Racist abuse of England players

[Niamh.]

Absolutely disgusting behaviour. I read one of those tweets and it was really really vile. Hope they catch a few of these assholes

Racist abuse of England players Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho & Bukayo Saka condemned by Boris Johnson and FA

https://i.imgur.com/1Yx4WiU.jpeg

The UK prime minister and the Football Association have condemned racist abuse aimed at England's Jadon Sancho, Marcus Rashford and Bukayo Saka after the Euro 2020 final defeat by Italy.

All three players missed penalties in the 3-2 shootout loss and were targeted on social media after the game.

The Metropolitan Police is investigating the abuse and said "it will not be tolerated".

Prime Minister Boris Johnson called the abuse "appalling".

"This England team deserve to be lauded as heroes, not racially abused on social media," he said.

"Those responsible for this appalling abuse should be ashamed of themselves."

England lose shootout in Euro 2020 final
England's players have taken a knee before games at the Euros to highlight the fight against racial inequality.

The FA said it was "appalled" by the "online racism" of the three players following the defeat at Wembley.

It added: "We could not be clearer that anyone behind such disgusting behaviour is not welcome in following the team.

"We will do all we can to support the players affected while urging the toughest punishments possible for anyone responsible.

"We will continue to do everything we can to stamp discrimination out of the game, but we implore government to act quickly and bring in the appropriate legislation so this abuse has real life consequences.

"Social media companies need to step up and take accountability and action to ban abusers from their platforms, gather evidence that can lead to prosecution and support making their platforms free from this type of abhorrent abuse."

Rashford highlighted racial abuse he received on social media in May after losing the Europa League final with Manchester United.

And last year Sancho was among sport stars protesting against racism following the murder of George Floyd by a police officer in Minneapolis.

Social media companies have been criticised for a perceived lack of action on racist abuse on their platforms, and in April Instagram announced a tool to enable users to automatically filter out abusive messages from those they do not follow.

Following numerous instances of online abuse, a number of clubs, players, athletes and sporting bodies took part in a four-day boycott of social media in April to encourage companies to take a stronger stance against racist and sexist abuse.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57800431

[Cherie]

It's time social media got a grip on this. Scotland Yard are involved and it is not before time

[UserSince2005]

Disgusting.

Rashford deserves abuse for his personality. little mrs woke loser "feed the children because its not the parent responsibility" moaning.
Racial abuse is not acceptable.
And its lazy.
There is so much else to pull him up on other than his skin colour.

[Niamh.]

Disgusting.

Rashford deserves abuse for his personality. little mrs woke loser "feed the children because its not the parent responsibility" moaning.
Racial abuse is not acceptable.
And its lazy.
There is so much else to pull him up on other than his skin colour.

He doesn't deserve abuse for trying to help underprivileged kids, get a grip

[Ammi]

…I read that Gareth Southgate is holding a press conference about this at 10.15am…on Sky, I think….not sure if it’s on other channels as well…

[UserSince2005]

He doesn't deserve abuse or trying to help underprivileged kids, get a grip

its not his responsibility hes a fake just trying and make himself a celeb.
and now he has egg on his face because he couldn't achieve his actually responsibility of kicking a ball in the direction of a goal

[Crimson Dynamo]

Anonymous platforms will always be plagued like this as there is no responsibility


If people thought that they would be found out and dealt with it would end immediately bar the odd drunk/drug related crazy

[Niamh.]

its not his responsibility hes a fake just trying and make himself a celeb.
and now he has egg on his face because he couldn't achieve his actually responsibility of kicking a ball in the direction of a goal

He's already a celebrity regardless of helping anyone, I would argue that it's everyone's responsibility to try and help out those who need it. Good for him :love:

[AnnieK]

He doesn't deserve abuse for trying to help underprivileged kids, get a grip

The abuse is disgusting. People are actually horrific if they try to take Marcus' achievements for under privileged children away from him after a missed ****ing penalty. Says far more about the people saying these things than anything else

[Niamh.]

The abuse is disgusting. People are actually horrific if they try to take Marcus' achievements for under privileged children away from him after a missed ****ing penalty. Says far more about the people saying these things than anything else

Absolutely.

[Cherie]

If that pen had gone in we would all be applauding him, I am not a fan myself of waiting for the goalie to move though

[AnnieK]

If that pen had gone in we would all be applauding him, I am not a fan myself of waiting for the goalie to move though

I knew he'd do that stutter run....I left the room when he stepped up as I knew it wouldn't go in. He had zero game time though....the decision to bring him on so late was not the best

[Ammi]

… ‘…Rashford said that one of the individuals who had sent him abuse was a teacher. “I’m more outraged that one of the abusers that left a mountain of monkey emojis in my DM is a maths teacher with an open profile. He teaches children!! And knows that he can freely racially abuse without consequence,”…’…

[joeysteele]

The abuse is disgusting. People are actually horrific if they try to take Marcus' achievements for under privileged children away from him after a missed ****ing penalty. Says far more about the people saying these things than anything else

Absolutely right.

This really sickens me the racist abuse.
Yet there's still those who'll say it's not an issue in the sport.

[Nicky91]

its not his responsibility hes a fake just trying and make himself a celeb.
and now he has egg on his face because he couldn't achieve his actually responsibility of kicking a ball in the direction of a goal

He's already a celebrity regardless of helping anyone, I would argue that it's everyone's responsibility to try and help out those who need it. Good for him :love:

help out, ok


but Jamie Oliver already did take on obesity, with his whole healthier foods at schools thing


tbh someone like Rashford should just understand his football career should come first at all times, and side projects during his free time

but i guess everyone can learn from their mistakes, and i hope he'll practice on pens a lot more now

[Niamh.]

… ‘…Rashford said that one of the individuals who had sent him abuse was a teacher. “I’m more outraged that one of the abusers that left a mountain of monkey emojis in my DM is a maths teacher with an open profile. He teaches children!! And knows that he can freely racially abuse without consequence,”…’…

Really? That's disgraceful, what the **** is wrong with people?

[The Slim Reaper]

In a country that demonises decency as wokeness and uses it as an attack, there will only ever be one result. Unless people start standing up to this nonsense, then we're in for a really dark couple of decades.

The PM and home secretary defended the people booing the players taking a knee, further encouraging them.

[AnnieK]

help out, ok


but Jamie Oliver already did take on obesity, with his whole healthier foods at schools thing


tbh someone like Rashford should just understand his football career should come first at all times, and side projects during his free time

but i guess everyone can learn from their mistakes, and i hope he'll practice on pens a lot more now

It had nothing to do with obesity Nicky, it was providing free meals to under privileged kids who usually get school meals during the lockdown. Some of those kids only get a decent meal at school. So yes his football is important to sports fans but his "side project" actually fed kids who otherwise may have not eaten

[Ammi]

…that’s a different abuse incident actually…that article was in May….

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/27/marcus-rashford-receives-racial-abuse-social-media-after-europa-league-loss

…so basically it’s a regular occurrence to receive racial abuse….in his words…’happening on a daily basis…’….and stands…(..or taking the knee…)…to highlight the extent of abuse isn’t necessary and is booed…?..

[Cherie]

… ‘…Rashford said that one of the individuals who had sent him abuse was a teacher. “I’m more outraged that one of the abusers that left a mountain of monkey emojis in my DM is a maths teacher with an open profile. He teaches children!! And knows that he can freely racially abuse without consequence,”…’…

That was from some time ago wasn't it?

oh I see you have edited it now soz

[The Slim Reaper]

Gary Neville nailing it.

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[Ammi]

In a country that demonises decency as wokeness and uses it as an attack, there will only ever be one result. Unless people start standing up to this nonsense, then we're in for a really dark couple of decades.

The PM and home secretary defended the people booing the players taking a knee, further encouraging them.

…it feels as though racism has to be ‘severe’ in its abuse or involving violence etc …the time to address these things is when they’re rearing their head at all because those are the seeds of beginnings that will grow and become so ugly….but sadly it isn’t always recognised as being an issue until it’s very extreme ….

[Ammi]

Gary Neville nailing it.

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….I wasn’t aware actually that Boris had said that it was ‘ok to boo the taking the knee gesture…’….that’s pretty horrendous…

[Mitchell]

Absolutely disgusting, but completely unsurprising, whilst I love living in Britain, it’s hard to love the country when there’s so many bigoted pricks like these running about.

[The Slim Reaper]

…it feels as though racism has to be ‘severe’ in its abuse or involving violence etc …the time to address these things is when they’re rearing their head at all because those are the seeds of beginnings that will grow and become so ugly….but sadly it isn’t always recognised as being an issue until it’s very extreme ….

Unfortunately, those racist grievances have been fed into and given credence to make up the base of the most powerful political party in the country with an unassailable majority. There is no way they can or will turn against the racists.

They have no interest in putting the genie back in the bottle.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:facepalm:

[The Slim Reaper]

Exhibit A

[Ammi]

…just listening to a bit of Gareth Southgate’s press conference …it was being discussed on This Morning and basically saying what you were saying, Slim…the racist language and terminology that Boris Johnson has often used himself and this is the leadership he has ‘led by example with’….and being very much a part of the issue….

[Crimson Dynamo]

if you google almost any country and add "Racist Trolls" you quicky realise this is not caused by a single government, its worldwide and is down to "anonymous platforms"

ask yourself how nasty and unpleasant this place would be if James said we could have a week with no moderation or comeback?

[bots]

there is a big difference between booing a politically driven gesture and out and out abuse of players that make an error in a football match. Lets be clear, look at the abuse that beckham got when he got sent off in a world cup match, other players missing penalties have had similar abuse. It's not just racial, it happens to anyone that messes up

[UserSince2005]

lol at people thinking anyone remembers what boris johnson said in 2014. We only know about the letter box remarks because the the "not racist" people keep banging on about it.
Get a grip.
Live your life.
You're not better than anyone else.
And yes it is your responsibility to feed the kids you shouldnt have had because you cannot afford them.
stop smoking, stop gambling, stop wasting money and just feed your ****ing kids

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/12/11/45344085-0-image-m-12_1626085314019.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779863/Its-not-stand-Gareth-Southgate-slams-unforgivable-racist-abuse.html

[Ammi]

…racism would exist anyway, even without a leader who has a history of using racist language/terminology….of course, but it should be addressed also when the government are looking at links and associations etc in their reports, which one recently said that there was no racist issues in the U.K….that the leader of the country that commissions the reports has been quoted for racism and homophobia in the past…


…it could be worse…?…is that the standards that make for a healthy or workable society or that make for equality etc….if our own children were being subjected to racist abuse at school, we would say to them…just think, if the staff wasn’t there, though…how nasty it would be, just think on that…

[The Slim Reaper]

No one has said it was caused by a single government, so straw men won't get you anywhere.

