USA Lawsuit accuses royal Prince Andrew

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-us-lawsuit-accuses-royal-of-sexually-abusing-virginia-giuffre-12377669



[A lawsuit has been filed in the US
accusing Prince Andrew of sexually
abusing Virginia Giuffre,
according to one of her lawyers.
Ms Giuffre claims she was a victim of
late financier and convicted
paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

She has previously said she was
made to have sex when she was 17
with Prince Andrew,
who has always categorically denied
any sexual contact or relationship with her.

Ms Giuffre's lawyer, David Boies,
confirmed to Sky News that a lawsuit had been filed
on Monday afternoon in a federal court in Manhattan.

It alleges the prince abused Ms Giuffre
on several occasions when she was under 18.]

[Ammi]

…well then…it’s good that someone is going up against a prominent member of the royal family with such serious allegations….it’s sadly not a criminal case, though….?…it’s a personal lawsuit and still wouldn’t bring any justice/legal answerability as such….

[arista]

…well then…it’s good that someone is going up against a prominent member of the royal family with such serious allegations….it’s sadly not a criminal case, though….?…it’s a personal lawsuit and still wouldn’t bring any justice/legal answerability as such….


They are saying it will go ahead without him there.
It could end up with the Royal Family
paying Cash to her

[Ammi]

They are saying it will go ahead without him there.
It could end up with the Royal Family
paying Cash to her

…I can’t imagine any amount of money that would touch them…it’s obviously something that will feel like some accountability to her if she wins but it still won’t bring any criminal justice…

[rusticgal]

Im delighted as he is most likely guilty of all charges.


Makes me laugh though how the Americans say NOBODY is above the Law when they continue to protect the Diplomats wife...:fist:

[arista]

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9878075/Prince-Andrew-SUED-Virginia-Roberts-claiming-sexually-abused-Jeffrey-Epsteins.html

[bots]

it will end up settled out of court with a gag order applied, so it wont achieve anything other than her getting a bit of cash and his chances of conviction lessened

[Nicky91]

my prayers have been heard and answered, finally something about Andrew the Paedo

of course he's guilty, should've been made public much much sooner



if those royals continue to protect this creep, abolish the monarchy pls

[Crimson Dynamo]

my prayers have been heard and answered, finally something about andrew the paedo

of course he's guilty, should've been made public much much sooner



if those royals continue to protect this creep, abolish the monarchy pls

there is no of course about it

that is mob justice

this is an allegation

[Cherie]

let's see how this one plays out

[Ammi]

let's see how this one plays out

…yeah, no sweat….

[AnnieK]

my prayers have been heard and answered, finally something about Andrew the Paedo

of course he's guilty, should've been made public much much sooner



if those royals continue to protect this creep, abolish the monarchy pls

Yet you are quite happy to trash the allegations against Cuomo and doubt those women??

I'm in no way saying that Andrew is innocent here, I think we all know he most probably isn't, the same way that Cuomo probably isn't

[Nicky91]

just sentence Andrew for life in jail, and in isolation cell and throw away the key pls

[arista]

it will end up settled out of court with a gag order applied, so it wont achieve anything other than her getting a bit of cash and his chances of conviction lessened



Yes could happen

[thesheriff443]

just sentence Andrew for life in jail, and in isolation cell and throw away the key pls

There is still not enough parental control when it comes to posting on the internet.

[thesheriff443]

Unfortunately this is not about Justice but money.

[Ammi]

just sentence Andrew for life in jail, and in isolation cell and throw away the key pls

…that would be doubtful to ever happen, Nicky….in terms of a U.K. criminal system a possibility of ‘Her Majesty’s Prison’ would be something he would never face because his mother is Her Majesty…the legal teams behind the Royals would ensure that would never be a real possibility, I would think….he may be ‘above some laws’ because of who he is, but he isn’t above US law…but even then that’s quite limited because this is a personal lawsuit, not a criminal one…

[Nicky91]

Yet you are quite happy to trash the allegations against Cuomo and doubt those women??

I'm in no way saying that Andrew is innocent here, I think we all know he most probably isn't, the same way that Cuomo probably isn't

where did i defend Cuomo the disgusting pig

[Livia]

Im delighted as he is most likely guilty of all charges.


