The Walking Dead Season 11 Discussion Thread (premieres August 22/23)

[Nicky91]

so what we do know

the cast



Starring
Norman Reedus as Daryl Dixon, a skilled hunter and a former recruiter for Alexandria.

Melissa McBride as Carol Peletier, a survivor who has overcome several traumas, is a skilled and ingenious fighter, and now resides at Alexandria.
She is also ex-wife to Ezekiel.

Lauren Cohan as Maggie Greene, Glenn's widow and the former leader of the Hilltop who has a grudge on Negan for killing her husband.

Christian Serratos as Rosita Espinosa, a pragmatic member of the group who is mother to her and Siddiq's child. She is also in a relationship with Gabriel.

Josh McDermitt as Eugene Porter, an intelligent survivor who has overcome his fear of walkers. He is leading an expedition to a distant community.

Seth Gilliam as Gabriel Stokes, a priest and head of the council of Alexandria who has reconciled his beliefs with what needs to be done to survive. He is in a relationship with Rosita.

Ross Marquand as Aaron, a former recruiter from Alexandria who is adoptive father to Gracie.

Khary Payton as Ezekiel, the charismatic former leader of the Kingdom and ex-husband to Carol. He is also accompanying Eugene's expedition to the distant community.

Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Negan, the reformed former leader of the Saviors who formed a parental bond with Alpha's daughter Lydia during the Whisperer War.
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Also starring
Callan McAuliffe as Alden, a former member of the Saviors who is Enid's former love interest.

Eleanor Matsuura as Yumiko, Magna's girlfriend who is a proficient archer and former lawyer before the apocalypse. She is also accompanying Eugene's expedition to the distant community.

Cooper Andrews as Jerry, a former resident of the Kingdom and Ezekiel's right-hand man who is husband to Nabila.

Nadia Hilker as Magna, the feisty former leader of a small group of roaming survivors.

Cailey Fleming as Judith Grimes, the daughter of Lori Grimes and Shane Walsh, and adopted daughter of Rick Grimes and Michonne.

Cassady McClincy as Lydia, Alpha's daughter and former Whisperer, who formed a parental bond with Negan during the Whisperer War and now resides in Alexandria. She is also Henry's former love interest.

Lauren Ridloff as Connie, a deaf former member of Magna's group who forms a close bond with Daryl and was presumed to be dead during the Whisperer War
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Confirmed
Michael James Shaw as Mercer, a strong member of the Commonwealth military.

Paola Lázaro as Juanita "Princess" Sanchez, a quirky and flamboyant survivor, who has suffered various traumas in her past. She is also accompanying Eugene's expedition to the distant community.

Angel Theory as Kelly, Connie's protective sister who has a gradual hearing loss.

Margot Bingham as Stephanie

Jacob Young as Deaver

Anabelle Holloway as Gracie, the adoptive daughter of Aaron.

Jackson Pace as Gage, a resident of the Hilltop who resented Lydia over the deaths of his friends during the Whisperer War.

Lynn Collins as Leah, the former owner of Dog, who formed a loving connection with Daryl.

Okea Eme-Akwari as Elijah, a mysterious and masked member of Maggie's group.

James Devoti as Cole, a trusted member of Maggie's group.

Kien Michael Spiller as Hershel Rhee, the son of Glenn and Maggie.

Glenn Stanton as Frost

Marcus Lewis as Duncan

C.Thomas Howell as Hilltop Rider

This season will adapt material from issues #175–193 of the comic book series and focus on the group's encounter with the Commonwealth, a large network of communities that has advanced equipment and almost fifty thousand survivors living in their different settlements.

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[Nicky91]

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C.Thomas Howell is basically this character


C. Thomas Howell is the real life friend of Michael Cudlitz and was given this role due to his ability to ride a horse at high speed and deliver lines all at once, without needing a stuntman to perform the stunts. One of the conditions C. Thomas Howell proposed that his character have the opportunity to be recurring.

he has taken over this particular role from William Michael deArmon (whom was more also his stunt double, stand in actor when not available for filming), and it is confirmed he will appear in season premiere episodes Acheron Part1 & Acheron Part2

[user104658]

I’m looking forward to it, we have encountered them already in various ways - Jadis/Anne was selling people to the commonwealth for resources - she was planning to trade Gabriel, Rick, and at one point Negan… then did eventually trade Rick in exchange for her own place in the commonwealth setting up the Rick Grimes movies. It’s implied that they’ve been watching him for a while - every time Rick has seen a helicopter through the series it was them, right back to S1…

Also they’ve encountered them in Fear The Walking Dead - a main character met, helped and eventually left with a Commonwealth helicopter pilot, who also provided a group with a tonne of antibiotics to beat an illness… though it was implied that it was “off the books” and that the commonwealth bosses wouldn’t be happy if they found out.

The group that Eugene’s expedition has run into will most likely be commonwealth-linked, too.

[user104658]

Oh and the writers confirmed “off show” that Jadis sold Heath to the commonwealth. I have a feeling he might show up in one of the Rick Grimes movies.

[Nicky91]

was last night watching back from season 9, on tv

FOX airs the last two seasons before the premiere of this one which is a nice thing to do, for people to catch up and fresher in people's memory again

[user104658]

I'm watching S9 too currently :hee:. Just got to Rick's departure/the fast-forward to little Ninja Judith.

[Nicky91]

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[Nicky91]

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[Tony Montana]

Got 4 episodes of season 10 left and then I’ll be fully caught up with the show just in time for the final season. :dance:

Is Fear the Walking Dead any good?

[user104658]

Got 4 episodes of season 10 left and then I’ll be fully caught up with the show just in time for the final season. :dance:

Is Fear the Walking Dead any good?


Patchy. It takes about a season to find its feet, then gets good for a while, then great for a while after Morgan arrived and (spoilerish - not specific story spoilers)

”The Big Cast Change” - they basically changed the entire cast, only 3 of the original cast remaining)

Although the second half of the most recent season was a little messy. However that may partly be down to filming under Covid restrictions. A lot of shows got a little messy for a while there…

On balance, if you like TWD it’s definitely worth watching, unless you for some reason hated Morgan, as he is essentially the “Rick” of the show from S4 onwards. Yes if you were wondering where Morgan disappeared to in S8 walking dead - the answer is Texas :joker:.

A lot of people also disliked many of the S1 characters but even if you do it’s worth carrying on with because, walking dead being walking dead, obviously characters come and go.

[Nicky91]

tomorrow start of final season :love:

[Nicky91]

episode 1 tonight :dance: :dance:


its a Part 1 immediately, what its about Maggie and a small group going to a military base, apparently where she had been at for a while either, Negan must lead the group as well, the ideal mission for him to prove himself, but the residents of the base were all slaughtered by some unknown group, and Eugene/Ezekiel/Yumiko/Princess am i forgetting someone in that group but anyway more interrogation stuff at commonwealth

[Nicky91]

episode 1

quite liked it


the end, well most boring cliffhanger EVER award, we all know Maggie will survive that, and also Negan not saving her, well lol Maggie herself wouldn't have saved Negan if things were other way around and she freaking well knows that


Daryl of course going after Dog, i think Dog noticed a gap somehow, because he is that smart kinda, and i also do not think they'll kill off another animal, after having gotten many people upset after Shiva's death



regarding the commonwealth, not sure what to think yet, have a gut feeling you can't trust them, i don't trust that reprocessing thing either



my score for the episode 9.5/10

[Strictly Jake]

I agree Nicky fantastic episode

[user104658]

I thought it was a good opener. Negan will blatantly come back and save Maggie, because we all know she'll survive, so if he doesn't save her he's screwed. They're just trying to make the audience think he's abandonned her.