I will repeat, that the racial hatred and bigotry is being purposefully inflamed and pandered to purely for political gain, and the previous support for the racist boo boys confirms it.

No government invented racism, but plenty have used it.

[Ammi]

there is a big difference between booing a politically driven gesture and out and out abuse of players that make an error in a football match. Lets be clear, look at the abuse that beckham got when he got sent off in a world cup match, other players missing penalties have had similar abuse. It's not just racial, it happens to anyone that messes up

…hateful racial abuse is what’s being used though and it’s what the discussion is…it’s very specific to being abused for race…this isn’t about ‘messing up’ otherwise those players would have been criticised/abused for messing up but they weren’t….

[Ammi]

…crazy when we hope for such high standards in terms of sports play and yet no such high standards when it comes to country leadership….it’s sadly too often a ‘ well others are awful as well..’…type vibe…

[The Slim Reaper]

Again, as if 20 something generationally wealthy millionaire footballers are Marxists. Seriously, it's insane to use that as an excuse to side with the boo boys.

To continue making that excuse in the face of what we've witnessed just seems a little confusing.

[Jordan.]

It's so saddening that this is how it has all ended, yet it's not the least bit surprising for this country.

[The Slim Reaper]

Bloody Marx :fist:

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[UserSince2005]

Bloody Marx :fist:

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Literally the majority of people on the profiles and the names above arent even white.

I dont get it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

do we even know what country is associated with the abuse - it could all be Russian bots?

[Niamh.]

do we even know what country is associated with the abuse - it could all be Russian bots?

https://media.tenor.com/images/65e54cbf10600c36adafac51339cb01c/tenor.gif

[James]

If you look at at the screenshots in the article above (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779863/Its-not-stand-Gareth-Southgate-slams-unforgivable-racist-abuse.html) a lot of them are from Middle Eastern countries, and other parts of the world.

Some of them seem to be English though.

[Ammi]

…a lot in that article seem to be English/UK….the Tesco provider, that would be U.K. users, would it…?….also in another below the two Tesco provider ones there is a reference to ‘get out of my country and back to…..etc….’…so that would indicate U.K. as well…

[Ammi]

…Savills Estate agents have also launched an enquiry linked to some of their staff and racist comments toward the players…

[Ammi]

…where are you looking at, James…that indicates that a lot are from Middle Eastern countries…?…I’m thinking that I’m missing something in looking….

[Tom4784]

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[Mitchell]

Oh yes the natural ‘let’s try and find an excuse for some of the comments’ rather than condemning racism, no surprises there.

Regardless of where the comments are coming from, they are racist abusive comments against the England players, but you do you.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Boris and Pritti have been very vocal in their condemnation :clap1:

"Mr Johnson said: 'This England team deserve to be lauded as heroes, not racially
abused on social media.

'Those responsible for this appalling abuse should be ashamed of themselves.


Home Secretary Priti Patel also headed up figures slamming the racists.

She said: 'Players who have given so much for our country this summer have been
subject to vile racist abuse on social media.

'It has no place in our country and I back the police to hold those responsible accountable.'"

and

Tory MP Tom Tugendhat condemned tech companies for allowing the racist
abuse to be published on their platforms, saying that firms have "algorithms
that target ads to you but won’t stop the racist abuse against some
exemplary young men".

Mr Tugendhat, chairman of the foreign affairs select committee, said that
those who write the posts are "pathetic and deserve to be identified and face
the public consequences", while "those who publish it are profiting from
hate."

His comments come as the Football Association said that social media
companies "need to step up and take accountability", including taking action
to "ban abusers from their platforms".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/euro-2021/2021/07/12/fa-appalled-bakayo-saka-racially-abused-social-media-euro-2020/

[James]

…where are you looking at, James…that indicates that a lot are from Middle Eastern countries…?…I’m thinking that I’m missing something in looking….

You can look up the Instagram accounts and tell from that where they are from.

[Mitchell]

Boris and Priti are two of the very reasons that racism is so rife in this country, constantly condoning racist behaviour, so both of them can get ****ed.

[Ammi]

You can look up the Instagram accounts and tell from that where they are from.…Scotland Yard needs you…

…I’m presuming that Tesco provider would only be to the U.K. …?…I’m not sure, though…

[Tom4784]

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[James]

Oh yes the natural ‘let’s try and find an excuse for some of the comments’ rather than condemning racism, no surprises there.

Regardless of where the comments are coming from, they are racist abusive comments against the England players, but you do you.

Of course it doesn't matter where the racist abusive comments come from and needs stopping, but people are using them to make specific points about attitudes in this country.

Another thing is that the Met police can say they are investigating but they can only really take action against individuals living in this country.

It is up to the social media companies to do more, or maybe it is up to the government to force them to do more.

[James]

…Scotland Yard needs you…

…I’m presuming that Tesco provider would only be to the U.K. …?…I’m not sure, though…

What do you mean by the Tesco provider? I don't understand.

[Niamh.]

Of course it doesn't matter where the racist abusive comments come from and needs stopping, but people are using them to make specific points about attitudes in this country.

Another thing is that the Met police can say they are investigating but they can only really take action against individuals living in this country.

It is up to the social media companies to do more, or maybe it is up to the government to force them to do more.

Social media is like the wild west, such a cesspit, especially Twitter

[Ammi]

What do you mean by the Tesco provider? I don't understand.

…where it says Tesco at the top, is that not the provider like Vodafone or whatever provider…?..is Tesco not a U.K. only one…?…(…I mean I don’t know, I’m asking…)…

[James]

…where it says Tesco at the top, is that not the provider like Vodafone or whatever provider…?..is Tesco not a U.K. only one…?…(…I mean I don’t know, I’m asking…)…

Ah right, I see it now. That is just the phone that is viewing the messages, nothing to do with the people that wrote them.

[Ammi]

Of course it doesn't matter where the racist abusive comments come from and needs stopping, but people are using them to make specific points about attitudes in this country.

Another thing is that the Met police can say they are investigating but they can only really take action against individuals living in this country.

It is up to the social media companies to do more, or maybe it is up to the government to force them to do more.

…Boris Johnson is the country leader and he does have somewhat of a ‘history’ of using racist and homophobic language so of course that’s a valid connection to explore as well…he also didn’t condemn the booing of the team taking the knee, I believe…

[Ammi]

Ah right, I see it now. That is just the phone that is viewing the messages, nothing to do with the people that wrote them.

…ah ok, yeah of course…

[user104658]

…where it says Tesco at the top, is that not the provider like Vodafone or whatever provider…?..is Tesco not a U.K. only one…?…(…I mean I don’t know, I’m asking…)…


You are correct Ammi although the phone screen is obviously the phone of the person taking the screenshots/sending them to the press, not necessarily the screen of the people posting the comments.

[James]

Social media is like the wild west, such a cesspit, especially Twitter

They could force people to use their real names, with verification, instead of hiding behind anonymity, but it would probably kill off some social media sites.

[GiRTh]

Why does it matter where the accounts come from? Also, by looking up the users you only prove that some, not all, are overseas. I fail to see the point

[Niamh.]

They could force people to use their real names, with verification, instead of hiding behind anonymity, but it would probably kill off some social media sites.

I think they will have to start doing something like, people are a lot less likely to show their disgusting side if they know that everyone can see exactly who they are and clearly people can't be trusted to not behave like animals on there

[Mitchell]

They could force people to use their real names, with verification, instead of hiding behind anonymity, but it would probably kill off some social media sites.

And would put children in abusive households, closeted youth in dangerous places and a lot more in severe danger, there needs to be change, but verified identity is a really really bad and dangerous idea.

[Ammi]

Why does it matter where the accounts come from? Also, by looking up the users you only prove that some, not all, are overseas. I fail to see the point

…on a chat site, I was having a long conversation with two guys before the match….(…actually about their opinions of Boris Johnson etc…)…they’re both Malaysian …but obviously that was a multinational conversation but still partly U.K. based….I mean that’s the same for all of us, isn’t it….

[James]

Why does it matter where the accounts come from? Also, by looking up the users you only prove that some, not all, are overseas. I fail to see the point

I had a look on Twitter and there is a lot of commentary that says it proves how racist a country this is. A lot of political stuff being attached to it also.

[James]

And would put children in abusive households, closeted youth in dangerous places and a lot more in severe danger, there needs to be change, but verified identity is a really really bad and dangerous idea.

Yeah. Most people wouldn't come on here if they had to show their real names.

Another idea is that users have to verify their identity to social media sites, and that information is held privately, but they are still have another username when they post.

It won't happen though, just thinking out loud.

[Ammi]

I had a look on Twitter and there is a lot of commentary that says it proves how racist a country this is. A lot of political stuff being attached to it also.

…but there is racism in this country and we do have a leader who has a history of his racist…(…and other bigoted…)….terminology so that does deserve some focus also and discussion also and this is an appropriate ‘time and place’ as Boris took the stance to not condemn the boos of taking the knee also….

[Cherie]

I had a look on Twitter and there is a lot of commentary that says it proves how racist a country this is. A lot of political stuff being attached to it also.

it also proves how useful social media is in creating divisions and forcing a narrative, so it is a pretty good point in my view

Coming back to social media, I am on the Neighbourhood app and for instance if you mention covid you immediately get a pop up to say ...is this info correct, it will be taken down if not to prevent anti vaxxers spreading incorrect info or just false info in general, not sure why the same can't happen on Twitter et all... there are some words that should instantly create a block?

[GiRTh]

I had a look on Twitter and there is a lot of commentary that says it proves how racist a country this is. A lot of political stuff being attached to it also.And by looking up the users you havent proved those twitter comment are untrue. You've proved that some, not all, of the idiots are from overseas and nothing more.

[rusticgal]

I knew he'd do that stutter run....I left the room when he stepped up as I knew it wouldn't go in. He had zero game time though....the decision to bring him on so late was not the best


Sancho and Rashford hadnt even kicked the ball...Southgate left it too late he should have just put them on at half time of extra time...and Saka had a huge responsibility for an 18 year old.
I have to say I was gutted...but it takes a lot of courage to do what they did and Italy were clearly the better team last night.
I hope the team and these players focus on the positive comments and how appalled a majority of this country are and how proud we are that they actually took us to a final and gave us hope and excitement.

