Jim Sheridan one is huge and I was thinking it would be biased and it was but it still convinced me once again that Ian Bailey is guilty

I liked how they focused a lot too on Sophie as a person rather than just the object of an investigation and I felt like we properly got to know her. I felt so bad for her parents and son. I'm glad though Pierre doesn't see Cork as the enemy and still sees West Cork as a place he feels close to his mother and where she loved despite the awful end she had here. https://i.imgur.com/soIsnP0.jpeg

[Ammi]

…oh I was going to post about this, this morning…I haven’t watched very much yet, though…I started to watch last night but was really tired so didn’t watch a whole episode but I’ll pick up again later…my first impression…?….was how different a ‘story’ looks, depending on perspective that it’s presented and yet it’s the same story…I had read that Sophie’s family only agreed to be a part of this if it was presented more of a tribute to her life as a large aspect and it does seem that so far, which I love because before there was a cruel and violent/brutal death, there was a life…and in circumstances like that, as Sophie died…?…it must be very difficult for loved ones to get beyond the pain of death to that life again that meant so much to them…?…such a difficult thing….with the different documentaries, we’re seeing Sophie through the eyes of many and that’s what a life is…?…so it truly is a tribute as well and I want to feel that tribute also, not just her death….she was a French lady living this incredible, glamorous life in the circles that her husband moved through…?…she was a daughter/a mother etc…but she was also an ‘adopted’ Cork citizen, someone they really did feel was a part of them and their community, part of her heart belonged to Cork…

[Cherie]

Started it last night :thumbs:

[arista]

This is not on UK news

I hate Netflix/


I have AmazonPrime.


Is this a TV Chat thread?>

[Niamh.]

This is not on UK news

I hate Netflix/


I have AmazonPrime.


Is this a TV Chat thread?>

My sincerest apologies, I will move this quick smart :douf:

[bots]

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[Niamh.]

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[Ammi]

…I finished watching last night…I liked seeing more of her friends and family in France…it’s just so incredibly sad for those who loved her as I don’t think they’re ever going to see justice and that’s what stays more than anything else, I think…an incredible sadness that still seems so much a part of Schull as well…


…Im still left feeling that Ian Bailey killed her but that there were mistakes made that then stated to make it impossible a d now justice will never happen…

[Smithy]

This came up on my recommended on Netflix so I might give it a whirl

[Cal.]

HOW is he still free?

[Niamh.]

HOW is he still free?All circumstantial evidence I suppose, so sad for her family though

[Crimson Dynamo]

i saw this on my planner is it good?

[Niamh.]

i saw this on my planner is it good?Yeah it is [emoji106]

[Cherie]

Finished this now, in terms of where I am with regard to Ian Bailey's guilt

this is alot more damning, and it gave an overview of how far he ws for the house and the fact that he thought there might be a party at Alfie Lyons house as the lights were on, so it gave it some kind of motive for heading off in that direction, the coat being soaked in a bucket as well, though Jules said the Guards had taken it, and the stuff being burned including boots would all point to his being guilty imo, that said I get he could have kept it under wraps but Jules for all these years, now she is free of him maybe she will confess, gob smacking that a great big gate that could possibly yield dna even after all these years has gone missing, the Guards were terrible tbf

[Niamh.]

Finished this now, in terms of where I am with regard to Ian Bailey's guilt

this is alot more damning, and it gave an overview of how far he ws for the house and the fact that he thought there might be a party at Alfie Lyons house as the lights were on, so it gave it some kind of motive for heading off in that direction, the coat being soaked in a bucket as well, though Jules said the Guards had taken it, and the stuff being burned including boots would all point to his being guilty imo, that said I get he could have kept it under wraps but Jules for all these years, now she is free of him maybe she will confess, gob smacking that a great big gate that could possibly yield dna even after all these years has gone missing, the Guards were terrible tbf

Yeah, agree with all of that, the Guards made a right balls of the investigation alright, I guess though, there was never a murder there before and hasn't been one since :/

I'm glad they did the mapping and distance from Sophies house/the studio/Jules House/Kealfadda bridge, it was something I had wondered about and it was never mentioned in the other Doc or the Podcast, it was all very doable for Ian to have walked back and forth from there.

The coat though? In the Jim Sheridan Doc they said that it was recorded on Police files that the Guards had his coat, so I'm a bit confused about that.