If I had to guess - he's found a way to drop down inside the train carriage, and will open the door from the inside and pull her in.

[Niamh.]

Watched the first 2 episodes last night, both were very good. I hope that this last season will be mostly decent episodes as it's the last Season

[user104658]

Watched the first 2 episodes last night, both were very good. I hope that this last season will be mostly decent episodes as it's the last Season

Ooh I didn't know ep 2 was out early, downloading as I type this :hee:.

[Strictly Jake]

Ooh I didn't know ep 2 was out early, downloading as I type this :hee:.

Yeah when I watched last night just ep 1 was on. Oh good I can watch ep 2 this week

[Nicky91]

i'll wait until monday :laugh:

i have other things to watch too still

[user104658]

I thought it was a good opener. Negan will blatantly come back and save Maggie, because we all know she'll survive, so if he doesn't save her he's screwed. They're just trying to make the audience think he's abandonned her.

If I had to guess - he's found a way to drop down inside the train carriage, and will open the door from the inside and pull her in.

:fist: never mind lol

Yeah when I watched last night just ep 1 was on. Oh good I can watch ep 2 this week

It's not on Disney+ until Monday I think... it apparently streams early on AMC+ in the US so you can download it early if you're a criminal like Niamh.

[Niamh.]

:fist: never mind lol



It's not on Disney+ until Monday I think... it apparently streams early on AMC+ in the US so you can download it early if you're a criminal like Niamh.

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[Niamh.]

:fist: never mind lol



It's not on Disney+ until Monday I think... it apparently streams early on AMC+ in the US so you can download it early if you're a criminal like Niamh.

She should have shot the ****er in the head, can't believe she hasn't already after what he did to Glen tbh

also

I'd be sticking to Daryl and Dog like glue if I were in that Apocalypse

[Niamh.]

and another thing

How on Earth did she escape those walkers without getting bit, there were at least 6 right on top of her :laugh:

[Nicky91]

i keep siding with Negan, i agree with him a lot about going further in those tunnels is a bad idea

i mean wanting to get more food is one thing, but that doesn't have to be a suicide mission

[Tony Montana]

Fantastic opener :clap1: I'm loving the tension between Negan and Maggie. I can't say I blame him for not saving her, if the roles were reversed Maggie would've 100% left him too.

[Tony Montana]

Patchy. It takes about a season to find its feet, then gets good for a while, then great for a while after Morgan arrived and (spoilerish - not specific story spoilers)

”The Big Cast Change” - they basically changed the entire cast, only 3 of the original cast remaining)

Although the second half of the most recent season was a little messy. However that may partly be down to filming under Covid restrictions. A lot of shows got a little messy for a while there…

On balance, if you like TWD it’s definitely worth watching, unless you for some reason hated Morgan, as he is essentially the “Rick” of the show from S4 onwards. Yes if you were wondering where Morgan disappeared to in S8 walking dead - the answer is Texas :joker:.

A lot of people also disliked many of the S1 characters but even if you do it’s worth carrying on with because, walking dead being walking dead, obviously characters come and go.

Cheers TS, I loved Morgan in TWD so I'm looking forward to seeing him again, hopefully he'll be as brutal and willing to kill like he was in season 8.

[user104658]

and another thing

How on Earth did she escape those walkers without getting bit, there were at least 6 right on top of her :laugh:

It's always been one of the sillier bits of plot armour. A minor character encounters one walker and gets a chunk instantly taken out of them... or a character can be totally swamped and fighting them off from literally on top of them and not one little tooth gets through :think:. Also just the fact that they know one bite is a death sentence but they don't wear things like chain or tough leather armour as standard, even just on their arms and legs, when that would definitely stop a walker bite (and is clearly the purpose of the shiny Commonwealth armour). Actually reminded me a bit of Glen scrambling under the dumpster without so much as a scratch.

The other thing that's been bugging me is that it was clear at the end of the last season that Lydia has the effortless ability to "walk with the dead" as a whisperer, and even Negan had learned it relatively quickly (I think in the space of a few months?). Most characters have to use the "guts trick" which we know they don't use often because of the risk (like poor Gabe lol) ... but A) they haven't thought to have them teach this skill to others and B) we've now seen both of them encounter walkers and NOT use that skill :think:. Instead of Lydia fighting the large group in the warehouse head on like the others, they should have had her "fade back" into the walkers and start taking them out stealthily from the back... like her "special ability" if she was a game character or something... but also why couldn't Negan do the same in the tunnels? In theory, neither of those characters should be at risk from walkers, we've seen them walking with hundreds of them. :shrug:. Maybe Negan does need to be "smelly" to do it. But it was made pretty clear that it's easy-peasy for Lydia.

[Niamh.]

Fantastic opener :clap1: I'm loving the tension between Negan and Maggie. I can't say I blame him for not saving her, if the roles were reversed Maggie would've 100% left him too.

Yeah but Maggie has a genuine reason to hate Negan, he did club her husband to death in front of her, he should be trying to make that up and feel guilty about it, enough to save her imo

[user104658]

Yeah but Maggie has a genuine reason to hate Negan, he did club her husband to death in front of her, he should be trying to make that up and feel guilty about it, enough to save her imo

That's where it gets unrealistic really. You CAN make excuses for Negan that mean other people might be willing to accept that he's "done his time"; it was wartime, the attack on the outpost was actually pretty immoral, he genuinely believed his own **** about it being for the greater good, he has done things to redeem himself in some people's eyes (saving Judith, killing Alpha etc.) and also it's meant to have been like 8 or 9 years at this point.

The issue is that realistically none of those reasons would matter to Maggie... there's no way she'd let it go even if in her time away she'd changed so much that she was 100% on-board with his reasoning. It wouldn't matter because it was so personal and that's just how people are... when it's your own family objectivity goes out the window.

[Niamh.]

It's always been one of the sillier bits of plot armour. A minor character encounters one walker and gets a chunk instantly taken out of them... or a character can be totally swamped and fighting them off from literally on top of them and not one little tooth gets through :think:. Also just the fact that they know one bite is a death sentence but they don't wear things like chain or tough leather armour as standard, even just on their arms and legs, when that would definitely stop a walker bite (and is clearly the purpose of the shiny Commonwealth armour). Actually reminded me a bit of Glen scrambling under the dumpster without so much as a scratch.

