UK Alpaca owner could not stop the Government killing it

[arista]

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This due to Bovine TB test.
DEFRA claim.




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[smudgie]

The Alpaca needs to die, it could spread to other animals.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Get some top Political heavyweights involved

like say Barack Ollama

[Crimson Dynamo]

or celebs like

Al Pacacino

[arista]

The Alpaca needs to die, it could spread to other animals.

Can she not section away
from other animals

[Mystic Mock]

What a beauty.

Rihanna doesn't look too bad either.:hehe:

But being serious as sad as it is the Alpaca can't be allowed to potentially spread this disease to other animals so has to be put down.

I feel sorry for the woman though as she's obviously very close to him.

[Mystic Mock]

Can she not section away
from other animals

That is a good idea if it's a possibility.

[Crimson Dynamo]

if we kill both then the problem goes away

i expect Lumley would also need to be killed as well

not Rhianna

[Zizu]

She’s convinced it’s not got the disease as she says if it had it all this time it would have died.


They should just do a new test with witnesses present.. then go from there


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[joeysteele]

She’s convinced it’s not got the disease as she says if it had it all this time it would have died.


They should just do a new test with witnesses present.. then go from there


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Definitely this, at the very least.

[Mystic Mock]

if we kill both then the problem goes away

i expect Lumley would also need to be killed as well

not Rhianna

I don't know why but the not Rihanna part has made me laugh.:joker:

[Kazanne]

She’s convinced it’s not got the disease as she says if it had it all this time it would have died.


They should just do a new test with witnesses present.. then go from there


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This would be the sensible thing to do and keep it seperate from any others while they wait the results.

[arista]

The Court has refused any more
tests
and within 30 days they are sadly to kill it.


LBC news

[Zizu]

The Court has refused any more
tests
and within 30 days they are sadly to kill it.


LBC news


There must be more than we’re being told here ..

How come the RSPCA or animal rights movements aren’t onboard


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[arista]

There must be more than we’re being told here ..

How come the RSPCA or animal rights movements aren’t onboard




DEFRA over power them.

[joeysteele]

The Court has refused any more
tests
and within 30 days they are sadly to kill it.


LBC news

Well that's shocking.

She has kept it separate since the issue arose..
It looked fine on the TV yesterday.

There's over 80,000 signed a petition to the PM to intervene.

What are they scared of as to doing another publicly held possibly test.
To see if it really does have it.

Just to settle things with its owner and everyone else interested in the welfare of the animal.

This stinks actually.

[arista]

Well that's shocking.

She has kept it separate since the issue arose..
It looked fine on the TV yesterday.

There's over 80,000 signed a petition to the PM to intervene.

What are they scared of as to doing another publicly held possibly test.
To see if it really does have it.

Just to settle things with its owner and everyone else interested in the welfare of the animal.

This stinks actually.



Yes The Court not aware of all these facts.
Keeping that animal away from all others
is the way to go.

If the Animal is fit
leave it be.

[Tom4784]

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[smudgie]

There must be more than we’re being told here ..

How come the RSPCA or animal rights movements aren’t onboard


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Probably because they know the outcome of letting it live.
It is the norm for a bovine TB positive test meaning the animal has to be put to sleep.
This woman should be fully aware of this.

[arista]

Probably because they know the outcome of letting it live.
It is the norm for a bovine TB positive test meaning the animal has to be put to sleep.
This woman should be fully aware of this.



She is aware of DEFRA rules
but the animal is fine.

[arista]

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She is going to Film it being killed

[Ammi]

…this is difficult, isn’t it…because she does have veterinary experience as a veterinary nurse and although he’s had two tests already, she believes them to be false positives…and that’s the crux of why she believes that a healthy Alpaca has been sentenced to being killed…she’s in agreement that he sadly has to die if he’s diseased but doesn’t believe that he is…


…it feel a bit like a capital punishment/type dilemma…after the fact, what if it was all false and there had been no need to….just a really difficult and sad situation…

[joeysteele]

I just fail to grasp why with so much dispute from the owner as to doubt on the last tests.
I just CANNOT see any harm at all in having another independent testing done to see if it is infected.

Surely avoiding putting a possibly healthy animal down for no reason should be the most important thing here.

