Possible Porn Education for 14 to 16 olds Education

[arista]

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[ThomasC]

Yes, but it shouldn't be called porn education.

[GoldHeart]

There's so many things WRONG with that title "Porn & children", should NEVER be put together EVER .

But there has to be a broader spectrum on sex education and lessons , when i was at school everything was described so basic and mechanical .

Everyone gets taught birth control and the medical aspect of sex and how the male and female body works . But there was never any important discussions about the emotional side or the consent side to it all ,which should have been a vital part.

[user104658]

Here's a wild, crazy, out-there idea:

How about ALL porn should cut out the violence, abuse and make it clear that true, comfortable, informed consent is vital and if sites don't do that, they get shut down entirely. We don't need "special porn that promotes consent" that's just aimed at young people FFS it should be a requirement if it's going to be made AT ALL.

[arista]

Yes, but it shouldn't be called porn education.


Yes
thats what the panel said.

[arista]

There's so many things WRONG with that title "Porn & children", should NEVER be put together EVER .

But there has to be a broader spectrum on sex education and lessons , when i was at school everything was described so basic and mechanical .

Everyone gets taught birth control and the medical aspect of sex and how the male and female body works . But there was never any important discussions about the emotional side or the consent side to it all ,which should have been a vital part.


They need a video of 16 year olds
having sex.

[ThomasC]

Here's a wild, crazy, out-there idea:

How about ALL porn should cut out the violence, abuse and make it clear that true, comfortable, informed consent is vital and if sites don't do that, they get shut down entirely. We don't need "special porn that promotes consent" that's just aimed at young people FFS it should be a requirement if it's going to be made AT ALL.

Violence? in an ideal world, but some people have violence porn as a fetish, but it's still consenting.

They need a video of 14 to 16 year olds
having sex.

Oh god, you didn't just say that?

That's rape to start with.

[Cherie]

They need a video of 14 to 16 year olds
having sex.

No they don’t

[bots]

They need a video of 14 to 16 year olds
having sex.

Arista's middle name is "glitter"

[user104658]

Violence? in an ideal world, but some people have violence porn as a fetish, but it's still consenting.


Bull**** is it, 99.9% of it is "a grey area" of consent at best and most of the women who make these videos are already in a bad psychological state, and victims of historic abuse, BEFORE they get into the industry, and come out even worse. The reports from indistry insiders, ex-"performers" and the data is staggering and shameful and frankly anyone who gets their rocks off watching women being abused, and are going to start complaining that they can't get choking porn any more, can **** right off permanently. "Sex work liberal feminism" is misogyny in a frilly hat.

[user104658]

They need a video of 14 to 16 year olds
having sex.

FFS arista even for you this is next level. :facepalm:

[arista]

FFS arista even for you this is next level. :facepalm:



Kids are watching Porn on their phones
How would you do this new Education plan TS?

[ThomasC]

Bull**** is it, 99.9% of it is "a grey area" of consent at best and most of the women who make these videos are already in a bad psychological state, and victims of historic abuse, BEFORE they get into the industry, and come out even worse. The reports from indistry insiders, ex-"performers" and the data is staggering and shameful and frankly anyone who gets their rocks off watching women being abused, and are going to start complaining that they can't get choking porn any more, can **** right off permanently. "Sex work liberal feminism" is misogyny in a frilly hat.

It's not bull****.

Maybe you're just close minded?

Hence there being a submissive and dominant partner etc.

whips, chains, tying up etc. It can be a fetish to be controlled and dominated during sex.

I'm not saying all and you're looking at it from a professional sex worker position

[arista]

Arista's middle name is "glitter"


Yes Bad example
Gary Glitter former pop star, now Paedophile.



No one wants to be in his Gang.

[ThomasC]

Kids are watching Porn on their phones
How would you do this new Education plan TS?

Yes, but not of 14 and 15 year old children.

[arista]

Yes, but not of 14 and 15 year old children.


Yes but this is for Education
not a posted illegal DVD

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[ThomasC]

Yes but this is for Education
not a posted DVD

well it's illegal for a start.

If you were even going to do this you would at least show them consenting adults and even then I would never advocate it at that age.

You can educate and show them dummy sex, manequins or something.... but showing 14/15 year old porn in itself would be considered grooming.. it's just not acceptable.

There are boundaries that can't be crossed and the person delivering the education needs to be suitably qualified too, unless it's a parent advising their children.