To me, the most damning part of all the Ian Bailey evidence was that first confession he made to the man who ran a Pub at the time, it was so specific with weird details about her "tight arse" really ****ing creepy

[Cherie]

Yeah, agree with all of that, the Guards made a right balls of the investigation alright, I guess though, there was never a murder there before and hasn't been one since :/

I'm glad they did the mapping and distance from Sophies house/the studio/Jules House/Kealfadda bridge, it was something I had wondered about and it was never mentioned in the other Doc or the Podcast, it was all very doable for Ian to have walked back and forth from there.

The coat though? In the Jim Sheridan Doc they said that it was recorded on Police files that the Guards had his coat, so I'm a bit confused about that.

To me, the most damning part of all the Ian Bailey evidence was that first confession he made to the man who ran a Pub at the time, it was so specific with weird details about her "tight arse" really ****ing creepy

yeah I am confused about the coat as well, and Marie Farrells testimony, like did she see him or not, and did she retract due to him intimidating her, the thing in the Spar shop was really creepy and also that she spoke about his having contacting her to her friend so I think they had met maybe previously when she was walking or something , its quite incredible he has not been attacked, wonder if he will be after all this publicity

[Niamh.]

yeah I am confused about the coat as well, and Marie Farrells testimony, like did she see him or not, and did she retract due to him intimidating her, the thing in the Spar shop was really creepy and also that she spoke about his having contacting her to her friend so I think they had met maybe previously when she was walking or something , its quite incredible he has not been attacked, wonder if he will be after all this publicity

Well Marie Farrell still claims to have seen somebody both at the bridge and watching Sophie in the town but now she's saying that it wasn't Ian, it was a smaller man. Hard to believe anything she says but I'm actually leaning towards her having seen Ian considering that not only did she say in court that Bailey was threatening her but she told people in the town apparently on a day that he did intimidate her. I reckon Ian offered her money to retract her statement (if he won his case)

I doubt this documentary will make any difference, everybody in Cork (and probably Ireland) already knew who he was and what he's accused of

[Niamh.]

Gardaí have a new lead apparently, they can't be considering believing anything Marie Farrell has to say again, can they?

GARDAI ARE revisiting the investigation file on the unsolved murder of Sophie Toscan du Plantier after a new suspect emerged.

The murder of Toscan du Plantier 24 years ago has been the subject of much debate and speculation over the past few weeks following the release of two new true crime documentaries reviewing the case.

Now, according to the Irish Independent, detectives are reviewing the case based on information provided by Marie Farrell who claims she can now identify the male suspect she saw with the victim just days before her murder.

Farrell was previously a key witness in the Gardai’s case against the prime suspect in Toscan du Plantier’s murder, Ian Bailey.

She initially identified Bailey as the man she recalled seeing outside her shop in Schull on the day Toscan du Plantier was last seen alive back in December 1996.

Farrell recalled seeing a man wearing a long black coat watching the victim that day.

She also recalled seeing the same person on a remote bridge close to the holiday home Toscan du Plantier was staying in at the time.

Though she initially claimed the man was Bailey, Farrell later withdrew her testimony.

However in a fresh twist, she has now identified the man as an alternative suspect.

Farrell pointed out the individual, she claims to have seen, while perusing photos of Toscan du Plantier with filmmaker Jim Sheridan in the Sky documentary Murder at the Cottage.

It is understood she identified the man while perusing photos of Sophie, her late husband and people known to the couple.

Detectives are now in the process of assessing the credibility of the information and will be reviewing the investigation file to see if the person Farrell has named is among the 50 suspects initially identified as potential suspects in Toscan du Plantier’s murder.

Bailey has twice been arrested by gardaí for the murder, in 1997 and 1998, but never formally charged in Ireland.

He was, however, convicted in absentia by a French court in 2019.

Bailey has always maintained his innocence and claimed in Sheridan’s documentary that a French hitman may have been hired to kill the Paris-born filmmaker at her home.

Despite this latest development, Bailey’s solicitor Frank Buttimer, told Extra that it is unlikely to lead to a major breakthrough.

He said: “One of the awful consequences of this tragic situation would become apparent in the event that a genuine suspect for the offence became identifiable, which might require cooperation from the French authorities to An Garda Síochána and where the likely outcome, in that event, would be a refusal to provide mutual assistance from the French.”

https://www.irishpost.com/news/gardai-reviewing-investigation-file-on-murder-of-sophie-toscan-du-plantier-after-new-suspect-identified-215358

[Niamh.]

