Hungary’s Viktor Orbán will hold 2022 Referendum on anti-LGBT law

[arista]

He wants to Stop the EU nations picking on him.


[Hungary to hold referendum on LGBT issues by early 2022]


So now Vote on the Gays
on a Referendum

This was debated last night
on BBC2HD Newsight


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/21/hungarys-viktor-orban-will-hold-referendum-on-anti-lbgt-law


https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/21/europe/hungary-lgbt-rights-referendum-intl/index.html


[Orban appeared ready to raise the stakes.
"The future of our children is at stake,
so we cannot cede ground in this issue,"
he said in a Facebook video.
"In the past weeks, Brussels has clearly
attacked Hungary over its child protection law.
Hungarian laws do not permit
sexual propaganda in kindergartens,
schools, on television and in advertisements."]

https://www.reuters.com/world/hungarys-pm-call-referendum-child-protection-issues-2021-07-21/


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-57930087



Sign Of The Times.

[Nicky91]

:facepalm:

oh Orban, to imagine you cannot sink any deeper

[arista]

:facepalm:

oh Orban, to imagine you cannot sink any deeper



This is clever if
he wins the Vote
The EU can shut up.

[Nicky91]

This is clever if
he wins the Vote
The EU can shut up.

''if he wins the vote''


then the world is ******


if anti-lgbt trash wins :yuk:

[Smithy]

Nothing like having your existence voted on

[bots]

it doesn't matter if there is a ref or not. The country is violating the EU rules of membership and should be thrown out

[arista]

It doesn't matter if there is a ref or not. The country is violating the EU rules of membership and should be thrown out



But they do Nothing?

[Mystic Mock]

I'm sorry but even if the majority vote for the anti option, the LGBT community is still gonna exist in the country, I mean what's he gonna do kill them?

Imo it's a complete waste of a referendum that could be done on something more important.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I guess keeping sex from childhood is an issue I that country so it's up to the people. At least they have a voice

[arista]

I'm sorry but even if the majority vote for the anti option, the LGBT community is still gonna exist in the country, I mean what's he gonna do kill them?

Imo it's a complete waste of a referendum that could be done on something more important.


No
that Referendum will give him the Power he needs.

[Nicky91]

I'm sorry but even if the majority vote for the anti option, the LGBT community is still gonna exist in the country, I mean what's he gonna do kill them?

Imo it's a complete waste of a referendum that could be done on something more important.

don't give the vile dictator any ideas pls :idc:

[Tom4784]

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[Oliver_W]

“LGBTQ activists visit kindergartens and schools and conduct sexual education classes. They want to do this here in Hungary as well,” said Orbán in a Facebook video statement placed on Wednesday.

To be fair, the creepy drag queens holding "story time" to kindergarteners and that weird Queer Kid Stuff thing from a few years ago on YouTube doesn't exactly paint the best picture.

Things like that are gross but obviously the minority, and don't excuse banning all LGBT from educational materials.

[Beso]

Its just an extension to a law made in 2008.


https://www.euronews.com/2021/06/17/only-parents-should-decide-sexual-education-of-their-children-view

[Beso]

Dont care what anyone says..infant school is not the place for drag queens.

[Ammi]

…Was that the public library who hired the guy in the monkey costume…?…I don’t know if it’s that same one but that wasn’t a drag queen, they were actors or something and it was some kind of WWF theme and the costume was very child inappropriate but it wasn’t drag if that is the one…


…the drag queen story time/story hours have been going and growing for quite a few years now, I think….they’re very successful so far as I know…

…this is very discriminatory at best and very damaging at worst and such a regression…those poor LGBT children who feel this referendum is aimed at them or a friend etc and feeling fear for being who they are….

[Captain.Remy]

I would love for Nina West to read books to my child. She does stuff for Nickelodeon, Disney and released a children's music album. :shrug: That's the kind of stuff she does and it's brilliant. You wouldn't think of sending Bianca Del Rio in schools to read to children (though I would 100% be here for it)

So can we not generalize Drag Queens being bollocks-showing people in front of children. That's not a cute look.

[Nicky91]

imagine there being people who defend disgusting dictators like Orban



among the scum of failed world leaders

- Viktor Orban

- Jair Bolsonaro

- Recep Erdogan

- Donald Trump

[Mystic Mock]

don't give the vile dictator any ideas pls :idc:

Thankfully I think that he won't do that.