If children have the understanding around safety and precautions then they will discover their own bodies/sex when the time is right.

We just have to equip them with some knowledge and skill, but it certainly doesn't involve showing them porn.

[arista]

well it's illegal for a start.

If you were even going to do this you would at least show them consenting adults and even then I would never advocate it at that age.

You can educate and show them dummy sex, manequins or something.... but showing 14/15 year old porn in itself would be considered grooming.. it's just not acceptable.

There are boundaries that can't be crossed and the person delivering the education needs to be suitably qualified too, unless it's a parent advising their children.

If children have the understanding around safety and precautions then they will discover their own bodies/sex when the time is right.

We just have to equip them with some knowledge and skill, but it certainly doesn't involve showing them porn.


That would be a Laughing session

[ThomasC]

That would be a Laughing session

You could say all of it would be at age depending on maturity.

One important skill to learn is how to put a condom/femidon on... using a banana or plastic prop.

[arista]

You could say all of it would be at age depending on maturity.

One important skill to learn is how to put a condom/femidon on... using a banana or plastic prop.


Yes, but this is plan to teach beyond the basic level

[arista]

"Oh god, you didn't just say that?

That's rape to start with."


No its Consensual Sex , Thomas

Which is legal for 16 year olds in the UK

[ThomasC]

"Oh god, you didn't just say that?

That's rape to start with."


No its Consensual Sex , Thomas

Which is legal for 16 year olds in the UK

Yes, 16, you said 14-16 year old having sex.

14 and 15 is illegal.

[GoldHeart]

You could say all of it would be at age depending on maturity.

One important skill to learn is how to put a condom/femidon on... using a banana or plastic prop.

That's literally what sex education was when i was a kid, it's lazy when you think about it . As they didn't teach the important stuff like consent and the emotional side, look how high teenage pregnancies are but there wasn't an in depth discussions about support or help if you get pregnant or even if you catch an STI , and the relationship side to things and taking precautions etc.

I don't know if it's because schools and teachers thought the subjects were too heavy or serious or whether they just were not qualified enough to deal with these matters , but it always felt very basic and rushed to me .

[Alf]

Wasn't it Amber Rudd's daughter who tweeted it out and deleted it?

[Ammi]

Wasn't it Amber Rudd's daughter who tweeted it out and deleted it?

…yeah, so far as the media are reporting, it was Flora Gill…Amber Rudd’s daughter…

[arista]

Yes, 16, you said 14-16 year old having sex.

14 and 15 is illegal.


OK make it 16 year olds
performing Consensual Sex
for School Education.

[user104658]

It's not bull****.

Maybe you're just close minded?

Hence there being a submissive and dominant partner etc.

whips, chains, tying up etc. It can be a fetish to be controlled and dominated during sex.

I'm not saying all and you're looking at it from a professional sex worker position

"Violent porn" doesn't refer to sub/dom, it refers to slapping/choking/spitting/gagging, 99% male-on-female, 99% consent "grey area", 99% male viewership, 100% toxic.

[arista]

Wasn't it Amber Rudd's daughter who tweeted it out and deleted it?


Yes it was.

[ThomasC]

"Violent porn" doesn't refer to sub/dom, it refers to slapping/choking/spitting/gagging, 99% male-on-female, 99% consent "grey area", 99% male viewership, 100% toxic.

Slapping, choking, spitting, gagging I would consider to be quite normal during sex tbh.

I am not into any of that, but I would imagine a lot of people are and would be turned on by it.

That would actually be quite tame even. If you are happy with that then so be it.

As an adult if you told me that i barely consented to that when both partners were happy to do so then I would be outraged.

But I think we're talking about different things, different audiences and an industry where some probably don't have a choice because they can't afford not to.

[arista]

No choking in Education Videos
they could go wrong.

[Niamh.]

Here's a wild, crazy, out-there idea:

How about ALL porn should cut out the violence, abuse and make it clear that true, comfortable, informed consent is vital and if sites don't do that, they get shut down entirely. We don't need "special porn that promotes consent" that's just aimed at young people FFS it should be a requirement if it's going to be made AT ALL.Absolutely

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[user104658]

Slapping, choking, spitting, gagging I would consider to be quite normal during sex tbh.

I am not into any of that, but I would imagine a lot of people are and would be turned on by it.

That would actually be quite tame even. If you are happy with that then so be it.

