Euro 2020 (2021) Final Match Italy v England Discussion Thread (July 11st at 8 PM UK)

[GiRTh]

I thought the penalties takers were odd. The two players bought on to take take them both missed. Southgate and Rashford tried to be too clever. I agree with Alf, we were far to negative after taking the lead.

[Denver]

Southgate lost the final not the players, the tactics were disgraceful from start to finish anf he isn't the man for the job

[UserSince2005]

Yeah and all the players who missed were black.

Your point, like mine, is just silly at this time

It’s wrong to think they sabotaged it because they are black.

[Ammi]

After the weekend we've had....Matthew has gone to bed so deflated :sad:.....he has pinned all his hopes on this lifting him. Feel for the team....but they have lifted the country over the last 4 weeks so should rightly be soo proud

…yeah, we lost the match I know and that’s so deflating but we can hold onto the feeling that it’s given us all…:love:…the feeling of being united again…?…

[AnnieK]

What am I supposed to do with all this celebratory booze and cocaine now?

Cane it anyway......:laugh:

[Vanessa]

When Italy was announced the winner, I opened the window and screamed ITALY; :joker:

[user104658]

Pickford was MVP it could easily have been Italy at 90 minutes.





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Italy v England

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Shots off target 9-4
Ball possession 62%-38%

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[Niamh.]

Southgate lost the final not the players, the tactics were disgraceful from start to finish anf he isn't the man for the jobBloody hell how fast people turn on Managers, he got ye all the way to the final and an inch away from the win

[AnnieK]

When Italy was announced the winner, I opened the window and screamed ITALY; :joker:

Congrats Ness :love:

[GiRTh]

It’s wrong to think they sabotaged it because they are black.:conf:
What? Do you have a comment on the game?

[bots]

I thought the penalties takers were odd. The two players bought on to take take them both missed. Southgate and Rashford tried to be too clever. I agree with Alf, we were far to negative after taking the lead.

bringing 2 young lads on 1 minute to go and expecting them to take penalties was a big error

[The Slim Reaper]

Well then...

[Ammi]

When Italy was announced the winner, I opened the window and screamed ITALY; :joker:

…:love:…scream it from the rooftops, Vanessa….

[Ammi]

Well then...

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[rusticgal]

Saka has been great…but too young for that pressure. Rashford been on for 5 minutes. I think Southgate was too slow on the substitutes tonight…
However Italy deserved it….so we’ll done Italy.
It’s been fun…to get to a final was a big step and we were all able to have belief.
It’s just hugely disappointing…:bawling:

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[Alf]

I don't think the mood is angry for getting beat, I think we're still in shock that we reached the final.

The expectations are hightened for next year at the World Cup now though.

[Vanessa]

…:love:…scream it from the rooftops, Vanessa….

Tomorrow I will w we my Italian t shirt at work :joker::dance:

[Strictly Jake]

Aw it's a shame it is deflating but England were pretty poor they had more than enough chances at that extra time. Had a feeling as soon as we went to penalities that we were out

[Alf]

https://i.imgur.com/G9QMckR.jpegWithout googling, do you know which club Pickford plays for?

[GiRTh]

bringing 2 young lads on 1 minute to go and expecting them to take penalties was a big errorExactly. I dont blame either of them.

Southgate has done extremely well and will probably be honoured after being only the 2nd manager to get England to final.

Problem is. he's got a great squad that should reach more finals but I'm not sure his tactics are 'winning' tactics

[Calderyon]

Why wasn't Sterling one of the kickers in PK?

Or Shaw?

[Vanessa]

Why wasn't Sterling one of the kickers?

I was wondering this. He would have scored.

[Niamh.]

Without googling, do you know which club Pickford plays for?Everton booooo

[GiRTh]

Why wasn't Sterling one of the kickers?Good question. Shaw too

The moment I saw Rashford take a penalty knowing how unreliable he is . I knew its not gonna happen

Don't blame him though, he'd been on for a minute.

[Alf]

Chellini was their centre back and he was playing in our half for most of the second half. We went far too deep and invited the danger. We should have brought a Grealish or Foden on earlier to give their team something to think about, their defence had it too easy.

[Mystic Mock]

I think that both teams played well in their own way tonight.

Congratulations to Italy, you must be chuffed Vanessa.:)

And with England it was nice to see us actually trying to do well for a change, Southgate has achieved something that I never thought was possible.

[Denver]

Bloody hell how fast people turn on Managers, he got ye all the way to the final and an inch away from the win

I've always been vocal about belive Southgate isn't the one and the is why he goes missing in the big games and has lost every tournament game against very strong opposition you don't win anything by just beating the weak teams you have to turn up against the heavyweights

[LaLaLand]

As a Welshman, we just don’t support England in football.