[arista]

[12:18

Rashford mural vandalised in Withington
Police were called to reports of the racially
aggravated damage of a mural on Copson Street
in Withington at around 2.50am.
Chief Superintendent Paul Savill, of GMP's City of
Manchester division, said: "This is disgraceful behaviour
and will absolutely not be tolerated.

"Greater Manchester prides itself on being
made up from a number of diverse communities
and hate crime in any form is completely
unacceptable and not welcome here in our city.]


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/12/12/45346033-9779863-A_mural_honouring_England_star_Marcus_Rashford_was _vandalised_le-a-41_1626090188448.jpg

[rusticgal]

Gary Neville nailing it.

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Gary Neville has really proved himself to be a man of wise an honest words...

[arista]

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[UserSince2005]

[12:18

Rashford mural vandalised in Withington
Police were called to reports of the racially
aggravated damage of a mural on Copson Street
in Withington at around 2.50am.
Chief Superintendent Paul Savill, of GMP's City of
Manchester division, said: "This is disgraceful behaviour
and will absolutely not be tolerated.

"Greater Manchester prides itself on being
made up from a number of diverse communities
and hate crime in any form is completely
unacceptable and not welcome here in our city.]

I have posted a thread on this that got deleted because I pointed out that it didnt fit the racist narrative.

This shouldn’t be post in here.

We don’t like the man because he’s a scummy fake, not because of his race

[Nicky91]

It had nothing to do with obesity Nicky, it was providing free meals to under privileged kids who usually get school meals during the lockdown. Some of those kids only get a decent meal at school. So yes his football is important to sports fans but his "side project" actually fed kids who otherwise may have not eaten

oh, ok i misunderstood that whole thing then

[arista]

I have posted a thread on this that got deleted because I pointed out that it didnt fit the racist narrative.

This shouldn’t be post in here.

We don’t like the man because he’s a scummy fake, not because of his race


Thats was on Live SkyNews Politics Feed

[The Slim Reaper]

Manchester police themselves have said it was racially motivated.

[Ammi]

…when the England player racism was just touched on now, on the BBC news…?…the guy being interviewed, Tony Burnett said that this would by no means have been the first time or even the second or third time they would have experienced racism in their football career…the question was directly asked, has and is our government done and doing enough to support…?…and as he said, what the association has done is to take a stance against all anti discrimination/anti racism/anti equality by taking the knee…nothing more, nothing less and not linked to anything political…and received criticism for that and trying to infer politics…

…Political is being discussed widely in news media because political was already brought into this and leading up to now by being used as a reason not to support anti racism so it’s very appropriate and valid to discuss all aspects now…because here we are….

[AnnieK]

Manchester police themselves have said it was racially motivated.

Of course it was.....

[arista]

[just now

Downing Street hits back at Gary Neville's claims
We reported earlier on Gary Neville's criticism of the prime minister.

And Downing Street has now "utterly" rejected his claim.
The prime minister's official spokesman denied
the accusation that Boris Johnson promoted
racism by describing Muslim women as
looking like "letterboxes" in a newspaper column
before he became Tory leader.

The spokesman said: "I would utterly reject that claim.
The prime minister set out this morning his response
to some of the awful comments that we've seen."

Asked about the former England footballer's
allegation Mr Johnson and other ministers suggested
it was fine to boo players taking the knee,
the spokesman said: "It's not accurate.

"The prime minister was clear that he wanted
to see everyone getting behind the team to
cheer them on. He made that clear on the 11th,
before England's first game."]


https://news.sky.com/story/england-v-italy-euro-2020-reaction-live-team-hailed-as-heroes-after-penalties-defeat-as-fa-condemns-racist-abuse-of-players-12353454

[Strictly Jake]

Just disgraceful. There were a lot of moments I was embarrassed to be English last night and today

[Nicky91]

Just disgraceful. There were a lot of moments I was embarrassed to be English last night and today

there were moments i hated the english fans too


booing the italian national anthem is just immature, and also booing the italian players whenever in possession with the ball

i do like the chants/singing of english fans


Italy played better after the 0-1 i thought, more controlled and calm strategic play, good coaching job by Mancini too, the right moments now to be actively coaching, compared to rest of tournament where he was much calmer than last night



Donnarumma as best player of tournament also very deserving, he is a fab goalkeeper (but then again must be something in the water because italy always had good goalies, like Buffon, Zoff, the former whom is still active now at age of 45)

[Cherie]

Just listened to Gareth's press conference now and he confirmed a lot of the abusive messages have come from outside the country

Name and shame these countries

[Cherie]

Just disgraceful. There were a lot of moments I was embarrassed to be English last night and today

No excuses at all, my sons were the same yesterday, you have to consider there were 60K fans at Wembley yesterday and a small percentage of that caused trouble mainly ones without tickets :umm2:

its all very well posting tweets of this and that, but you never see the other side where decent fans are just out to have a good day

[michael21]

If only footballer had money there could hire people to track theses scum down

[arista]

The Home Secretary Live in Parliament
has Labour MP's saying children can see the Instagram posts
of offensive attacks on Black Footballers.

[michael21]

The Home Secretary Live in Parliament
has Labour MP's saying children can see the Instagram posts
of offensive attacks on Black Footballers.

There just talk no action

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes Gareth said most were not from this country, so a tiny number as in every country. Just as we have a tiny number of people who want to rob you, attack you, break into your home, who want to drink drive, fly-tip the like.

BUT social media companies are the ones responsible for their platform so firmly put the focus on these BILLION dollar businesses and see what they will do as its a problem on THEIR platforms

[michael21]

Lt for pm

[thesheriff443]

There is no quick fix for racism and it will take many new generations to come before it’s eradicated
We have race hate crimes as part of the criminal justice system and steps need to be taken to fully enforce the law when it comes to racism

But as we are all are seeing with the lack of rape convictions it’s easy .

[Ammi]

…he didn’t say most ….he said a lot but specifically also said not all …and we knew that ….and it wasn’t long ago that a government report said that there was no racist issue…when they’re obviously is and that’s just in one particular area that’s being focused on atm within football…and has to be confronted and faced that there is a racism issue that couldn’t in this instance be dismissed with any report because it’s shown itself so publicly….we can either address that within or society or we can just ignore it and diminish it and dismiss it and all of those other avoiding tactics…because it’s not there in front of us facing us all ‘on a daily basis’ as has been said …

“I know a lot of that has come from abroad, that people who track those things have been able to explain that, but not all of it. It’s just not what we stand for. We have been a beacon of light in bringing people together in people being able to relate to the national team, and the national team stands for everybody and so that togetherness has to continue.

[michael21]

Ammi for pm

[Crimson Dynamo]

…he didn’t say most ….he said a lot but specifically also said not all …and we knew that ….and it wasn’t long ago that a government report said that there was no racist issue…when they’re obviously is and that’s just in one particular area that’s being focused on atm within football…and has to be confronted and faced that there is a racism issue that couldn’t in this instance be dismissed with any report because it’s shown itself so publicly….we can either address that within or society or we can just ignore it and diminish it and dismiss it and all of those other avoiding tactics…because it’s not there in front of us facing us all ‘on a daily basis’ as has been said …

“I know a lot of that has come from abroad, that people who track those things have been able to explain that, but not all of it. It’s just not what we stand for. We have been a beacon of light in bringing people together in people being able to relate to the national team, and the national team stands for everybody and so that togetherness has to continue.

".and it wasn’t long ago that a government report said that there was no racist issue"


no it did not, that is misinformation

It stated: Britain is a model for race relations and inequality between different ethnic groups may be caused by other factors.

The report concludes that while Britain is not a “post-racial society”, the success of ethnic minorities in education and the economy should be a “beacon” for other white-majority countries.

However, the Commission also makes clear that it does not believe Britain is a “a post-racial society” and that “overt and outright racism persists in the UK”, in particular online.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/974507/20210331_-_CRED_Report_-_FINAL_-_Web_Accessible.pdf

[Denver]

Nothing will ever be done about it because those with high power will still allow it to happen, Katie Price has been trying for years to get Internet trolls to suffer the consequences for their actions but nobody has do anything.

People who are found guilty should suffer a similar fate to sex offerders and banned from having Internet access

[Ammi]

".and it wasn’t long ago that a government report said that there was no racist issue"


no it did not, that is misinformation

It stated: Britain is a model for race relations and inequality between different ethnic groups may be caused by other factors.

The report concludes that while Britain is not a “post-racial society”, the success of ethnic minorities in education and the economy should be a “beacon” for other white-majority countries.

However, the Commission also makes clear that it does not believe Britain is a “a post-racial society” and that “overt and outright racism persists in the UK”, in particular online.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/974507/20210331_-_CRED_Report_-_FINAL_-_Web_Accessible.pdf



‘Yes Gareth said most were not from this country, so a tiny number as in every country.’

…please don’t be so ironic as to quote ‘misinformation’ to anyone …

…the government and society can keep on looking elsewhere and not address the ugly head of racism within us…or it can look it in the face and address it where it’s able to…

[Crimson Dynamo]

Would it at least not be a start for twitters and insta to remove 🐵🍌 emojis?

[michael21]

Nothing will ever be done about it because those with high power will still allow it to happen, Katie Price has been trying for years to get Internet trolls to suffer the consequences for their actions but nobody has do anything.

People who are found guilty should suffer a similar fate to sex offerders and banned from having Internet access

How do you inforce it

[Crimson Dynamo]

‘Yes Gareth said most were not from this country, so a tiny number as in every country.’

…please don’t be so ironic as to quote ‘misinformation’ to anyone …

…the government and society can keep on looking elsewhere and not address the ugly head of racism within us…or it can look it in the face and address it where it’s able to…

"I know a lot of that has come from abroad, that people who track those things have been able to explain that, but not all of it.

that sounds like most to me

your statement was wholly inaccurate

[AnnieK]

I don't even understand why where it came from is an issue, any racial abuse is just that abuse. Whether a lot came from overseas or not, some abuse came from England and supposed England "fans". It should not be tolerated, excused or brushed aside as "most came from elsewhere" as if that somehow makes it ok.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't even understand why where it came from is an issue, any racial abuse is just that abuse. Whether a lot came from overseas or not, some abuse came from England and supposed England "fans". It should not be tolerated, excused or brushed aside as "most came from elsewhere" as if that somehow makes it ok.

