2 years of BORIS as PM - how do you feel its going?

[Crimson Dynamo]

today is Boris's 2 year anniversary 🥂🥂

How do you feel he has got on as he seems as popular as ever!

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[arista]

Better than Corbyn.

[Kate!]

Far worse than Corbyn more like.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

He’s doing amazing if his goal was to be a lying ****head **** who ****s over the uk and help spread Covid ��

[joeysteele]

As I expected from someone who should in my view have never been an MP never mind Prime Minister.

Shockingly bad, full of deceit and lies.
Lip service compassion and lip service to most serious issues.

The only real thing I personally can say about Johnson is he's a master of little else other than political deceit and politically lying.

He maybe not under the views of around two thirds of current heartless hardline Con voters.
However I think history will record him as the worst ever choice of a Prime Minister.
Who actually descredited far more than any other before him,the office of Prime Minister.

To put it simply, in my view he can't be trusted in anything he says.
Nor can you ever really know what this inept PM is even really thinking let alone likely to do.

Not a scrap of integrity about him I say.

[GoldHeart]

Better than Corbyn.

Why is Corbyn's name being dragged into this, it's funny that people still refuse to see the awful mess Boris is making of this country.

Corbyn would have done a million times better, but instead we're stuck with a village idiot clown.

[joeysteele]

Why is Corbyn's name being dragged into this, it's funny that people still refuse to see the awful mess Boris is making of this country.

Corbyn would have done a million times better, but instead we're stuck with a village idiot clown.

Well GoldHeart, not surprisingly I agree with you again.

He may well act out the village idiot village clown.
However he's a very dangerous and untrustworthy one at that.

[joeysteele]

Better than Corbyn.

You can't really say that as fact in fairness, as Corbyn never got to be Prime Minister.

However in my view on compassion alone which would be genuine, Corbyn would have beaten him hands down.

[Black Dagger]

If it wasn't so pissing tragic it'd be funny.

[Cherie]

****e

[_Seth]

Example-worthy poor leadership.

[Oliver_W]

While I hesitate to be fair to BoJo, most of his premiership has been taken up with Covid, so we don't know how he'd have fared in normal times.

However, I've not been impressed with his handling of the pandemic.

[thesheriff443]

He is fcuking useless but there is no one in his own party or the opposition parties any more worthy of the job.

[thesheriff443]

You can't really say that as fact in fairness, as Corbyn never got to be Prime Minister.

However in my view on compassion alone which would be genuine, Corbyn would have beaten him hands down.

His own party couldn’t stand him and he was as mentally challenged as his brother

For an example he wouldn’t condem the terrorists in the Ira and was friends with the top men in the ita when they killed women and children and you think he would be a good leader of this country

[Crimson Dynamo]

i think "better than Corbyn" is about as good as one could go

[Beso]

I like the fact he has never dictated to the population during the pandemic and trusted us to make our own decisions.

[user104658]

He has plenty of support but the vast majority of that support is rooted in those people thinking “he’s sooo funny”.

And that should say it all really.

[bots]

I think Carrie has done an ok job, Boris not so much

[joeysteele]

His own party couldn’t stand him and he was as mentally challenged as his brother

For an example he wouldn’t condem the terrorists in the Ira and was friends with the top men in the ita when they killed women and children and you think he would be a good leader of this country

Actually I gave you more credit for at least reading people's posts.

However nowhere did I say Corbyn would have been a good leader of the Country.
I wouldn't know unless he had been elected.

I said as to genuine compassion,he would beat this creep of a PM hands down.

Corbyn was never my choice for Labour leader either.
However he CANNOT be compared as a PM to Johnson as no one knows how he would have acted if elected to power.

We can judge Johnson and all I see from him is actually more of abuse of power from becoming PM.

You may possibly admire that, I don't.

[The Slim Reaper]

Just to point out that labour was the richest party under corbyn because of donations, and now they're sacking everyone because they have no money under starmer, for the "his party couldn't stand him" intellectuals. It was the right wing of his party that not only couldn't stand him but actively worked against him to elect Tories.

