Comedian Andrew Lawrence's shows are cancelled

[arista]

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If only he did not tweet on this topic.


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[In a post on Twitter, the venue, in Totton,
near Southampton, said: 'Following the racist
comments made by comedian
Andrew Lawrence on Twitter we made
the decision to cancel his show.

'As part of a learning disability charity
Minstead Trust, we work hard to
promote inclusivity,
provide safe spaces for everyone and
have zero tolerance for racism.']


After receiving a backlash for the
comments, he then doubled-down,
adding: 'I can see that this has offended
a lot of people, and I'm sorry that
black guys are bad at penalties.'

Lawrence later took a swipe at
Rashford's campaigning to
encourage the Government to continue
giving out free school meal vouchers during the pandemic.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9781239/Comedian-Andrew-Lawrences-shows-cancelled-Twitter-posts-wake-England-Euro-2020-loss.html

[bots]

it's not even original, he deserves all he gets

[Shaun]

I remember him once on Live at the Apollo. He was awful. Happy what little was left of his career is dead.

[Ammi]

…I have no idea who he is…he pretty much would have known that would happen, though…no venue/organisation would want to have that association and showcase his views that are aimed to offend…it feels as though he more wanted the publicity and his aim was to be cancelled because now people are more aware of him…

[Alf]

…I have no idea who he is…he pretty much would have known that would happen, though…no venue/organisation would want to have that association and showcase his views that are aimed to offend…it feels as though he more wanted the publicity and his aim was to be cancelled because now people are more aware of him…So you believe he should be cancelled from his job as a comedien because his material is offensive, but you'll happily watch a film with offensive material?

Shouldn't we just get rid of every film ever made with offensive material in it? We can't just single out one guy.

[Ammi]

…that’s not what I said at all, though …it feels as though he may have purposefully ‘joined a bandwagon’ with his material of something that’s very high profile atm with the racial abuse against some England players to ‘increase his profile in terms of being discussed etc…’….but I have no idea who he is or what his act is and he would know that the content of his comedy would alienate some venues/organisations, which it obviously has…

[Tireur]

I’d say that he has achieved his objective with those tweets,
prior to today I don’t think I’d heard of him, but I have now.

[Cherie]

He knew what he was doing obviously, yeah I had never heard of him either

[user104658]

I’d say that he has achieved his objective with those tweets,
prior to today I don’t think I’d heard of him, but I have now.


So essentially you’re saying that he doesn’t have the comedy chops to succeed as a
household-name comedian in 2021, so he’s had to resort to an attempt to appeal to a niche market of brexit chavs and gammons. “The Jim Davidson Method” as it’s known. Also used by mediocre telly actors attempting to slide into politics.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jimmy Carr is still working......

N7UVYwQz5_g

[Nicky91]

karma is indeed a ******* bitch

:hehe:



never even heard of this ''comedian'' till these tweets, and based on those tweets, glad he's been cancelled

[Alf]

Jimmy Carr is still working......

N7UVYwQz5_gHe's establishment and rich, he gets a pass.

[Tireur]

So essentially you’re saying that he doesn’t have the comedy chops to succeed as a
household-name comedian in 2021, so he’s had to resort to an attempt to appeal to a niche market of brexit chavs and gammons. “The Jim Davidson Method” as it’s known. Also used by mediocre telly actors attempting to slide into politics.

If your post means that I think that he tried to get some cheap publicity by tweeting contentious remarks, then yes.
Whether he had the “comedy chops” to succeed I don’t know, as prior to this I’d not seen nor heard of him.

[Nicky91]

also it's not just the racist part, but ''wishing children to starve'' is also unacceptable :umm2:

[Ammi]

So essentially you’re saying that he doesn’t have the comedy chops to succeed as a
household-name comedian in 2021, so he’s had to resort to an attempt to appeal to a niche market of brexit chavs and gammons. “The Jim Davidson Method” as it’s known. Also used by mediocre telly actors attempting to slide into politics.

…that might have been me who pondered that as well…only because up until today I had no knowledge of him so it’s a pondering rather than any type of accusation …and this topic would be considered very ‘bandwagon’ atm, very high profile….


…having said that, I’m sure that there are many comedians that I’m not familiar with, stand up is something that I don’t watch very much of…

[Alf]

also it's not just the racist part, but ''wishing children to starve'' is also unacceptable :umm2:I once saw a guy in a film have knives on his hands and kill teenagers in their dreams. They didn't even arrest him, in fact they let him make some more films where he killed even more people.


I've just realised, it was probably part of the act.

[user104658]

Jimmy Carr is still working......

N7UVYwQz5_g


He even goes on the explain the joke and the structure/satire and how the comedy is in the subverted expectation. That’s not for everyone but it’s a cornerstone of satire.

