London Gay Nightclubs opened at Midnight

[arista]

Reported on Times Radio DAB Live


The Club about to go Bankrupt
was happy to open his doors
Covid-19 spreading faster
but he got money into his tills.

[LaLaLand]

Lots of nightclubs opened at 00:01 this morning I heard.

Some not far from me over the border were advertising (Chester/Shrewsbury way) and seemed to be expecting packed houses.

Can't say I blame the owners, as you say they were nearly bankrupt so what else were they going to do? Boris has given the green light, nobody is forcing people to attend. Blame the government not the owners.

[arista]

Lots of nightclubs opened at 00:01 this morning I heard.

Some not far from me over the border were advertising (Chester/Shrewsbury way) and seemed to be expecting packed houses.

Can't say I blame the owners, as you say they were nearly bankrupt so what else were they going to do? Boris has given the green light, nobody is forcing people to attend. Blame the government not the owners.


Yes He gave a Green Light
but should have said keep your Mask on
in Clubs

[arista]

GMBHD itv

Showed a Boss of a Nottingham nightclub
he said Free masks for any that wanted them?

But he just wanted the Money to come in
and keep his club alive

Never mind about Fast Covid spreading

[DouglasS]

Yes He gave a Green Light
but should have said keep your Mask on
in Clubs

Don’t think anyone would go to a club if they had to keep their masks on :laugh:

[bots]

Don’t think anyone would go to a club if they had to keep their masks on :laugh:

i don't know, there would have been some heavy mask to mask action :laugh:

[Nicky91]

stupid decision

:idc:



imagine Boris being such a dumb moron whom doesn't listen to thousands of scientists and still going on with this irrelevant freedom day



well his karma will be more of those covid hotspots nationwide then

[joeysteele]

Yes He gave a Green Light
but should have said keep your Mask on
in Clubs

Utterly reckless and dangerous.

[bots]

it's hardly a reckless decision when everyone over 18 has been offered a vaccine. I think some people just think we should be locked down now for the rest of our lives

[Nicky91]

it's hardly a reckless decision when everyone over 18 has been offered a vaccine. I think some people just think we should be locked down now for the rest of our lives

of all people i really thought you would be on our side in this


i mean reopening, getting rid of all measures at a point when you still got many many daily cases (which will only increase now with all this irrelevant socializing)

[AnnieK]

The whole thing with Covid is a gamble. There is never going to be the absolute perfect time to lift restrictions as Covid is never going away and I can why they have done is as schools are closing for the summer. We know cases will continue to rise for a time to come but hopefully the vaccines will continue to keep hospitalisations rising more slowly.

Its certainly a worry, I won't be doing anything reckless but I can understand the younger generations loving being back in clubs. I know if I was still in my 20s I would have been in the queue for a club last night probably.

[Nicky91]

The whole thing with Covid is a gamble. There is never going to be the absolute perfect time to lift restrictions as Covid is never going away and I can why they have done is as schools are closing for the summer. We know cases will continue to rise for a time to come but hopefully the vaccines will continue to keep hospitalisations rising more slowly.

Its certainly a worry, I won't be doing anything reckless but I can understand the younger generations loving being back in clubs. I know if I was still in my 20s I would have been in the queue for a club last night probably.

gambling with people's lives


so much fun, isn't it



:bored: :idc:

[bots]

they are not gambling with peoples lives. In a free society, they are giving people responsibility for their own actions. It's up to every individual how they choose to live their lives

[Nicky91]

they are not gambling with peoples lives. In a free society, they are giving people responsibility for their own actions. It's up to every individual how they choose to live their lives

youth are never ever going to be responsible


and especially these vile nightclub crowds

[Crimson Dynamo]

LBC reported in a 2000 person Nightclub in Newcastle where it was incredibly hot and sweaty the reporter saw 2 or 3 people wearing a mask. THe reporter asked a few folks about Covid and they said "we dont care"

[Nicky91]

LBC reported in a 2000 person Nightclub in Newcastle where it was incredibly hot and sweaty the reporter saw 2 or 3 people wearing a mask. THe reporter asked a few folks about Covid and they said "we dont care"

see, there you have it


no responsibility whatsoever

[bots]

see, there you have it


no responsibility whatsoever

not true, they are taking their own responsibility. If they don't care about covid, that is their choice. They no longer need to worry about infecting vulnerable people because they have all been vaccinated and are at minimal risk from covid

[joeysteele]

I've not seen much evidence so far in my life and I'm only 29, where reason, responsibility and common sense go hand in hand with alcohol.