His disastrous showing in 19 was still a 10% increase in vote share from Brown and Miliband. Just pointing some facts out...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Actually I gave you more credit for at least reading people's posts.

However nowhere did I say Corbyn would have been a good leader of the Country.
I wouldn't know unless he had been elected.

I said as to genuine compassion,he would beat this creep of a PM hands down.

Corbyn was never my choice for Labour leader either.
However he CANNOT be compared as a PM to Johnson as no one knows how he would have acted if elected to power.

We can judge Johnson and all I see from him is actually more of abuse of power from becoming PM.

You may possibly admire that, I don't.

what pm do you think has been a good pm?

[The Slim Reaper]

Corbyn was constantly praising the efforts of Jacinda Ardern, so if you want to know how Corbyn would have tried to manage the pandemic, looking at their policies is the closest to an accurate guess.

[Livia]

He has plenty of support but the vast majority of that support is rooted in those people thinking “he’s sooo funny”.

And that should say it all really.

TS privy to the innermost workings of the mind of the "vast majority" of people who support Boris.

[joeysteele]

what pm do you think has been a good pm?

In my own lifetime.
Thinking overall on them.

John Major, I don't think he got a fair crack of the whip.
Especially from his own party.

Equally so, Gordon Brown, I feel he may have used the massive overall majorities given to Blair better.

Actually I don't really seem to like any who get elected party leaders or get to PM.

From the past, good PMs for me would be Attlee and Wilson for Labour.
McMillan and Heath for the Cons.

There's qualities of strength I would have admired in Thatcher although I think in the end she went too far.

Pre 2nd World war, it was mainly only the Cons who won and I'd say those PMs did their best.
Post war with a differing choice of Cons to the right and Labour more to the left.

Then real choices emerged.

There's really none I could say would be good PMs who didn't get elected to be.
Because I can only fairly judge those who have had the office of PM.

With one exception, I would have liked to have seen what Labour's John Smith would have done as PM, had his life not been cut short before he was.

If I had to however only choose one PM for making real effective change as PM.
Then it would be Attlee.
For the NHS and then social reforms he achieved during his 6 years as Prime Minister.
Someone who changed things really for the better in my view.

I have to end with however, no previous PM in my view, was lacking so much as to integrity as this current holder ( sadly), of the office.

[user104658]

TS privy to the innermost workings of the mind of the "vast majority" of people who support Boris.

I shall rephrase just for you, Livia:

The vast majority of the support I see being expressed for Boris is "lol he's sooo funny".

If people have other/better reasons for supporting him then they're not sharing them much... and who am I to assume that the reasons they're expressing aren't the real reasons? After all, I'm not a mind reader...

[Livia]

I shall rephrase just for you, Livia:

The vast majority of the support I see being expressed for Boris is "lol he's sooo funny".

If people have other/better reasons for supporting him then they're not sharing them much... and who am I to assume that the reasons they're expressing aren't the real reasons? After all, I'm not a mind reader...

No, you should be clearer in the first place instead of pretending you know what other people are thinking and doing.

Tories aren't loud. They do their talking at the ballot box, generally.

[arista]

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[Withano]

In a literal sense, ****ing abysmally.

In the context of the ageing population, Daily Mails success, and the ratio of idiots… not too bad.

[MTVN]

Made a lot of mistakes but has had to navigate two of the biggest peacetime challenges in modern history in Brexit and Covid. Think he's done pretty well with the former, worse with the latter but if the current unlocking is successful that will help his case

Too early to say what his legacy will be

[GoldHeart]

Well GoldHeart, not surprisingly I agree with you again.

He may well act out the village idiot village clown.
However he's a very dangerous and untrustworthy one at that.

Yeah exactly, people seem more bothered about a certain celebrity couple than the damage the government can and IS doing.

Like you said ,he should NEVER have been an MP let alone PM of this country. It really is disturbing how some still trust him and see him as some harmless "funny bumbling figure" , when he'd sell his own grandmother down the river :facepalm:.