As an adult if you told me that i barely consented to that when both partners were happy to do so then I would be outraged.

But I think we're talking about different things, different audiences and an industry where some probably don't have a choice because they can't afford not to.

Normalized not "normal", and men are into it and turned on by it, request it, etc, and because it's normalized many women mistakenly believe that it's a reasonable request, and comply with it because they believe this, despite the fact that they don't personally enjoy it.

And it's getting worse with younger people and teens.

Because of porn, normalising it.

But so long as the lads are getting their jollies eh, best not kink-shame them, the ladies are "willing to please" after all. Prudish to try to stop them. They like it! Honest!

[ThomasC]

Normalized not "normal", and men are into it and turned on by it, request it, etc, and because it's normalized many women mistakenly believe that it's a reasonable request, and comply with it because they believe this, despite the fact that they don't personally enjoy it.

And it's getting worse with younger people and teens.

Because of porn, normalising it.

But so long as the lads are getting their jollies eh, best not kink-shame them, the ladies are "willing to please" after all. Prudish to try to stop them. They like it! Honest!

Well, I am sure some women do like it and some don't.


Just like some men do and some don't. I won't blanket statement which your post seems to have done.

[GoldHeart]

Well, I am sure some women do like it and some don't.


Just like some men do and some don't. I won't blanket statement which your post seems to have done.

Exactly both MEN & WOMEN talk about kinks they're into which would be considered weird ie candle wax, choking , slapping, whipping etc etc

EDIT
I don't understand how the conversation turned into 'violent kinks' but there we go

[user104658]

Well, I am sure some women do like it and some don't.


Just like some men do and some don't. I won't blanket statement which your post seems to have done.

I'm not making it up off the top of my head, this is a well studied area and an emerging consent nightmare in teens. Girls "consent" to violent, uncomfortable, painful, and often dangerous sex acts because, thanks to porn, it's normalised and considered "prudish" not to engage. The percentage of women who actually enjoy it is minuscule compared to the number of men asking for it. You can continue to ignore the facts if you want - god knows, the vast majority of people seem to want to - but that is sadly the situation.

[user104658]

Exactly both MEN & WOMEN talk about kinks they're into which would be considered weird ie candle wax, choking , slapping, whipping etc etc

EDIT
I don't understand how the conversation turned into 'violent kinks' but there we go

That is what the WHOLE THREAD is about; the original controversial tweet that was deleted was suggesting that there should be "good" porn aimed at young teenagers that highlights proper consent and people just having actual sex, to counter the mountains of violent pornography that young men are exposed to and (in turn) expect from their girlfriends.

[ThomasC]

I'm not making it up off the top of my head, this is a well studied area and an emerging consent nightmare in teens. Girls "consent" to violent, uncomfortable, painful, and often dangerous sex acts because, thanks to porn, it's normalised and considered "prudish" not to engage. The percentage of women who actually enjoy it is minuscule compared to the number of men asking for it. You can continue to ignore the facts if you want - god knows, the vast majority of people seem to want to - but that is sadly the situation.

Well what I am saying is that what you have described just sound like fetishes to me which are enjoyed by many.

I am sure women ask for it too.

I am not doubting that there are women who feel they must oblige and do things for the pleasure of their partner.... Porn can be dangerous in that a lot of it are actors and it's not always the reality of sex. They get paid, they're actors.

I am just pointing out that A) - A lot do enjoy it and B) It's not just women that 'violence', if that's how it is deemed to the individual, doesn't just happen to women... although I would agree, the data probably suggests it's much higher with women.

Vunerability having a lot to answer for and sex workers who have no choice.

[user104658]

I don't know what to say other than that the scale of the problem is much, much bigger than you realise and that teenage girls being peer pressured into violent or painful sex acts is happening, daily, to thousands of girls, up and down the country, largely thanks to violent pornography. This isn't a theory it's a fact. And no it's not "both men and women" that's just MRA crap; there may be a SMALL proportion of males affected and there may be a SMALL proportion of girls who actually genuinely enjoy these acts but that's not really the point.

It's normalization of male-on-female sexual violence with questionable levels of consent, for the benefit of males. Full stop. And people are full - FULL - of excuses for it.

[GoldHeart]

That is what the WHOLE THREAD is about; the original controversial tweet that was deleted was suggesting that there should be "good" porn aimed at young teenagers that highlights proper consent and people just having actual sex, to counter the mountains of violent pornography that young men are exposed to and (in turn) expect from their girlfriends.