Nobody wants everyone to be locked down for life.
That's a grossly insulting comment.

No one wants people locked down at all I'd doubt..
However with a highly infectious disease with variants created for a plenty too.

Safety should be the norm.

Mask wearing in indoor group settings should be compulsory.
Plus on transport too.

That's not locking people down at all.
That's protecting those more for who the vaccine cannot be given, or are more vulnerable.

If some others don't care about around 250 lives lost over the last few days.
Plus all the loved ones, families, friends, neighbours and workmates then grieving for those lost loved ones.
Well I for one do.

It's a great pity, in my view, those leading the Nation don't as well.

[arista]

Great Points Joey


California, has now returned to Wearing Masks.
Reported by the GMBHD itv reporter in LA.

[bots]

i'm perfectly happy with the government removing restrictions. People are not forced to attend nightclubs, they do it by their own volition. Young people must be allowed to be young, and do what young people do. It's a basic right of human liberty.

If the vulnerable were not vaccinated it would be a different scenario, but they are, so people must now be allowed to live their lives as they choose. That's what being in a free society is all about

[joeysteele]

i'm perfectly happy with the government removing restrictions. People are not forced to attend nightclubs, they do it by their own volition. Young people must be allowed to be young, and do what young people do. It's a basic right of human liberty.

If the vulnerable were not vaccinated it would be a different scenario, but they are, so people must now be allowed to live their lives as they choose. That's what being in a free society is all about

All the vulnerable are NOT vaccinated..
Some people cannot have the vaccinations.
Those with much lower immune strength normally don't get the fullest protection from the vaccine also anyhow.
As Doctors have said across the news this morning even.

Those charging into nightclubs etc, no masks, no precautions, will be back in the shops, transport, work and their communities.

Yet you support the lifting of all restrictions.

God literally help us and those who cannot be vaccinated.

They are the ones to be locked down for the foreseeable future under your and your government's attitude, with, well it's their responsibility now only, not ours or not anyone elses.

Shocking in my view and extremely reckless.

[The Slim Reaper]

they are not gambling with peoples lives. In a free society, they are giving people responsibility for their own actions. It's up to every individual how they choose to live their lives

Why have seatbelt laws?

Surely they should give people responsibility for their own actions?

[bots]

false equivalence

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why have seatbelt laws?

Surely they should give people responsibility for their own actions?

Because there was Overwhelming evidence that wearing them would drastically reduce road crash fatalities

https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/1/6061/593.full.pdf

If you have a link to overwhelming evidence that mask-wearing drastically reduces deaths from Covid lets see it (I dont think there is any but happy to be wrong)

[The Slim Reaper]

false equivalence

Not really. your post was about freedom not results.

Explain the false equivalence.

[bots]

Not really. your post was about freedom not results.

Explain the false equivalence.

no, it's plain for anybody to see

[The Slim Reaper]

no, it's plain for anybody to see

You can't, because you made it about freedom, and in a free society that's all that matters innit...

[joeysteele]

You can't, because you made it about freedom, and in a free society that's all that matters innit...

That's right Slim.

I think it was a good comparison.
In that it should have been done and carried out sooner too.
To PROTECT lives.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's right Slim.

I think it was a good comparison.
In that it should have been done and carried out sooner too.
To PROTECT lives.

It is Not a good comparison

one has overwhelming scientific evidence

one does not

unless you know otherwise??

[The Slim Reaper]

That's right Slim.

I think it was a good comparison.
In that it should have been done and carried out sooner too.
To PROTECT lives.

We got folks cheering on herd immunity and the vulnerable being picked off, but it's obviously abhorrent to say that out loud, so they cage their language into accusing others of wanting perpetual lockdown. It's pretty offensive tbh.

Everyone has access to what the numbers are doing at the moment, so saying this is the right time for freedom is verging on ghoulish.

[bots]

You can't, because you made it about freedom, and in a free society that's all that matters innit...

don't put words in my mouth. It's a common left wing trait to want to dictate what the masses should do and how they should think, so i'm not surprised by your comments

[The Slim Reaper]

don't put words in my mouth. It's a common left wing trait to want to dictate what the masses should do and how they should think, so i'm not surprised by your comments

This is insane. Left/right wing has nothing to do with this discussion, but you've used it as a way to try and ad hominem your way out of it.