The other thing that's been bugging me is that it was clear at the end of the last season that Lydia has the effortless ability to "walk with the dead" as a whisperer, and even Negan had learned it relatively quickly (I think in the space of a few months?). Most characters have to use the "guts trick" which we know they don't use often because of the risk (like poor Gabe lol) ... but A) they haven't thought to have them teach this skill to others and B) we've now seen both of them encounter walkers and NOT use that skill :think:. Instead of Lydia fighting the large group in the warehouse head on like the others, they should have had her "fade back" into the walkers and start taking them out stealthily from the back... like her "special ability" if she was a game character or something... but also why couldn't Negan do the same in the tunnels? In theory, neither of those characters should be at risk from walkers, we've seen them walking with hundreds of them. :shrug:. Maybe Negan does need to be "smelly" to do it. But it was made pretty clear that it's easy-peasy for Lydia.

That's exactly what Gav said too straight away that the Glen Dumpster incident was as bad. You're thinking there's no way in hell they didn't get bit there and when they come out without so much as a nibble you're thinking hhmmm no chance

Yeah exactly, Eskiel and his crew used to wear armour but they kind gave that up.........why? :laugh:

Maybe the "walking amongst the dead" only works if they haven't seen you run around like a live person first? :laugh:

[user104658]

That's exactly what Gav said too straight away that the Glen Dumpster incident was as bad. You're thinking there's no way in hell they didn't get bit there and when they come out without so much as a nibble you're thinking hhmmm no chance

Yeah exactly, Eskiel and his crew used to wear armour but they kind gave that up.........why? :laugh:

Maybe the "walking amongst the dead" only works if they haven't seen you run around like a live person first? :laugh:

Hmmm I guess maybe they have some sort of short-term memory, we'll go with that :joker:. To be fair, the Whisperererers did a couple of times have to kill "Guardians" who came into the camp and started attacking, so that sort of makes sense, as otherwise they could all just go into "zombiemode" and not be at risk so they wouldn't have had to kill the walkers.

[Nicky91]

honestly i also went full on Negan-mode somehow, on one guy in telltale twd new frontier

[user104658]

hopefully he'll be as brutal and willing to kill like he was in season 8.

He's on-and-off with that philosophy... there was a great scene towards the end of the most recent though, Morgan in full stick-ninja-mode poking bad guys full of holes whilst outnumbered like 5 on 1 :joker:

[Nicky91]

i now feel differently how my opinion is like towards the walkers (thx to telltale final season, my moment as a ''whisperer'' in the shed, that indeed being between walkers and watching them listen to music is very nice to see) they aren't just ''monsters''

[Ashley.]

It's always been one of the sillier bits of plot armour. A minor character encounters one walker and gets a chunk instantly taken out of them... or a character can be totally swamped and fighting them off from literally on top of them and not one little tooth gets through :think:. Also just the fact that they know one bite is a death sentence but they don't wear things like chain or tough leather armour as standard, even just on their arms and legs, when that would definitely stop a walker bite (and is clearly the purpose of the shiny Commonwealth armour). Actually reminded me a bit of Glen scrambling under the dumpster without so much as a scratch.

The other thing that's been bugging me is that it was clear at the end of the last season that Lydia has the effortless ability to "walk with the dead" as a whisperer, and even Negan had learned it relatively quickly (I think in the space of a few months?). Most characters have to use the "guts trick" which we know they don't use often because of the risk (like poor Gabe lol) ... but A) they haven't thought to have them teach this skill to others and B) we've now seen both of them encounter walkers and NOT use that skill :think:. Instead of Lydia fighting the large group in the warehouse head on like the others, they should have had her "fade back" into the walkers and start taking them out stealthily from the back... like her "special ability" if she was a game character or something... but also why couldn't Negan do the same in the tunnels? In theory, neither of those characters should be at risk from walkers, we've seen them walking with hundreds of them. :shrug:. Maybe Negan does need to be "smelly" to do it. But it was made pretty clear that it's easy-peasy for Lydia.

I suppose it would depend on the mission. If they were required to collect and carry things from A to B, they could easily attract the attention of a walker because walkers can differentiate between human and walker movement (which is why the whisperers had to learn to 'walk like a walker'). Plus, it would perhaps be more difficult to complete certain tasks when surrounded by a horde?

[Smithy]

This is really random bc I haven’t watched the show in years but I was out for brunch with my friend yesterday and we bumped into David Morrissey (who played the governor) and he was so nice and I got a picture with him :hee:

[Nicky91]

episode 2

such an amazing start to this final season :clap2:



ummm so my thoughts on the new groups

Commonwealth

i don't quite trust them yet, but maybe it is me having been into the telltale game, somehow they remind me of New Frontier, with their ways of quarantaine upon arrival of new people, and Mercer i find looking like quite an asshole no offense

Reapers

on first appearance they look not too friendly, but idk yet, maybe they might turn out to be the good guys here with just their own ways of survival etc, who knows maybe the people who they had been hanging there were commonwealth soldiers for all we know


also Leah being part of them makes me wonder, if they are truly bad either, since Leah/Daryl had a friendship before she had disappeared, and Dog's first owner
.

[Nicky91]

This is really random bc I haven’t watched the show in years but I was out for brunch with my friend yesterday and we bumped into David Morrissey (who played the governor) and he was so nice and I got a picture with him :hee:

David is very nice, i like his reaction videos on some of these newer episodes

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah but Maggie has a genuine reason to hate Negan, he did club her husband to death in front of her, he should be trying to make that up and feel guilty about it, enough to save her imo

Exactly.

The writing trying to make Maggie seem like the bad guy in this is simply ridiculous and I hate to say it, but it's also immoral.

Also what do the writers want from Negan? First he is a serial killer + serial rapist, then he gets slowly redeemed into the group, now he leaves Maggie to die.

Why doesn't his writing ever make sense? It reminds me of Spike from Buffy all over again, only even more stupid with Negan which is quite the achievement.

[Nicky91]

Maggie giving Negan a gun to help out against the walkers :love:



@Mock did she die? umm no Maggie is a resourceful, skilled woman, Negan knows that, and if i were in Negan's position there i would've done the same, i mean you don't go saving someone who wants you dead




also The Reapers, they weren't in the comics, sooo they for the first time steered clear from those in this final season



from the extra episodes of season 10, we already know their leader is a man named ''Pope''

what we know more is they run Meridian now, formerly run by Maggie and her group and Pope has marked Maggie for death, so i think she has done something bad to him to deserve that death sentence :think: only my theory of course

[user104658]

@Mock did she die? umm no Maggie is a resourceful, skilled woman, Negan knows that, and if i were in Negan's position there i would've done the same, i mean you don't go saving someone who wants you dead


Nah I think it is bad writing. Negan has been written as resourceful and clever also - and would have known she had a good chance at escaping that situation unaided (as you said). It would be different if he thought she was definitely screwed, then he might have let her die. However, in a situation where she might survive anyway, the "right" writing would have been for Negan to dramatically "save her" - as he would be well aware that he could then use that to his advantage with the group and possibly even Maggie herself. Maybe not enough to get Maggie on-side but the rest of the group would, from then on, have been much more hesitant in totally siding with her on her "I want Negan dead" quest. Would also win him brownie points back home when the story got around.

As it is, I think they are potentially setting up a situation where Maggie accepts that Negan "has changed". I don't actually think that's bad writing of NEGAN, though, he was locked up for the best part of a decade and it's very possible that he has genuinely changed... but it is bad writing of Maggie - who would literally be the one character who realistically would never accept him, no matter the circumstances.