They should be told that PORN is NOT reality! and it shouldn't be used as a way of showing "proper consent" , as mentioned in this thread those are PAID models who usually have safe words and they're literally doing it because it's a fetish and they're being paid.

And anyone bullying their partner to do everything they've watched in porn, is clearly abusive and toxic.

[ThomasC]

I don't know what to say other than that the scale of the problem is much, much bigger than you realise and that teenage girls being peer pressured into violent or painful sex acts is happening, daily, to thousands of girls, up and down the country, largely thanks to violent pornography. This isn't a theory it's a fact. And no it's not "both men and women" that's just MRA crap; there may be a SMALL proportion of males affected and there may be a SMALL proportion of girls who actually genuinely enjoy these acts but that's not really the point.

It's normalization of male-on-female sexual violence with questionable levels of consent, for the benefit of males. Full stop. And people are full - FULL - of excuses for it.

Has this not just been happening for a while though?

When you described the acts of violence, they would come under fetishes to me.

sex which is not consensual would be violent, regardless in my eyes, and non-consensual sex has always been a problem. Maybe now more so.

Porn is not going to help.

[arista]

Yes they need to call it
Sex Education for 16 year olds

[ThomasC]

Yes they need to call it
Sex Education for 16 year olds

This already happens to some degree and `16 is too old for most.

It needs to start in secondary school.

Children are having sex a lot younger.

[ThomasC]

I personally can't stand these sub/dom labels myself.

I just like sex.

[arista]

I personally can't stand these sub/dom labels myself.

I just like sex.



Thats very normal

[GoldHeart]

I don't know what to say other than that the scale of the problem is much, much bigger than you realise and that teenage girls being peer pressured into violent or painful sex acts is happening, daily, to thousands of girls, up and down the country, largely thanks to violent pornography. This isn't a theory it's a fact. And no it's not "both men and women" that's just MRA crap; there may be a SMALL proportion of males affected and there may be a SMALL proportion of girls who actually genuinely enjoy these acts but that's not really the point.

It's normalization of male-on-female sexual violence with questionable levels of consent, for the benefit of males. Full stop. And people are full - FULL - of excuses for it.

well it doesn't help that trash like 50 shades of grey and 365 days gets normalised and hyped up as "fun". When both movies display arrogant toxic abusive relationships, 365 days is even worse than 50 shades. There's no sexual liberation , it's basically glorified possession and ownership of women .

Both those men are creepy and unstable, but because neither of them look like jabba the hutt it's dressed up as something 'adventurous ' , when in reality nobody should touch either of these men and run far far away.

[Marsh.]

They need a video of 16 year olds
having sex.

:eyes: :umm2:

[Marsh.]

Kids are watching Porn on their phones
How would you do this new Education plan TS?

So you think the solution is kiddie porn?

[arista]

So you think the solution is kiddie porn?


No 16 year olds.
For School Education.

[Marsh.]

I'm not making it up off the top of my head, this is a well studied area and an emerging consent nightmare in teens. Girls "consent" to violent, uncomfortable, painful, and often dangerous sex acts because, thanks to porn, it's normalised and considered "prudish" not to engage. The percentage of women who actually enjoy it is minuscule compared to the number of men asking for it. You can continue to ignore the facts if you want - god knows, the vast majority of people seem to want to - but that is sadly the situation.

Definitely, there's a reason why they always say the damage done by porn isn't by kids seeing nude tits and bums, but that thinking the sex depicted is normal and what is expected and if they don't do what's in the videos then they're not normal or not like everyone else. That plus wild ideas about body image.

[Marsh.]

No 16 year olds.
For School Education.

But, there's a difference in making porn to be used for educational purposes in schools and making porn that has children in it?

[Beso]

Hello children, it's me, uncle Parmy. And guess what children! its uncle parmy in a dress time.

And today in porn education, I will be teaching you how to fist safely.?


Jennifer'

[arista]

But, there's a difference in making porn to be used for educational purposes in schools and making porn that has children in it?



Yes Like in the First post
not good to call it Porn.

[thesheriff443]

Kids are sending nude pics of themselves and having under age sex
That’s something that’ needs to be addressed before we even get to sex education surely

[Marsh.]

Kids are sending nude pics of themselves and having under age sex
That’s something that’ needs to be addressed before we even get to sex education surely

That's part and parcel of sex education surely.