And I’m not even a Jimmy Carr fan - I do think he leans a little too heavily on the “shocks” (like Frankie Boyle).

Three black football players not scoring on penalties and then saying “lol black guys are **** at penalties” is not ANY form of satire?

…I’m sure you understand this, somewhere deep down.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He even goes on the explain the joke and the structure/satire and how the comedy is in the subverted expectation. That’s not for everyone but it’s a cornerstone of satire.

And I’m not even a Jimmy Carr fan - I do think he leans a little too heavily on the “shocks” (like Frankie Boyle).

Three black football players not scoring on penalties and then saying “lol black guys are **** at penalties” is not ANY form of satire?

…I’m sure you understand this, somewhere deep down.

yes the distinction is that the comedian in question was not making a joke he was posting on twitter where as Carr is perhaps telling a joke but its a very fine line in this instance i think

[Ammi]

…the biggest impact atm seems to be that his agency have dropped him and those are the ones that would have got him all of his performance gigs…

[Alf]

Never Mind, it's only his living he's losing, his kids will just have to go without.Still it's worth it, as long as offended people on social media get some satisfactory justice.

[arista]

Jimmy Carr is still working......

N7UVYwQz5_g





Yes Wicked Joke

[user104658]

yes the distinction is that the comedian in question was not making a joke he was posting on twitter where as Carr is perhaps telling a joke but its a very fine line in this instance i think


It isn’t because the joke is the subversion not the statement. Carr’s joke wasn’t “African people have AIDS lol”. The BEST you could argue for this guy if being generous is that he’s an unskilled/unfunny comedian who was trying his best but doesn’t really know how to frame a joke.

[user104658]

Never Mind, it's only his living he's losing, his kids will just have to go without.Still it's worth it, as long as offended people on social media get some satisfactory justice.


He chose to make the joke, if he didn’t realise there was a risk of losing shows/money from being racist on Twitter then he’s stupid as well as unfunny, and he won’t be the first person to lose a job for stupidity.

I tend to agree with the above though; he’s aimed for publicity through controversy, made the decision to take a calculated risk, and whether that’s paid off for him or not remains to be seen. He may well be taken under the wing of the Lozza Fox/Katie Hopkins/Jim Davidson types.

[Alf]

It isn’t because the joke is the subversion not the statement. Carr’s joke wasn’t “African people have AIDS lol”. The BEST you could argue for this guy if being generous is that he’s an unskilled/unfunny comedian who was trying his best but doesn’t really know how to frame a joke.He knows how to frame a joke, what you mean is, you don't like his jokes, which is perfectly fine, I don't like Jo Brands jokes, but when cancel culture came to take her away a few years ago, I didn't want her cancelled. Thankfully for her, she can sell tickets and bring in viewers, so she is capable of making money for people, so she's valuable and willing to tow the line of what is accepted. So she didn't get cancelled. Lawrence mocks the establishment with his comedy, he had to go.

[user104658]

He wasn’t “cancelled” though, no one went digging through old material to pressure his management into dropping him or anything like that, he made a current tweet by choice, people expressed their dislike of it, and his representation made the business decision to drop him.

Is that not their right? Should there be government mandates to stop private enterprises from following the course of action that they believe best protects their profits? That’s very lefty, Alf.

[Alf]

He wasn’t “cancelled” though, no one went digging through old material to pressure his management into dropping him or anything like that, he made a current tweet by choice, people expressed their dislike of it, and his representation made the business decision to drop him.

Is that not their right? Should there be government mandates to stop private enterprises from following the course of action that they believe best protects their profits? That’s very lefty, Alf.People were contacting the clubs he had gigs booked at to get his shows cancelled, These people are the modern day witch hunters, they've now burnt him. That's where we're at now, we're back to witch hunts of humans. It's fun and games when it's not happening to you, but when it eventually comes round to your turn, nobody is coming to your aid, they've all gone.

[Niamh.]

Never heard of him, no harm by the look of it

[Tom4784]

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[The Slim Reaper]

People were contacting the clubs he had gigs booked at to get his shows cancelled, These people are the modern day witch hunters, they've now burnt him. That's where we're at now, we're back to witch hunts of humans. It's fun and games when it's not happening to you, but when it eventually comes round to your turn, nobody is coming to your aid, they've all gone.

The only way the witch hunter analogy would be anywhere near relevant, is if the good women of Salem were busy going round telling everyone they could do magic, fly on brooms, had black cats, and belonged to satan.

[Tom4784]

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[Marsh.]

People were contacting the clubs he had gigs booked at to get his shows cancelled, These people are the modern day witch hunters, they've now burnt him. That's where we're at now, we're back to witch hunts of humans. It's fun and games when it's not happening to you, but when it eventually comes round to your turn, nobody is coming to your aid, they've all gone.

Oh no! People will not tolerate racism! Whatever will we do????!!!