[user104658]

A brief thought regarding Episode 3:

Didn't Negan get hit in the leg with an arrow? How come he's walking totally fine by the end of the episode? That's a deep-tissue injury and at serious risk of infection! He's just walked it off :joker:. They could at least have shown him disinfecting & bandaging it.

[Nicky91]

Nah I think it is bad writing. Negan has been written as resourceful and clever also - and would have known she had a good chance at escaping that situation unaided (as you said). It would be different if he thought she was definitely screwed, then he might have let her die. However, in a situation where she might survive anyway, the "right" writing would have been for Negan to dramatically "save her" - as he would be well aware that he could then use that to his advantage with the group and possibly even Maggie herself. Maybe not enough to get Maggie on-side but the rest of the group would, from then on, have been much more hesitant in totally siding with her on her "I want Negan dead" quest. Would also win him brownie points back home when the story got around.

As it is, I think they are potentially setting up a situation where Maggie accepts that Negan "has changed". I don't actually think that's bad writing of NEGAN, though, he was locked up for the best part of a decade and it's very possible that he has genuinely changed... but it is bad writing of Maggie - who would literally be the one character who realistically would never accept him, no matter the circumstances.


Negan was broken at first, after the death of his wife, that was what led him to become leader of Saviors


i think the first one who gotten through to his real side, must've been Carl, since that letter he was given by him, he really liked that

[user104658]

Negan was broken at first, after the death of his wife, that was what led him to become leader of Saviors


i think the first one who gotten through to his real side, must've been Carl, since that letter he was given by him, he really liked that

I think Negan basically bought his own BS - he genuinely believed they were doing more harm than good and that everything would descend into chaos without the Saviours. They also palmed off most of the saviour's worst attrocities (exterminating the Oceanside men, for example) on Simon and a "rogue group" though I think that was a bit of a deus ex machina.

And you could then argue that in his years locked up, he realised that he had it wrong. That makes sense in terms of his plotline with The Whisperers, too. I think he basically sees himself mirrored in Alpha, he knows that her ideas and methods are utterly crazy, but he can see that SHE genuinely believes it's "right". He takes so long to kill her because he hopes he can bring her round to doing things differently and she can change, too. But then after Hilltop and the conversation that follows, he realises that it's never going to happen so he has to go ahead with the origina plan and kill her.

See I honestly don't think negan is a badly written character - there are a few minor points that cause trouble and could easily have been left out. One is his "wives". They go to great lengths to suggest that Negan is not "a rapist", he says as much himself, that he hates anyone who would do that, and kills one of his men for attempting to attack Sasha. But then he has his group of wives who he claims are all "there voluntarily" because they're never literally forced :umm2:. That is not how consent works, TWD writers, it's made abundantly clear that these women have been coerced into the "job" of being his wives and thus it is absolutely rape when he has sex with them. I mean FFS, Sherry only agreed to marry him to save her own actual husband's life. They could have left the Harem o' Wives out completely - OR had it be a group who had genuinely pretended they wanted to be with him in order to live more comfortably (you could even have them still secretly hating him and plotting to kill him, with him oblivious and thinking they're genuinely happy).

The other point isthe "second kill" (Glenn). I think it was done for shock value, which is the worst part really. But it makes all of the stuff happening now harder to accept. IMO even if Glenn had to go and Maggie had to be widowed, a "cleaner" way to do it would have been to have him kill Abraham like what happens, then instead of Darly jumping up (which gets Glenn killed) just have it be Glenn that jumps up and attacks Negan, and one of the other Saviours shoots & kills him when he tries. You have mainly the same effect but without it actually being Negan that killed Glenn, making it MUCH more likely that Maggie - who would still blame him - could come around.

As it stands, it just doesn't make sense. Negan wouldn't even be on this mission with them, realistically. Even if she begrudgingly accepted that he's being allowed to live free in Alexandria... he'd be cooling his heels helping out with wall repairs, not tagging along on a vital mission. "He's the only one who knows the city" is a crappy excuse.

[Nicky91]

I think Negan basically bought his own BS - he genuinely believed they were doing more harm than good and that everything would descend into chaos without the Saviours. They also palmed off most of the saviour's worst attrocities (exterminating the Oceanside men, for example) on Simon and a "rogue group" though I think that was a bit of a deus ex machina.

And you could then argue that in his years locked up, he realised that he had it wrong. That makes sense in terms of his plotline with The Whisperers, too. I think he basically sees himself mirrored in Alpha, he knows that her ideas and methods are utterly crazy, but he can see that SHE genuinely believes it's "right". He takes so long to kill her because he hopes he can bring her round to doing things differently and she can change, too. But then after Hilltop and the conversation that follows, he realises that it's never going to happen so he has to go ahead with the origina plan and kill her.

See I honestly don't think negan is a badly written character - there are a few minor points that cause trouble and could easily have been left out. One is his "wives". They go to great lengths to suggest that Negan is not "a rapist", he says as much himself, that he hates anyone who would do that, and kills one of his men for attempting to attack Sasha. But then he has his group of wives who he claims are all "there voluntarily" because they're never literally forced :umm2:. That is not how consent works, TWD writers, it's made abundantly clear that these women have been coerced into the "job" of being his wives and thus it is absolutely rape when he has sex with them. I mean FFS, Sherry only agreed to marry him to save her own actual husband's life. They could have left the Harem o' Wives out completely - OR had it be a group who had genuinely pretended they wanted to be with him in order to live more comfortably (you could even have them still secretly hating him and plotting to kill him, with him oblivious and thinking they're genuinely happy).

The other point isthe "second kill" (Glenn). I think it was done for shock value, which is the worst part really. But it makes all of the stuff happening now harder to accept. IMO even if Glenn had to go and Maggie had to be widowed, a "cleaner" way to do it would have been to have him kill Abraham like what happens, then instead of Darly jumping up (which gets Glenn killed) just have it be Glenn that jumps up and attacks Negan, and one of the other Saviours shoots & kills him when he tries. You have mainly the same effect but without it actually being Negan that killed Glenn, making it MUCH more likely that Maggie - who would still blame him - could come around.

As it stands, it just doesn't make sense. Negan wouldn't even be on this mission with them, realistically. Even if she begrudgingly accepted that he's being allowed to live free in Alexandria... he'd be cooling his heels helping out with wall repairs, not tagging along on a vital mission. "He's the only one who knows the city" is a crappy excuse.


those kills, well it must've felt good to smash someone's brains in (member of Rick's little pathetic group)


hope the Reapers will go for one shocking death too, maybe that pathetic Gabriel bitch


already think Pope will be soooo ICONIC, just based on what he looks like


ooh maybe Stephanie's head on a stake, to completely break poor little wimp Eugene



and that Stephanie ''miss four eyes'' i do not trust either, commonwealth bunch of elitist morons who not belong in the current apocalyptic world with their old ways

[Nicky91]

it just wouldn't surprise me if the reapers aren't the villains, since branding them as the ''villains'' pre-season just seems a bit too boring to give that away


wouldn't surprise me if it was other way around and commonwealth being the bad guys (and those corpses hanging there on trees by reapers, being commonwealth soldiers)



why else do you think commonwealth wants to know Eugene's group their location ;)