Its a crucial distinction in exposing these people with multiple accounts and finding out if enemy countries are sowing discord just as Russia has done on countless occasions but its the responsibility of the Platform who make Billions of DOllars from advertising to stop this. I have not heard today of any brand saying they will stop using Instagram until they sort this out?

[Ammi]

…well we’re not looking like a ‘model to the world’ now in terms of this racism against our football team and trying to divert glances elsewhere to avoid addressing it…the first step is to acknowledge it and stop looking around us at other countries and their contribution to what is here…because that’s what it is…it’s contributing to something that’s an issue right here that needs addressing …as has been stated, this won’t be the first time, or the second time or the third time that some football players have had racism directed at them…it’s a ‘daily basis’ thing in the football world …and that’s what needs to be looked at…the racism within our own society which exists ‘on a daily basis’ and in all of those ares that it’s become an issue like this…

[Tom4784]

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[michael21]

There a big problem that for sure but we don't have the government that need to take action maybe in 200 or 300 hundred years that will chages

[Smithy]

A good % of football supports are racist thugs, so sadly it’s no surprise

[user104658]

A good % of football supports are racist thugs, so sadly it’s no surprise

Correct, there are heavy links between football hooliganism and aggressive English nationalism. Fans of the sport "for the sport" often like to pretend that this is not the case - just as some Scottish football fans would like to pretend that the sectarian tensions between Rangers and Celtic are no longer an issue... but, sadly, both simply are still rampant.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Correct, there are heavy links between football hooliganism and aggressive English nationalism. Fans of the sport "for the sport" often like to pretend that this is not the case - just as some Scottish football fans would like to pretend that the sectarian tensions between Rangers and Celtic are no longer an issue... but, sadly, both simply are still rampant.

LOL

If you can find a single Scottish football fan who thinks sectarian tensions between Rangers and Celtic are no longer an issue then i will be amazed. :laugh:

[Cherie]

I don't even understand why where it came from is an issue, any racial abuse is just that abuse. Whether a lot came from overseas or not, some abuse came from England and supposed England "fans". It should not be tolerated, excused or brushed aside as "most came from elsewhere" as if that somehow makes it ok.

Of course it is an issue, like what is the agenda here? I note neither Sky nor the BBC are actually reporting that any of it has come from abroad, for example did black players on the Netherlands team get abusive messages when they crashed out of the Euros because if they didn't and this is aimed only at black English players then there is something else going on imo

and yes we get some English fans are rabid, but it is a very small percentage, just the same as some United fans are rabid but you wouldn't tar all with the same brush

[Crimson Dynamo]

A report found that 14 Premier League players were subjected to abusive
behaviour in the build up to, and on, the final day of the Premier League season
and evidence will be handed over to the UK Football Policing Unit and
Professional Footballers' Association

https://img.etimg.com/thumb/msid-75688198,width-650,imgsize-1007314,,resizemode-4,quality-100/twitter-will-also-continue-to-rely-on-partners-to-identify-content-that-is-likely-to-result-in-offline-harm-.jpg


The owners of 10 accounts have been identified as racially
abusing one Premier League player: three accounts created in Asia, three
accounts in Africa, two accounts in the Middle East and two accounts in the
UK.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12319018/online-hate-probe-identifies-anonymous-racist-abusers-of-premier-league-footballers

[AnnieK]

Of course it is an issue, like what is the agenda here? I note neither Sky nor the BBC are actually reporting that any of it has come from abroad, for example did black players on the Netherlands team get abusive messages when they crashed out of the Euros because if they didn't and this is aimed only at black English players then there is something else going on imo

and yes we get some English fans are rabid, but it is a very small percentage, just the same as some United fans are rabid but you wouldn't tar all with the same brush

Who's tarring them all with the same brush? I know its a very small proportion of england fans but the fact is there are still people purporting to be fans who racially abuse our players in England. The defacing of Rashfords mural wasn't done by anyone overseas, sadly it was done by some racist Mancs as much that pains me to say. There are issues in this country that still need dealing with.

[Cherie]

Who's tarring them all with the same brush? I know its a very small proportion of england fans but the fact is there are still people purporting to be fans who racially abuse our players in England. The defacing of Rashfords mural wasn't done by anyone overseas, sadly it was done by some racist Mancs as much that pains me to say. There are issues in this country that still need dealing with.

I never said otherwise but people seem to think abuse from abroad shouldn’t be discussed, why is that :shrug:

[Cherie]

A report found that 14 Premier League players were subjected to abusive
behaviour in the build up to, and on, the final day of the Premier League season
and evidence will be handed over to the UK Football Policing Unit and
Professional Footballers' Association

https://img.etimg.com/thumb/msid-75688198,width-650,imgsize-1007314,,resizemode-4,quality-100/twitter-will-also-continue-to-rely-on-partners-to-identify-content-that-is-likely-to-result-in-offline-harm-.jpg


The owners of 10 accounts have been identified as racially
abusing one Premier League player: three accounts created in Asia, three
accounts in Africa, two accounts in the Middle East and two accounts in the
UK.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12319018/online-hate-probe-identifies-anonymous-racist-abusers-of-premier-league-footballers

In one instance, an offensive account handle - which is known to Sky Sports News - remains active on Twitter.

And herein lies one of the problems

[GoldHeart]

The abuse is disgusting. People are actually horrific if they try to take Marcus' achievements for under privileged children away from him after a missed ****ing penalty. Says far more about the people saying these things than anything else

Anyone would think he's the only footballer to miss a penality in the history of football, I remember other players like Beckham etc missing a penality.

The racist abuse is disgusting but I knew people would resort to this vile behaviour just over football.
They don't deserve this treatment .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Anyone would think he's the only footballer to miss a penality in the history of football, I remember other players like Beckham etc missing a penality.

The racist abuse is disgusting but I knew people would resort to this vile behaviour just over football.
They don't deserve this treatment .

Beckham got dogs abuse for ages after that miss

[bots]

Beckham got dogs abuse for ages after that miss

yeah, its what i was trying to say earlier. It's the abuse in this case thats the fundamental problem, they are just refining that abuse to hurt the recipient even more and in last nights case, that meant it being racial.

[Amy Jade]

Its so gross. I think it's time the trolls were caught and banned from using social media and given fines.

[Marsh.]

"But... but... what about the racists abroad".

:facepalm:

[Cherie]

"But... but... what about the racists abroad".

:facepalm:

Who are targetting Black English players, any ideas why that might be?

[Cherie]

Its so gross. I think it's time the trolls were caught and banned from using social media and given fines.

Yes and fines for the social media platforms for not putting safeguards in place..

[Alf]

No doubt about it, the football team has divided the country.

[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

Nah, just the racist scum and those that will defend them by downplaying their actions. Victim blaming is for flops.Listen, the story was obvious. If we won the story was, we couldn't have done this without diversity, if we lost the story would be how you now see it, it's all the racists fault. Both the narratives were ready to go, they just needed to wait for the result.

[Tom4784]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Its so gross. I think it's time the trolls were caught and banned from using social media and given fines.

the big tech companies do that for copyright infringement

why: because there is money involved

racism?

no money

wont happen

:skull:

[Alf]

Complete nonsense, as usual.

You obviously don't know what this story is about since this is about racists racially abusing players over a football result, racists aren't being blamed for losing the game, they're being blamed for their own racist actions.

You see Alf, for people who live in reality, we are responsible for our own actions and choices. I know that doesn't make much sense to someone like you who lives in a fantasy world where you can just reject facts that upset you, but that's not how the world works.

A game was lost, a bunch of racist scum abused black players for it and that's the story. Racists aren't being scapegoated for losing a game, they are being (or should be) held accountable for their own actions. It's that simple really. The only people that would try to muddy the issue are racists trying to downplay racism.The people in the media are all getting very rich of this, of course they need a story, and if they can't find one, then they'll create one.

It's even possible that they create their own bot accounts and are the real culprits behind the racism, just to manufacture their story which makes them money.

You wanna get to the top, you gotta be corrupt.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and btw

the next World Cup is in Qatar

endorsed by the UK and Uefa

i will just leave this here:

https://www.humandignitytrust.org/country-profile/qatar/

a bit worse that 8 people leaving emojis..

:skull:

[GoldHeart]

Its so gross. I think it's time the trolls were caught and banned from using social media and given fines.

It's never going to happen, trolls and nasty people seem to always get away with these things :bored: . The system is a joke.

[Tom4784]

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[Marsh.]

The people in the media are all getting very rich of this, of course they need a story, and if they can't find one, then they'll create one.

It's even possible that they create their own bot accounts and are the real culprits behind the racism, just to manufacture their story which makes them money.

You wanna get to the top, you gotta be corrupt.

Imagine being THIS eager to defend racism.

[Brother Leon]

You wanna know why these young men take a knee before every game, there it is. It only takes them losing a game for some to turn on them and start throwing disgusting racial abuse like it’s nothing.

Saka is ****ing 19 and never took a pen in his career and yet had the courage to step up for his country. Sancho is only 21 and Rashford has done so much to help the Vulnerable in the last year and yet this is the kind of abuse they get. No doubt they will be getting cheered the next time they score for England though. It’s honestly heartbreaking and just as I was starting to fall in love with England Football team and how much these guys can represent so many that never felt included with England, you are reminded again just why so many feel like they don’t belong to support the National Team.

[bots]

english footballers have been saying taking the knee is not political and yet here we have the same footballers criticising politicians for not condemning booing of the gesture. Couldn't make it up

[Ammi]

You wanna know why these young men take a knee before every game, there it is. It only takes them losing a game for some to turn on them and start throwing disgusting racial abuse like it’s nothing.

Saka is ****ing 19 and never took a pen in his career and yet had the courage to step up for his country. Sancho is only 21 and Rashford has done so much to help the Vulnerable in the last year and yet this is the kind of abuse they get. No doubt they will be getting cheered the next time they score for England though. It’s honestly heartbreaking and just as I was starting to fall in love with England Football team and how much these guys can represent so many that never felt included with England, you are reminded again just why so many feel like they don’t belong to support the National Team.