However saying that, that was a great game and my heart goes out to Southgate and the team - to come so close yet so far must be torture. Gareth is a fantastic manager. Well done!

[Alf]

Everton boooooI expect some rich vultures will be taking him off us soon.

[GiRTh]

Chellini was their centre back and he was playing in our half for most of the second half. We went far too deep and invited the danger. We should have brought a Grealish of Foden on earlier to give their team something to think about, their defence had it too easy.Strange the way Southgate uses him. He carries the ball , he gets up field, he wins fouls. The moment I saw us getting behind the ball at the start the 2nd half. We needed Grealish to keep the ball and not let Italy dominate possession. I hated those tactics, but the team did well and will be back

[Denver]

The players who allowed Saka to take the 5th penalty are also a disgrace a Young Boy who never taken a penalty was used as a scape goat incase we lost, the more experienced players should have stepped up ahead of him

[Vanessa]

The players who allowed Saka to take the 5th penalty are also a disgrace a Young Boy who needed taken a penalty was used as a scape goat incase we lost, the more experienced players should have stepped up ahead of him

Sterling should have talent it.

[Calderyon]

Imo if you have scored even a single goal in the tournament and you are fit, you should be a default choice for penalty kick comps.

[Amy Jade]

This is what I'll remember from the match

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[Mystic Mock]

I've always been vocal about belive Southgate isn't the one and the is why he goes missing in the big games and has lost every tournament game against very strong opposition you don't win anything by just beating the weak teams you have to turn up against the heavyweights

Denmark, Germany, and Croatia aren't "weak" teams.

[Alf]

The players who allowed Saka to take the 5th penalty are also a disgrace a Young Boy who needed taken a penalty was used as a scape goat incase we lost, the more experienced players should have stepped up ahead of himA good experience for Saka, if his attitude is right, then he'll be fine.

If he's ever in that situation again, he'll know how bad it feels to miss and be determined to put it right.

[Denver]

This is what I'll remember from the match

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Nothing new, I knew it would go without serious punishment as the Italians love to cheat and foul and get away with stuff

[Zizu]

Far too negative when we took the lead, the best team won.

Kane and Rice were superb, Walker was as good as ever.


Yep

All that talent on the bench..

Southgate is not good enough to make the most of the squad’s ability

I hope he resigns in the coming days ..
He’s gonna get slaughtered in the media , I think


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[Zizu]

Best team won ...


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[UserSince2005]

Nothing new, I knew it would go without serious punishment as the Italians love to cheat and foul and get away with stuff

The Italian mentality is that rules are there to be broken. It’s they same with everything in Italian life

[Denver]

Denmark, Germany, and Croatia aren't "weak" teams.

Denmark and Croatia are levels below the England squad and Germy are a team in major transition who have been on a down fall for a while


England had the easiest run to the final Italy were the strongest team and we failed, the fact the world so called best striker can't get past 2 men put on day release from a care home is a joke

[Mystic Mock]

Yep

All that talent on the bench..

Southgate is not good enough to make the most of the squad’s ability

I hope he resigns in the coming days ..
He’s gonna get slaughtered in the media , I think


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If it weren't for Southgate we would still be losing to teams like Iceland.

[Smithy]

Guess footballs going to Rome

[Alf]

Still, it was a bit of excitement to pass the time. Back to the real World now

[Alf]

Guess footballs going to RomeWill somebody hurry up and find this persons coat.

[Calderyon]

Gareth Southgate has managed England to their first final in 55 years (54) in a major competition, so i think he should be fine?

[Denver]

If it weren't for Southgate we would still be losing to teams like Iceland.

There are so many better more qualified managers our there who would use the talents of the players well yet they only want yes men I charge

[Amy Jade]

Nothing new, I knew it would go without serious punishment as the Italians love to cheat and foul and get away with stuff

I don't watch tbf so know nothing but I was shocked how dirty their players were. They were fouling, getting yellow carded and then subbed so a new one could come on and start fouling.

He literally choked Saka here where was the red card?

[Mitchell]

If only rashford has spent less time talking about school dinner and more time learning to kick a ball in a straight line. What a pathetic man.

How dare he care about starving children when he could be practising kicking a ball around to make bald middle aged thugs happy

[Mystic Mock]

Denmark and Croatia are levels below the England squad and Germy are a team in major transition who have been on a down fall for a while


England had the easiest run to the final Italy were the strongest team and we failed, the fact the world so called best striker can't get past 2 men put on day release from a care home is a joke

Croatia are still the World Cup Runner-up (beating us if I remember correctly) so they're not exactly "levels" below us.