Makes me laugh though how the Americans say NOBODY is above the Law when they continue to protect the Diplomats wife...:fist:

Haha... so true!


If he's innocent then he has nothing to fear, surely.

[Crimson Dynamo]

where did i defend Cuomo the disgusting pig

In that thread where you repeatedly said the women were all lying to stitch him up. When people called you out on the claims you deleted all your posts and and did a 180 U-turn

[user104658]

Haha... so true!


If he's innocent then he has nothing to fear, surely.

I mean it's sexual assault so if he's guilty as sin there's a 95% chance he still has nothing to fear.

I'd say it's highly likely they'll settle and of course the money really means nothing to the Royals... I suppose on the other hand though, in the eyes of many, settling out of court is often seen as an admission of guilt.

[AnnieK]

In that thread where you repeatedly said the women were all lying to stitch him up. When people called you out on the claims you deleted all your posts and and did a 180 U-turn

I thought I hadn't dreamt that up

[user104658]

In that thread where you repeatedly said the women were all lying to stitch him up. When people called you out on the claims you deleted all your posts and and did a 180 U-turn

https://i.imgur.com/mBlENe4.gif

[Livia]

I mean it's sexual assault so if he's guilty as sin there's a 95% chance he still has nothing to fear.

I'd say it's highly likely they'll settle and of course the money really means nothing to the Royals... I suppose on the other hand though, in the eyes of many, settling out of court is often seen as an admission of guilt.

Oh yeah, it's all about how much justice you can afford.

[AnnieK]

where did i defend Cuomo the disgusting pig


Originally Posted by Nicky91 View Post
Fake News


those women just are attention seeking idiots, for taking advantage of the whole MeToo hype for social media likes, and popularity and sympathy




#IStandwithGovernorCuomo

[Crimson Dynamo]

oop

[Oliver_W]

…well then…it’s good that someone is going up against a prominent member of the royal family with such serious allegations….it’s sadly not a criminal case, though….?…it’s a personal lawsuit and still wouldn’t bring any justice/legal answerability as such….

Yeah that does seem odd ... Maybe it's beyond the statute of limitations?

Or maybe Prince Andrew didn't technically break any laws? Though I can't see how unwanted or forced sex isn't rape ... Maybe the coercion was carried out by Epstein's people, and it was in London she was over the age of consent, which might not teeechnicalllyyyyy mean Andrew broke the letter of the law, if he could plead ignorance to her not wanting it?

Gahh who knows, if the allegations are true he should certainly face more than a civil suit?

[The Slim Reaper]

She's wasting her time, he was munching on some doughballs in pizza express.

[arista]

She's wasting her time, he was munching on some doughballs in pizza express.



Yes,
& he is not sweating.

[user104658]

Yeah that does seem odd ... Maybe it's beyond the statute of limitations?

Or maybe Prince Andrew didn't technically break any laws? Though I can't see how unwanted or forced sex isn't rape ... Maybe the coercion was carried out by Epstein's people, and it was in London she was over the age of consent, which might not teeechnicalllyyyyy mean Andrew broke the letter of the law, if he could plead ignorance to her not wanting it?

Gahh who knows, if the allegations are true he should certainly face more than a civil suit?

It's actually really common to go that route in the US, it's much easier to secure a win in a civil court than to even get a prosecutor to proceed with a case in criminal courts. Basically if the prosecution doesn't think they can build a case that has a reasonable chance of succeeding, they won't take it to court at all because of the cost. But in civil courts you basically have to cover your own costs, or the costs are built into the settlement ("no win no fee") and out of court settlements are thus very, very common... because they're cheaper for the accused (the money going to the accuser might even end up being the same, but the legal costs are MUCH lower).

[Ammi]

Yeah that does seem odd ... Maybe it's beyond the statute of limitations?

Or maybe Prince Andrew didn't technically break any laws? Though I can't see how unwanted or forced sex isn't rape ... Maybe the coercion was carried out by Epstein's people, and it was in London she was over the age of consent, which might not teeechnicalllyyyyy mean Andrew broke the letter of the law, if he could plead ignorance to her not wanting it?