Ian Bailey is about to be interviewed on Irish radio with Niall Boylan, if anyone is interested

https://www.classichits.ie/player/

[Cherie]

Ian Bailey is about to be interviewed on Irish radio with Niall Boylan, if anyone is interested

https://www.classichits.ie/player/

Listening

[Niamh.]

Listening

:thumbs:

[Cherie]

Gardaí have a new lead apparently, they can't be considering believing anything Marie Farrell has to say again, can they?

GARDAI ARE revisiting the investigation file on the unsolved murder of Sophie Toscan du Plantier after a new suspect emerged.

The murder of Toscan du Plantier 24 years ago has been the subject of much debate and speculation over the past few weeks following the release of two new true crime documentaries reviewing the case.

Now, according to the Irish Independent, detectives are reviewing the case based on information provided by Marie Farrell who claims she can now identify the male suspect she saw with the victim just days before her murder.

Farrell was previously a key witness in the Gardai’s case against the prime suspect in Toscan du Plantier’s murder, Ian Bailey.

She initially identified Bailey as the man she recalled seeing outside her shop in Schull on the day Toscan du Plantier was last seen alive back in December 1996.

Farrell recalled seeing a man wearing a long black coat watching the victim that day.

She also recalled seeing the same person on a remote bridge close to the holiday home Toscan du Plantier was staying in at the time.

Though she initially claimed the man was Bailey, Farrell later withdrew her testimony.

However in a fresh twist, she has now identified the man as an alternative suspect.

Farrell pointed out the individual, she claims to have seen, while perusing photos of Toscan du Plantier with filmmaker Jim Sheridan in the Sky documentary Murder at the Cottage.

It is understood she identified the man while perusing photos of Sophie, her late husband and people known to the couple.

Detectives are now in the process of assessing the credibility of the information and will be reviewing the investigation file to see if the person Farrell has named is among the 50 suspects initially identified as potential suspects in Toscan du Plantier’s murder.

Bailey has twice been arrested by gardaí for the murder, in 1997 and 1998, but never formally charged in Ireland.

He was, however, convicted in absentia by a French court in 2019.

Bailey has always maintained his innocence and claimed in Sheridan’s documentary that a French hitman may have been hired to kill the Paris-born filmmaker at her home.

Despite this latest development, Bailey’s solicitor Frank Buttimer, told Extra that it is unlikely to lead to a major breakthrough.

He said: “One of the awful consequences of this tragic situation would become apparent in the event that a genuine suspect for the offence became identifiable, which might require cooperation from the French authorities to An Garda Síochána and where the likely outcome, in that event, would be a refusal to provide mutual assistance from the French.”

https://www.irishpost.com/news/gardai-reviewing-investigation-file-on-murder-of-sophie-toscan-du-plantier-after-new-suspect-identified-215358

Literally if this turns out to be true, that woman should be in jail for her lies

[Niamh.]

Literally if this turns out to be true, that woman should be in jail for her lies

Yeah she's a nut case and seems like an attention seeker too. She's been massively disrespectful to Sophie and her family as well

[Cherie]

Good point about the coat, if it were steeping in a bucket how was he wearing it in the Christmas swim video

[Niamh.]

Good point about the coat, if it were steeping in a bucket how was he wearing it in the Christmas swim video

Yeah, I thought that as well, plus it said on the Police files that they'd seized the coat and presumably found no blood or DNA on it

[Cal.]

What was the deal with Marie Farrell? Do you reckon she was lying for attention initially and never knew what her lies were going to cause?

[Niamh.]

What was the deal with Marie Farrell? Do you reckon she was lying for attention initially and never knew what her lies were going to cause?

I can't figure her out at all, initially I believed that she had seen a man but not one that fit Ian Baileys description (because on the police files her description of him changes drastically from a smaller, sallow skinned man to Ian bailey who is very tall and fair skinned) and I was thinking maybe the Police had intimidated her into saying it was Ian and saying Ian was threatening her but then in the Netflix Documentary there were witnesses who'd said they had seen Marie Farrell run from her shop telling them Ian baileys was threatening her so that would have been an elaborate ruse so then i was thinking OK maybe she was telling the truth originally and it was ian bailey but she'd changed her statement because maybe Ian bailey promised her money if he won his law suit? But now apparently she's got new information on who the man is? I don't know I think maybe she saw nobody at all and is just a massive attention seeker

[Niamh.]