[Tom4784]

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[Beso]

So someone tweeted a suggestion that was swiftly deleted, k.

The only thing teenagers should be taught about porn is that it's not indicative of what sex is like and they shouldn't use it as a barometer for what is normal when it comes to sex or body image.

What should happen is nobody tells kids about sex, apart from contraception and what will happen if it's not used.

Ban the internet, and let kids find scruffy old fiestas or mayfair in a wood somewhere so they can decide for themselves what turns them on, whenever they are ready for that feeling.

[user104658]

well it doesn't help that trash like 50 shades of grey and 365 days gets normalised and hyped up as "fun". When both movies display arrogant toxic abusive relationships, 365 days is even worse than 50 shades. There's no sexual liberation , it's basically glorified possession and ownership of women .

Both those men are creepy and unstable, but because neither of them look like jabba the hutt it's dressed up as something 'adventurous ' , when in reality nobody should touch either of these men and run far far away.


Oh god, 50 shades had many issues… 365 days was a whole other level! :umm2:. He flat out kidnapped and assaulted her and the plot was that… she liked it. Like you said imagine it was a 50 year old chubby bald guy and instantly it’s a horror movie.

We’re watching sex/life at the moment which is framed as something different but honestly both of the blokes in that are awful, too!

But to be fair it’s quite enjoyable because it’s just… a bit silly and far fetched. And all you come away thinking is “I just feel bad for those poor kids” :hehe:

[user104658]

So someone tweeted a suggestion that was swiftly deleted, k.

The only thing teenagers should be taught about porn is that it's not indicative of what sex is like and they shouldn't use it as a barometer for what is normal when it comes to sex or body image.


I’ve heard it (regular ol porn, not the violent kind) explained as, people need to remember that you can only see and hear porn. So porn is filmed to look and sound “good”, but that doesn’t mean it actually feels good, and what actually feels good often doesn’t make for “exciting” porn.

The huge problem with kids being exposed earlier and earlier online is that 16 year olds who are becoming sexually actively just think that’s what sex is.

[thesheriff443]

That's part and parcel of sex education surely.

Yes but Kids as young as 8 are sending pics

[Beso]

Yes but Kids as young as 8 are sending pics

That's down to **** parenting for allowing internet access to kids of 8, or other more sinister things.

[Tom4784]

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[user104658]

The biggest thing that shocked me about 365 days was that a woman wrote it. I just couldn't imagine many women thinking that sexual assault was erotic. Gross film, gross story. Gross everything.




My wife was disappointed that a woman wrote sex/life as well. Mostly at least it’s a more positive portrayal of the actual SEX in terms of what women physically enjoy, but good god, the characters! They’re all just awful. The ex the main character is pining over - awful, manipulative, abusive, even in the flashback scenes of “the good times”! The supposedly nice guy husband - awful! Borderline rapes her at least twice in his quest to prove that he’s “an alpha”. The woman herself in full mid-life crisis mode (she’s feeling unfulfilled in life, and her solution to this appears to be that she just needs some good dick) - terrible!

It’s basically a tale of gaslighting, abuse, and some very borderline consent stuff, but it’s not framed as that at all :umm2:.

Unfortunately it’s just the right level of trash that we binged the whole damn show :hehe:.

[Mystic Mock]

Here's a wild, crazy, out-there idea:

How about ALL porn should cut out the violence, abuse and make it clear that true, comfortable, informed consent is vital and if sites don't do that, they get shut down entirely. We don't need "special porn that promotes consent" that's just aimed at young people FFS it should be a requirement if it's going to be made AT ALL.

What's wrong with Violent Porn?!:fist::joker:

Seriously this idea is warped from whoever has come up with this idea.:laugh:

[Niamh.]

Here's a wild, crazy, out-there idea:

How about ALL porn should cut out the violence, abuse and make it clear that true, comfortable, informed consent is vital and if sites don't do that, they get shut down entirely. We don't need "special porn that promotes consent" that's just aimed at young people FFS it should be a requirement if it's going to be made AT ALL.[emoji122]

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[Mystic Mock]

Bull**** is it, 99.9% of it is "a grey area" of consent at best and most of the women who make these videos are already in a bad psychological state, and victims of historic abuse, BEFORE they get into the industry, and come out even worse. The reports from indistry insiders, ex-"performers" and the data is staggering and shameful and frankly anyone who gets their rocks off watching women being abused, and are going to start complaining that they can't get choking porn any more, can **** right off permanently. "Sex work liberal feminism" is misogyny in a frilly hat.