And Denmark are in the top 10 in the FIFA rankings aren't they?

Germany you have a point tbf.

And Kane scored in the penalty shootout, plus if Southgate had've done such a bad tactical job against Italy then it wouldn't have gone to penalties imo.

The only mistake I think that Southgate made was his choices on who he had take the penalties (even Maguire was a gamble) but to me anyone expecting England to play like Real Madrid against Italy were getting too carried away imo.

[Denver]

If it weren't for Southgate we would still be losing to teams like Iceland.

Croatia are still the World Cup Runner-up (beating us if I remember correctly) so they're not exactly "levels" below us.

And Denmark are in the top 10 in the FIFA rankings aren't they?

Germany you have a point tbf.

And Kane scored in the penalty shootout, plus if Southgate had've done such a bad tactical job against Italy then it wouldn't have gone to penalties imo.

The only mistake I think that Southgate made was his choices on who he had take the penalties (even Maguire was a gamble) but to me anyone expecting England to play like Real Madrid against Italy were getting too carried away imo.

The game was full of mistakes, we didn't have a shot inside the box so we should have brought another forward on, we lacked creativity so why wait till very very late to bring on Grealish when he should have been on arounf the 60 mins Mark

[Alf]

How dare he care about starving children when he could be practising kicking a ball around to make bald middle aged thugs happyThe very, very, very large majority of humans care about not starving children, Rashford isn't unique just because he's presented with a platform to inform us all how much he cares.

[Alf]

How dare he care about starving children when he could be practising kicking a ball around to make bald middle aged thugs happyPlumber messes up his job.

Well, I care about starving children, so that exempts me from criticism of my job.

[GoldHeart]

Argh what ashame,but I could see this coming once it went to painful penalities .

[MTVN]

Well I feel that same combination of pride and emptiness that I felt in 2018

Tonight's not the time for navel gazing or asking where we went wrong, in the end it came down to a coin flip. Feel so much love for this team and their humbleness, their effort and their collective ambition

Hell of a ride this summer has been, every match has been a great time and I've loved talking about it all with you guys on here - the football section has been carrying this forum the last 4 weeks :flutter:

Can't begrudge Italy at all as they've been brilliant all tournament, congrats Ness

[Mystic Mock]

The game was full of mistakes, we didn't have a shot inside the box so we should have brought another forward on, we lacked creativity so why wait till very very late to bring on Grealish when he should have been on arounf the 60 mins Mark

Maybe he was scared that England would lose in normal time if Grealish was brought on earlier?

Also Italy weren't gonna just let us start attacking in their half, maybe they were better as a team than us? Italy's not the kinda team where Southgate/England can just click their fingers and start dominating Italy, whether Grealish was on or not.

Btw Grealish didn't do anything when he came on anyway, it feels like the Media's spreading this Myth that Grealish was gonna be our lord and saviour, but what did he honestly do this tournament?

[Cherie]

Congratulations Ness :love:

The tension :omgno:

[MTVN]

Been reminding everyone tonight that this is just the Euros - it's not the World Cup which is truly the greatest tournament on earth

Already can't wait for next winter

[Alf]

Well I feel that same combination of pride and emptiness that I felt in 2018

Tonight's not the time for navel gazing or asking where we went wrong, in the end it came down to a coin flip. Feel so much love for this team and their humbleness, their effort and their collective ambition

Hell of a ride this summer has been, every match has been a great time and I've loved talking about it all with you guys on here - the football section has been carrying this forum the last 4 weeks :flutter:

Can't begrudge Italy at all as they've been brilliant all tournament, congrats NessHow proud of Rice were you tonight? He was immense, ran himself into the ground.

[Cherie]

Maybe he was scared that England would lose in normal time if Grealish was brought on earlier?

Also Italy weren't gonna just let us start attacking in their half, maybe they were better as a team than us? Italy's not the kinda team where Southgate/England can just click their fingers and start dominating Italy, whether Grealish was on or not.

Btw Grealish didn't do anything when he came on anyway, it feels like the Media's spreading this Myth that Grealish was gonna be our lord and saviour, but what did he honestly do this tournament?

Yep I really don’t get the whole Grealish can save this narrative...where was he for the pens :idc:

[Cherie]

How proud of Rice were you tonight? He was immense, ran himself into the ground.

The Irishman did us proud :love:

[Alf]

The Irishman did us proud :love:We learnt all those tricks from you.

John Aldridge the most Scouse man ever.