Also, she claims she was travelling in a car with a man that night but has never told anyone who he was which is bizarre considering the gravity of the case and he could have confirmed who the killer was (or potential killer)

[Ammi]

…Marie Farrell did return to the witness stand and ‘named’ the man that she was with that night…but she’d had some time away from the court, she’d walked out…and when she then gave the name of John Reilly, she said that he was dead…so he’d gone to his grave and said nothing…?…and he couldn’t be questioned obviously then…

[Ammi]

What was the deal with Marie Farrell? Do you reckon she was lying for attention initially and never knew what her lies were going to cause?

..have you watched it all, Cal…plus Murder at the Cottage, the other 5 part one…?…

[Niamh.]

…Marie Farrell did return to the witness stand and ‘named’ the man that she was with that night…but she’d had some time away from the court, she’d walked out…and when she then gave the name of John Reilly, she said that he was dead…so he’d gone to his grave and said nothing…?…and he couldn’t be questioned obviously then…

I thought they said they'd confirmed she lying about who he was?

[Ammi]

…I don’t know, I just don’t think she has any credibility anymore …but she’s a strange one because she seems to have opted for a quiet life for several years now and away from any of it…and yet her actions would also have suggested ‘attention’….

[Niamh.]

…I don’t know, I just don’t think she has any credibility anymore …but she’s a strange one because she seems to have opted for a quiet life for several years now and away from any of it…and yet her actions would also have suggested ‘attention’….

Been trying to find out and I got this :

Marie Farrell, a witness in the Ian Bailey case, has at different times named three individuals as the man she was with early on the morning of Sophie Toscan du Plantier's murder, the high Court heard today. ... Last week, she said the man with her in the car in 1996 was deceased Longford factory worker John Reilly.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30654781.html#:~:text=Marie%20Farrell%2C%20a%20wit ness%20in,the%20high%20Court%20heard%20today.&text=Last%20week%2C%20she%20said%20the,Longford%20 factory%20worker%20John%20Reilly.

[Niamh.]

Also convenient that the guy she named was dead as well

[Ammi]

…and that she named him as being that deceased person after she had walked out of court and had spoken to her mother…she said that her mother told her that he was dead….strange that someone so significant in her life as to have been the person she was with that night when she felt that she’d seen a murderer and she hadn’t known he had died…
.

[Niamh.]

yeah very, she seems to me like a compulsive liar. You couldn't believe anything that comes out of her mouth

[Ammi]

…it’s also strange that he never came forward in the years before he died, with such a high profile case…so I can’t get the feeling that he actually existed…and if the person she was meant to be with didn’t exist then was any of it true…

[Niamh.]

…it’s also strange that he never came forward in the years before he died, with such a high profile case…so I can’t get the feeling that he actually existed…and if the person she was meant to be with didn’t exist then was any of it true…

Yeah, that's actually where I'm at with it too tbh I mean maybe he's married and didn't want to get himself caught out but at the same time if Marie Farrell never even spoke to him again after that night why wouldn't she have given his real name to help herself and take the pressure off IDing this man she supposedly saw?

[Ammi]

…Marie had originally named a local musician, Oliver Croghan as the man that she was with….he was also deceased ….she named 3 different men but I can’t find who the third one was…

…I hadn’t realised that the gate that went missing was from the police evidence storage, I thought that it was from the scene…but 5 case files went missing as well…(apparently…)…

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/lost-five-files-139-statements-and-one-gate-37185350.html

[Cherie]

…Marie had originally named a local musician, Oliver Croghan as the man that she was with….he was also deceased ….she named 3 different men but I can’t find who the third one was…

…I hadn’t realised that the gate that went missing was from the police evidence storage, I thought that it was from the scene…but 5 case files went missing as well…(apparently…)…

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/lost-five-files-139-statements-and-one-gate-37185350.html

Imagine what DNA they could find on that gate now


It’s a wonder Marie Farrell herself and whoever was with her were never investigated given they were in the vicinity at the time

[Niamh.]

…Marie had originally named a local musician, Oliver Croghan as the man that she was with….he was also deceased ….she named 3 different men but I can’t find who the third one was…

…I hadn’t realised that the gate that went missing was from the police evidence storage, I thought that it was from the scene…but 5 case files went missing as well…(apparently…)…

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/lost-five-files-139-statements-and-one-gate-37185350.html

One of the links I was looking through yesterday named all 3 of them, I'll try to find it again, I think the third guy might have also been called John but I'll see if I can find it.