…There really isn’t a lot more to say other than what Leon already has…it really is disappointing at best and heartbreaking at its worst and this really is the worst…it’s sad and deflating to feel more strength of feeling of ‘outrage’ over books or photographs on a wall being removed than how fellow humans are being abused…

….The criticism of Boris Johnson and him not condemning the booing is that it wasn’t political and who wouldn’t condemn and anti racist gesture in support of those who are abused on ‘a daily basis’ because of their race…he’s the country leader and should be a representative of putting the ‘great’ into Britain again….and anti racism is something to openly and vocally support with a public disapproval of booing anti discrimination gestures ….it’s a simple thing, a basic thing….

[Ammi]

…it really does all feel deflating and pointless, sadly…something to exercise that ‘outrage culture’ in a huge way in the abuse of those young guys on the football field…something real and heartbreaking and despicable that they’re experiencing…

[Ammi]

England footballer Tyrone Mings has hit out at Priti Patel in her condemnation of the racist abuse faced by his teammates, after she previously called players taking the knee “gesture politics”.

Politicians and public figures have slammed the racist hate faced by England players, in particular Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho and Bukayo Saka, on social media following their Euro 2020 final defeat.

The Home Secretary was among those to criticise the “vile” racist abuse that the players have been subjected to, writing on Twitter: “It has no place in our country and I back the police to hold those responsible accountable.”


….I won’t post the whole article, it’s in full here…

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/england-tyrone-mings-hits-priti-202221727.html




…I mean, maybe I’m being dumb or something but I just don’t understand …the whole thing and criticism about trying to make an anti discrimination and anti racism gesture as political is so wrong…it was never adopted to represent anything political or an entire movement that some seem to object to…it was a simple gesture for the players and the supporters and fans and the general outer public to all feel the same unification with anti racism….surely the country agrees on that…?…but it seems not and it doesn’t help that our politicians, essentially our leaders refused to show their support….for equality, they refused to show their support and encourage it in everyone…?…for equality and anti discrimination…?…that really is something ‘outrage worthy’ ….

[Crimson Dynamo]

You wanna know why these young men take a knee before every game, there it is. It only takes them losing a game for some to turn on them and start throwing disgusting racial abuse like it’s nothing.

Saka is ****ing 19 and never took a pen in his career and yet had the courage to step up for his country. Sancho is only 21 and Rashford has done so much to help the Vulnerable in the last year and yet this is the kind of abuse they get. No doubt they will be getting cheered the next time they score for England though. It’s honestly heartbreaking and just as I was starting to fall in love with England Football team and how much these guys can represent so many that never felt included with England, you are reminded again just why so many feel like they don’t belong to support the National Team.

do you know how many people in the UK were involved in that insta abuse?

going by previous studies it could be as many as 2

[Ammi]

…I noticed when I was watching EastEnders last night that the anti racism vid/BBC sport was shown…hopefully that’ll be something that continues as well and highlighted more actively, rather than there having to be abusive awful incidents first…

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[Cherie]

You wanna know why these young men take a knee before every game, there it is. It only takes them losing a game for some to turn on them and start throwing disgusting racial abuse like it’s nothing.

Saka is ****ing 19 and never took a pen in his career and yet had the courage to step up for his country. Sancho is only 21 and Rashford has done so much to help the Vulnerable in the last year and yet this is the kind of abuse they get. No doubt they will be getting cheered the next time they score for England though. It’s honestly heartbreaking and just as I was starting to fall in love with England Football team and how much these guys can represent so many that never felt included with England, you are reminded again just why so many feel like they don’t belong to support the National Team.

so basically you won't back a likeable bunch of men due to a small percentage of cretins? the same happens in Club football have you fallen out of love with that as well?

I didn't hear a single boo or racist chant in Wembley after the team lost? did you?

Meanwhile in Italy

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/apr/03/raheem-sterling-leads-criticism-after-bonucci-says-kean-50-50-to-blame-for-racist-abuse

[Ammi]

…I’ve just seen this and this is so lovely to see as well who has done so much for others, having that returned to him…:love:…


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[Crimson Dynamo]

…I’ve just seen this and this is so lovely to see as well who has done so much for others, having that returned to him…:love:…


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and tells you all you need to know about this tolerant and inclusive country in which we live
the most tolerant and inclusive in the world

[Cherie]

and tells you all you need to know about this tolerant and inclusive country in which we live
the most tolerant and inclusive in the world

indeed and these are the people we should be focussing on and not giving oxegen to the rest

[Amy Jade]

Sorry but we have to talk about the racists, if we just let it slide or ignore it we are just letting it happen under our noses. People need to be held accountable.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sorry but we have to talk about the racists, if we just let it slide or ignore it we are just letting it happen under our noses. People need to be held accountable.

Then instead of taking a knee the players need to boycott Instagram and try to get others too as well until they spend some of their millions in doing this?

its the social media giants who have the power and platforms

[Alf]

Sorry but we have to talk about the racists, if we just let it slide or ignore it we are just letting it happen under our noses. People need to be held accountable.Let’s talk about them then, what would you like to say about them? What's your strategy for holding them to account? Who are they, do we have their names?

[Amy Jade]

Let’s talk about them then, what would you like to say about them? What's your strategy for holding them to account? Who are they, do we have their names?

Remove their accounts. Ban them from all platforms. Publicly name and shame them. Fine them. Ban them from sporting events.

It's time we took a stand against racism and trolling.

[Nicky91]

Remove their accounts. Ban them from all platforms. Publicly name and shame them. Fine them. Ban them from sporting events.

It's time we took a stand against racism and trolling.

:clap1: :clap1:

well said Amy

[Cherie]

Remove their accounts. Ban them from all platforms. Publicly name and shame them. Fine them. Ban them from sporting events.

It's time we took a stand against racism and trolling.

I agree with all that, so maybe the first step is for us ordinary folks to stop using these platforms until action is taken?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Remove their accounts. Ban them from all platforms. Publicly name and shame them. Fine them. Ban them from sporting events.

It's time we took a stand against racism and trolling.

Do you know why the Billion dollar Tech Giants are not doing this?

[ThomasC]

Do you know why the Billion dollar Tech Giants are not doing this?

Yep and here lies one of the problems.

Racism is engrained I think and can be a result of family heritage.

I have a friend who can be very racist, but then so were her parents.

People are taught this ****, rather than being brought up to be decent human beings. Times have changed and you have to adapt, we no longer have to sit blacks at the back of the bus or not allow them in pubs etc. Can be hard to change that if you’re from that era and been taught to hate.

It is the minority though.

Don’t get me started on black people who shout for equality, scream racism but are homophobic. Can’t have it both ways mate and your religion isn’t an excuse.... different debate that though...

But this current debate will go around and around in circles unless people are held accountable....which relies on platforms taking action.

[Ammi]

…I recall the conversations and debates about Venus and Serena and the horrendous racial abuse they would have from the crowd at times…that type of racial abuse may have become more electronic now at times and be delivered on the internet as well but it’s the actual racist attitudes that are still sadly too prevalent in our society no matter where they’re sitting and that’s what needs to be addressed and targeted…


…people bully in schools for instance…people bully in work places…people are racially abused in schools and workplaces and etc, it sadly happens and ‘avoidance’ and boycotting isn’t the answer because it doesn’t address the problem…tackling discriminatory and racist attitudes is and supporting ‘anti’ gestures when they’re practised as well…rather than opposing and trying to attach agendas that aren’t there….


…all IMO of course…

[Alf]

Yep and here lies one of the problems.

Racism is engrained I think and can be a result of family heritage.

I have a friend who can be very racist, but then so were her parents.

People are taught this ****, rather than being brought up to be decent human beings. Times have changed and you have to adapt, we no longer have to sit blacks at the back of the bus or not allow them in pubs etc. Can be hard to change that if you’re from that era and been taught to hate.

It is the minority though.

Don’t get me started on black people who shout for equality, scream racism but are homophobic. Can’t have it both ways mate and your religion isn’t an excuse.... different debate that though...

But this current debate will go around and around in circles unless people are held accountable....which relies on platforms taking action.in Britain, non Caucasian people have never had to sit at the back of the bus and they've never been banned from pubs as far as I'm aware, when was this?

[joeysteele]

…There really isn’t a lot more to say other than what Leon already has…it really is disappointing at best and heartbreaking at its worst and this really is the worst…it’s sad and deflating to feel more strength of feeling of ‘outrage’ over books or photographs on a wall being removed than how fellow humans are being abused…

….The criticism of Boris Johnson and him not condemning the booing is that it wasn’t political and who wouldn’t condemn and anti racist gesture in support of those who are abused on ‘a daily basis’ because of their race…he’s the country leader and should be a representative of putting the ‘great’ into Britain again….and anti racism is something to openly and vocally support with a public disapproval of booing anti discrimination gestures ….it’s a simple thing, a basic thing….


I really agree with all you said and what Brother Leon did too.

Nothing to add from me, you both have covered it all admirably in my view.

[The Slim Reaper]

english footballers have been saying taking the knee is not political and yet here we have the same footballers criticising politicians for not condemning booing of the gesture. Couldn't make it up

Can you explain how taking the knee is political and what it represents to you? Why footballers condemning politicians for giving the thugs a green light to continue booing them and the escalation we saw post final, is hypocritical or proves your point as you seem to infer?

[AnnieK]

The footballers have always said it is not Political. Priti Patel said it was gesture politics. That's why they feel they can question her motives for now coming out and saying, quite rightly, how awful the racist abuse is after always sweeping away their concerns of racism in the sport initially as "gesture" politics. That's how I see it anyway. :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The footballers have always said it is not Political. Priti Patel said it was gesture politics. That's why they feel they can question her motives for now coming out and saying, quite rightly, how awful the racist abuse is after always sweeping away their concerns of racism in the sport initially as "gesture" politics. That's how I see it anyway. :shrug:

YOu dont think racism is political and anti-racism is political?

[The Slim Reaper]

The footballers have always said it is not Political. Priti Patel said it was gesture politics. That's why they feel they can question her motives for now coming out and saying, quite rightly, how awful the racist abuse is after always sweeping away their concerns of racism in the sport initially as "gesture" politics. That's how I see it anyway. :shrug:


I'm sure that's how most see it, but for some reason, bots thinks this bunch of 20 something year old, multi-millionaires are supporting Marxism. Which, even if they were (they aren't), sort of ignores how it's a protest against racism.