[MTVN]

How proud of Rice were you tonight? He was immense, ran himself into the ground.

He's put such a shift in all tournament! Rice is the first West Ham player I've seen play for England and for him to play every game and be so pivotal in a side that reached the final is massive

[Alf]

He's put such a shift in all tournament! Rice is the first West Ham player I've seen play for England and for him to play every game and be so pivotal in a side that reached the final is massiveYou just know you're gonna lose him to a big club, don't ya?

[MTVN]

Actually I think Rob Green also played for England while he was West Ham but mainly remembered for his howler in the World Cup now sadly

[Alf]

Actually I think Rob Green also played for England while he was West Ham but mainly remembered for his howler in the World Cup now sadlyWe don't talk about those days around here.

[MTVN]

You just know you're gonna lose him to a big club, don't ya?

No chance, he's West Ham through and through

[arista]

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[Alf]

No chance, he's West Ham through and throughA few pieces of paper with the image of Her Majesty on it, always wins in the end.

[Denver]

Can we all agree Harry Kane is so overrated? Just as he does for club he fails to turn up against the big boys if I was City thinking of paying £150m id be worried about that

[Cherie]

No chance, he's West Ham through and through

He is going to Chelsea to pair up with Mount

[Mystic Mock]

Yep I really don’t get the whole Grealish can save this narrative...where was he for the pens :idc:

I agree.

I know that some people will think that I'm being biased because I'm a Blues fan, but I honestly think that he didn't do much all tournament.

I get Villa fans hyping him up, but I'm genuinely curious what other clubs fans are seeing in him.

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[Alf]

Can we all agree Harry Kane is so overrated? Just as he does for club he fails to turn up against the big boys if I was City thinking of paying £150m id be worried about that
First half, Harry Kane was the best player on the pitch. Winning everything he was. Headers, free-kicks, blocks. Put a great shift in.

He has to be compared in the same bracket as all the great English forwards.

In my time there's been five World class forwards

Lineker, Shearer, Owen, Rooney and Kane would be the fifth.

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[Alf]

He is going to Chelsea to pair up with MountYou are a shrewd cookie on the football Cherie, or are you just observent?

[Zizu]

If it weren't for Southgate we would still be losing to teams like Iceland.


Instead of drawing with Scotland..


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[Zizu]

There are so many better more qualified managers our there who would use the talents of the players well yet they only want yes men I charge


Exactly

Brendon Rogers for one


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[MTVN]

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Why do they always go for such stupid headlines

A lot of us are hurting ffs

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[Alf]

I agree.

I know that some people will think that I'm being biased because I'm a Blues fan, but I honestly think that he didn't do much all tournament.

I get Villa fans hyping him up, but I'm genuinely curious what other clubs fans are seeing in him.Having Grealish on the bench is the equivalent to Bobby Robson having Gazza on the bench in Italia 90, it's unthinkable.

I'm not saying Grealish is as good as Gazza, but he is considered by most our most talented player.

[arista]

Why do they always go for such stupid headlines

A lot of us are hurting ffs



Yes
thats how they sell a few

[Zizu]

Maybe he was scared that England would lose in normal time if Grealish was brought on earlier?

Also Italy weren't gonna just let us start attacking in their half, maybe they were better as a team than us? Italy's not the kinda team where Southgate/England can just click their fingers and start dominating Italy, whether Grealish was on or not.

Btw Grealish didn't do anything when he came on anyway, it feels like the Media's spreading this Myth that Grealish was gonna be our lord and saviour, but what did he honestly do this tournament?


We weren’t able to get the ball to Grealish for his first ten minutes as the midfield lacks creativity.. he did go through a short period of success but then he was stamped on which sadly slowed him down


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[Mystic Mock]

Instead of drawing with Scotland..


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Imo that's an off game under Southgate.

Because let's face it the rest of the Tournament weren't exactly like that for us, especially compared to the last Euros where we were bad in nearly every match.

[Alf]

I've waited my all life for a night like this and I'm not gonna waste it just because we lost. I'm drinking until breakfast time.

[Zizu]

Been reminding everyone tonight that this is just the Euros - it's not the World Cup which is truly the greatest tournament on earth

Already can't wait for next winter


Jesus ... can you imagine a Southgate mis-managed team playing Brazil or Argentina !!!


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[MTVN]

I've waited my all life for a night like this and I'm not gonna waste it just because we lost. I'm drinking until breakfast time.

:clap1:

[Zizu]

Yep I really don’t get the whole Grealish can save this narrative...where was he for the pens :idc:


Well for one thing he was limping slightly at the end plus he hasn’t taken a penalty for two years and he missed that one soooooooll


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[MTVN]

Jesus ... can you imagine a Southgate mis-managed team playing Brazil or Argentina !!!