[Nicky91]

also the reapers kill people, WOW WOW

the only crime they commit is killing people to keep surviving


as if nobody else had done that either



''killing one in order to save many is part of survival'' its just how that sort of world works


commonwealth comes across to me as wanting to remain in the old ways but comes across like a dictatorship with those strict rules of quarantaine i do not trust that

[user104658]

Ep 4 spoilers

Not them using Pope burning someone alive to prove that he's an irredeemable "big bad" when Negan straight up yeeted the Sanctuary doctor into an incinerator :joker:. That said, I do think Pope is quite convincingly unhinged as a villain, and well cast. Joseph Seed (Far Cry 5) vibes (one of my all time favourite video game villains, as it happens).
https://i.imgur.com/e1IVOYq.png

Generally another very good episode overall though. Oh I also have to note, THIS scene:

https://i.imgur.com/LE5n5Fl.png

The way Norman Reedus acts this scene is fascinating. He doesn't have any lines, he doesn't say anything at all, but watch his body language throughout... he's like a kid being intimidated by a parent that could snap at any second. And we know that Daryl had a physically abusive relationship with his actual father, and a complicated relationship with his older brother who was also aggressive and abusive. Unlike Negan who Daryl never backed down from or feared (much to Negan's annoyance) ... might this be hinting that Pope will be able to break Daryl? Are Daryl's daddy issues with this sort of man going to lead to him genuinely sipping the kool-aid? Hmmm.

[Nicky91]

tonight episode 3

[Ashley.]

Ep 4 spoilers

Not them using Pope burning someone alive to prove that he's an irredeemable "big bad" when Negan straight up yeeted the Sanctuary doctor into an incinerator :joker:. That said, I do think Pope is quite convincingly unhinged as a villain, and well cast. Joseph Seed (Far Cry 5) vibes (one of my all time favourite video game villains, as it happens).
https://i.imgur.com/e1IVOYq.png

Generally another very good episode overall though. Oh I also have to note, THIS scene:

https://i.imgur.com/LE5n5Fl.png

The way Norman Reedus acts this scene is fascinating. He doesn't have any lines, he doesn't say anything at all, but watch his body language throughout... he's like a kid being intimidated by a parent that could snap at any second. And we know that Daryl had a physically abusive relationship with his actual father, and a complicated relationship with his older brother who was also aggressive and abusive. Unlike Negan who Daryl never backed down from or feared (much to Negan's annoyance) ... might this be hinting that Pope will be able to break Daryl? Are Daryl's daddy issues with this sort of man going to lead to him genuinely sipping the kool-aid? Hmmm.

I completely overlooked that scene, but you're right! He seemed genuinely fearful of Pope. I think this could be the character development that Daryl has been needing for a bloody long time. I forget that he and Carol both come from abusive backgrounds... I do wish they'd focus on that a bit more, but hey, there's always the spin-off.

I'm interested to see what's going to happen to Leah... I can't see her surviving this arc, if I'm honest. I'm wondering if there will be some sort of choice (Leah/Connie) in the far future. :think:

[Nicky91]

Ep3

overall again i liked the episode

so many deaths already, feel sad for Cole :( i quite liked James Devoti's acting work there, interesting character he was



ep4 trailer

don't ******* kill off Dog pls, but somehow i think the reapers won't hurt him since Leah has been Dog's first owner

I :love: Pope already, don't let reapers be filler villains but let there be some twist to this storyline, which comes into connection with the commonwealth's story




back to episode 3

Negan saving Maggie for doing stupid things :clap2: Agatha was a lost cause right from where she first got bit, and also good on Alden for staying behind in the building to not drag them down any further

Maggie wanting to go on with that mission i understand, also otherwise all those deaths would've been for nothing



Carol scenes with Magna (Nadia Hilker is HOT i just say it :lovedup:) Rosita, Kelly very nice, lovely scenes of the horses as well, apart from Carol killing one horse, ew

[user104658]

It makes me sad that poor Nicky is an episode behind the rest of the thread :worry:.

[Nicky91]

episode 4


OMG, Pope is everything i want in a character this show needs, 1000% more sadistical than Negan or even Governor, but also i understand where he comes from, the whole anti-government, anti-politics thing, i somehow like this group even if they do evil things, but tbh who doesn't kill people in a world like that, he is so right

hope these Reapers won't just be killed off as filler villains, i kinda hope they can help out against those commonwealth deluded *******

[user104658]

episode 4


OMG, Pope is everything i want in a character this show needs, 1000% more sadistical than Negan or even Governor, but also i understand where he comes from, the whole anti-government, anti-politics thing, i somehow like this group even if they do evil things, but tbh who doesn't kill people in a world like that, he is so right

hope these Reapers won't just be killed off as filler villains, i kinda hope they can help out against those commonwealth deluded *******

:worry: I hope I'm not the first to break this news to you Nicky, but this is the final season. It's longer than usual (24 episodes) but after this ... no more "main series" TWD.

AND it probably won't even wrap up the story as I imagine that'll happen in the 3rd and final "Rick Grimes" movie - if they ever get around to making those! (They have been delayed because of Covid)

[Nicky91]

they will somehow get around to making those movies, i mean they also managed to deliver us this season under covid regulations


maybe a movie is more difficult but it is definitely doable, we know they have been delayed because of covid, but currently? maybe something is happening in complete secrecy ;)

[Josy]

Anyone else think this season is 'shot' differently? Like it just feels as if there's some odd camera angles etc

[Niamh.]

Just watched Ep 6. Brilliant episode so tense, it felt like I was watching a horror film

The parts in the house where the sound is gone completely so you really get into what it feels like for Connie, excellent, edge of your seat stuff. Also those feral people were creepy as ****

[user104658]

Anyone else think this season is 'shot' differently? Like it just feels as if there's some odd camera angles etc


I believe they’re filming on 4K digital cameras which means less film grain and different depth of field (background blurring). TWD has traditionally used a lot of both. Also I think a lot of shows have fewer extras than they used to for Covid safety, which means they’ll use camera tricks to make an area “seem” busier than it is so in this case you’d be more likely to have close shots of a few walkers then a different shot of supposedly different walkers but it’s actually the same actors, rather than wider shots of larger groups, which would require more extras.

I notice it quite a bit with Alexandria in TWD actually, it feels “emptier” than it did in past seasons, when they’re actually supposed to have far MORE people living there than ever before (Kingdom and Hilltop people all live there now) but you never see large groups, just smaller pockets of people.

[Nicky91]

i thoroughly episode 5 on monday

although that Lance Hornsby dude of commonwealth i do not trust for one bit, releasing Eugene, Princess, Ezekiel that easily, there must be a catch

and how can that community be that perfect, very suspicious, how do they get all those supplies? maybe they are raiding all those other communities and they want to know Eugene's group their location so they can raid them as well :suspect:

[Strictly Jake]

Yeah also watched episode 5 Nicky. There is definitely something odd going on with the commonwealth. It was really really strange seeing people live like that on the walking dead. I mean that's just how real normal life is but seeing it on the walking dead felt so other worldly. There was such a sinister tone underneath it all. Kind of stepford wives thing. So that's gonna be very very interesting to watch. It was also sort of that feeling we have had recently where everything normal seems to be such a novelty to do after just a year of lockdown haha!