[joeysteele]

We got folks cheering on herd immunity and the vulnerable being picked off, but it's obviously abhorrent to say that out loud, so they cage their language into accusing others of wanting perpetual lockdown. It's pretty offensive tbh.

Everyone has access to what the numbers are doing at the moment, so saying this is the right time for freedom is verging on ghoulish.

Your last paragraph is spot on.

A dangerous and reckless government with some equally as uncaring dangerous supporters too.
I'd say that too as to whatever government was responsible for this mess all through on the pandemic.
Plus this recklessness now.

Apart from the one thing they got right, the vaccine rollout.
Which they left to local authorities and the NHS in the main thankfully.

Let's see how they get ALL the boosters out they now admit will be needed from the Autumn

To ensure CONTINUED protection as much as possible.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is insane. Left/right wing has nothing to do with this discussion, but you've used it as a way to try and ad hominem your way out of it.

bit rich when you have put up a totally false equivalence in the first place :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

bit rich when you have put up a totally false equivalence in the first place :laugh:

It's not a false equivalence.

Poster a makes a post about libertarian freedoms and folks wanting forever lockdowns

Poster b questions why we don't apply this to all areas

Posters A and C claim false equivalence.

It's a reading issue for those claiming it's a false equivalence.

[Denver]

There is nothing wrong with it and you can't keep forcing people to stay indoors otherwise we are heading the way of North Korea.

People say we shouldn't open up but when is the right time? Covid is here to say so you want to spend your lives doing nothing? People have a right to live their life how they want.

One thing I dont agree with is how there is a lack of rules, Nightclubs should be open to those who are double jabbed or have a negative result and that should be made the law but Boris has done this for a reason so he can place blame on the youngsters when we hit another spike bit wont mention filling out stadiums and what not.

[smudgie]

Perhaps this is the best time to open up some venues.
I do think if we don’t do it now while people will be outdoors more then we have missed an opportunity.
At the same time, I think the wearing of masks in shops and public transport should be kept.
On a personal level, we will still be very careful who we let visit etc and won’t be mixing in large crowds.

[The Slim Reaper]

There is nothing wrong with it and you can't keep forcing people to stay indoors otherwise we are heading the way of North Korea.

People say we shouldn't open up but when is the right time? Covid is here to say so you want to spend your lives doing nothing? People have a right to live their life how they want.

One thing I dont agree with is how there is a lack of rules, Nightclubs should be open to those who are double jabbed or have a negative result and that should be made the law but Boris has done this for a reason so he can place blame on the youngsters when we hit another spike bit wont mention filling out stadiums and what not.

Seems like the 2nd half of your post disagrees with the first half. Lockdown has been pretty much over for months already. Public spaces are full, shops are open etc. There is no lockdown.

However, I agree that removing all restrictions is stupid, and we're basically experimenting with peoples lives and potential new variants at this point.

[Denver]

Seems like the 2nd half of your post disagrees with the first half. Lockdown has been pretty much over for months already. Public spaces are full, shops are open etc. There is no lockdown.

However, I agree that removing all restrictions is stupid, and we're basically experimenting with peoples lives and potential new variants at this point.

Lookdown wasn't really iver for the young ones, they still couldn't go out and have the time of there lives, there is zero point in restrictions people know if they are high risk and they should be careful but there are people who are zero risk who should be allowed to get on with their lives but young people are not just content with going shopping and stuff like that they want to party away their best years of their lives and dance with freinds and make new freinds or crack on with strangers, it is something we have not done in 16 months

[Denver]

Seems like the 2nd half of your post disagrees with the first half. Lockdown has been pretty much over for months already. Public spaces are full, shops are open etc. There is no lockdown.

However, I agree that removing all restrictions is stupid, and we're basically experimenting with peoples lives and potential new variants at this point.

You also say places should stay closed and restricted but who is paying for all this? The government can't keep extending furlough or giving business bug chunks if money to survive.

Last night was the first time in 16 months that some people have been able to work and im not sure if you know but that is a major deal for some people

[Cherie]

Nightclubs were recommended to introduce negative tests or vaccine certs, they declined, so they have gone from 0 to 90 however that said I am not reliant on nightclub income for survival so it would be easy for me to preach to them what to do, Clubs are open across Europe and some countries do not have the vac level the UK is at, there is no right or wrong here, we have to try to get some semblance of normality back, these businesses have been closed for 16 months and many of the young were partying in their homes anyway

[The Slim Reaper]

Lookdown wasn't really iver for the young ones, they still couldn't go out and have the time of there lives, there is zero point in restrictions people know if they are high risk and they should be careful but there are people who are zero risk who should be allowed to get on with their lives but young people are not just content with going shopping and stuff like that they want to party away their best years of their lives and dance with freinds and make new freinds or crack on with strangers, it is something we have not done in 16 months

No one is zero risk, but it's the experimentation of throwing a load of kids at each other in night clubs to create new variants that is the biggest danger to older people and the vulnerable.