[Tom4784]

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[Ammi]

…it’s also that Boris didn’t condemn the booing of taking of the knee…he’s a lip service guy…he talks the talk of making Britain great and slogans the three word slogan but he won’t condemn booing of an anti racism gesture…

[Cherie]

…it’s also that Boris didn’t condemn the booing of taking of the knee…he’s a lip service guy…he talks the talk of making Britain great and slogans the three word slogan but he won’t condemn booing of an anti racism gesture…

He was pretty vocal at yesterdays briefing

Crawl back under your rock or words to that effect :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

England captain Harry Kane says Premier League players should
continue to take a knee before matches in support of the Black Lives Matter
movement.

https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article22290875.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_GettyImages-1223466590.jpg
https://sdp.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/churchill2.jpg

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55151065

[Ammi]

…sadly it took an horrendous racial abuse to happen first, which everyone is appalled at…but he had an opportunity to condemn the booing and use his voice then but he didn’t….

[Crimson Dynamo]

Make no mistake – BLM is a radical neo-Marxist political movement

An FBI report released in 2017 found that attacks on police in Baton Rouge,
Louisiana, and Dallas, Texas were influenced by the Black Lives Matter
movement, with 28 pe rcent of those who used deadly force against police
officers motivated by a hatred of police. An unclassified FBI study following the
Dallas cop-killing spree of 2016 that left 5 officers shot dead reported
departments and individual officers increasingly taking the decision to stop
proactive policing amid concerns that anti-police defiance fueled in part by
movements like Black Lives Matter had become the “new norm.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/12/make-no-mistake-blm-radical-neo-marxist-political-movement/

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkZYhDpXoAADguZ.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

England's players have knelt before each of their three group stage games in solidarity
with the Black Lives Matter movement against racial injustice.

https://www.dw.com/en/euro-2020-germany-join-england-in-kneeling-protest/a-58084605

Deutsche Welle (DW) is Germany’s international broadcaster and one of the most successful and relevant international media outlets.

looks like this political message just is not getting through?

[Marsh.]

You're sweating from your frantic googling in support of racism.

[The Slim Reaper]

Racism isn't a political issue, it's a humanity issue. The only reason it became political was because countries, continents, kings and queens and then parties lived their lives in defence and support of the notion that people are inferior because they look different.

Anti-racists don't even exist without racists.

[The Slim Reaper]

England's players have knelt before each of their three group stage games in solidarity
with the Black Lives Matter movement against racial injustice.

https://www.dw.com/en/euro-2020-germany-join-england-in-kneeling-protest/a-58084605

Deutsche Welle (DW) is Germany’s international broadcaster and one of the most successful and relevant international media outlets.

looks like this political message just is not getting through?

Have you even read that article? It talks about how the German players and coach also support the cause. I have no idea what you even posted this trying to prove.

[The Slim Reaper]

Make no mistake – BLM is a radical neo-Marxist political movement

An FBI report released in 2017 found that attacks on police in Baton Rouge,
Louisiana, and Dallas, Texas were influenced by the Black Lives Matter
movement, with 28 pe rcent of those who used deadly force against police
officers motivated by a hatred of police. An unclassified FBI study following the
Dallas cop-killing spree of 2016 that left 5 officers shot dead reported
departments and individual officers increasingly taking the decision to stop
proactive policing amid concerns that anti-police defiance fueled in part by
movements like Black Lives Matter had become the “new norm.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/12/make-no-mistake-blm-radical-neo-marxist-political-movement/

The article is behind a pay wall, and nothing in the preview said anything about neo-marxism. That's the problem with google searching for BLM marxism I guess :shrug:

[Ammi]

Racism isn't a political issue, it's a humanity issue. The only reason it became political was because countries, continents, kings and queens and then parties lived their lives in defence and support of notion that people were inferior because they looked different.

Anti-racists don't even exist without racists.

…its totally a human issue and it’s so easy to use and excuse the umbrella of ‘political’ so that action can become inaction because ‘this isn’t the time and place for political’….

[The Slim Reaper]

…its totally a human issue and it’s so easy to use and excuse the umbrella of ‘political’ so that action can become inaction because ‘this isn’t the time and place for political’….

The argument doesn't even make much sense. If the tories started pushing policies of wealth taxation to invest in communities, I would support that issue even though I can't stand tories (separate from conservatives), so it's even worse than inaction, because it's purely a defense. There is potential lack of agency when it comes to inaction, but when it becomes a way too defend racists and their racism, then it is a defence, which, ironically, is indefensible.

[Brother Leon]

so basically you won't back a likeable bunch of men due to a small percentage of cretins? the same happens in Club football have you fallen out of love with that as well?

I didn't hear a single boo or racist chant in Wembley after the team lost? did you?

Meanwhile in Italy

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/apr/03/raheem-sterling-leads-criticism-after-bonucci-says-kean-50-50-to-blame-for-racist-abuse

Where did I say I won’t back this team? I’ve literally said the complete opposite and how I’ve never backed an England side like this one, but it’s easy to see why some feel they don’t belong to the fanbase.

I was lucky to be at the Semi and Final at Wembley. Im not going to go into deep details , but consoling your little cousin who’s in tears and then hearing “****ing blacks let us down” etc from fully grown men and seeing all the random violence towards random black people was heart breaking to say the least. My post hasn’t come from nowhere.

[GoldHeart]

You wanna know why these young men take a knee before every game, there it is. It only takes them losing a game for some to turn on them and start throwing disgusting racial abuse like it’s nothing.

Saka is ****ing 19 and never took a pen in his career and yet had the courage to step up for his country. Sancho is only 21 and Rashford has done so much to help the Vulnerable in the last year and yet this is the kind of abuse they get. No doubt they will be getting cheered the next time they score for England though. It’s honestly heartbreaking and just as I was starting to fall in love with England Football team and how much these guys can represent so many that never felt included with England, you are reminded again just why so many feel like they don’t belong to support the National Team.

Saka played really well even after being grabbed by the neck of his shirt and thrown on the ground (the player who fouled him should have been given a red card). And he never missed the penalty the goalie just saved it.

racist idiots will always be racist idiots sadly .

Rashford, Sancho & Saka should be proud of themselves , yes it's disappointing they lost but England still got to the final which is an achievement in itself.

[Nicky91]

Make no mistake – BLM is a radical neo-Marxist political movement

An FBI report released in 2017 found that attacks on police in Baton Rouge,
Louisiana, and Dallas, Texas were influenced by the Black Lives Matter
movement, with 28 pe rcent of those who used deadly force against police
officers motivated by a hatred of police. An unclassified FBI study following the
Dallas cop-killing spree of 2016 that left 5 officers shot dead reported
departments and individual officers increasingly taking the decision to stop
proactive policing amid concerns that anti-police defiance fueled in part by
movements like Black Lives Matter had become the “new norm.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/12/make-no-mistake-blm-radical-neo-marxist-political-movement/

as if i am gonna read this nonsense from that far right tabloid



BLM is not political

[Cherie]

Instagram say sending a monkey emoji to black players is quite acceptable :skull:

https://wtxnews.com/news-briefing/the-i-monkey-emojis-ok-to-send-to-black-players-says-instagram/

[Nicky91]

Instagram say sending a monkey emoji to black players is quite acceptable :skull:

https://wtxnews.com/news-briefing/the-i-monkey-emojis-ok-to-send-to-black-players-says-instagram/

WHAT, HOW


which moron within Instagram HQ said that, whoever said that needs to be immediately sacked :idc:

[Ammi]

Where did I say I won’t back this team? I’ve literally said the complete opposite and how I’ve never backed an England side like this one, but it’s easy to see why some feel they don’t belong to the fanbase.

I was lucky to be at the Semi and Final at Wembley. Im not going to go into deep details , but consoling your little cousin who’s in tears and then hearing “****ing blacks let us down” etc from fully grown men and seeing all the random violence towards random black people was heart breaking to say the least. My post hasn’t come from nowhere.

…obviously I’m sorry that you experience these things yourself but I’m so sorry that your little cousin has also and that this was a part of his experience of watching his heroes play…these prejudices and discriminations are something that our children should not be still going through ….

[arista]

[A man has been arrested over the racist abuse
of England players on social media following
Sunday's Euro 2020 final defeat.
Greater Manchester Police said the 37-year-old
from Ashton-Upon-Mersey was arrested
on suspicion of an offence under the
Malicious Communications Act,
after he went to Cheadle Heath police station
on Wednesday morning.]


https://news.sky.com/story/fresh-arrest-made-over-social-media-racist-abuse-of-england-footballers-12355701

[Niamh.]

[A man has been arrested over the racist abuse
of England players on social media following
Sunday's Euro 2020 final defeat.
Greater Manchester Police said the 37-year-old
from Ashton-Upon-Mersey was arrested
on suspicion of an offence under the
Malicious Communications Act,
after he went to Cheadle Heath police station
on Wednesday morning.]


https://news.sky.com/story/fresh-arrest-made-over-social-media-racist-abuse-of-england-footballers-12355701

Good news

[Crimson Dynamo]

Problem was that the Insta ones only got like 4 likes but then people copied it to then post "racist England" and these posts got thousands of likes and so it multiplied

Its almost like dream marketing technique but negative wise

and of course all sanctioned by the Platform

[Crimson Dynamo]

and i am not sure what the law would say about you using genuine emojis that the platform give you

Insta have said there is nowt wrong with using the monkey emoji

[The Slim Reaper]

Problem was that the Insta ones only got like 4 likes but then people copied it to then post "racist England" and these posts got thousands of likes and so it multiplied

Its almost like dream marketing technique but negative wise

and of course all sanctioned by the Platform

Platforms aren't the problem. Iin fact, in the past when I've criticised big corporations for not paying taxes, you've referred to them as job creators.

Do you think TIBB should be accountable for the constant racism on here, or is it the job of the people proudly declaring themselves alt-right, to not be racist?

Anyone could have guessed what would happen as soon as England lost. I hate the England fans and the wankery that goes along with them. We'd never see that with the cricket or rugby teams. I'm not saying that they would never be subjected to racism, because whilst proud alt-right folks exist, so will the bile they spread, but nowhere near the levels that not only is expected with the England football team, but also defended and attempted to move the blame from the racists to twitter or insta.

And there's nothing wrong with the emojis either. just more shifting of blame. No one has asked them to remove the aubergine in case it's used in grooming. Inane and stupid reasoning.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Platforms aren't the problem. Iin fact, in the past when I've criticised big corporations for not paying taxes, you've referred to them as job creators.

Do you think TIBB should be accountable for the constant racism on here, or is it the job of the people proudly declaring themselves alt-right, to not be racist?