[Mitchell]

It's funny trying to watch Alf invent scenarios that didn't happen in order to excuse racists from the responsibility of their own actions.

Isn’t that pretty much just the entire racism thread yesterday summed up?

[user104658]

The only way the witch hunter analogy would be anywhere near relevant, is if the good women of Salem were busy going round telling everyone they could do magic, fly on brooms, had black cats, and belonged to satan.


“Hello, good sir? Hello I am a witch. Yes… a witch… spells and curses and whatnot. Curses upon you and your family, good day!”

“We are going to burn you now for being a witch.”

“WHAT??!?!?!”

[Alf]

The only way the witch hunter analogy would be anywhere near relevant, is if the good women of Salem were busy going round telling everyone they could do magic, fly on brooms, had black cats, and belonged to satan.You know humour, why don't you explain to the forum who the target of Lawrence's joke was. I'll give you a clue, it wasn't Rashford, Sancho or Saka.

Go on, explain the meaning of his joke.

I'll explain the joke to you when you've had a guess. Because I get tgat people just don't understand humour these days, they're too busy looking for a victim to hate and bully.

[Alf]

Not gonna answer so I'll explain it to you. People like Sadiq khan here is who Lawrence was mocking with his joke. All those people who spent the entire tournament banging on about and pushing race issues. The ones who were constantly saying, "The England football team would be nothing without immigration" That's who's he's taking the pi55 out of.


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[GiRTh]

Didn't I make this exact point after the game? I didnt mean it as a joke so not sure what this fools up to. I just knew , from my decades of experience that someone somewhere was thinking - Ugh. Black players missed, white players scored, . Its a mentality and its not going away anytime soon IMO.

[GiRTh]

Not gonna answer so I'll explain it to you. People like Sadiq khan here is who Lawrence was mocking with his joke. All those people who spent the entire tournament banging on about and pushing race issues. The ones who were constantly saying, "The England football team would be nothing without immigration" That's who's he's taking the pi55 out of.


1414206852682952706Dont think so. I made the same point on the night ad I wasn't thinking any of that stuff. I just know some people are just so 'basic' in their thoughts

[The Slim Reaper]

You know humour, why don't you explain to the forum who the target of Lawrence's joke was. I'll give you a clue, it wasn't Rashford, Sancho or Saka.

Go on, explain the meaning of his joke.

I'll explain the joke to you when you've had a guess. Because I get tgat people just don't understand humour these days, they're too busy looking for a victim to hate and bully.


There are a few issues at play here, so replying in the exact way you want won't be possible, but I'm happy to give you a reply, and I'll even try an pre-empt your future reply and explain why I think you're wrong in advance.

Firstly, I'm not sure it's a joke. I don't mean that he knew it wasn't a joke, or didn't mean it to be a joke, I'm just not sure it's in anyway a joke. If I was being charitable, the closest genre you could try and squeeze it in to wold be satire, and I think it falls a million miles short.

I think you're going to try and give an explanation that it's about online crazies and the left and both of them mixed up at the same time, and here's where I'll try and pre-empt your reply.

If you're using satire as your comedic vehicle, then you'd better be punching up, and when you post racist stuff, you're automatically punching down, and then it stops ever being satire imo.

[Alf]

Didn't I make this exact point after the game? I didnt mean it as a joke so not sure what this fools up to. I just knew , from my decades of experience that someone somewhere was thinking - Ugh. Black players missed, white players scored, . Its a mentality and its not going away anytime soon IMO.And alternatively GiRTh, had they have all scored and been the heroes, people like Sadiq Khan would have been saying our win was solely down to imagination and diversity. But the difference is, he wouldn't have been saying it as a joke, he would mean it as a fact. And that's the reason Lawrence is mocking these people, and as a comedian, so he should be, it's his job too.

[GiRTh]

And alternatively GiRTh, had they have all scored and been the heroes, people like Sadiq Khan would have been saying our win was solely down to imagination and diversity. But the difference is, he wouldn't have been saying it as a joke, he would mean it as a fact.He may say that and I'm no supporter of his.

If Kahn said a win was 'Solely' due to diversity I'd agree but if he said diversity contributed then I think he'd be making a good point TBH

[Alf]

He may say that and I'm no supporter of his.

If Kahn said a win was 'Solely' due to diversity I'd agree but if he said diversity contributed then I think he'd be making a good point TBHBut the point here is a human being has just had his life ruined simply because other humans don't understand the meaning behind his joke. That's where we're at, people are hunting and cancelling comedians, and they try passing themselves off as the good guys.

[GiRTh]

But the point here is a human being has just had his life ruined simply because other humans don't understand the meaning behind his joke. That's where we're at, people are hunting and cancelling comedians, and they try passing themselves of as the good guys.I dont sympathise. He knew what he was saying and the controversy it would bring him. His follow up tweet was just as bad. He knew the impact this would have.