[Beso]

I would love for Nina West to read books to my child. She does stuff for Nickelodeon, Disney and released a children's music album. :shrug: That's the kind of stuff she does and it's brilliant. You wouldn't think of sending Bianca Del Rio in schools to read to children (though I would 100% be here for it)

So can we not generalize Drag Queens being bollocks-showing people in front of children. That's not a cute look.

Well its fantastic that you would love that captain Remy, but not everyone feels the same as you, and everyone who has a child at a school that promotes drag to infants should have an equal say and an equal decision on what each individual child is forced to watch or listen to..bollocks taped away or not..

It's a choice for parents to make, not for schools.

[Tom4784]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Wildly successful?
Perhaps the thread can have evidence. Please??

[Captain.Remy]

Well its fantastic that you would love that captain Remy, but not everyone feels the same as you, and everyone who has a child at a school that promotes drag to infants should have an equal say and an equal decision on what each individual child is forced to watch or listen to..bollocks taped away or not..

It's a choice for parents to make, not for schools.

The problem here is that why would any parent want their children to not become open-minded individuals living in an inclusive and diverse world.

School is the perfect place for it because that's where you're supposed to meet people from different walks of life, skin color, sexual orientations etc
This suicide rate for LGBT+ people is higher than for their straight counterparts and that's telling a lot. They're more at risk of having depressive moods also.
Drag isn't the issue here, but not talking about LGBT+ people, relationships, how to handle what these kids are and feel is the issue.

We need to show these young people that it's OK to be who they are, what they feel and that anything is possible to them through discussions, TV shows, books etc. It also helps with the people bullying them because had they knew about this, they possibly would not have bullied these young people for who they are.

See, in the local shelter for LGBT+ people I work at every Thursday, I have hosted some workshops between queer people and their past high school bullies. Most of these homophobic bullies were told by their parents AT HOME that God hates gay people, that what their classmates are is wrong or didn't talk about them at all. These previous bullies now completely regret their lack of awareness on the topic and their horrible actions towards their victims at school. It was heartbreaking because it tells a lot about visibility and education. (and turns out, a lot of these people are now gay like a lot of homophobics are)

I'm glad if you are open to talking to your kids about LGBT+ people and not make them feel like it's wrong. But it's not the case for everybody and that calls for higher representation and visibility to not see kids thrown out of their homes, trying to kill themselves, ending up homeless or have mental issues growing up. Or even see full grown-adults frustrasted that they can't live their true selves due to their upbringing.

And to be fair, Vikor Orban can try to ban LGBT+ visibility from younger people in fear that they "become gay", but in reality if your kid wants to suck dick or lick pussy then it's not a nice Drag Queen that will read a book every one in a while that will stop them.

Funny thing is (or tragic) is that nobody ever said promoting straight relationships to younger people is a problem. So what goes for one should go for the other. :shrug:

[Captain.Remy]

Wildly successful?
Perhaps the thread can have evidence. Please??

A few articles that discuss this.
https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/6/26/15845792/rupauls-drag-race-season-9-teen-fanbase
https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/is-it-ok-for-your-kids-to-watch-or-take-part-in-drag-performances

Also, the increasing number of children/teenagers at Drag shows, Dragcon, the community and fandom online etc RuPaul even proposed a children's version of "Drag Race".

The amount of younger people loving this is insane :love:

But anyway, we're talking more about Drag here rather than the issue itself because Drag is just a part of what Orban is targeting.

[Ammi]

…just to add to what you’ve said, Remy….it isn’t just about the children themselves and their sexuality…it’s also important to discuss ‘rainbow families’ with children because they might be part of one themselves in having ‘two dads’ or ‘two mums’ etc and it’s important that they feel an equal part of society in their family and not that they’re in some way ‘wrong’ ….

[thesheriff443]

What happened to the teacher reading the book?
What age are these children
Can we not let kids be kids before we fry their developing brains

[Crimson Dynamo]

…just to add to what you’ve said, Remy….it isn’t just about the children themselves and their sexuality…it’s also important to discuss ‘rainbow families’ with children because they might be part of one themselves in having ‘two dads’ or ‘two mums’ etc and it’s important that they feel an equal part of society in their family and not that they’re in some way ‘wrong’ ….

but teach them that in 99% of times they wont.

[Captain.Remy]

but teach them that in 99% of times they wont.

Indeed, there's a lot of stigma around "rainbow" families and kids from these families don't feel equal, and it can only be resolved by talking to them about it.
Putting it under cover and act as if it's not a thing makes it even worse for all parties.

[Oliver_W]

Books like Heather Has Two Mommies and Molly's Family are a better approach than vomiting rainbows everywhere tbh

[Crimson Dynamo]

as long as kids are in the bloody school and not at home self-isolating!