Imo if the Actresses consent to doing the work then I don't see the issue.

Obviously the industry does need to clean up it's act when it comes to abuse behind the scenes though.

[user104658]

Imo if the Actresses consent to doing the work then I don't see the issue.

Obviously the industry does need to clean up it's act when it comes to abuse behind the scenes though.

In my opinion consent can be extremely murky, and if you offer someone who is desperate enough money to do something they're going to be very tempted to do it. Drug dependence is a common issue, but also young women who simply have nowhere to go. Consent isn't just about having someone say "yes I'll do it"... exploitation and manipulation is absolutely rife in the industry. The myth of the "happy sex worker" is frankly mostly to make the people buying porn, or hiring prostitutes, or subscribing to OnlyFans accounts, feel a little bit better about it.

Personally I think if we search our souls a little we all damn well know it's usually grim.

Ethical porn does exist but pretty much no one is actually watching it, and 99.9% of the porn online is not even close to ethical.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't know what to say other than that the scale of the problem is much, much bigger than you realise and that teenage girls being peer pressured into violent or painful sex acts is happening, daily, to thousands of girls, up and down the country, largely thanks to violent pornography. This isn't a theory it's a fact. And no it's not "both men and women" that's just MRA crap; there may be a SMALL proportion of males affected and there may be a SMALL proportion of girls who actually genuinely enjoy these acts but that's not really the point.

It's normalization of male-on-female sexual violence with questionable levels of consent, for the benefit of males. Full stop. And people are full - FULL - of excuses for it.

Personally if someone is violent towards their GF during sex, then they've probably got that side to them anyway, Porn is being blamed for what's most likely a psycho Boyfriend that's using violent Porn as a method to act out his violent tendencies. Just like some psychos do with Video Games.

[Mystic Mock]

In my opinion consent can be extremely murky, and if you offer someone who is desperate enough money to do something they're going to be very tempted to do it. Drug dependence is a common issue, but also young women who simply have nowhere to go. Consent isn't just about having someone say "yes I'll do it"... exploitation and manipulation is absolutely rife in the industry. The myth of the "happy sex worker" is frankly mostly to make the people buying porn, or hiring prostitutes, or subscribing to OnlyFans accounts, feel a little bit better about it.

Personally I think if we search our souls a little we all damn well know it's usually grim.

Ethical porn does exist but pretty much no one is actually watching it, and 99.9% of the porn online is not even close to ethical.

Oh the Industry definitely has issues.

[user104658]

Personally if someone is violent towards their GF during sex, then they've probably got that side to them anyway, Porn is being blamed for what's most likely a psycho Boyfriend that's using violent Porn as a method to act out his violent tendencies. Just like some psychos do with Video Games.

Again though Mock this isn't guessing and theories - a lot of research has been done into this and it's been a common theme over the last couple of decades. We're not just talking about obvious violence, there are smaller things to consider. To give an example - "pushing the head down" (forcing the back of the woman's head so they gag on the penis) is seen as being really normal in porn, and there are countless examples of young women complaining that someone has done this to them, and then when the guy is asked why he did it he's genuinely baffled because he's inexperienced, all he really knows of sex is from porn, and he thought that was a totally normal part of oral sex. Hair pulling is another common example. Or switching to anal without PROPER (informed, genuine, unpressured) consent during sex. Things that most people don't think are a huge problem because porn has made them seem "standard stuff".

[Beso]

[emoji122]

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Clap all you want, but if half off tibb has to miss out on a good old fisting, dont you come running to me when the reports come flooding on from their bottom filling fingers.:nono:

[Beso]

Personally if someone is violent towards their GF during sex, then they've probably got that side to them anyway, Porn is being blamed for what's most likely a psycho Boyfriend that's using violent Porn as a method to act out his violent tendencies. Just like some psychos do with Video Games.

No...its what kids watch at 12 or younger on a home pc or laptop when lazy parents cant be arsed to entertain them that make them that way

[Mystic Mock]

Again though Mock this isn't guessing and theories - a lot of research has been done into this and it's been a common theme over the last couple of decades. We're not just talking about obvious violence, there are smaller things to consider. To give an example - "pushing the head down" (forcing the back of the woman's head so they gag on the penis) is seen as being really normal in porn, and there are countless examples of young women complaining that someone has done this to them, and then when the guy is asked why he did it he's genuinely baffled because he's inexperienced, all he really knows of sex is from porn, and he thought that was a totally normal part of oral sex. Hair pulling is another common example. Or switching to anal without PROPER (informed, genuine, unpressured) consent during sex. Things that most people don't think are a huge problem because porn has made them seem "standard stuff".