[Alf]

I dont sympathise. He knew what he was saying and the controversy it would bring him. His follow up tweet was just as bad. He knew the impact this would have.My fight is against the impact. The impact is facist in nature. A free country doesn't censor its comedians, and as our country is currently censoring its comedians, then we're no longer living in a free country, we now have overloads dictating our lives for us.

[Alf]

Dont think so. I made the same point on the night ad I wasn't thinking any of that stuff. I just know some people are just so 'basic' in their thoughtsHuman beings have thoughts, GiRTh, it's just the way it is, it's nature. Are we to start arresting people and putting them in prison for thoughts?

[GiRTh]

See what you saying but I cant equate the fight for freedom of speech with this mediocre comedian trying to be controversial.

His 'joke' wasnt funny and I doubt he even meant it to be funny. Its was a stupid statement that only someone quite bigoted would have even noticed. He's chose his path and now needs to live with the loss of his career.

I remember in Italia 1990 when Germany scored due to a deflection of Paul Parker. I was in a pub that was rammed and you can imagine the kind of sh*t I was hearing about Parker and his race. It nearly kicked off a few times too cuz I wasnt the only black person there. Its such a shame to see that attitude is still quite prevalent

[Jake.]

Actions have consequences.

[Alf]

Actions have consequences.But the consequences are facist, so I'd vote against those consequences and I would see the consequences as a far bigger danger to humanity than a comedien telling a joke. So for me, the bad guys in all this are the authoritarians who are cancelling other human beings.

[Tom4784]

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[Nicky91]

the ''comedy is cancelled'' moans are so silly



funnily enough i never hear about this 'cancel culture' in my nation

[Ammi]

…I don’t see how he was ‘cancelled’ anyway, surely this descriptive …(…which seems to be social media invented thing…)…manipulates anyway…he chose to use racist language on social media…he chose those words to represent him and if that was a representation of his ‘humour’ then others are also making decisions about how they would like to be represented…his agency no longer want to represent him/because what he’s chosen as a representation doesn’t align with their own choices…and also with any future venues that have been cancelled…the choice to have his act on their premises has been cancelled, he hasn’t been cancelled, he’s just now one of the many comedians that they haven’t chosen…


…this is what one said….and that’s perfectly reasonable, why would any of us pay for a service that went against our ethics and policies….

Chesham Comedy Club in Buckinghamshire announced its intention to cancel his show, writing on Twitter: "I know you won't particularly care, but we at Chesham Comedy club will not tolerate racism in any form so please consider your booking with us cancelled."

…they don’t choose to hire an act that goes against their racism intolerance policy…that’s an obvious choice because he has to make that same allowance for others, that they also have choices in how they’re represented just as he had when he used racist language…it was a ‘that’s me, this is who I am in my comedy, this is an example..’…he gave a ‘sampler’ and some venues have said no thank you, actually….


…just as a by the by, a headline from this morning….

Andrew Lawrence: Comedy club staff threatened with violence for axing comedian’s show following racist tweets


https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/comedy/news/andrew-lawrence-comedy-club-threats-b1883691.html

[Nicky91]

…I don’t see how he was ‘cancelled’ anyway, surely this descriptive …(…which seems to be social media invented thing…)…manipulates anyway…he chose to use racist language on social media…he chose those words to represent him and if that was a representation of his ‘humour’ then others are also making decisions about how they would like to be represented…his agency no longer want to represent him/because what he’s chosen as a representation doesn’t align with their own choices…and also with any future venues that have been cancelled…the choice to have his act on their premises has been cancelled, he hasn’t been cancelled, he’s just now one of the many comedians that they haven’t chosen…


…this is what one said….and that’s perfectly reasonable, why would any of us pay for a service that went against our ethics and policies….

Chesham Comedy Club in Buckinghamshire announced its intention to cancel his show, writing on Twitter: "I know you won't particularly care, but we at Chesham Comedy club will not tolerate racism in any form so please consider your booking with us cancelled."

…they don’t choose to hire an act that goes against their racism intolerance policy…that’s an obvious choice because he has to make that same allowance for others, that they also have choices in how they’re represented just as he had when he used racist language…it was a ‘that’s me, this is who I am in my comedy, this is an example..’…he gave a ‘sampler’ and some venues have said no thank you, actually….


…just as a by the by, a headline from this morning….

Andrew Lawrence: Comedy club staff threatened with violence for axing comedian’s show following racist tweets


https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/comedy/news/andrew-lawrence-comedy-club-threats-b1883691.html

being banned from social media isn't cancelled, exactly

he messed up big time with those racist tweets


if he didn't go too far with those tweets, wouldn't have been banned, and also even more so wouldn't have been axed from that comedy club


his own fault this

[Beso]

Imagine losing your livelihood for stating a fact.