I don't get why George Eustace doesn't order a new test to be done again.
Independently with the owner present too.

Far better to save the animal than kill it on a not maybe so accurate test.
Surely another independent test is the better way.

Can the owner too not ask for it to be independently done, if the government concede if the animal is then deemed healthy.
The death sentence will be removed.

Why is something seemingly so simple to resolve being made by the government department to be so complicated.

[Tom4784]

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[Ammi]

…the alpaca’s owner, Helen MacDonald has said that she’ll film every moment of his death if this goes ahead and post it on social media …



https://inews.co.uk/news/geronimo-owner-will-film-execution-alpaca-1140981

[smudgie]

…the alpaca’s owner, Helen MacDonald has said that she’ll film every moment of his death if this goes ahead and post it on social media …



https://inews.co.uk/news/geronimo-owner-will-film-execution-alpaca-1140981

Charming.
Poor Geronimo.

[arista]

…the alpaca’s owner, Helen MacDonald has said that she’ll film every moment of his death if this goes ahead and post it on social media …



https://inews.co.uk/news/geronimo-owner-will-film-execution-alpaca-1140981



Yes Front Page
on the Sunday Times I posted.


I will not watch it.

[Ammi]

…a group of ‘March friendly’ alpacas are going to join a protest march….

Alpacas to join march on Downing Street in bid to save Geronimo…

https://news.sky.com/story/alpacas-to-join-march-on-downing-street-in-bid-to-save-geronimo-12376962

[arista]

She was Live on "this morning"



The Lady wants a special new test.
And will accept it.


That Animal is Fit and Well

[Tom4784]

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[Livia]

Claims of TB has been the catalyst for the wholesale slaughter of badgers in this country. The only evidence that they pass on TB to bovines comes from from the National Farmers' Union who, let's face it, have a vested interest. But hey, get the guns!!!

It's about time we took the same kind of stand against scum humans.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/13/09/46632985-9890409-image-a-20_1628843888161.jpg

Week one has gone
Geronimo Fit and well

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/17/00/46753959-9899723-image-a-190_1629157945576.jpg
[The human shield formed at 4pm, when a previous
stay of execution on the eight-year-old animal, expired]

[Geronimo lives to fight another day!
Protesters formed human shield
around alpaca's paddock as owner
awaits High Court decision on his fate]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9899723/Geronimo-lives-fight-day-Protesters-formed-human-shield-alpacas-paddock.html

[Cherie]

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Week one has gone
Geronimo Fit and well

look at him, so gorgeous

[joeysteele]

He doesn't look in the slightest ill that's for sure from both up to date pictures and when she was with him on TV too.

Something seems not right at all here.

[jet]

look at him, so gorgeous

I want him. :love:

[Mystic Mock]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/17/00/46753959-9899723-image-a-190_1629157945576.jpg
[The human shield formed at 4pm, when a previous
stay of execution on the eight-year-old animal, expired]

[Geronimo lives to fight another day!
Protesters formed human shield
around alpaca's paddock as owner
awaits High Court decision on his fate]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9899723/Geronimo-lives-fight-day-Protesters-formed-human-shield-alpacas-paddock.html

Alpaca Lives Matter has made me laugh.:laugh:

[Alf]

If only we cared as much for our fellow humans as some of us do for some animals.

[arista]

It was in the High Court today.

But now they are deciding tomorrow.

Ch5HDnews.

[thesheriff443]

If only we cared as much for our fellow humans as some of us do for some animals.

The problem is most animals are worth more than most humans.

[Glenn.]

It needs euthanising. Don’t quite know why this is even a story

[Kazanne]

If only we cared as much for our fellow humans as some of us do for some animals.

Some humans are hard to care for Alf, animals on the other hand are on another level, Of course I care for my fellow humans but some are just not worthy of care or compassion.

[Kazanne]

The problem is most animals are worth more than most humans.

Aint that the truth sheriff.:wavey:

[Livia]

I'm with Sheriff and Kaz on this one. You don't find animals screwing each other over.

[Kazanne]

Claims of TB has been the catalyst for the wholesale slaughter of badgers in this country. The only evidence that they pass on TB to bovines comes from from the National Farmers' Union who, let's face it, have a vested interest. But hey, get the guns!!!

It's about time we took the same kind of stand against scum humans.