If it was purely down to individual risk, I'd have no issue with a full open up, as the only victims would be themselves, but that's not the case, and especially as we're learning more about long covid.

I guess it comes down to whether we believe the rights of young people and those like myself who are a bit older, trump the rest of society.

[The Slim Reaper]

You also say places should stay closed and restricted but who is paying for all this? The government can't keep extending furlough or giving business bug chunks if money to survive.

Last night was the first time in 16 months that some people have been able to work and im not sure if you know but that is a major deal for some people

I always find it weird when we use money as an argument to avoid doing the right thing. This government will waste infinite money when it comes to test and trace to throw money into serco, or to make sure their donors are getting rich from the pandemic, but expect that money to go to the folks that need it, and suddenly we pretend there isn't any.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's not a false equivalence.

Poster a makes a post about libertarian freedoms and folks wanting forever lockdowns

Poster b questions why we don't apply this to all areas

Posters A and C claim false equivalence.

It's a reading issue for those claiming it's a false equivalence.

then lets see your compelling mask evidence?

[Denver]

All this people complaining didnt complain about having full stadiums and everything

[Cherie]

Just been out petrol station still high proportion of customers wearing masks, Sainsburys have asked people to continue to wear masks so stunned to see they have taken screens down at the self service check out, what harm were they doing :shrug:

[smudgie]

Just been out petrol station still high proportion of customers wearing masks, Sainsburys have asked people to continue to wear masks so stunned to see they have taken screens down at the self service check out, what harm were they doing :shrug:

Tesco are keeping their screens up.
Basically carrying on as before, masks and distancing etc.

[Nicky91]

yeah ok maybe i complained out of worries, but i hope cases won't spiral out of control


if it helps ease your worries, my nation's new cases seems to be levelling off, and also going down, for three days in a row as of today



but good to hear that some at least continue with masks, distancing :love:

[bots]

they had a club owner in leeds on the news, he was really emotional at having his business back after 16 months, and I can understand that.

[Denver]

they had a club owner in leeds on the news, he was really emotional at having his business back after 16 months, and I can understand that.

People don't actually care about the mental aspect of this, thousands and thousands of businesses have been closed for 16 months and owners are hemorrhaging money, this is a massive thing for their mental health and financial aspects.

If people can queue up for hours at Primark then people can go to a nightclub

[user104658]

If people can queue up for hours at Primark then people can go to a nightclub

Both are obvious absolutely gross and immoral but yes I see your point.

[Cherie]

People don't actually care about the mental aspect of this, thousands and thousands of businesses have been closed for 16 months and owners are hemorrhaging money, this is a massive thing for their mental health and financial aspects.

If people can queue up for hours at Primark then people can go to a nightclub

what? how are those two even comparable, have they started selling alcohol in Primark and since when did Primark create an atmosphere where you are shouting at your companions in order to be heard and releasing inhibitions :laugh:

[Marsh.]

I always find it weird when we use money as an argument to avoid doing the right thing. This government will waste infinite money when it comes to test and trace to throw money into serco, or to make sure their donors are getting rich from the pandemic, but expect that money to go to the folks that need it, and suddenly we pretend there isn't any.

Spot on.

[The Slim Reaper]

People don't actually care about the mental aspect of this, thousands and thousands of businesses have been closed for 16 months and owners are hemorrhaging money, this is a massive thing for their mental health and financial aspects.

If people can queue up for hours at Primark then people can go to a nightclub

That's not true. Around 150k of us have died from the virus alone. We're not a million miles away from achieving vaccinated herd immunity, so the decision to just fcuk it now, is basically an experiment of evolution using the most vulnerable as guinea pigs, and it's the "I'll be alright so screw everyone else" posse that is displaying true selfishness.

The decision to not help those businesses and the citizens financially, is a choice, but the fact that we're opening everything up whilst already suffering the worst numbers in the world, is true myopic selfishness.

[Tom4784]

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[Denver]

That's not true. Around 150k of us have died from the virus alone. We're not a million miles away from achieving vaccinated herd immunity, so the decision to just fcuk it now, is basically an experiment of evolution using the most vulnerable as guinea pigs, and it's the "I'll be alright so screw everyone else" posse that is displaying true selfishness.