[Captain.Remy]

Books like Heather Has Two Mommies and Molly's Family are a better approach than vomiting rainbows everywhere tbh

Sure, both books that are probably already banned by Orban as he doesn't want any kind of "propaganda" to kids. Great idea.

He already banned hundreds of books that differ from the "Straight" point of view. Talk about erasure. So at this point we'll talk the rainbows since this is all there is left.

[Livia]

If I was thinking of someone to read a story to children a drag queen wouldn't even enter my head. Why drag queens anyway? Where's the connect?

[Captain.Remy]

Because they're fun.

[Livia]

Because they're fun.

For grown ups, perhaps.

[Beso]

Just be sure never to go to a pantomine, Parm, we don't want you going all Helen Lovejoy over Widow Twankey.

A panto is for fun, and the children will be there with their parents, they wont be being taught by strangers without their parents being in attendance.

Your point is a mute one.

[Beso]

The problem here is that why would any parent want their children to not become open-minded individuals living in an inclusive and diverse world.

School is the perfect place for it because that's where you're supposed to meet people from different walks of life, skin color, sexual orientations etc
This suicide rate for LGBT+ people is higher than for their straight counterparts and that's telling a lot. They're more at risk of having depressive moods also.
Drag isn't the issue here, but not talking about LGBT+ people, relationships, how to handle what these kids are and feel is the issue.

We need to show these young people that it's OK to be who they are, what they feel and that anything is possible to them through discussions, TV shows, books etc. It also helps with the people bullying them because had they knew about this, they possibly would not have bullied these young people for who they are.

See, in the local shelter for LGBT+ people I work at every Thursday, I have hosted some workshops between queer people and their past high school bullies. Most of these homophobic bullies were told by their parents AT HOME that God hates gay people, that what their classmates are is wrong or didn't talk about them at all. These previous bullies now completely regret their lack of awareness on the topic and their horrible actions towards their victims at school. It was heartbreaking because it tells a lot about visibility and education. (and turns out, a lot of these people are now gay like a lot of homophobics are)

I'm glad if you are open to talking to your kids about LGBT+ people and not make them feel like it's wrong. But it's not the case for everybody and that calls for higher representation and visibility to not see kids thrown out of their homes, trying to kill themselves, ending up homeless or have mental issues growing up. Or even see full grown-adults frustrasted that they can't live their true selves due to their upbringing.

And to be fair, Vikor Orban can try to ban LGBT+ visibility from younger people in fear that they "become gay", but in reality if your kid wants to suck dick or lick pussy then it's not a nice Drag Queen that will read a book every one in a while that will stop them.

Funny thing is (or tragic) is that nobody ever said promoting straight relationships to younger people is a problem. So what goes for one should go for the other. :shrug:



The facts are, Hungary does not teach sex education becaus it doesnt want to sexualise their children to early..the LGBTQ thing is just an extension of that.

[Captain.Remy]

For grown ups, perhaps.

As stated in previous posts, it's very popular amongst children and teenagers. And some of them only do stuff for children. It's not just nasty humor.

[Niamh.]

As stated in previous posts, it's very popular amongst children and teenagers. And some of them only do stuff for children. It's not just nasty humor.

I think the most important thing is that anyone working with or being involved with children should be properly vetted regardless of who they are. It seems to have all gotten a bit lax around child safe guarding for fear of causing offense

[Captain.Remy]

I think the most important thing is that anyone working with or being involved with children should be properly vetted regardless of who they are. It seems to have all gotten a bit lax around child safe guarding for fear of causing offense

And nobody said otherwise. Not sure why the debate was centered around Drag Queens as if they were paedophiles or whatever. They're entertainers.
And again, the parents bringing their children to Drag shows or watching Drag Race know what they're bringing them to. And as we said before, doing stuff for children is a specific field in the Drag industry.

[Captain.Remy]

The facts are, Hungary does not teach sex education becaus it doesnt want to sexualise their children to early..the LGBTQ thing is just an extension of that.

Well it was a dumb idea in the first place and that "extension" is now specifically tailored towards LGBTQ people. Let's not act any different because we all know Orban's views. Again, it targets specifically what they call "homosexual propaganda" in the name of "not sexualising children" yet he has no issue promoting "straight" relationships. It should be the same treatment for all.
It tells a lot that institutions, people of power, celebrities, protesters, NGOs are firmly against it. It's not "just an extension" or how they're justifying this.

[Oliver_W]

Sure, both books that are probably already banned by Orban as he doesn't want any kind of "propaganda" to kids. Great idea.