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Pfft like we have anything to fear

Can't wait to batter them both

[Zizu]

I agree.

I know that some people will think that I'm being biased because I'm a Blues fan, but I honestly think that he didn't do much all tournament.

I get Villa fans hyping him up, but I'm genuinely curious what other clubs fans are seeing in him.


He started one game and lasted about 60 minutes then came on for 20 minutes in three games .. now considering it takes ten minutes to get used to the pace of the game ...20 minutes isn’t long enough


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[Zizu]

Having Grealish on the bench is the equivalent to Bobby Robson having Gazza on the bench in Italia 90, it's unthinkable.

I'm not saying Grealish is as good as Gazza, but he is considered by most our most talented player.


Exactly.. even Jose was bemused that Grealish hasn’t started every game


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[Zizu]

Pfft like we have anything to fear

Can't wait to batter them both


We couldn’t even batter an ageing Denmark team who were without their best player and were down to ten , leg weary men


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[Mystic Mock]

Having Grealish on the bench is the equivalent to Bobby Robson having Gazza on the bench in Italia 90, it's unthinkable.

I'm not saying Grealish is as good as Gazza, but he is considered by most our most talented player.

I honestly don't see it, imo he is a decent player that the Media are trying to blow up into the English version of Messi, it's embarrassing imo.

Every time I watch Grealish I keep waiting for him to do something that makes me see him as a special player, but I honestly haven't seen it yet.

Imo Villa's only world class player they've got at the moment imo is Martinez as he is a fantastic Goalkeeper that I honestly wish we'd snapped up whilst he was struggling to become Arsenal's number one. Players like Grealish, Mings, Konsa, El Ghazi, and McGinn I see as the grade below, and controversially I just don't rate Ross Barkley at all for any Premier League team, but that's just me personally.

[Alf]

Exactly.. even Jose was bemused that Grealish hasn’t started every game


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProIt's not good for the lads confidence when the manager doesn't trust him. Let the lad play and show his ability.

[MTVN]

Think we should just be grateful that these guys have a lot of years left in them

Foden is the single biggest talent we've had in a long time and we definitely missed him tonight but I also know he'll be around for a long time to come

[Mitchell]

The very, very, very large majority of humans care about not starving children, Rashford isn't unique just because he's presented with a platform to inform us all how much he cares.

But the post I quoted literally said he should speak out less about school meals and focus more on football, I literally couldn’t care less about football, but it’s great to see someone using a platform for good and for change, and that makes Rashford a winner in my eyes.

[Alf]

Think we should just be grateful that these guys have a lot of years left in them

Foden is the single biggest talent we've had in a long time and we definitely missed him tonight but I also know he'll be around for a long time to comeI like Foden better than Grealish, my type of player is Foden, proper player, his time will come.

[Mystic Mock]

He started one game and lasted about 60 minutes then came on for 20 minutes in three games .. now considering it takes ten minutes to get used to the pace of the game ...20 minutes isn’t long enough


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I get what you're saying, but I feel that if Grealish was doing fantastic in training then Southgate would've started with him in games.

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[Alf]

I honestly don't see it, imo he is a decent player that the Media are trying to blow up into the English version of Messi, it's embarrassing imo.

Every time I watch Grealish I keep waiting for him to do something that makes me see him as a special player, but I honestly haven't seen it yet.

Imo Villa's only world class player they've got at the moment imo is Martinez as he is a fantastic Goalkeeper that I honestly wish we'd snapped up whilst he was struggling to become Arsenal's number one. Players like Grealish, Mings, Konsa, El Ghazi, and McGinn I see as the grade below, and controversially I just don't rate Ross Barkley at all for any Premier League team, but that's just me personally.I forgot I was talking to a fan of The Blues, and I respect you for that response to a Villain. That's how it should be.

[James]

Yep I really don’t get the whole Grealish can save this narrative...where was he for the pens :idc:

Reminds me a bit of the calls of 'where is Joe Cole' in the 2010 World Cup.

[Mystic Mock]

I forgot I was talking to a fan of The Blues, and I respect you for that response to a Villain. That's how it should be.

Honestly it's not because he is a Villa player, I've respected a fair few Villa players over the years, and as I've already said I think that Grealish is a decent player, but do I think that he is the next Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Kane, Mbappe, or De Bruyne? Not imo.

And aren't you an Everton fan? Isn't it a bit weird also calling yourself a Villa fan?:laugh:

I'm just messing with you on the Everton fan part as I know that's your team.