:clap1::clap1:

[Denver]

The Courts says it has to be put down

[Denver]

I'm with Sheriff and Kaz on this one. You don't find animals screwing each other over.

Depends what you mean by screwing? Because the animal world isn't all daisies and skipping like you think

[arista]

The Courts says it has to be put down


Yes she will be on GMBHD itv

[arista]

She was Live on GMBHD itv,
at 7:45AM

That Animal does not have any TB.

[joeysteele]

She was Live on GMBHD itv,
at 7:45AM

That Animal does not have any TB.

Well it appears only her appeal and petition to the Prime Minister can save him now.

I won't be holding my breath.

I agree, it has never looked anything like an unhealthy animal.

This is weeks now it's been on TV with her, she doesn't hide him away.
He's eating, drinking and appears fully alert.
There's something not right here.

Let's see if Johnson decides to save it or not.
It's a shame in my view, the courts didn't at least order a more independent test.
Just to be sure.

[arista]

He could allow the Special Test she wants
that would help him get more votes

[joeysteele]

He could allow the Special Test she wants
that would help him get more votes

Yes that would be the right thing to do in my view.

I'm not a vet obviously but over these weeks of it being on TV with her.
There seems little to nothing wrong with it at all.

So one more just precautionary test to be certain, I don't understand why that CANNOT be done.

[arista]

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[arista]

Police
arrived, helping them take the animal way.


Confirmed, the animal has sadly been put down.

[joeysteele]

All those police cars and police presence to take one animal away to slaughter it.

What a sad thing to see in the 21st century.
Obviously Johnson didn't give a damn, after her strong appeal and petition to him either.
I do feel very sorry for Geronimo's owner.
She tried her hardest and very best.

[arista]

All those police cars and police presence to take one animal away to slaughter it.

What a sad thing to see in the 21st century.
Obviously Johnson didn't give a damn, after her strong appeal and petition to him either.
I do feel very sorry for Geronimo's owner.
She tried her hardest and very best.




Yes Joey it's
a sad day

[Tom4784]

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[smudgie]

I think it had to be done, really. It's a sad situation, but you have to listen to the science.

Exactly.
Not one law for her and another for everyone else.

[Oliver_W]

It's like a communist dictatorship or something, where the state can just take your animals away and kill them.

[bots]

It's like a communist dictatorship or something, where the state can just take your animals away and kill them.

and quite right too, when it is a threat to the health of the population as a diseased animal is. Think mad cow disease and foot and mouth.

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

Police
arrived, helping them take the animal way.


Confirmed, the animal has sadly been put down.

Poor Geronimo.:bawling:

I understand the decision though sadly from the Government's perspective.

[Tom4784]

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[Cherie]

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Quite disgusting, this woman says she is an animal lover she should not have allowed him to be chased by strangers, he was probably terrified...she should have put him calmly in a barn and stood with him and let the vet do his job just like you would with a dog or cat, he had to go it’s a shame but that video is awful

[Oliver_W]

The entitlement is overwhelming in this post.

No, disposing of a diseased animal that poses the threat of an outbreak to other animals is not the mark of a dictatorship.

You are positively serving those Americans that act like mask mandates are akin to the holocaust.
:joker:

Calm down you drama queen

[arista]

The owner and a Expert were live on BBCnewsHD


If only Dezzy watched that

[Cherie]

This has been going on since 2017 :shrug:

[Alf]

Police
arrived, helping them take the animal way.


Confirmed, the animal has sadly been put down.Police state.

[Glenn.]

Quite disgusting, this woman says she is an animal lover she should not have allowed him to be chased by strangers, he was probably terrified...she should have put him calmly in a barn and stood with him and let the vet do his job just like you would with a dog or cat, he had to go it’s a shame but that video is awful

I just see this on the news and thought exactly the same. The way the poor animal was chased around was heartbreaking. The owner should have made the last moments the least terrifying for the animal as possible.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It ran to the owner in desperation

disgusting heartless bungling arseholes chasing it

[Beso]

This has been going on since 2017 :shrug:

Mental torturing of an animal is beyond reproach:nono:

[Tom4784]

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[thesheriff443]

This story was never going to have a happy ending
Maybe the owner didn’t want to lead him to his death after fighting so hard to keep him alive
After all some on here would see him put down long before now.