Anyone could have guessed what would happen as soon as England lost. I hate the England fans and the wankery that goes along with them. We'd never see that with the cricket or rugby teams. I'm not saying that they would never be subjected to racism, because whilst proud alt-right folks exist, so will the bile they spread, but nowhere near the levels that not only is expected with the England football team, but also defended and attempted to move the blame from the racists to twitter or insta.

"I hate the ENgland fans"


thats right lump every one in with a minority

how very inclusive

:rolleyes:

[Tom4784]

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[Joker.]

Disgusting and sickening behaviour. How can anyone defend these scumbags.

[Tom4784]

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[Nicky91]

Ah, choosing the one line to talk false offense to in order to ignore everything else in a post? A mediocre attempt to sidestep an argument you lack the spine to admit you can't win but then I expect nothing but mediocrity from you.

You're also doing that thing that bigots do where they expect people to be tolerant of their intolerance and act like people are being hypocritical if they aren't accepting of that bigotry. Again, more mediocrity, this time it's mediocre gaslighting.

What i was thinking as well

[The Slim Reaper]

"I hate the ENgland fans"


thats right lump every one in with a minority

how very inclusive

:rolleyes:

As inclusive as the Ingurlund fans I've seen singing that they hate scousers during the tournament.

[The Slim Reaper]

1415296644963258368

[Cherie]

Everyone should have a right to be on platforms as long as they abide by the platform rules not to be personally abused, you won't change some mindsets where attacking someone is their only way of out of their miserable lives, the platforms whoever they may be have to put safeguards in place again any abuse whether it be racist or personal to stop the abusers in their tracks

[Cherie]

In addition someone phoned into LBC this morning to say she and friends reported the posts on Insta and got messages back saying they were too busy to look at the offending posts

Users reporting posts for "hate speech or symbols" are shown a message warning that it may not be possible to review and remove the content.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/instagram-racist-posts-photos-coronavirus-lockdown-facebook-a9568341.html?amp

[The Slim Reaper]

Twitter previously tried to ban white supremacists, but unfortunately republican politicians were getting flagged for posting the same/similar content, so in order to avoid the cries of conservatives being cancelled, they were scared away from following through.

[Ammi]

Platforms aren't the problem. Iin fact, in the past when I've criticised big corporations for not paying taxes, you've referred to them as job creators.

Do you think TIBB should be accountable for the constant racism on here, or is it the job of the people proudly declaring themselves alt-right, to not be racist?

Anyone could have guessed what would happen as soon as England lost. I hate the England fans and the wankery that goes along with them. We'd never see that with the cricket or rugby teams. I'm not saying that they would never be subjected to racism, because whilst proud alt-right folks exist, so will the bile they spread, but nowhere near the levels that not only is expected with the England football team, but also defended and attempted to move the blame from the racists to twitter or insta.

And there's nothing wrong with the emojis either. just more shifting of blame. No one has asked them to remove the aubergine in case it's used in grooming. Inane and stupid reasoning.


…just looking at the bib of your post and re-posting Leon and his little cousin’s personal experiences of racist language and behaviour…

Where did I say I won’t back this team? I’ve literally said the complete opposite and how I’ve never backed an England side like this one, but it’s easy to see why some feel they don’t belong to the fanbase.

I was lucky to be at the Semi and Final at Wembley. Im not going to go into deep details , but consoling your little cousin who’s in tears and then hearing “****ing blacks let us down” etc from fully grown men and seeing all the random violence towards random black people was heart breaking to say the least. My post hasn’t come from nowhere.


…as you also said, Slim….this is not a political, it’s a human concern and it and the reality of some people’s experiences like Leon’s can only be addressed when they’re looked square in the face at what they are, when racism is recognised and labelled for what it is and not sidetracked or side stepped or diverted or etc …when racism itself is recognised as the issue and what some face on a ‘daily basis’ ….

[Cherie]

The OP is about online racism

FA said it was "appalled" by the "online racism" of the three players following the defeat at Wembley.

Nor sure why the platforms are getting a pass 5 pages in

The accounts are still active 3 days later btw

https://inews.co.uk/news/instagram-racist-accounts-posts-abuse-still-live-crackdown-after-euros-1103645

[Tom4784]

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[Cherie]

By that logic no one would ever be banned off TiBB, TiBB takes action on reported posts

[Marsh.]

By that logic no one would ever be banned off TiBB, TiBB takes action on reported posts

Fair comparison, TiBB also allows racist posts to remain.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fair comparison, TiBB also allows racist posts to remain.

are you a mod or admin?

i can never remember

:think:

[Marsh.]

are you a mod or admin?

i can never remember

:think:

I forgot you needed mod or admin status to.... read the forum.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/17C47/production/_119415379_thesun-nc.png

[The Slim Reaper]

1415672086157135887

[Crimson Dynamo]

Blaming the platforms for the actions of the users is just the same childishness that Alf pulled when he tried to make out the problem was people holding racists accountable for their own actions.

/snip


England star Saka urges social media platforms to do better

https://d2x51gyc4ptf2q.cloudfront.net/content/uploads/2021/07/15170836/Bukayo-Saka.jpg

In a post on his official Twitter account on Thursday, the teenager wrote: “To
the social media platforms Instagram, Twitter and Facebook, I don’t want any
child or adult to have to receive the hateful and hurtful messages that me,
Marcus and Jadon have received this week.

“I knew instantly the kind of hate that I was about to receive, and that is a
sad reality that your powerful platforms are not doing enough to stop these
messages.

https://www.football365.com/news/england-star-bukayo-saka-urges-social-media-platforms-do-better

:clap1:

get them telt son

[Cherie]

England star Saka urges social media platforms to do better

https://d2x51gyc4ptf2q.cloudfront.net/content/uploads/2021/07/15170836/Bukayo-Saka.jpg

In a post on his official Twitter account on Thursday, the teenager wrote: “To
the social media platforms Instagram, Twitter and Facebook, I don’t want any
child or adult to have to receive the hateful and hurtful messages that me,
Marcus and Jadon have received this week.

“I knew instantly the kind of hate that I was about to receive, and that is a
sad reality that your powerful platforms are not doing enough to stop these
messages.

https://www.football365.com/news/england-star-bukayo-saka-urges-social-media-platforms-do-better

:clap1:

get them telt son

:clap1:

[The Slim Reaper]

Not the woke left and consequence-free speech advocates, trying to cancel people off social media?

Well...

[rusticgal]

Good for him…

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not the woke left and consequence-free speech advocates, trying to cancel people off social media?

Well...

not nice having ago at a 19-year-old kid

:skull:

[Tom4784]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

There's a difference between blaming a social media platform for the actions of racists in order to absolve them of blame (which Alf and others were doing) and you making out that I'm saying it's not the platform's problem to police it's users.

I've said the former, you've tried to shove the latter down my throat in order to force a gotcha that doesn't even work in the correct context since that is an opinion, not a fact or anything that disproves what I said.

sure

[Ashley.]

I hope they take the sickening reactions from British football fans this year into account when they are deciding whether or not the UK should host the World Cup in 2030. I have never been so ashamed and disappointed.

[MTVN]

I too hope they take into account our diversity, our passionate support, our teams anti-racism stance and the huge shows of support to Marcus Rashford et al when they are deciding who should host the World Cup

[Crimson Dynamo]

I hope they take the sickening reactions from British football fans this year into account when they are deciding whether or not the UK should host t
he World Cup in 2030. I have never been so ashamed and disappointed. oh

British football fans?

Do enlighten us specifically what you mean?

Specifically Wales, Scotland and NI

?

[Tom4784]

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[Cherie]

I too hope they take into account our diversity, our passionate support, our teams anti-racism stance and the huge shows of support to Marcus Rashford et al when they are deciding who should host the World Cup

:clap1:

[Tom4784]

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[The Slim Reaper]

I too hope they take into account our diversity, our passionate support, our teams anti-racism stance and the huge shows of support to Marcus Rashford et al when they are deciding who should host the World Cup

Seems like a very carefully trodden path of words there, mate.

Passionate support separate from the reason Rashford needed support at all? Our diversity is such a big factor, that they got booed before every match for attempting to strengthen that diversity?

The teams anti-racist stance.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I too hope they take into account our diversity, our passionate support, our teams anti-racism stance and the huge shows of support to Marcus Rashford et al when they are deciding who should host the World Cup

Indeed.

Unlike the misguided Players a major study has proven the UK is the least racist nation on God's earth

The GBP should rightly be appluaded. No wonder economic migrants love this nation

[The Slim Reaper]

Indeed.

Unlike the misguided Players a major study has proven the UK is the least racist nation on God's earth

The GBP should rightly be appluaded. No wonder economic migrants love this nation

I don't want to speak for MTVN, but you purposefully criticised something he praised about the team, and then said "indeed" as though you agreed with him.

[Tom4784]

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[MTVN]

Seems like a very carefully trodden path of words there, mate.

Passionate support separate from the reason Rashford needed support at all? Our diversity is such a big factor, that they got booed before every match for attempting to strengthen that diversity?

The teams anti-racist stance.

I think overall we should certainly be proud of our teams diversity and that of our nation which goes beyond almost every other country in Europe

That's not to say we are above criticism and in general I try and shy away from lecturing or belittling other countries for their issues with racism because I know the UK has it too and its hypocritical to pretend otherwise. But the England football team is overwhelmingly a positive force in fighting racism and so are most of its backers. To suggest it should count against our World Cup bid when you see which other countries have hosted the last few major tournaments is surely pretty out of touch

[The Slim Reaper]

I think overall we should certainly be proud of our teams diversity and that of our nation which goes beyond almost every other country in Europe

That's not to say we are above criticism and in general I try and shy away from lecturing or belittling other countries for their issues with racism because I know the UK has it too and its hypocritical to pretend otherwise. But the England football team is overwhelmingly a positive force in fighting racism and so are most of its backers. To suggest it should count against our World Cup bid when you see which other countries have hosted the last few major tournaments is surely pretty out of touch

That's fairer. I completely agree about the actual team, and even venturing off into further issues like Henderson (and I think a couple of others did too) wearing rainbow laces, which in a male dominated and historically homophonic sport like footie is still a risk, but having the confidence in a tolerant group of young people around you sort of takes away the fear.