[Alf]

Reminds me a bit of the calls of 'where is Joe Cole' in the 2010 World Cup.Rubish World Cup for us that, how did you get on in that one?

[James]

Rubish World Cup for us that, how did you get on in that one?

I don't remember playing in a World Cup. :hehe:

[Zizu]

I get what you're saying, but I feel that if Grealish was doing fantastic in training then Southgate would've started with him in games.


Errr no ..

Southgate is all about minimising risk ... Grealish doesn’t contribute as much as Mount for example- to defence or our pressing game so he’ll always be behind him in pecking order


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[Mystic Mock]

Errr no ..

Southgate is all about minimising risk ... Grealish doesn’t contribute as much as Mount for example- to defence or our pressing game so he’ll always be behind him in pecking order


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God Mount is another player I don't understand the hype for, again a decent player, but the way some people talk about him you would think that he was the best player in the England squad.

[Vanessa]

The more experienced players should always take the penalties.
Not someone who's never taken it before.
Whose decision was this? It cost England the cup.

[Vanessa]

Donnarumma was fantastic. Man of the match!

[Alf]

I'm still going, it isn't breakfast yet.

[Vanessa]

God, I feel rough today. And I have to go to work :laugh:

[Shaun]

Can't quite shake the feelings of dejection and frustration. Southgate allowing that penalty roster was completely absurd. Bringing on people who've not played any of the match just to take them... and then they both take shockingly awful penalties? The blame lies squarely with him.

Rashford in particular will get a lot of criticism for the manner in which he attempted his... stuttered run-ups always look daft and his was the worst miss of the night. At least Saka was on target (and against a brilliant Donnarumma).

But all that aside... it's been a brilliant tournament (I'm sure from the neutrals' POV) and England have a bright future ahead of them. We've put many of those omens to bed: Germany, never reaching a final, horrible defence (we conceded two goals all bloody tournament :clap1:), lack of discipline (no red cards), unfortunate injuries... it's been a great England to watch, even if the team selections and substitutions are occasionally bizarre (WHY DID YOU TAKE OFF RICE, GARETH? PHILIPS WAS **** ALL TOURNAMENT!!)

Just sucks that it had to be Bonucci. Racist prick.

[bots]

the team is so young, they will take a lot of stopping in 18 months at the world cup. I firmly put the blame at Southgates feet for the tactics, particularly in the shoot out. However, i have surprisingly enjoyed watching italy play throughout the tournament and for that alone i think they deserved to squeak it

[Nicky91]

why put Saka on, UGH worthless player that one, haven't seen one good thing from him the entire tournament



England has a good team, just needs to weed out the weak a bit more ahead of World Cup next year (definitely No Saka, and i would also not select Maguire anymore, expensive player my arse, he also made couple of mistakes, especially in beginning that wrong back pass at goalkeeper)




Italy played a impressive tournament overall, and i like their title win, for Vialli especially, from cancer survivor to being part of this success euro2020 team





i have to be honest, it was a alright tournament, with some surprises here and there (biggest team surprises for me Denmark, Switzerland)

biggest letdown for me, Turkey i had hoped they would do better, i mean i know they can do loads better, but something just wasn't right over there (maybe they need to hire Hakan Sukur as assistent, and Rustu as their goalkeepers coach, to bring in extra experience for all those young players)



most unlucky team, Belgium a shame luck wasn't on their side against Italy, they definitely have a strong great squad, maybe just need to renew/refreshen their defence a bit with some new talent, and i'd say use Mertens a lot more than Eden Hazard, i find him 1000 times better, and i can know this since i've followed him since Utrecht, PSV and now also in Serie A

[Alf]

the team is so young, they will take a lot of stopping in 18 months at the world cup. I firmly put the blame at Southgates feet for the tactics, particularly in the shoot out. However, i have surprisingly enjoyed watching italy play throughout the tournament and for that alone i think they deserved to squeak itTotally different ball game at the World Cup, The climate in Qatar is one thing and then I believe the tournament is taking place during our winter around Christmas time, which is in the middle of our domestic season, so I don't know how that is gonna work out. This will be a unique World Cup, unchartered territory, so any team could win it.

[Babayaro.]

This is what I'll remember from the match

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It was dirty, yes. But that’s what you call a professional foul. Most players in that situation would do the same if they knew there was no chance of beating their opponent to the ball, and even more so in the later stages of a cup final.