My biggest worries are Covid, Brexit and of course the NHS . Boris will continue to lie ,and the bleak future looks like a permanent Tory leadership. Labour doesn't have a chance.

The fact that Corbyn's name is still getting dragged through the mud despite everything Boris is doing , speaks volumes :bored:.

[rusticgal]

Made a lot of mistakes but has had to navigate two of the biggest peacetime challenges in modern history in Brexit and Covid. Think he's done pretty well with the former, worse with the latter but if the current unlocking is successful that will help his case

Too early to say what his legacy will be


I pretty much agree with that...

I seriously believe no one would have wanted to lead the country through Covid...

[Tom4784]

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[Beso]

He can only be judged on covid, and his plan of herd immunity will be judged after this summer.


I trust our vaccines, and I trust our strength to overcome this virus by using vaccine and common sense..

If you have neither, then you refused to listen to boris.

[Marsh.]

Better than Corbyn.

The fact your only complimentary comment about his time so far is comparing him to something that never happened literally says everything.

[Beso]

Nah, you just need to get better at reading comprehension.

Actually livia is right..

Tories voters are in the main very quiet.

Because they just want to make the best of their life without making a fuss.

Tbh honest, I would imagine what most folk want is a house with a garden, and for the quiet voter, the only party that will strive to offer them that opportunity is the tory party.

Build outwards with housing, not upwards. Which is what's happening now.

[Marsh.]

Actually livia is right..

Tories voters are in the main very quiet.

So TS' opinion of what he sees is "mind reading" but Livia and Parm can speak generally on behalf of Tories and it's just a regular old opinion? :joker:

[Beso]

So TS' opinion of what he sees is "mind reading" but Livia and Parm can speak generally on behalf of Tories and it's just a regular old opinion? :joker:

Obvs we cant now you have spoken about it.


But what's with the comparing members thing?

We all post as individuals.:shrug:

[Scarlett.]

He somehow made Theresa May look half decent

[Marsh.]

Obvs we cant now you have spoken about it.


But what's with the comparing members thing?

We all post as individuals.:shrug:

It's all in the conversation you contributed to, Parm.

[Beso]

So TS' opinion of what he sees is "mind reading" but Livia and Parm can speak generally on behalf of Tories and it's just a regular old opinion? :joker:



You need to quote the person who said someone shouldnt...if they did say that, that is....

Quote them,Not me..

[Marsh.]

You need to quote the person who said someone shouldnt...if they did say that, that is....

Not me..

Livia did. Followed by you saying "Livia's right".

[Beso]

Livia did. Followed by you saying "Livia's right".

Yes..because she was.:shrug:

Now I think you are wrong:shrug:

Does that make us a team?

[Marsh.]

Yes..because she was.:shrug:

Now I think you are wrong:shrug:

Does that make us a team?

You clearly don't understand the conversation you joined Parm.

[Beso]

You clearly don't understand the conversation you joined Parm.

I joined at post number 16 when we were talking about the thread subject..you joined at 36 or thereabouts, talking about corbyn.


As usual, you then butted in on dezzys behalf and derailed the thread...post number 37 or thereabouts.

[Marsh.]

I joined at post number 16 when we were talking about the thread subject..you joined at 36 or thereabouts, talking about corbyn.


As usual, you then butted in on dezzys behalf and derailed the thread...post number 37 or thereabouts.

Here we go again... Parm joins in to agree with Livia and he's talking about the thread topic, Marsh joins in to agree with Dezzy and it's "butting in on his behalf" and "derailing the thread".

Do you see it yet?

[Beso]

No marsh..

I was already in the thread in post 16, so kept an interest in it..

I read all posts after my post 16, and found livia to be closest to what I was thinking after reading the thread, dezzy disagreed, he was the first to disagree..so I was then first to disagree with his opinion of the opinion I thought was correct.

I didnt quote him, for the sake of everyone's eyes..


But you have, and this is all you have..


You have simply jumped in to derail a conversation hoping to drag people down with you.


I do believe that within 3 posts of you coming back from a paultry one days ban, I believe you have mentioned someones alcohol intake as though it's a given joke

[Marsh.]

No marsh..