Okay I never thought that I'd ever say this but what's wrong with today's kids?:laugh:

When I was in my teens I knew that forcing a girl to gag on my Penis was a big no no.

Personally though I thought that violent Porn was illegal to watch in the UK anyway? How are these kids watching it?

[Mystic Mock]

No...its what kids watch at 12 or younger on a home pc or laptop when lazy parents cant be arsed to entertain them that make them that way

I would agree more with this.

Parenting and School environment will always shape a person more than entertainment ever will, if one of those two or both of those two things are bad in your life then your chances of being a rotten person will increase.

I always look back to the bullies in my School years, they all had terrible parents, and Teachers being uber soft towards them when they were behaving appallingly.

[user104658]

Okay I never thought that I'd ever say this but what's wrong with today's kids?:laugh:

When I was in my teens I knew that forcing a girl to gag on my Penis was a big no no.

Personally though I thought that violent Porn was illegal to watch in the UK anyway? How are these kids watching it?


It’s like anything obviously, it doesn’t affect everyone and it doesn’t impact everyone the same way, obviously plenty of teenagers - even if they’ve seen all sorts of porn - don’t act out the most extreme stuff. Although I think “little bits” of it do still come through in terms of expectations and… umm… techniques.

Anyway in terms of what’s changed with kids these days the answer is basically access. Smartphones and mobile data.

In terms of legality, it is illegal if there’s any suspicion that it’s “real” violence and there was a change a few years back to stop “realistic rape porn” even when it’s acting but there’s still plenty of “consensual aggression” that comes pretty close to the line, and like I said before it’s often so drenched in exploitation and coercion that the “consent line” is really blurred.

[Alf]

Perverts

[arista]

Perverts


No,
that's what the Education People
do not want.

[Beso]

All I had in the 80s was the popsicle films, and the shower section of a littlewoods catalogue...

And when I've made love to a woman, it's always been loving and caring, no spitting for lube needed:nono:

[Alf]

No,
that's what the Education People
do not want.No education people are not involved, this is just privliged establishment people trying to normalise underage sex and paedophilia.

They've been covering it up for years and now it's dripping out, they want to normalise it.

Perverts.

[arista]

No education people are involved, this is just privliged establishment people trying to normalise underage sex and paedophilia.

They've been covering it up for years and now it's dripping out, they want to normalise it.

Perverts.


Sure Alf
but to become Official
it must go through the Education Dept.

[ThomasC]

It’s like anything obviously, it doesn’t affect everyone and it doesn’t impact everyone the same way, obviously plenty of teenagers - even if they’ve seen all sorts of porn - don’t act out the most extreme stuff. Although I think “little bits” of it do still come through in terms of expectations and… umm… techniques.

Anyway in terms of what’s changed with kids these days the answer is basically access. Smartphones and mobile data.

In terms of legality, it is illegal if there’s any suspicion that it’s “real” violence and there was a change a few years back to stop “realistic rape porn” even when it’s acting but there’s still plenty of “consensual aggression” that comes pretty close to the line, and like I said before it’s often so drenched in exploitation and coercion that the “consent line” is really blurred.

In reply to a quote of yours, not quoted, it's about knowing your partner.... someone thrusting my head down is quite normal to me, but you either discuss it before hand or just say no during.......someone slapping my arse or pulling my hair a little :joker: again is normal to me and a turn on to a lot of people...kinks....but I understand that it is also an issue.

When we talk about consent, I think we forget to think about capacity.... they can go hand in hand.... if someone is already vulnerable are they able to consent and do they have the capacity to do so... I won't get all boring on this, but sex workers for example are most likely going to be very vulnerable.....children, who because of their age etc etc not mentioning the legalities of it. For example, I know, as a 30 year old man if someone did something during sex I was not happy with them I would say so. Some because of vulnerabilitie, consent, capacity feel like they can't. I don't want to over complicate the subject...but yeah, worth considering.

