Texas really hates women's rights

[Tom4784]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

if that is what the people of texas want who are we to question democracy in action?

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[Marsh.]

6 weeks. :joker:

So basically the point when many women still don't know they're pregnant. What a bloody useless cut off point.

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[user104658]

6 weeks. :joker:

So basically the point when many women still don't know they're pregnant. What a bloody useless cut off point.

They'd literally have to be treating it like covid "lateral flow testing" and take a test every week just to make sure.

[Marsh.]

They'd literally have to be treating it like covid "lateral flow testing" and take a test every week just to make sure.

:joker:

[Marsh.]

AND anyone who helps a woman get an abortion is liable to be sued by anyone who knows for $10k.

Were you an uber driver that dropped a woman off at an abortion clinic and some busybody fancied a paycheque? You're now $10k in debt and even if you win, you'll still have to pay legal fees while they don't if they win.

Also anyone can sue you, doesn't have to be related to a random person at all.

It's insane, a complete disregard of human rights. It's positively Salem-esque.

Absolutely craziness. I don't know why I'm surprised, and yet I am.

[Beso]

It's a civil law, one requiring members of the public to report the crime.

[Niamh.]

Yep backwards the world is going on women's rights lately that's for sure. This is offensive and harmful

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[Mitchell]

Absolutely disgusting.

[Niamh.]

Backstreet abortions and women dying in lanes just like the 60's yay

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[arista]

May the Lord open.



Yes Dezzy
Texas has been like that forever

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[arista]

Except it hasn't because this law has just passed.


Live on BBCnewsHD now
Washington


The least wealthy will suffer they say
unable to cross borders

[arista]

Backstreet abortions and women dying in lanes just like the 60's yay




Doubt it, no one will as Dezzy has stated
the new Texas Law will stop that

[Swan]

Those pesky white Texans!!!
(btw, nothing like this happens elsewhere)

[user104658]

Doubt it, no one will as Dezzy has stated
the new Texas Law will stop that


“The law will stop illegal abortions” :think:

[Captain.Remy]

It's like...we are not exactly surprised but still disappointed.

[user104658]

if that is what the people of texas want who are we to question democracy in action?

Es ist zeit für säuberung eh LT :idc:.

[Livia]

Es ist zeit für säuberung eh LT :idc:.

Die Welt brennt, Frauen haben mancherorts keine Macht oder Rechte ... Aber in Texas beginnt die Reinigung?

[user104658]

Die Welt brennt, Frauen haben mancherorts keine Macht oder Rechte ... Aber in Texas beginnt die Reinigung?

If I say I'm beginning a career as an arsonist today by burning down one house, does that mean there aren't other arsonists in the world setting larger fires, or that it's OK for me to burn that house? If I go ahead and burn that house, would you not be concerned about me later deciding to burn the street?

Regardless, my only point was that "we shouldn't question democracy in action" isn't really a viable stance, given the number of historic examples we have of democracy in action leading to horrendous outcomes.

[Livia]

If I say I'm beginning a career as an arsonist today by burning down one house, does that mean there aren't other arsonists in the world setting larger fires, or that it's OK for me to burn that house? If I go ahead and burn that house, would you not be concerned about me later deciding to burn the street?

Regardless, my only point was that "we shouldn't question democracy in action" isn't really a viable stance, given the number of historic examples we have of democracy in action leading to horrendous outcomes.

That's quite a dramatic analogy, TS. We're talking about democracy and women's rights in Texas. Women can step into 49 other states without leaving the country. And while I don't agree with the legislation, not one bit... I wonder that it called for a German quote. I take it you were referring to the clean ups at the beginning of the Holocaust. And how that relates to this story is quite beyond me.

[user104658]

That's quite a dramatic analogy, TS. We're talking about democracy and women's rights in Texas. Women can step into 49 other states without leaving the country. And while I don't agree with the legislation, not one bit... I wonder that it called for a German quote. I take it you were referring to the clean ups at the beginning of the Holocaust. And how that relates to this story is quite beyond me.