[GiRTh]

I think overall we should certainly be proud of our teams diversity and that of our nation which goes beyond almost every other country in Europe

That's not to say we are above criticism and in general I try and shy away from lecturing or belittling other countries for their issues with racism because I know the UK has it too and its hypocritical to pretend otherwise. But the England football team is overwhelmingly a positive force in fighting racism and so are most of its backers. To suggest it should count against our World Cup bid when you see which other countries have hosted the last few major tournaments is surely pretty out of touchOf course we should be proud but the team has been diverse for almost 40years yet the black players are still being racially abused by the fans who claim to support them. I dont think there is much to be proud of in that TBH.

[Cherie]

That's fairer. I completely agree about the actual team, and even venturing off into further issues like Henderson (and I think a couple of others did too) wearing rainbow laces, which in a male dominated and historically homophonic sport like footie is still a risk, but having the confidence in a tolerant group of young people around you sort of takes away the fear.

Kane wore a rainbow armband against Germany, we shouldn’t punish the team or indeed the decent fans for a small minority of twats

[Tom4784]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

The team failed, nothing to be proud of. Done by Italians who wanted it more with a better manager who ilt more. The aim was to win.

[MTVN]

Of course we should be proud but the team has been diverse for almost 40years yet the black players are still being racially abused by the fans who claim to support them. I dont think there is much to be proud of in that TBH.

Stamping out racism is an ongoing thing and its a societal problem not just a football one but its something there has been a lot of progress in the last few decades hasn't there? Maybe its not for me to say but I've definitely noticed a shift in public attitudes just in my own lifetime and as depressing as the racism is I also don't think I've seen more anti-racism activism in any other country than I've seen in English football in the last twelve months

[Marsh.]

a major study has proven the UK is the least racist nation on God's earth

:laugh2:

[GiRTh]

Stamping out racism is an ongoing thing and its a societal problem not just a football one but its something there has been a lot of progress in the last few decades hasn't there? Maybe its not for me to say but I've definitely noticed a shift in public attitudes just in my own lifetime and as depressing as the racism is I also don't think I've seen more anti-racism activism in any other country than I've seen in English football in the last twelve monthsConsidering Kick it out started in the early 90's yet there is still a problem then I dont think there has been as much progress as you think.

The 40 years I quoted is quite damming IMO. The guys who abused Paul Parker in the pub I was in in 1990 will probably have kids, maybe grandkids now but the abuse continues. It tells me there is a whole new generation who think its Ok to abuse black players. Like I said in another thread, I think its a mindset that I dont see going away anytime soon.

[Mystic Mock]

Racist abuse is horrible at the best of times, but racist abuse for missing a penalty just shows to me that some of these people throwing the abuse need to get a life.

[Ashley.]

I too hope they take into account our diversity, our passionate support, our teams anti-racism stance and the huge shows of support to Marcus Rashford et al when they are deciding who should host the World Cup

I highly doubt Rashford would describe the treatment he has received as "passionate support". Also, when supporters of other teams are being beaten in the streets, vilified for no good reason and finding themselves on the receiving end of racially-charged and xenophobic threats, it is hardly a surprise that I would come to the conclusion that perhaps England isn't a safe place for such supporters to be welcomed.

[Ashley.]

oh

British football fans?

Do enlighten us specifically what you mean?

Specifically Wales, Scotland and NI

?

My apologies, that was a thoughtless generalisation - English football fans, specifically.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Does anyone know how many people made these comments?

Actual numbers

And actual numbers from the UK

Not Africa

Not Asia

Not middle East

Not Russia

How many of the 66,000,000 that live in this great nation?

[GiRTh]

Does anyone know how many people made these comments?

Actual numbers

And actual numbers from the UK

Not Africa

Not Asia

Not middle East

Not Russia

How many of the 66,000,000 that live in this great nation?

Good lord :laugh:

Constantly wanting proof or evidence. No doubt when you are presented with the evidence you'll discredit the source. :shrug:

If you dont think theres a problem then thats fine. No problem here. I'd like to discuss it, if you feel that way, but know you're unlikely to engage is such a discussion. This constant demand for more proof, more evidence though....:bored:

[Cherie]

Instagram has admitted a mistake in its technology meant racist comments and emojis were not removed.
It comes after a flood of racist abuse was directed at England footballers Bukayo Saka, Marcus Rashford and Jadon Sancho following the men's Euro 2020 final.
Instagram boss Adam Mosseri said content had "mistakenly" been identified as within guidelines instead of referred to human moderators.
The issue had now been fixed, he said.
“We have technology to try and prioritise reports and we were mistakenly marking some of these as benign comments, which they are absolutely not,” he told BBC News.
“The issue has since been addressed.
"Reports on these types of comments should [now] be reviewed properly.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57848106

[Crimson Dynamo]

Marcus Rashford mural damage 'not racist', say police

The words "F--- Sancho" were scrawled over the huge artwork of the England footballer,
painted on the side of a cafe in Copson Street.

The words "s---" and "b------" were also written beside the word "Saka", referencing the
19-year-old player Bukayo Saka whose final penalty miss gave Italy victory.

An offensive drawing was also daubed over Rashford's face.

Rashford, Bukayo Saka and Jadon Sancho, who all missed their penalties, were targeted
with racist abuse on social media after the shootout saw Italy lift the trophy.

But Greater Manchester Police said in a statement: "While the content of the vandalism
is not believed to be of a racial nature, officers are keeping an open mind as to the
motive behind defacing the artwork."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/16/marcus-rashford-mural-damage-not-racist-say-police/

[caprimint]

Not gonna read through 10 pages of this **** because I've got a good idea of what it's gonna be but I'm gonna assume that MTVN or LT spoke something similar to my thoughts earlier judging by the last few pages.

We're one of the most welcoming, diverse and accepting countries in the world and it's a privilege for people to live here. I'm not sure why these extremely few racist messages are being highlighted when it's such a minority. I honestly don't know how or if people think there will ever be a day without any racists or their comments because there won't. It's sad but it's just how it is. Marcus and the other guys' status aren't defined by one penalty, they did their best in the moment and that was enough.

[bots]

also on the bbc

Vandalism that was sprayed on a mural of Marcus Rashford is "not believed to be of a racial nature", say police.

The work in Withington, where Rashford grew up, was defaced after England lost in the Euro 2020 final.

Officers say they have several lines of inquiry and are "keeping an open mind" about the possible motive.

The mural, which was covered in positive messages after the vandalism, has since been restored by street artist Akse.

Greater Manchester Police said officers were examining CCTV from the area and forensic evidence from the spray paint used.

No arrests have been made.

A police spokesperson said: "While the content of the vandalism is not believed to be of a racial nature, officers are keeping an open mind as to the motive behind defacing the artwork."

Supt Richard Timson added: "On Monday morning when we saw the damage done to the mural in Withington we were all left appalled, and we stand with the rest of the community whose solidarity against this vile abuse ever since has really shown the best of our city."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-57852315

[Nicky91]

Not gonna read through 10 pages of this **** because I've got a good idea of what it's gonna be but I'm gonna assume that MTVN or LT spoke something similar to my thoughts earlier judging by the last few pages.

We're one of the most welcoming, diverse and accepting countries in the world and it's a privilege for people to live here. I'm not sure why these extremely few racist messages are being highlighted when it's such a minority. I honestly don't know how or if people think there will ever be a day without any racists or their comments because there won't. It's sad but it's just how it is. Marcus and the other guys' status aren't defined by one penalty, they did their best in the moment and that was enough.

well maybe if we those scum fire up into space, thx to Virgin Galactic (one way ticket to the moon, oh wait not far enough, let them go on the first mars mission to check if that one can indeed be colonized)

[hijaxers]

Does anyone know how many people made these comments?

Actual numbers

And actual numbers from the UK

Not Africa

Not Asia

Not middle East

Not Russia

How many of the 66,000,000 that live in this great nation?

I heard 4 and 3 have had a visit from police.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I heard 4 and 3 have had a visit from police.

yes that is the numbers i have heard now

[Beso]

I've heard there were no reports of racist abuse in the stands, before, during and after he game.

[Elliot]

The U.K. has a special brand of anti blackness because they’re in blatant denial about it. At least the states are somewhat aware of their racist institutions and how this perpetuates vitriol and bigotry. This country loves to put itself on a pedalstool while racism and xenophobia here is at an all time high.

[Beso]

The U.K. has a special brand of anti blackness because they’re in blatant denial about it. At least the states are somewhat aware of their racist institutions and how this perpetuates vitriol and bigotry. This country loves to put itself on a pedalstool while racism and xenophobia here is at an all time high.

It's probably at an all time low tbh...

[Crimson Dynamo]

The U.K. has a special brand of anti blackness because they’re in blatant denial about it. At least the states are somewhat aware of their racist institutions and how this perpetuates vitriol and bigotry. This country loves to put itself on a pedalstool while racism and xenophobia here is at an all time high.

can you back that up with some evidence

a link?

[Tom4784]

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[Beso]

Not gonna read through 10 pages of this **** because I've got a good idea of what it's gonna be but I'm gonna assume that MTVN or LT spoke something similar to my thoughts earlier judging by the last few pages.

We're one of the most welcoming, diverse and accepting countries in the world and it's a privilege for people to live here. I'm not sure why these extremely few racist messages are being highlighted when it's such a minority. I honestly don't know how or if people think there will ever be a day without any racists or their comments because there won't. It's sad but it's just how it is. Marcus and the other guys' status aren't defined by one penalty, they did their best in the moment and that was enough.

Some very valid truths told there stacey.

Imagine if this was the 80s or 90s and the internet was around with all the platforms available for football fans to post on back then..You are spot on about this being blown out of proportion.

Highlighting it the way the media has this time will only stoke further racial tension anyone had in their heads.

[Beso]

The crux of the matter is, 3 players, 2 of which did eff all the whole tournament.took 3 awful penalties.

Southgate, (his name now as everyone's dropped the Gartleth like he was everyone's best friend tag) brought the 2 heaps of **** at taking penalties on, to actually take penalties:shocked:

Uncle Gareth made a huge blunder, and is now happily deflecting his ginormous **** up by backing the non story of racism taking over.

[thesheriff443]

The abuse those footballers received by a few random brain dead individuals in the final has had a great impact on racism.

It’s only when it gets maximum exposure and people power do those responsible get punished.

[Crimson Dynamo]

ironically the exposure has come not from the racists..

therein lies a tale....

[thesheriff443]

ironically the exposure has come not from the racists..

therein lies a tale....

It does but some people can’t see the bigger picture

The people in power want and encourage a devision

[Beso]

It does but some people can’t see the bigger picture

The people in power want and encourage a devision

I would say it's the people not in power pushing the agenda.