The decision to not help those businesses and the citizens financially, is a choice, but the fact that we're opening everything up whilst already suffering the worst numbers in the world, is true myopic selfishness.

All the people at most risk have been vaccinated and most people under 30 have had at least one vaccination.

Let's just also clear up that vaccination are not there to stop Covid it is there to stop hospitalisation and server threats from Covid

[The Slim Reaper]

All the people at most risk have been vaccinated and most people under 30 have had at least one vaccination.

Let's just also clear up that vaccination are not there to stop Covid it is there to stop hospitalisation and server threats from Covid

We still have no idea about long covid, though. Chris Witty himself, said that the new rules could make hospital admission numbers "scary," as they are currently doubling every 3 weeks before today.

We have no idea how the virus will mutate and reproduce, but we're giving it the best possible opportunity to get much worse.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-england-unlocking-is-unethical-say-1200-scientists/#ixzz714k7vA4i

Covid-19 news: England unlocking is ‘unethical’, say 1200 scientists

[user104658]

Really it's just a long-delayed version of what Boris wanted to do back in Spring 2020. Hardly a shock.

[michael21]

GMBHD itv

Showed a Boss of a Nottingham nightclub
he said Free masks for any that wanted them?

But he just wanted the Money to come in
and keep his club alive

Never mind about Fast Covid spreading

I don't like to agree with you but you are right on this occasion :bawling::bawling::bawling:

[The Slim Reaper]

Really it's just a long-delayed version of what Boris wanted to do back in Spring 2020. Hardly a shock.

I don't disagree, but having it suggested that we want to ruin peoples financial situations and mental health because we disagree with Boris and Sajid, and agree with the scientists, is pretty weird.

[user104658]

I don't disagree, but having it suggested that we want to ruin peoples financial situations and mental health because we disagree with Boris and Sajid, and agree with the scientists, is pretty weird.

I also agree that the financial reasonings aren't particularly sound - the government could be helping out business owners to a much larger extent than they are. Mental health is a bit of a trickier question... the situation is a mess but I don't know that there is a "right" answer there. None of the options are good ones.

[The Slim Reaper]

I also agree that the financial reasonings aren't particularly sound - the government could be helping out business owners to a much larger extent than they are. Mental health is a bit of a trickier question... the situation is a mess but I don't know that there is a "right" answer there. None of the options are good ones.

Absolutely, but mental health can be a long and complicated road back to a feeling of normality, not solved because they can throw some shapes to dance hits of the 90's, sardined into a human petri dish.

I'd imagine the MH side of covid has been eased as restrictions have been lifted, but can just as quickly be set backwards if the death numbers start rising, and we start going back into full lockdowns.

[user104658]

Absolutely, but mental health can be a long and complicated road back to a feeling of normality, not solved because they can throw some shapes to dance hits of the 90's, sardined into a human petri dish.

I'd imagine the MH side of covid has been eased as restrictions have been lifted, but can just as quickly be set backwards if the death numbers start rising, and we start going back into full lockdowns.

Well yes and the promises of "never going back" being inevitably snatched away will make things worse rather than better. They have to give people hope, but it has to be realistic expectations that aren't going to be offered then snatched back. A surefire way of making people feel hopeless.

Christmas for example was a catastrophe; people making plans, getting excited, then having to cancel them at the last minute.

[bots]

If you can't defend your point, then you don't have one.

nonsense

[Ammi]

I don't disagree, but having it suggested that we want to ruin peoples financial situations and mental health because we disagree with Boris and Sajid, and agree with the scientists, is pretty weird.

….I think it’s also pretty wrong because many of those who have genuine concerns now based on medical concerns, have worked and put themselves at risk thorough this, they absolutely know the mental strain…it can’t really be seen anything other than an experimental type thing, if we don’t do it now then when will we…?…surely when the medical minds are more confident than they are now…?…

[Cherie]

By September it will be mandatory to be vaccinated to enter Clubs

[Strictly Jake]

Well yes and the promises of "never going back" being inevitably snatched away will make things worse rather than better. They have to give people hope, but it has to be realistic expectations that aren't going to be offered then snatched back. A surefire way of making people feel hopeless.

Christmas for example was a catastrophe; people making plans, getting excited, then having to cancel them at the last minute.

That was horrendous

[Beso]

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=376818

[Tom4784]

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