Re the Gate, I mean just how? It's disgraceful really

Imagine what DNA they could find on that gate now


It’s a wonder Marie Farrell herself and whoever was with her were never investigated given they were in the vicinity at the time

Yeah, it would make you wonder alright. Could she have made that initial anonymous phone call to try to make out some man was in the area or something?

[Niamh.]

Found it :

Under cross examination, she claims she had previously given the name Jan Bartells to gardaí, on the instructions of a detective.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30654781.html

[Ammi]

…she apparently also said that one of the Garda detectives stripped naked and asked her for sex and she talked about Ian Bailey ‘filling barrels of sperm’ and talking incessantly about his sex life in her presence…she was very focused on sexual stuff…


…the gate going missing, if it went missing from a police evidence holding area…which is how it seems to be…then surely it would point to someone in the Garda removing it…/…very odd…but then other articles say ‘from the scene’….


…how horrific the murder was, how brutal and savage and violent…I feel that wouldn’t be a ‘one time thing/one time loss of control’ to ‘lose it’ to that extent…so I keep coming back to Ian Bailey and his violence toward Jules, giving him a ‘history’ of losing it, if you like….

[Niamh.]

…she apparently also said that one of the Garda detectives stripped naked and asked her for sex and she talked about Ian Bailey ‘filling barrels of sperm’ and talking incessantly about his sex life in her presence…she was very focused on sexual stuff…


…the gate going missing, if it went missing from a police evidence holding area…which is how it seems to be…then surely it would point to someone in the Garda removing it…/…very odd…but then other articles say ‘from the scene’….


…how horrific the murder was, how brutal and savage and violent…I feel that wouldn’t be a ‘one time thing/one time loss of control’ to ‘lose it’ to that extent…so I keep coming back to Ian Bailey and his violence toward Jules, giving him a ‘history’ of losing it, if you like….

Yeah, he's certainly capable of having done that, that's for sure. It did seem like a very frenzied opportunistic attack too. It certainly doesn't scream professional hit like the theory Ian bailey was trying to push

[Niamh.]

Well this is Bizarre..........


Ian Bailey tells of his lunch with Sinead O'Connor in West Cork

Fellow diners were stunned to see the famous singer sitting with the man who was the prime suspect in the death of Sophie Toscan du Plantier

https://i.imgur.com/ElZDMMF.jpeg

Ian Bailey says he sat down for lunch with Sinead O'Connor in West Cork to talk about poetry.

The unlikely pair were spotted sharing lunch at a restaurant in the West Cork village of Glengarriff earlier this week.

And Bailey, who was a prime suspect in the 1996 murder of French film maker Sophie Toscan Dui Plantier, told The Star newspaper that they talked about his work and the possibility of Sinead turning one of his poems into a song.

“She has become aware of my poetry and she was interested in my poetry with a view to turn one or two of them into songs — and that’s really what it was about,” Bailey said.


“Also Sinead is now a Journalist working for the Sunday Independent … Ms O’Connor approached me as a professional working journalist and expressed interest in talking to me about her new column in the Sindo.”

Bailey has had fresh notoriety since the release of two high-profile documentary series recounting the circumstances of the death of Sophie Toscan du Plantier in West Cork in 1996.

He has taken to social media, with a Facebook page, and claims to have attracted a huge online following in a very short time.

“I was a social media virgin until recently and then I put up posts and went from zero to 100 in 60 seconds.

“I put up a Twitter account, Facebook account and Instagram and I noticed I am getting quite a lot of contact from members of the female sex through my Facebook page,” he said.

“I just happened to notice that I’ve had a lot of contact through Facebook and the majority of the contact is from ladies."

“All of this is completely novel and new to me.”

In 2019 Bailey was convicted in absentia in a French court of the murder of Sophie Toscan Du Plantier.

He has always maintained his innocence and fought every attempt by the French authorities to extradite him.

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/ian-bailey-tells-lunch-sinead-21057329?fbclid=IwAR0Mras7K8gHIKNcAu3E0-KrGMMXzDiVavIN5icFfG3748p9_eRQh3q6rKU

[Cherie]

Well this is Bizarre..........


Ian Bailey tells of his lunch with Sinead O'Connor in West Cork

Fellow diners were stunned to see the famous singer sitting with the man who was the prime suspect in the death of Sophie Toscan du Plantier

https://i.imgur.com/ElZDMMF.jpeg

Ian Bailey says he sat down for lunch with Sinead O'Connor in West Cork to talk about poetry.