The beginning of the episode with Abraham's dream and a mix of the villains being in it. The whisperers but with negans community whistling too. Creepy!

Also interesting that there is still a very small amount of whisperers still around too!

[user104658]

Just grabbing Ep7 to watch on my lunch break today :hee:.

On a geeky ... downloader ... note, although most likely no one will know what I'm on about, I thoroughly recommend downloading the HEVC format files. The quality is amazing and they're tiny?? Like 400 - 650mb for the 720p file (usually something like 2gb for TWD)

[Strictly Jake]

Watched the one with Connie and Virgil in the house last night. That has to be one of the scariest episodes I've ever seen. Whoever them people were creeped me out to the max. Proper horror that!!

[Nicky91]

episode 6

yes great ep with Connie, Virgil

indeed very well made horror vibe all over episode, also love the moments with no sound so you actually feel like how she feels there


Daryl cutting off a finger of Frost, ew am curious what Pope means with ''i got all remaining information out of him'' and nice way to use him as a scarecrow by putting him in front of meridian like that

[Nicky91]

Watched the one with Connie and Virgil in the house last night. That has to be one of the scariest episodes I've ever seen. Whoever them people were creeped me out to the max. Proper horror that!!

they are named as Ferals on TWD fandom wiki


clever tactic from Connie to use walker guts on herself and opening the door for more walkers to come in

[Niamh.]

Watched the one with Connie and Virgil in the house last night. That has to be one of the scariest episodes I've ever seen. Whoever them people were creeped me out to the max. Proper horror that!!

Yes! It was a fantastic episode, loved it

[user104658]

ep 7

Another really good episode, they're knocking it out of the park this season. I was just saying a couple of weeks ago, "Why wouldn't they have Negan and Lydia teach everyone how to be Whisperers?" so this was quite epic. What is going on with Gabriel though... :suspect:

[Nicky91]

episode 8


screw you producers for killing off such a iconic character like Pope way too soon


on another note, amazing cliffhanger this one


not sure how Maggie, Negan are supposed to survive that


also Judith, Gracie trapped in a basement which will get flooded soon but can't go up because of walkers there



can't wait for february or march or when they will continue with part 2/3 of season 11

[Tony Montana]

Mixed thoughts on the final episode. Killing Pope off was a stupid idea, the guy had potential to be a top tier villain and they hyped him up so much only to kill him this early? Disappointing. And the cliffhanger was pointless as we know Maggie and Negan will survive.

Overall season 11 has been great so far, with episode 6 being the best one. It felt like a proper horror film.

[user104658]

Mixed thoughts on the final episode. Killing Pope off was a stupid idea, the guy had potential to be a top tier villain and they hyped him up so much only to kill him this early? Disappointing. And the cliffhanger was pointless as we know Maggie and Negan will survive.

Overall season 11 has been great so far, with episode 6 being the best one. It felt like a proper horror film.


Judith will clearly survive, too. Although I honestly think we need to form a prayer circle for Gracie, they LOVE being sadistic with poor Aaron on TWD :umm2:.

Pope had potential I guess but they made him too crazy too quickly for him to be a realistic villain for long… it was pretty obvious that his people were going to realise he had fully gone off the tracks sooner rather than later. They’d have had to write him a bit differently from the beginning. I think the elephant in the room is probably that they have a lot of content they want to get through and only one season (albeit nearly double the length of previous seasons) to do it… so they have to get villains like Pope of the way early. My suspicion is that Leah might be being introduced as a villain/antagonist for the Daryl/Carol spin off if that goes ahead.

A 4 month mid-season break is also ludicrous. There's always FTWD though I suppose.

[Tony Montana]

Judith will clearly survive, too. Although I honestly think we need to form a prayer circle for Gracie, they LOVE being sadistic with poor Aaron on TWD :umm2:.

Pope had potential I guess but they made him too crazy too quickly for him to be a realistic villain for long… it was pretty obvious that his people were going to realise he had fully gone off the tracks sooner rather than later. They’d have had to write him a bit differently from the beginning. I think the elephant in the room is probably that they have a lot of content they want to get through and only one season (albeit nearly double the length of previous seasons) to do it… so they have to get villains like Pope of the way early. My suspicion is that Leah might be being introduced as a villain/antagonist for the Daryl/Carol spin off if that goes ahead.

A 4 month mid-season break is also ludicrous. There's always FTWD though I suppose.

Judith will survive too, I forgot about the other cliffhanger. I think Gracie is likely to die too, and Aaron could also die. Since Andrew's departure and Aaron's resemblance to comic Rick, some fans think that Aaron will be the one who Sebastian kills. It will be either him, Maggie or Negan that Sebastian will kill. Maggie or Negan would have a bigger impact but it would make sense if it was Aaron considering how much they made him look like comic Rick.

I reckon Leah will be killed off in the 2nd half of season 11, like Daryl will have to kill her to save his friends type of situation. Isn't the Daryl and Carol spin off show happening after season 11? I doubt they'll keep Leah for that long.

[user104658]

Just watched the latest FTWD (which has become a hybrid post-nuclear/zombie show this season and I actually love it) - the one featuring

Dwight and Sherry as post-nuclear vigilantes!!

And I would totally watch a "Dark Horses" spin-off series. Great episode.

https://i.imgur.com/WhrbsKL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/uqwqTrd.jpg

[Nicky91]

QUk5QDI3E6o

here is trailer for 11b


as of Monday here :dance: :dance:


can't wait




also why does Pamela's actress remind me of Annie Lennox :joker:

[Nicky91]

tonight :dance:

[user104658]

It's on Disney+ already... I've not watched it yet though.

[Nicky91]

not sure what to think yet of the commonwealth


too good to be true, and also quite weird that sort of ''normal life'' inside those walls

[user104658]

not sure what to think yet of the commonwealth


too good to be true, and also quite weird that sort of ''normal life'' inside those wallsAfter the latest episode, it certainly seems that

Overall the commonwealth is "good" but its like the old world... With class struggles, "rich people", normal jobs, political struggles. And of course with that comes danger as it seems from the latest episode (latest available on HBO+) that Lance isn't what he seems and is probably the main upcoming antagonist. My guesses would be that Pamela Milton will die, and Mercer (the head of the commonwealth army) will flip sides as he's gaining respect for Daryl + his sister is getting involved with Eugene.

Potential even bigger spoiler:

In the graphic novels in the longer run, eventually Maggie becomes the leader of the commonwealth, so that may be how it ends...