I was already in the thread in post 16, so kept an interest in it..

I read all posts after my post 16, and found livia to be closest to what I was thinking after reading the thread, dezzy disagreed, he was the first to disagree..so I was then first to disagree with his opinion of the opinion I thought was correct.

I didnt quote him, for the sake of everyone's eyes..


But you have, and this is all you have..


You have simply jumped in to derail a conversation hoping to drag people down with you.


I do believe that within 3 posts of you coming back from a paultry one days ban, I believe you have mentioned someones alcohol intake as though it's a given joke

When in doubt, take it off topic.

[Beso]

When in doubt, take it off topic.

I will leave you to your attention seeking *****nish.

[GoldHeart]

He somehow made Theresa May look half decent

And my god that was a challenge as she was crap aswell.

[arista]

He somehow made Theresa May look half decent


No
I will Not have that at all/



She was Anal
and Failed to get Control of the Party.


Wasted 2 years on my Brexit



T.May a disaster

[arista]

He has plenty of support but the vast majority of that support is rooted in those people thinking “he’s sooo funny”.

And that should say it all really.


Check the Start
of Dead Ringers Episope 6

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000xv8l


Boris Johnson Song.

[Tom4784]

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[joeysteele]

He somehow made Theresa May look half decent

He actually has indeed.
At least she has never been found by the 2 highest courts in the land to have acted unlawfully while holding power.

[user104658]

No, you should be clearer in the first place instead of pretending you know what other people are thinking and doing.

Tories aren't loud. They do their talking at the ballot box, generally.


But that applies to literally everyone, there’s a vocal minority and most keep their cards close to their chest. I’d still say the same… I can only base my perception of why people like Boris on the reasons that people actually express for liking Boris - which is that they find him affable/funny. I can’t simply assume that the people who aren’t vocalising their reasons for liking him secretly have other reasons.

Also… the question is about Boris not the Tories and while I’m sure there’s significant overlap it’s not the same question: in the UK people vote for the party, not the leader (supposedly) and I would think that there are probably plenty of people who generally like Boris but don’t vote Tory… and likewise plenty of Tory voters who aren’t particularly keen on Boris.

[GoldHeart]

He actually has indeed.
At least she has never been found by the 2 highest courts in the land to have acted unlawfully while holding power.

It's like the Bush & Trump comparisons.

Bush & May were still useless ,but Trump & Boris make them almost look competent.

This is what it's come to with the government, Boris is one of the WORST we've ever had.

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[user104658]

She's probably the one tory I have some sympathy for, she was set up from the beginning, her own party sabotaged her every step of the way in order to make way for Boris to ride in on a white horse. She was a seat warmer and she got treated horribly.

She wasn't a great PM, and she's a tory so that's another mark against her, but I do think she was set up to fail and bear a lot of undue hate so that Boris would look better.

To be fair though - they ALL KNEW in advance that whoever took up the role when Cameron hmm hmmmm'd his way out the back door was going to be temporary, was going to absorb a lot of flak, and was essentially just acting as a "cushion" for whoever came next. There's a reason that Boris and all of the other senior Tories didn't step up at the time. May likely knew exactly what she was getting into but saw it as her only opportunity to take the top job... even if it was only ever going to be temporary.

To be fair I think she did the best she could with what she had - which unfortunately was not a lot, with not a lot.

[GoldHeart]

She's probably the one tory I have some sympathy for, she was set up from the beginning, her own party sabotaged her every step of the way in order to make way for Boris to ride in on a white horse. She was a seat warmer and she got treated horribly.

She wasn't a great PM, and she's a tory so that's another mark against her, but I do think she was set up to fail and bear a lot of undue hate so that Boris would look better.

Yeah I understand she was the 'fall guy' so to speak,hence me saying Boris almost made her look competent. As for feeling sorry for her I can't say I have the same feeling as such.

The windrush scandal was one of her worst moments. The sheer ignorance and mistreatment was wrong on so many levels.
Her attitude in alot of things was really nonchalant and lacked alot of genuine compassion , Grenfell is another prime example of that.