It’s crap but it is what it is :shrug:

[Nicky91]

also a foul against a pathetic amateur player, i mean imagine seeing Saka as a ''huge talent''


where the **** did that talent go then :laugh2:



can't defend properly, can't hold the ball properly, can't give a good assist LOL i wouldn't want this one in my team for sure

[AnnieK]

Saka is still a kid....he didn't perform as well as he can but he has talent....he stepped up to take a penalty when other more senior players bottled it.

[Cherie]

Saka is still a kid....he didn't perform as well as he can but he has talent....he stepped up to take a penalty when other more senior players bottled it.

He was fearless :clap1:

[Cherie]

Well for one thing he was limping slightly at the end plus he hasn’t taken a penalty for two years and he missed that one soooooooll


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sooooo Maguire is a defender, how often does he take pens in a pressured situation, Kane missed last week, weak excuse..

[Niamh.]

Saka is still a kid....he didn't perform as well as he can but he has talent....he stepped up to take a penalty when other more senior players bottled it.

Yeah I agreed with Roy Keane there, the older players should have stepped up, plus he didn't actually miss his penalty, The goalie saved it :shrug:

[AnnieK]

He was fearless :clap1:

He really was. He can hold his head high as far as I am concerned. He is 19 years old, in his first major tournament and he stepped up, knowing the magnitude of that penalty and took it.

[Cherie]

Yeah I agreed with Roy Keane there, the older players should have stepped up, plus he didn't actually miss his penalty, The goalie saved it :shrug:

We were open mouth at the order apart from Kane obviously to see a defender stepping up second with all the forwards sitting back was pretty stunning

[Nicky91]

netherlands, viewer numbers for last nights final

average: 4.1 million

total: 6.0 million


#1 as most watched show of the day



the ''studio voetbal'' aftertalk of the final was watched in total by 2.0 million


and also on twitter here in my nation's most trending subjects, #euro2020final was 3rd most trending of the day, next to #peterrdevriesattack and #covid19



some facts regarding my nation for yesterday

[Cherie]

We need to give Pickford credit as well for saving 2, that was unexpected :laugh:

[Niamh.]

We need to give Pickford credit as well for saving 2, that was unexpected :laugh:

Pickford gets nothing from me, Karma for taking out Virgil for a whole season :idc:

[Vanessa]

It was dirty, yes. But that’s what you call a professional foul. Most players in that situation would do the same if they knew there was no chance of beating their opponent to the ball, and even more so in the later stages of a cup final.

It’s crap but it is what it is :shrug:

It was a yellow card, fair and square.

[AnnieK]

Pickford has had a great tournament....my son plays in net, its a lonely place to be during pens. His manager always says it not for the keeper to dave but for the taker to score. He deserved the Golden Glove if they give it out at the Euros

[AnnieK]

It was a yellow card, fair and square.

It was.....further down the field it could have been red but as it is its was yellow

[Zizu]

sooooo Maguire is a defender, how often does he take pens in a pressured situation, Kane missed last week, weak excuse..


Sterling has missed his last three so he was never gonna take one of the first five .


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[Niamh.]

Sterling has missed his last three so he was never gonna take one of the first five .


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They should have left Jordan Henderson on to take one of them

[James]

Saka had a good tournament and you can't blame him.

With Rashford and Sancho it is unfortunate because they weren't given much time on the pitch during the tournament, and then were asked to take penalties at the end by Southgate. So that is extra pressure.

You could say Southgate was trying to be too clever, but if it had worked it would have been seen as a genius move.

[bots]

it wasn't my fault :skull:

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[Niamh.]

it wasn't my fault :skull:

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Someone posted this on FB in reply to Jack :fan:

He said he wanted to play for Ireland aswel. Bit of a liar is ould Jack

I think the point Roy was making though was that the older players should have insisted

[Zizu]

Someone posted this on FB in reply to Jack :fan:

He said he wanted to play for Ireland aswel. Bit of a liar is ould Jack

I think the point Roy was making though was that the older players should have insisted


Apparently the players had no input.
Southgate supposedly chose the people taking them AND the order ...

Southgate has given a statement to the effect that the players were given no choice whatsoever

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[Calderyon]

Italy deserved the win as they were much more active in the game as the match progressed and created much more scoring opportunities and chances than their opponent all the while England became passive and ended up in a much more defensive position than was needed in this game.

[Cherie]

and even better news Slim got rid of that god awful hulking sig and replaced it with something smaller every cloud :love:

[ThomasC]

Italy deserved the win as they were much more active in the game as the match progressed and created much more scoring opportunities and chances than their opponent all the while England became passive and ended up in a much more defensive position than was needed in this game.

I'm gutted we didn't win but I have to agree.

Italy had possession nearly 80% of the time.