[Nicky91]

very good castings for this final season for sure :clap2:


Teo Rapp-Olsson does a amazing job as that spoiled brat Sebastian

Laila Robins :love: very good one as Pamela


Josh Hamilton (aka Matt Jensen from 13 Reasons Why) as Hornsby :love: good casting either





as for episode 12

hmmmm


good to see Pamela meeting Maggie, wow Pamela is quite a good shot as for killing walkers with a rifle, better in killing walkers than her son :fan:


Mercer definitely is a good man, love seeing scenes of him and Daryl, he definitely also is genuinely interested hearing Daryl talk about Alexandria


Pamela/Lance their scheme well honestly it is not a bad idea at all wanting many communities to get together, but still i am not trusting this plan entirely either, there might be a catch somehow


i genuinely hope that Pamela isn't going to die soon otherwise poor Daryl if Sebastian will become their new leader


Ezekiel being angry at Carol well understandable how he doesn't want to get special treatments before others but tbh this is how much Carol cares about him, loves him basically also Ian Anthony Dale does a fabulous job as Tomi (find him a underrated actor somehow, i also liked him in cancelled series like The Event, but also in Hawaii Five-O reboot

[Nicky91]

sooooooo the big question going around right now


will Rick Grimes return in 11c and the last part of the final season?


apparently Andrew was spotted at the set location, i think he will be the last part 11c, would also make perfect sense if they could tease some possible storyline what the movies might be about, in the time when he was gone, can also see them giving a different direction compared to the comics where we will know Rick was shot by Sebastian, cannot see that one happening to Rick now, more likely maybe one of Eugene, Ezekiel or Mercer getting that storyline

[Nicky91]

we got a new walking dead fansite/forum apparently, created by someone also from spoilingdeadfans which ceased to exist couple years back


we are twd fans


which also have very strict forum rules

[ThomasC]

Stop watching quite a few series a go. Was brilliant in first few series then has declined. They have overrun it

[Nicky91]

Stop watching quite a few series a go. Was brilliant in first few series then has declined. They have overrun it

had a few lesser interesting moments yes, but i really liked season 10 with the whisperers, and season 11a and 11b so far have been good either, some really good acting work as well, Ty Rapp-Olsson whom is a perfect casting for Sebastian, how very convincingly unlikeable he portrays him, how you should portray a arrogant spoiled rich kid and a weakling too how he cannot even defend himself against one walker, when Daryl needs to save his arse :fan:


also Josh Hamilton portrays a stunning villain role in Hornsby

commonwealth remind me personally so heavily of new frontier from telltale twd season 3, more with similar corruption in its council, whereas the rest of the community aren't that bad


Negan as well, went from very unlikeable to having quite a decent redemption character arc, and i personally find him becoming a solid replacement to Rick in the remainder of the series, pretty sure that what Maggie went through with Glenn, will also end up happening for him, with his new loved one probably being among one of casualties in 11c


also nice how we got little guest starring roles from respective action film/series actors such as Michael Biehn, Robert Patrick too


and Alpha's popularity, possibly might give Samantha Morton's career bit more of a boost as well in terms of other film and series work

[Nicky91]

we got a new walking dead fansite/forum apparently, created by someone also from spoilingdeadfans which ceased to exist couple years back


we are twd fans


which also have very strict forum rules

am registered now, wow YASSSSSS kinda exactly same forum as spoilingdeadfans

makes me happy :lovedup:, since i very very much liked that one, where i felt very sad about that it got closed down for good

[Nicky91]

The Walking Dead season 11 Part 3 UK release date
The new episodes will premiere in the UK on Star on Disney+ on Monday, 3 October 2022.

A teaser for Part 3 shares: “On the heels of the oppressive presence of locusts, an even greater force is bearing down on every single member of each community. With Commonwealth flags raised at Hilltop, Alexandria, and Oceanside, there’s no time to strategize for those on the road. It’s a race against the clock to stay alive and extract those still living in the Commonwealth before Hornsby can execute his revenge.

“Inside the Commonwealth, Connie’s article has created more chaos than planned. By exposing the Milton’s corruption, their hope to create a better, more equal, life for all may instead put everyone at risk.

“With the vast debt our group owes and no other viable place to live, simply leaving has never been an option. But if their next move fails, staying won’t be an option either. What they’re about to embark on will only invite more danger with massive consequences. The clock is ticking for our heroes inside the Commonwealth as well.

“As each group continues to get caught in uncontrollable situations, threats lurk around every corner, dead and alive. The looming pressure is cresting towards a day of reckoning for all. Will the sum of their individual journeys cumulate into one, or divide them forever? The fight for a future continues to be exasperated by the ominous population of walkers. Not all will survive, but for some, the walking dead lives on…”


https://tellymix.co.uk/streaming/582231-the-walking-dead-season-11-uk-release-date-how-to-watch-online.html

[Nicky91]

Stop watching quite a few series a go. Was brilliant in first few series then has declined. They have overrun it

i disagree a lot


ok yes first seasons were great, telltale twd is simply amazing (am not getting enough of it, replaying it many times now with different choices)


Negan redemption arc well he's still the same Negan, but it's lovely how much he cares about Lydia, Judith, Dog, his new girlfriend Annie, and with his backstory i understand him better why he attacked rick's group, he must've thought they were similar to the vipers

[Nicky91]

e17

very very good episode


great action scenes


Negan for the first time setting foot within the commonwealth :D


great scenes with Rosita & Mercer as well, and once again confirmation Mercer is pretty much a good guy (too good for the current state of the commonwealth basically, wanting to do everything by the rules, while some of its leaders seek shortcuts)




now as for the spoilers bit

the Miltons are losing public support more and more within the commonwealth, due to Sebastian's crimes

basically public starting riots, among them also some of our heroes, Ezekiel, Magna, Kelly, Connie (Yumiko still working on the inside as Pamela's lawyer, spokesperson for the people)

[Nicky91]

my mom is currently binge watching this from the very beginning :laugh: she's at season 7 now


and keeps asking me questions

[Nicky91]

OMG great episode :clap1:

Sebastian getting killed by the walker he tried to feed Max on but Eugene saving Max by pushing the walker into the spoiled brat's direction :joker: although great acting work this had been from Teo Rapp-Olsson very convincing job at making him as unlikeable as possible

Lance's henchmen Roman and Shira/Fake Stephanie murdering those janitors in cold blood to let them reanimate within the commonwealth walls to disturb Pamela's party as a revenge for pinning Sebastian's crimes on Lance

Judith using Rick's gun :love:


:love: :love:

[Nicky91]

ep19

great scenes between Aaron, Lydia, Elijah, Jerry, stumbling across some variant walkers, who follow them to a castle where they stopped to rest en route to oceanside, alexandria, Lydia still thinking about Henry, good talk from her and Aaron, and the first kiss of Lydia with Elijah is a fact

Mercer not being able to do much to help our heroes, still think he'll help Eugene a bit now he turned himself in and specifically mentioned he worked alone, not mentioning Max, how brave Eugene has become :clap2:

[Nicky91]

ep22

good episode, wow how brave of Negan wanting to sacrifice himself, but that warden not keeping himself to their deal, Rosita OMG what a brutal way of killing the warden :o

Negan giving me lowkey Kenny (telltale twd) vibes now, being in love with his Annie and about to become a father




nearing the end, and it is making me sad :(

[Josy]

I'm not enjoying it all if I'm honest but I'll stick it out it's nearly done.