He already banned hundreds of books that differ from the "Straight" point of view. Talk about erasure. So at this point we'll talk the rainbows since this is all there is left.
If the American trend of wearing everything on one's sleeve and screaming about how "queer" everyone is wasn't so garish and off-putting, the decent books would probably have flown under his radar.

There has been some discourse online about open portrayals of "kink" at supposedly family-friendly Pride events, which is also gross.

[Oliver_W]

And nobody said otherwise. Not sure why the debate was centered around Drag Queens as if they were paedophiles or whatever. They're entertainers.
It doesn't help that an American school board wanted there to be some leeway when it comes to allowing sex offenders do it.
https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article234193237.html

And that a library didn't even bother carrying out checks until a convicted child molester had already read in their venue several times.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/drag-queen-library-convicted/

[Niamh.]

And nobody said otherwise. Not sure why the debate was centered around Drag Queens as if they were paedophiles or whatever. They're entertainers.
And again, the parents bringing their children to Drag shows or watching Drag Race know what they're bringing them to. And as we said before, doing stuff for children is a specific field in the Drag industry.

I didn't say you said that :p

[Ammi]

…Hungary also blocked the domestic violence treaty which is aimed at helping to prevent against violence toward their females…including marital rape and female genital mutilation….now it’s basically looking to not protect their LGBT children as well as their females….it’s just so sad to see the progression that’s been striven for, for so long and celebrated to now be in a regression stage….

[Nicky91]

…Hungary also blocked the domestic violence treaty which is aimed at helping to prevent against violence toward their females…including marital rape and female genital mutilation….now it’s basically looking to not protect their LGBT children as well as their females….it’s just so sad to see the progression that’s been striven for, for so long and celebrated to now be in a regression stage….

was there ever progression in that hellhole of a country LOL

:umm2:

[Tom4784]

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[Ammi]

…it isn’t just in schools and it isn’t about who reads a story….the intent is to make any public information unavailable…and even looking into restrictions of internet search etc…so restricting any LGBT related freedoms of information…


Hungary fines bookshop chain over picture book depicting LGBT families…


https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jul/08/hungary-fines-bookshop-chain-over-picture-book-depicting-lgbt-families


…I just don’t understand how things like racist content/language in books can be defended as being ‘part of the time it was written’…when rainbow families are part of what children are living in society now and yet the wish to ban by some….children see this, they see the make up of different families so they need to understand the ways in which a family is made up…they need to feel that they can talk about and discuss and that it’s not a ‘taboo’ thing….a perfect opening for any discussions is given with books….

[Beso]

https://fb.watch/754mYIuI-5/


Nobody can disagree that this is how it should be

[Beso]

What happened to the teacher reading the book?
What age are these children
Can we not let kids be kids before we fry their developing brains

Kids must be under 8 or 9 if its storytime.

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hungary has been attacked on an unprecedented scale only because the protection of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/children?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#children</a> and families is our priority, and in view of this, we are unwilling to let <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LGBTQ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LGBTQ</a> lobby into our schools and kindergartens. <a href="https://t.co/dtj9h5hJAh">pic.twitter.com/dtj9h5hJAh</a></p>&mdash; Judit Varga (@JuditVarga_EU) <a href="https://twitter.com/JuditVarga_EU/status/1422450246840430615?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mystic Mock]

It doesn't help that an American school board wanted there to be some leeway when it comes to allowing sex offenders do it.
https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article234193237.html

And that a library didn't even bother carrying out checks until a convicted child molester had already read in their venue several times.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/drag-queen-library-convicted/

Jesus Christ! Incompetence at it's worst for both situations.

Personally though Orban is suspicious with his motive imo as he is against stories with strong LGBT themes, but I bet is A okay with Romeo & Juliet.

[Nicky91]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hungary has been attacked on an unprecedented scale only because the protection of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/children?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#children</a> and families is our priority, and in view of this, we are unwilling to let <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LGBTQ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LGBTQ</a> lobby into our schools and kindergartens. <a href="https://t.co/dtj9h5hJAh">pic.twitter.com/dtj9h5hJAh</a></p>&mdash; Judit Varga (@JuditVarga_EU) <a href="https://twitter.com/JuditVarga_EU/status/1422450246840430615?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

one of dictator Orban's puppets


''only for protection of families and children as our main priority''


LIES



Hungary is attacked because of that Vile Sexist, Homophobic, Racist Pig as president :idc:


EU finally needs to show their balls and kick Hungary out but not after financially ruining them to the ground, with 10 billion debts the karma what that disgusting country deserves