The unlikely pair were spotted sharing lunch at a restaurant in the West Cork village of Glengarriff earlier this week.

And Bailey, who was a prime suspect in the 1996 murder of French film maker Sophie Toscan Dui Plantier, told The Star newspaper that they talked about his work and the possibility of Sinead turning one of his poems into a song.

“She has become aware of my poetry and she was interested in my poetry with a view to turn one or two of them into songs — and that’s really what it was about,” Bailey said.


“Also Sinead is now a Journalist working for the Sunday Independent … Ms O’Connor approached me as a professional working journalist and expressed interest in talking to me about her new column in the Sindo.”

Bailey has had fresh notoriety since the release of two high-profile documentary series recounting the circumstances of the death of Sophie Toscan du Plantier in West Cork in 1996.

He has taken to social media, with a Facebook page, and claims to have attracted a huge online following in a very short time.

“I was a social media virgin until recently and then I put up posts and went from zero to 100 in 60 seconds.

“I put up a Twitter account, Facebook account and Instagram and I noticed I am getting quite a lot of contact from members of the female sex through my Facebook page,” he said.

“I just happened to notice that I’ve had a lot of contact through Facebook and the majority of the contact is from ladies."

“All of this is completely novel and new to me.”

In 2019 Bailey was convicted in absentia in a French court of the murder of Sophie Toscan Du Plantier.

He has always maintained his innocence and fought every attempt by the French authorities to extradite him.

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/ian-bailey-tells-lunch-sinead-21057329?fbclid=IwAR0Mras7K8gHIKNcAu3E0-KrGMMXzDiVavIN5icFfG3748p9_eRQh3q6rKU

all looking for a battering


“Also Sinead is now a Journalist working for the Sunday Independent … Ms O’Connor approached me as a professional working journalist and expressed interest in talking to me about her new column in the Sindo.”

basically looking for a new slant on the story I guess

[Ammi]

….hmmm, a completely different story from Sinead to explain their meeting…


“She has become aware of my poetry and she was interested in my poetry with a view to turn one or two of them into songs — and that’s really what it was about,” Bailey said.

…this claim of Ian Bailey, she’s responded to in the media and social media etc to say that it’s absolutely untrue…the reason for their meeting was because Sinead is now writing for the Sunday Independent and as a journalist, there were ‘5 questions’ that she wanted to ask him that she personally can’t recall him being asked before….she said that Ian Bailey suggested that they had their photograph taken by a friend of his, which she had no objection to…?…(…he obviously had pr set intentions to sell this as he’s rushed in with ‘a version’….


"I was told that a photo was being taken by a friend. I don't have any problem seeing that photo used in newspapers, I do have a problem with him telling people I'm going to use his poems for songs,"

…she’s planning on writing her article as intended but Ian Bailey seems to have rushed to ‘sell’ his story…it really bothers me that he’s made so much money and had so much infamy from Sophies’s brutal murder, as if he’s revelled in it…one of the things with the two documentaries being made and being made so close together….back to back, really…is the different perspective between them because there was only one that Sophie’s family would agree to take part in if it was made more as a tribute to her life as well…when I thought about it, her family haven’t taken part in all of them or taken very little part in some….whereas, I read that Ian Bailey was annoyed that he hadn’t been more featured in a Murder in West Cork…(…I think it’s that one that’s mainly the family, I watched them both so close together…)…it feels like he’s really exploited her murder for self publicity, I think that was said in something…something along the lines of…what would his work/career been without this and Sophie to ‘influence’….why would an innocent man be almost insisting on being a part of any documentary…why would he feel slighted for not being part of anything when apparently he was no part of her dearth according to his claims…I would believe him more if he didn’t seem to search publicity for his ‘victim’ …for financial gain…?…for ego gain…?…for his work…?….


….anyway, Obviously Sinead has bias in her feelings toward him but she also stated that after he’d had a few drinks of alcohol in their meeting, she felt that his demeaned changed to be quite threatening and intimidating….


…some of the questions that she had particularly wanted to ask Ian Bailey…

What do you think should happen to whoever killed Sophie?

What would you say to that person [who killed Sophie] if they were here now?

Why he has never made a public appeal for the real killer to come forward



…before Sinead has got her article out, lots of stories in multiple media already from Ian Bailey giving his account first…Sinead showed ‘xenophobia toward his English-ness…’….