Gahh who knows, if the allegations are true he should certainly face more than a civil suit?

…hmmmmmm…(…I think, Oliver…)…because a civil suit can go through its process without his physical presence there…?…that the criminal one can’t unless he can be questioned first by the FBI/US authorities and that’s something that has apparently been requested of him several times through legal teams with a refusal…isn’t his ‘story’ though that he was never asked and of course he will oblige if he ever is asked…:laugh:…I’m not sure that a criminal case could be pursued without him first being given the opportunity to respond to questioning…/whatever you say can be used in evidence against you etc etc /rights…it’s a different process for a civil/personal case…

[Ammi]

…or similar even to what TS said, flaunting his quick typing skills…

[Oliver_W]

It's actually really common to go that route in the US, it's much easier to secure a win in a civil court than to even get a prosecutor to proceed with a case in criminal courts. Basically if the prosecution doesn't think they can build a case that has a reasonable chance of succeeding, they won't take it to court at all because of the cost. But in civil courts you basically have to cover your own costs, or the costs are built into the settlement ("no win no fee") and out of court settlements are thus very, very common... because they're cheaper for the accused (the money going to the accuser might even end up being the same, but the legal costs are MUCH lower).

…hmmmmmm…(…I think, Oliver…)…because a civil suit can go through its process without his physical presence there…?…that the criminal one can’t unless he can be questioned first by the FBI/US authorities and that’s something that has apparently been requested of him several times through legal teams with a refusal…isn’t his ‘story’ though that he was never asked and of course he will oblige if he ever is asked…:laugh:…I’m not sure that a criminal case could be pursued without him first being given the opportunity to respond to questioning…/whatever you say can be used in evidence against you etc etc /rights…it’s a different process for a civil/personal case…

I see, I see ...

It sucks that this is probably the closest he'll get to facing justice...

[Ammi]

…yeah, no sweat….

Yes,
& he is not sweating.

…been there/ done that, Arista, hun….

[Ammi]

I see, I see ...

It sucks that this is probably the closest he'll get to facing justice...

…yeah, that’s what makes him ‘above the law’ in that those Royal legal teams will never let him go…

[Swan]

Do the UK taxpayers have to fund this, or does it come out of the 'personal' royal kitty? Either way, Andrew will be fine. One rule for them etc

[Ammi]

…it’s probably a bit of a first really and no sexual allegation fund was accounted for…or maybe it was, I don’t know….go fund him fundraiser appeal…well it begins with an ‘f’ anyway, not sure the exact terminology is right….

[Cherie]

The statute of limitations is due to run out apparently

[Tom4784]

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[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

my prayers have been heard and answered, finally something about Andrew the Paedo

of course he's guilty, should've been made public much much sooner



if those royals continue to protect this creep, abolish the monarchy pls

Forget Resident Evil, we've got Resident Paedo if the allegations are true.:joker:

If he is guilty (which in all honesty it doesn't look good for him) then he is a disgrace to the Royal Family.

[Mystic Mock]

…yeah, no sweat….

:joker:

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Yep Andy is finished ...what a year for her Maj

Interesting that Sarah Ferguson is helping him fight his case

[bots]

the lesson is clear. Choose your friends carefully, because the wrong choice can ruin your life, innocent or guilty. He was around Epstein for long enough to know exactly what he was like

[bots]

Yep Andy is finished ...what a year for her Maj

Interesting that Sarah Ferguson is helping him fight his case

he met Sarah at a swiss resort where she was a chalet girl and regularly danced on the tables naked. Koo Stark, his previous girlfriend was a porn star ..... he really doesn't have a good history

[Ammi]

…this is and has all been horrific for Beatrice and Eugenie….allegations of rape/sexual abuse with children against their father….

[Nicky91]

…this is and has all been horrific for Beatrice and Eugenie….allegations of rape/sexual abuse with children against their father….

imagine having a paedo loser as a father :umm2:



hopefully the girls will get support from their mom in all this, whom honestly also must feel awful, having been married to the disgusting perv

[jet]

he met Sarah at a swiss resort where she was a chalet girl and regularly danced on the tables naked. Koo Stark, his previous girlfriend was a porn star ..... he really doesn't have a good history

Not so. Andrew had known Sarah since childhood, where they met frequently at polo matches - her father was Charles's polo manager. She was also a friend of Diana's, who played matchmaker.
Koo wasn't a porn star, she appeared in one film topless, which in those days put paid to her relationship with Andrew when it was revealed.