As much as I wanted England to win I can't make up bull**** to justify otherwise.

The better team won on the night, play wise

[Nicky91]

the 0-1 was genius i thought

clever play from Trippier, and also great of Kane to get those 3 defenders near him to fool them the ball was meant for him and not Shaw, some great captainship from The Hurricane

and great executed goal by Shaw, because sometimes you'd expect wild shots from defenders but perfect placement towards goal :clap2:


Mount also played better last night than in other matches of the tournament which is great to see

[GoldHeart]

Saka had a good tournament and you can't blame him.

With Rashford and Sancho it is unfortunate because they weren't given much time on the pitch during the tournament, and then were asked to take penalties at the end by Southgate. So that is extra pressure.

You could say Southgate was trying to be too clever, but if it had worked it would have been seen as a genius move.

True exactly

It was alot of pressure to put on Rashford & Sancho, and Saka was actually good you can see the potential . As mentioned he never missed the penality ,it was just saved. I felt so bad for these 3 as they were clearly gutted.

[Alf]

Pickford gets nothing from me, Karma for taking out Virgil for a whole season :idc:Ha Ha Ha, nice one Pickford.

Is that big fanny still out injured, he only got a kick in the shin, I'd have got up and played on.

[ThomasC]

the 0-1 was genius i thought

clever play from Trippier, and also great of Kane to get those 3 defenders near him to fool them the ball was meant for him and not Shaw, some great captainship from The Hurricane

and great executed goal by Shaw, because sometimes you'd expect wild shots from defenders but perfect placement towards goal :clap2:


Mount also played better last night than in other matches of the tournament which is great to see

Mount is HOT

[arista]

BBC London Reported
86 arrested
19 Police Officers were hurt

[Vanessa]

This is why I prefer to watch matches at home.

[Zizu]

Just a shame it took Southgate 24 hours to go public and state that he chose the penalty takers and the order of taking them

It was , of course , sadly too late to prevent Sterling , Henderson and Grealish getting slaughtered in the media for sitting back letting the youngsters take the hit .


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[ThomasC]

Just a shame it took Southgate 24 hours to go public and state that he chose the penalty takers and the order of taking them

It was , of course , sadly too late to prevent Sterling , Henderson and Grealish getting slaughtered in the media for sitting back letting the youngsters take the hit .


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It's not just the penalties though.

I'm sure people have very short minds.

They didn't play great the second half. Italy's defence was **** hot and were constantly closing them down.

Regardless of penalties.

If they had played well enough then we wouldn't have even got to penalties. Whether Gareth made the right decision or not.

[AnnieK]

It's not just the penalties though.

I'm sure people have very short minds.

They didn't play great the second half. Italy's defence was **** hot and were constantly closing them down.

Regardless of penalties.

If they had played well enough then we wouldn't have even got to penalties. Whether Gareth made the right decision or not.

I agree, the possession in the 2nd half was woeful....we knew that Italy have a passing game and hold on to the ball better than any other team, even Spain, and we didn't capitalise enough when we had the ball.

Having said that...it was still too late to bring on 2 potential penalty takers with 1 minute to go.

[Zizu]

I agree, the possession in the 2nd half was woeful....we knew that Italy have a passing game and hold on to the ball better than any other team, even Spain, and we didn't capitalise enough when we had the ball.

Having said that...it was still too late to bring on 2 potential penalty takers with 1 minute to go.


Italy only managed 35% possession against Spain ...


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[GoldHeart]

It's not just the penalties though.

I'm sure people have very short minds.

They didn't play great the second half. Italy's defence was **** hot and were constantly closing them down.

Regardless of penalties.

If they had played well enough then we wouldn't have even got to penalties. Whether Gareth made the right decision or not.

It was definitely a struggle to try and get a second goal for sure. I knew it would drag out and end in penalities sadly.

[arista]

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[Zizu]

It was definitely a struggle to try and get a second goal for sure. I knew it would drag out and end in penalities sadly.


Our early goal probably surprised Southgate as much as everyone else .... but when Mancini reacted and changed things we/Southgate just carried on even though they were completely dominating possession .

So with Italy HAVING to suddenly change their tactics and coming to us more - just Imagine if Southgate had been proactive and taken off Trippier and replaced him with Sancho and gone for two , three or four more goals


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[Cherie]

The bad news is given the behaviour of some ticketless fans at Wembley the 2030 world cup co-bid with the Republic is probably out the window :idc:

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

thousands of infections from this euro2020 final

probably 2.295 people were contagious at the final, and at the semi finals 375

probably 3.404 cases can be traced down from the final, and 2.092 cases from the semi finals