[user104658]

In reply to a quote of yours, not quoted, it's about knowing your partner.... someone thrusting my head down is quite normal to me, but you either discuss it before hand or just say no during.......someone slapping my arse or pulling my hair a little :joker: again is normal to me and a turn on to a lot of people...kinks....but I understand that it is also an issue.

When we talk about consent, I think we forget to think about capacity.... they can go hand in hand.... if someone is already vulnerable are they able to consent and do they have the capacity to do so... I won't get all boring on this, but sex workers for example are most likely going to be very vulnerable.....children, who because of their age etc etc not mentioning the legalities of it. For example, I know, as a 30 year old man if someone did something during sex I was not happy with them I would say so. Some because of vulnerabilitie, consent, capacity feel like they can't. I don't want to over complicate the subject...but yeah, worth considering.

I think that's why we talk of "enthusiastic consent" and not just "consent" and it's an important distiction. People know fine well that there's a difference between "Hell yeah I'm into that!" and "Well... OK... we can try it... I guess... if you want..." and it's the latter that's the problem, especially for young people who don't have the confidence of experience to assert themselves. They don't really WANT to do it but if they think it's "standard stuff", the other person is asking for it and saying "everyone does it like this", and porn is sending the same message, then it enters a real grey area of what is actually consent... and what is complying with an expectation.

I also agree about capacity and I think people are far too black-and-white about that, the assumption is that if someone is over 18, isn't vulnerable for other reasons, and says "yes" for whatever reason then there's no problem which clearly isn't always the case. People often find it hard to say no just out of sheer "politeness", let alone when there are other things going on like pressuring and subtle manipulation. Even a "Pff, you're boring if you don't like that" really muddies any consent that follows IMO.

I don't know what the solution is. Probably just continuing to educate that different people have different wants and needs and there is no expectation, hand in hand with making it clear that it's never OK to try to "convince" someone to do something if they initially seemed not interested.

[ThomasC]

I think that's why we talk of "enthusiastic consent" and not just "consent" and it's an important distiction. People know fine well that there's a difference between "Hell yeah I'm into that!" and "Well... OK... we can try it... I guess... if you want..." and it's the latter that's the problem, especially for young people who don't have the confidence of experience to assert themselves. They don't really WANT to do it but if they think it's "standard stuff", the other person is asking for it and saying "everyone does it like this", and porn is sending the same message, then it enters a real grey area of what is actually consent... and what is complying with an expectation.

I also agree about capacity and I think people are far too black-and-white about that, the assumption is that if someone is over 18, isn't vulnerable for other reasons, and says "yes" for whatever reason then there's no problem which clearly isn't always the case. People often find it hard to say no just out of sheer "politeness", let alone when there are other things going on like pressuring and subtle manipulation. Even a "Pff, you're boring if you don't like that" really muddies any consent that follows IMO.

I don't know what the solution is. Probably just continuing to educate that different people have different wants and needs and there is no expectation, hand in hand with making it clear that it's never OK to try to "convince" someone to do something if they initially seemed not interested.

Yes a lot is to do with 'politeness' and like you say thinking it's just normal.

I think the solution, or part of the solution as it will always be a problem to a degree, is education and money. Also, the sites that do allow this type of porn, to include a warning before hand/and for videos to be moderated more. It's not just professional porn, but ameture porn..... the problem is that some people do generally like violent porn or a very domineering partner, but again there could be a warning before hand and if people are educated in the first place.

It's very multifasicted because I think a child or young person who has resilience, good mental health and open discussions will be more likely to say no to what they don't like... back to education and upbringing.... a child or young person who has poor confidence, self-esteem issues is going to be more vunerable and a victim of peer pressure.

Children and young people need to be taught resillience which is a big thing, imo, of part of growing up. We need to let children/young people experience life, but be aware of the dangers.....whilst we need to protect them, overprotection can lead to more problems than it is trying to resolve.

EDIT; I'll give you an example from today. I am not ashamed to admit I use hookup sites. I wouldn't class myself as vunerable, but a guy I have met up with before to have sex has said that he is meeting someone today and would I like to join them. The other person involved wants to film it...which I don't have an issue with, but then he said he wants to put it on Twitter..... NOT A CHANCE! LOL....but I am of sound mind and know what I do and don't want... unfortunately, some just don;t.

[GoldHeart]

I hate the word peer pressure ,but I know kids/ teens feel pressured. We live in a messed up society where a young person is laughed at for still being a virgin :bored: . It's pathetic and it's nobody's business.