[jet]

imagine having a paedo loser as a father :umm2:



hopefully the girls will get support from their mom in all this, whom honestly also must feel awful, having been married to the disgusting perv

The girls and their mother have said they believe Andrew and are absolutely standing by him. :shrug:

[Glenn.]

I suppose they have to say that until he’s proven guilty

[jet]

I suppose they have to say that until he’s proven guilty

The Queen, his mother, is also said to believe him and is standing by him, but some have a problem with that.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/12/01/46578469-0-image-a-20_1628727638369.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9885189/Charles-Williams-fears-Prince-Andrew-lawyers-handling-rape-accusation.html

[joeysteele]

With Prince Andrew however it's unlikely he will return to public life, not that it appeared to attract much attention when he was active.

He will have internal duties given to him.
He doesn't need to do any public duties.
He has his own wealth however he wouldn't need to be worrying about income now or in the future.

There's plenty Royal dwellings he can visit, rehax in and be protected from media and outside intrusion into.

He and his former wife Sarah remain on good very friendly terms it's always been said.
He can still see and be involved in hers and his daughters plus their family's lives.

I can't see him ever being made to say anymore now on this matter than he already has done in that interview.

He's not shut away as a prisoner, nor should he be if he hasn't yet been proven guilty..
However why he wouldn't want to be out there, showing his determination to clear any gossip surrounding him on this, doesn't look good at all for him.
Nor does the Monarch and the Royal establishment, cocooning him from all of this look anything other than unsavoury either.

[Glenn.]

The Queen, his mother, is also said to believe him and is standing by him, but some have a problem with that.

Again, she kinda has to say that doesn’t she…

[jet]

Again, she kinda has to say that doesn’t she…

No she doesn't. Maybe they all do believe him, and if they don't, they could just say 'no comment' or do the famous 'never complain, never explain'. :shrug:

[arista]

London Police Chief Dame Cressida Dick
says no one is above the law?


But this is a USA Civil Case that had to be done
as time was running out.


They can ask for cash,
thats it.

[user104658]

No she doesn't. Maybe they all do believe him, and if they don't, they could just say 'no comment' or do the famous 'never complain, never explain'. :shrug:

I'm not sure so I'll just have to ask you here jet -
Has the queen made a statement of support yet?
The usual "no comment", as far's I can see
Is exactly how things are, and do seem to be?

[Marsh.]

"The Queen makes public statement of support for H&M" Well, she's just being classy, really they've ruined her life and she hates them.

"The Queen makes no comment on Andrew at all" She supports him and that must count for something.

[jet]

"The Queen makes public statement of support for H&M"

I don't recall any public statement of support for H&M from the Queen. Support them in what?
Remind me.

[Mystic Mock]

No she doesn't. Maybe they all do believe him, and if they don't, they could just say 'no comment' or do the famous 'never complain, never explain'. :shrug:

The Royal Family are trying to save his ass.

[bots]

Prince Andrew has asked a New York court to dismiss a legal action brought against him by Virginia Giuffre.

The Duke of York's lawyers said the "baseless lawsuit" should be dismissed because Ms Giuffre failed to sufficiently outline her claims against him.

Ms Giuffre, 38, has accused Prince Andrew of sexually assaulting her when she was 17 and a minor under US law.

The Queen's 61-year-old son has consistently denied the allegations.

If a dismissal is not granted, Ms Giuffre should provide a "more definitive statement" of her allegations, lawyers for Prince Andrew said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59099346
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More wriggling from Andrew. It's not up to him to say whether there is sufficient evidence or not

[arista]

"More wriggling from Andrew"




Pathetic

[rusticgal]

The more he tries to wriggle the more guilty he looks. If you are totally innocent wouldnt you just want to prove yourself innocent instead of trying to nick pick for a dismissal.