Did you you slugs scream when they are in pain.

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[Oliver_W]

Says the guy who said the decision to euthanise the animal was akin to something from a dictatorship? Get some self-awareness, hypocrite.

All you seem to do these days is post a stream of personal comments, cool off on that :)

[jet]

Quite disgusting, this woman says she is an animal lover she should not have allowed him to be chased by strangers, he was probably terrified...she should have put him calmly in a barn and stood with him and let the vet do his job just like you would with a dog or cat, he had to go it’s a shame but that video is awful

I agree. Truly heartbreaking. I scrolled past the video, I couldn't bear to watch it. :sad:

[Cherie]

I agree. Truly heartbreaking. I scrolled past the video, I couldn't bear to watch it. :sad:

She was on LBC this am, Nick didn't hold her to account, she kept going on about the idiots chasing after him and that they put a rope around his nose and mouth preventing his airway, yet she let is happen?

At any point she could have intervened and said she would bring him in herself

[Tom4784]

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[Oliver_W]

You called me a drama queen. Again, get some self awareness, hypocrite.

Okay drama queen x

[Tom4784]

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[Oliver_W]

Keep being an unaware hypocrite.

:joker:

[jet]

She was on LBC this am, Nick didn't hold her to account, she kept going on about the idiots chasing after him and that they put a rope around his nose and mouth preventing his airway, yet she let is happen?

At any point she could have intervened and said she would bring him in herself

Horrendous. If the poor animal had to go, at least make sure his end was peaceful. She should have been held to account, absolutely. :bawling:

[Beso]

When do the schools go back?

[Livia]

I'm not sure how the blame for the ridiculous circus that surrounded this animal's last minutes can be placed with his owner who'd fought ceaselessly to save him. You'd think the people who led him away would have some kind of knowledge of animals, but no... It was a grotesque show of power by the government. And the fact that so many cops turned up shows that their priorities are pretty skewed these days.

[joeysteele]

I still feel for the owner too.
She tirelessly tried to save one of her pets I guess really.

I still don't understand why another test couldn't have been done to both satisfy government and the owner of the reliability of said test.

Watching the seizing of Geronimo was near heartbreaking.
The Police presence actually both unnecessary and concerning.
Helping the slaughter of a single animal taking so many police and their vehicles off other duties.

To satisfy a government dept which was only really being asked to do one more independently done reliable test, to be sure.

I wonder if the post mortem on Geronimo were to show he hadn't the condition.
Would we actually be told that as I'm not sure we would.

If they were so sure he had it from 2 other totally reliable tests, why have then any concerns of opening up to a more independent test to confirm it for a third time.
Or was that original testing really as reliable as we were led to believe.

Sad absolutely this whole story is.

I actually agree with Livia's post.
Why now direct fury at the owner, she must have been in panic too and devastated at the heavy handed way, the seizing of Geronimo was enforced.
In fact it should be really worrying.

[Cherie]

I'm not sure how the blame for the ridiculous circus that surrounded this animal's last minutes can be placed with his owner who'd fought ceaselessly to save him. You'd think the people who led him away would have some kind of knowledge of animals, but no... It was a grotesque show of power by the government. And the fact that so many cops turned up shows that their priorities are pretty skewed these days.

I would liken it to when anyone has to put a pet down either due to illness or old age, you know its coming you don't want it to come but you have to do what is best for your pet, you wouldn't let the vet come round and chase your pet round the garden would you :shrug:

The decision was made and even though she didn't agree with it she should not have made a circus out of the poor animals final hours, she knew he was in distress yet just filmed rather than intervening

[MTVN]

There were quite a few people camping out there pledging to 'protect' the animal so I can sorta see why the police were there to make sure nothing kicked off, in the end the Defra officials are just doing their job but might have been met with threats and violence if the police weren't there

I do sort of agree that doing an extra test wouldn't have been too much to ask just to put an end to the whole circus

[arista]

There were quite a few people camping out there pledging to 'protect' the animal so I can sorta see why the police were there to make sure nothing kicked off, in the end the Defra officials are just doing their job but might have been met with threats and violence if the police weren't there

I do sort of agree that doing an extra test wouldn't have been too much to ask just to put an end to the whole circus



Yes, that would have been better