…she tried to get him drunk so that she could claim that he was aggressive when drunk….


…victim, victim, victim, victim, victim, victim….me, me, me, me, me, me….

…a small thing maybe, but one thing that he said toward the end of the last documentary that really made me shudder and has stayed with me…was him referring to Sophie as ‘that woman’…..



…such good luck to Sinead in her journalistic career…:love:…

[Niamh.]

Oh thanks for that Ammi, I'm glad Sinead hadn't wanted to make his poems into songs, he's a pretty terrible poet anyway

[Ammi]

…she’s ‘xenophobia toward his English-ness…’….or maybe she’s murdererphobic, I’m sure that it couldn’t be that, oh no no no….

[Niamh.]

…she’s ‘xenophobia toward his English-ness…’….or maybe she’s murdererphobic, I’m sure that it couldn’t be that, oh no no no….

Oh yeah it was his English-ness I'm sure.......... :laugh: He's a very odd man, he seems to hate Irish people but still want be a part of the culture, so weird

[Niamh.]

Legendary singer Sinead O'Connor arranges to hand over unseen Ian Bailey interview footage to gardai
The Bray native plans to hand over the unseen footage to gardai to show them his physical and emotional reactions to questions

Legendary singer Sinead O’Connor has arranged with gardai to hand over unseen footage of her interview with Ian Bailey, we can reveal.

The Nothing Compares 2 U hitmaker met with the writer, who was a key suspect in the murder of French film maker Sophie Toscan Du Plantier, last week to interview him for her Sunday newspaper column.

Sinead recorded their interview on her iPhone, with Mr Bailey’s knowledge and asked him questions about the 1996 murder of the mum of one, which he always denied having any involvement in.

The Bray native plans to hand over the unseen footage to gardai to show them his physical and emotional reactions to questions she asked him about the case.

Sinead said: “I have made arrangements with gardai to hand over the footage. They requested I did not hand that over in the public arena because it will become part of the investigation.


“I didn’t give the footage to the Sunday Independent because when I spoke to gardai, their attitude was they would like to see it before deciding for themselves whether or not they want to make it public.”

It is understood the unpublished footage shows mum-of-four Sinead interviewing Mr Bailey and asking him five questions, including what did he think should happen to whoever murdered Sophie?

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/legendary-singer-sinead-oconnor-arranges-24571045

[michael21]

Wow you really like this show don't you nim

[Ammi]

…sadly ‘emotional reactions’ won’t make any differences to the justice system, will they…but she so wanted to ask him those questions which she felt were so important and had never been asked…such a far thing from being inspired by his poetry/work in any way and wanting to translate it to song lyrics….’that woman’ ..(..as he referred to Sophie…)…is the person and woman who is feeding his income still… he rushed to make more money from her murder with his meeting with Sinead…so eager to add value to his version….

…bless Sinead’s heart, though to want to show them his reactions…:love:..his version did seem quite unbelievable and that’s because it’s all just another income for him…

[Niamh.]

Wow you really like this show don't you nim

It's not about the show itself, it's an unsolved murder that I've known about and followed since it happened in the 90's and plus it happened where I'm from

[Niamh.]

…sadly ‘emotional reactions’ won’t make any differences to the justice system, will they…but she so wanted to ask him those questions which she felt were so important and had never been asked…such a far thing from being inspired by his poetry/work in any way and wanting to translate it to song lyrics….’that woman’ ..(..as he referred to Sophie…)…is the person and woman who is feeding his income still… he rushed to make more money from her murder with his meeting with Sinead…so eager to add value to his version….

…bless Sinead’s heart, though to want to show them his reactions…:love:..his version did seem quite unbelievable and that’s because it’s all just another income for him…

Yeah I know. So weird how he tried to spin their meeting too

[Ammi]

..I wanted to read this actually, it looks like it might be an interesting article and ‘study’ of Ian Bailey’s character ….ughh, so many media’s that you have to subscribe to, though, which I won’t do….


https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-ian-bailey-deflects-us-from-the-reality-of-violent-misogyny-1.4624916?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion% 2Ffintan-o-toole-ian-bailey-deflects-us-from-the-reality-of-violent-misogyny-1.4624916

[Niamh.]