The sound has been terrible so mumbly and whispers when there's no need for it

[Nicky91]

pretty sure that Rick is returning for the series finale, and wouldn't be surprised if they have a big role for him either, which kinda would make sense


in light of all the upcoming spin offs too

we got


Dead City: with Maggie & Negan

yet to be titled ones

Rick & Michonne

Daryl & Carol





11x23

some great scenes, like with the train station ambush, i knew Pamela was onto Mercer when she found out about which soldiers he took from which specific sections

aw Lydia being bit and her arm having chopped off to save her life by Jerry, i feel worried for Jerry now though how he went after Elijah to re-join the herd

great scenes between Negan & Ezekiel as well, love Negan willing to sacrifice his own life to save the others and especially his pregnant wife, shows how much he has changed for the good but not having forgotten the terrible things he has done

also loved what he said to Maggie regarding Pamela ''that bitch gotta go down'' he is correct in as long as Pamela lives things will never return to close to normal



there has been great acting work this season

Josh Hamilton whom i only knew before this as Clay's dad Matt Jensen in 13 reasons why, but a phenomenal acting performance as Lance Hornsby here


also see a good future ahead in terms of new projects for Cassady McClincy, great new acting talent

Teo Rapp-Olsson too very talented, i hated Sebastian character but that acting was amazing

[Strictly Jake]

Not ready for this to end. As if there is only one episode left! Not enjoyed any of the second half on this final season though it has been bland but the last episode we just had reminded me how good it used to be as it was a great episode. So it's time for it to go as the standards have dropped but it's gonna be weird not having it around, I will watch the spin offs though.

[Strictly Jake]

Oh my...that final episode...couldn't have cried any more

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf I thought that it had the best ending that was possible for the Show given the circumstances.

Although the Negan character is a mess imo, I'll always stand by that.

The Daryl spin-off and the Rick & Michonne spin-off looks interesting to me.

[Nicky91]

yes was a very emotional last episode, am looking forward to the spin offs a lot now!



Rosita getting bit and hiding her bite gave me personally throwbacks to telltale twd season 1 when Lee got bit and i made the choice to hide it

had me really crying those last moments of her and Eugene, Gabriel


am happy Lydia survived, same goes for Elijah and Dog :love:

Pamela getting arrested, indeed a fate worse than dying for a woman like her




that ending, the character flashback bits with Michonne and Rick talking Goosebumps all over me


Maggie not forgiving Negan but respecting him having changed for the good this much, Negan understands it now how Maggie feels, he was in a dark place too first after his Lucille died and that made him do real nasty things, good he stopped Maggie from shooting Pamela otherwise Maggie would've gone through the same as him




most excited for Dead City: Maggie & Negan spin off


but the main storyline of Michonne & Rick, Daryl & Carol spin offs also excite me

[Nicky91]

R_GbVt50LsU

dead city trailer

[user104658]

I thought the last episode might seem rushed but I actually think it was done quite well - a good summing up for something that clearly is not a "real" finale, with the continuations coming and plenty of scope for existing characters to show up in those. I also think Rick and Michone will eventually be reunited with Alexandria (and Judith/RJ) - the "real" finale isn't until that happens.

I think it's the right direction for the show to take though - more focussed on a couple of main characters in each "season", TWD has been a bit all over the place with the sprawling ensemble cast the last few years.

One thing that did stand out to me... is that my wife stopped watching not long after the "time jump", probably mid-whisperers (she was watching when Lydia joined etc. but not by the time they beat the Whisperers) however she did watch the finale with me... and all I had to explain was what the commonwealth was and that they had joined but the leader turned out to be corrupt. She didn't need any further info from like 2 full seasons. So I can only assume nothing major has actually happened in those seasons... at all... :joker:.

[user104658]

Dead City: with Maggie & Negan

yet to be titled ones

Rick & Michonne

Daryl & Carol

Just Daryl now, no Carol, they're filming in France and the actor didn't want to be away from her family for that length of time. If it continues for several seasons I can see Carol joining later though, as I expect it'll transition to other settings over time. Would be interesting to see Daryl just as a post-apocalyptic globe trotter though. Daryl in London, Daryl in Tokyo etc.

**** knows how he gets to France though. I guess they do have boats but crossing the Atlantic is a big ask :joker:.

[user104658]

One final piece of trivia from IMDB - Eugene and Max's baby is played by the Ezekiel's real-life baby.

...

https://i.imgur.com/NkoTqgT.png

You don't say! Put grey dreadlocks on her and it's the same person! :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

One final piece of trivia from IMDB - Eugene and Max's baby is played by the Ezekiel's real-life baby.

...

https://i.imgur.com/NkoTqgT.png

You don't say! Put grey dreadlocks on her and it's the same person! :laugh:

That's an interesting trivia.

[Niamh.]

One final piece of trivia from IMDB - Eugene and Max's baby is played by the Ezekiel's real-life baby.

...

https://i.imgur.com/NkoTqgT.png

You don't say! Put grey dreadlocks on her and it's the same person! :laugh:

Very cute baby :lovedup:

[user104658]

Very cute baby :lovedup:

When it cut to her me and my wife both at the same time were like "Poor Eugene, Max has clearly been sneaking off with Ezekiel!" :joker:

[Niamh.]

When it cut to her me and my wife both at the same time were like "Poor Eugene, Max has clearly been sneaking off with Ezekiel!" :joker:

:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

When it cut to her me and my wife both at the same time were like "Poor Eugene, Max has clearly been sneaking off with Ezekiel!" :joker:

:joker:

[Nicky91]

if not on tv, hoping disney plus will also acquire the rights for the spin offs i mean they also have the complete main series on that anyway



my mom had recently binge watched everything :laugh: she was first against it, like how can you watch something disgusting like zombies, but she ended up loving it too, her fave characters are Rick, Daryl, Michonne, Negan, Eugene

she heavily disliked The Governor

[Nicky91]

what streaming service will win the rights for the spin offs, we think?

i'm saying Disney/Star might have best paperwork, since they already have the full series on it, and it is really something typical Disney to make collections out of big franchises and TWD is a big franchise, big fanbase


Netflix seems also likely however seems too expensive for them at the moment, considering they've had quite some financial losses lately

[user104658]

what streaming service will win the rights for the spin offs, we think?

i'm saying Disney/Star might have best paperwork, since they already have the full series on it, and it is really something typical Disney to make collections out of big franchises and TWD is a big franchise, big fanbase


Netflix seems also likely however seems too expensive for them at the moment, considering they've had quite some financial losses lately

The reason Disney had the classic TWD was because of the Disney acquisition of Fox, who owned the rights to air the series in the UK (on FX). I think it would be more complicated for them to get the spin-offs. Original series is actually NOT on Disney+ in the US... as the Fox deal was just for airing rights in Europe. AMC have their own streaming platform in the US which is why these other AMC shows aren't on Disney+.

Fear The Walking Dead has never appeared for free on any streaming platform for example... ... ... I think you might need to buy episode-by-episode on Prime for the spin offs Nicky.

Or learn to sail the seven seas like the rest of us :joker:.

[user104658]

Speaking of Fear The Walking Dead, what about Morgan...

concluding his storyline and leaving FTWD half way through the final season to head back to Alexandria with his daughter - IN SEARCH OF RICK :omgno:. For those who haven't kept up, FTWD did a large time jump for the final season and this event would roughly be around the time of the end of TWD finale. Will Morgan and Mo show up in the Rick & Michonne show?

[Niamh.]

Anyone watching the spin off shows? I started the Maggie/Negan one but it was ****e. Love Daryls one though