..I wanted to read this actually, it looks like it might be an interesting article and ‘study’ of Ian Bailey’s character ….ughh, so many media’s that you have to subscribe to, though, which I won’t do….


https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-ian-bailey-deflects-us-from-the-reality-of-violent-misogyny-1.4624916?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion% 2Ffintan-o-toole-ian-bailey-deflects-us-from-the-reality-of-violent-misogyny-1.4624916

I tried to find it somewhere else but I can't, damn it looks interesting as well

[michael21]

It's not about the show itself, it's an unsolved murder that I've known about and followed since it happened in the 90's and plus it happened where I'm from

Wow that cool no one ever get murder were i am :bawling::bawling::bawling:

[Niamh.]

Wow that cool no one ever get murder were i am :bawling::bawling::bawling:

That's why it was such an unusual case, no one had ever been murdered there and hasn't been since as far as I know, it's generally a very safe area

[michael21]

That's why it was such an unusual case, no one had ever been murdered there and hasn't been since as far as I know, it's generally a very safe area

You should move in with me just to he safe don't think Charlotte will mind :think:

[Niamh.]

You should move in with me just to he safe don't think Charlotte will mind :think:

:laugh:

[Niamh.]

Murder suspect Ian Bailey dies in Cork, aged 66

Ian Bailey, who was the chief suspect in the murder of French woman Sophie Toscan du Plantier, has died.

She was found murdered outside her west Cork home near Schull on the morning of 23 December 1996.

His death has been confirmed by his solicitor Frank Buttimer.

It is understood Mr Bailey, 66, collapsed this afternoon in Bantry where he lived.

Emergency services were called to assist him, but he was unresponsive.

Mr Buttimer said he was extremely saddened to hear the news of Mr Bailey's death.

He said he had known him for 27 years and had had a lot of interaction with him in a professional capacity acting for him in a number of legal proceedings.

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=376471&page=3&highlight=ian+bailey

[Ammi]

…oh wow, I wonder how Sophie’s family/her son feels about that…I’m trying to process how I would feel…I know that there is very small chance that they would ever know for sure if he took her life, but it’s been a huge focus in their own lives for so long, obviously…I feel a bit stunned so I can’t imagine their emotions right now…

[Niamh.]

…oh wow, I wonder how Sophie’s family/her son feels about that…I’m trying to process how I would feel…I know that there is very small chance that they would ever know for sure if he took her life, but it’s been a huge focus in their own lives for so long, obviously…I feel a bit stunned so I can’t imagine their emotions right now…

Her brother has spoken out and said he blames Ireland/the Irish justice system that his sister will never get justice now as Ian bailey was found guilty in France but we wouldn't extradite him. I understand his frustration and it is our fault but i would say it's our fault from the original investigation by Police, they messed it up, lost vital evidence, seemingly coerced a witness to lie about the person she saw that night near Sophies house etc. I don't however think it's our fault for not extraditing Ian Bailey (as much of a horrible person he was) I don't think there was any evidence at all to say he killed her

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/it-is-the-fault-of-ireland-sophie-toscan-du-plantier-family-react-to-ian-baileys-death-and-the-failure-to-extradite-him-to-france/a1110414799.html

[Ammi]

Her brother has spoken out and said he blames Ireland/the Irish justice system that his sister will never get justice now as Ian bailey was found guilty in France but we wouldn't extradite him. I understand his frustration and it is our fault but i would say it's our fault from the original investigation by Police, they messed it up, lost vital evidence, seemingly coerced a witness to lie about the person she saw that night near Sophies house etc. I don't however think it's our fault for not extraditing Ian Bailey (as much of a horrible person he was) I don't think there was any evidence at all to say he killed her

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/it-is-the-fault-of-ireland-sophie-toscan-du-plantier-family-react-to-ian-baileys-death-and-the-failure-to-extradite-him-to-france/a1110414799.html

…this is a huge part of why I feel a bit stunned as to how to feel because he was very abusive to his wife…she was hospitalised for the physical injuries that he inflicted on her…even if he didn’t kill Sophie, I feel very little understanding of him as a person…and interesting, although his wife stood by him over the years….she’s reported to have said that she ‘felt nothing’ with the news of his death…

[Niamh.]

…this is a huge part of why I feel a bit stunned as to how to feel because he was very abusive to his wife…she was hospitalised for the physical injuries that he inflicted on her…even if he didn’t kill Sophie, I feel very little understanding of him as a person…and interesting, although his wife stood by him over the years….she’s reported to have said that she ‘felt nothing’ with the news of his death…

She finally realised what a monster he was (whether he killed Sophie or not) after she managed to get him out of her life maybe?