I was referring to LT suggesting that we shouldn't "question the democractic decision of the people" when there are stark historic examples of the democratic decisions of the people having shocking outcomes, and using the fact that the Nazis were democratically voted into power in Germany as the most obvious example of why it's perfectly valid to question a democratic vote as being likely to have good outcomes, and that often it's not possible to see the true endgame until the votes have already been counted.

With regards to out-of-state abortions... there are mechanisms that could be used to make that illegal too, and regardless, the practicalities and costs of doing so mean that it's only an option for those who can afford it - when the majority of people seeking abortions are likely to be young, economically disadvantaged, or both... i.e. the very people who have neither the funds nor the practical means to travel out-of-state.

[Captain.Remy]

I thought some states/places refuse abortions if you're out of your state? I remember seeing this on the news years ago but not sure if it's still (unfortuantely) relevant today.

[Oliver_W]

Jesus H.

Obviously there does need to be a limit, but six weeks?!

[Niamh.]

Jesus H.

Obviously there does need to be a limit, but six weeks?!

In a lot of cases you wouldn't even know you're pregnant at 6 weeks

[bots]

in terms of intent it's following the taliban doctrine of subjugating women in the name of religion. It may not be as brutal yet, but it requires the same way of thinking.

[Crimson Dynamo]

“Our creator endowed us with the right to life and yet millions of children lose their right to
life every year because of abortion,” Abbott said in a bill signing ceremony, captured on
videos posted on social media. The Legislature "worked together on a bipartisan basis to
pass a bill that I'm about to sign that ensures that the life of every unborn child who has a
heartbeat will be saved from the ravages of abortion.”

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/05/18/texas-heartbeat-bill-abortions-law/

[Cherie]

in terms of intent it's following the taliban doctrine of subjugating women in the name of religion. It may not be as brutal yet, but it requires the same way of thinking.

Exactly

[Niamh.]

in terms of intent it's following the taliban doctrine of subjugating women in the name of religion. It may not be as brutal yet, but it requires the same way of thinking.

Absolutely.

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[Niamh.]

And a lot of these "pro lifers" are the same people who look down on single mothers and complain about them claiming benefits. What do they think happens to all these babies? And it's almost always men who will NEVER be in the situation who want to force women to go through with unwanted pregnancies

[Cherie]

Is the morning after pill available in Texas?

[Cherie]

And a lot of these "pro lifers" are the same people who look down on single mothers and complain about them claiming benefits. What do they think happens to all these babies? And it's almost always men who will NEVER be in the situation who want to force women to go through with unwanted pregnancies

I think we should put runaway Dads on the wall :laugh:

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[Niamh.]

I think we should put runaway Dads on the wall :laugh:

mmhhmm maybe instead of this bill, they could give men reversible vasectomies so they stop accidentally impregnating women :think:

It's not about protecting life, it's about restricting control.

These people don't give a **** once a baby is born. Texas has a high rate of child poverty and the like and this will only make it worse by forcing women into giving birth and into debt by the act of doing so when they don't want to.

It's a vile predatory law and it's something I'd expect from a less developed country, not one of the biggest states in the US.

Yep. The great David Attenborough said it best :

“Wherever women are given political control of their bodies, where they have the vote, education, appropriate medical facilities and they can read and have rights and so on, the birth rate falls – there’s no exceptions to that.”

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[Nicky91]

Texas and Hungary can shake hands now then :facepalm:

[Niamh.]

Yup, and that's a good thing. We shouldn't restrict women's rights to turn them into baby factories when so many children go without as is. It's why I never intend to have my own kids, really, if I ever decide I want children, I'll look to adopt or foster. I don't need to bring more children into the world when there's plenty that go without parents.

I really admire anyone who Fosters children, it must be such an emotionally difficult thing to do but probably very rewarding also

[The Slim Reaper]

Y'all Qaeda at it again. Might actually be a good thing in the long run as people get to see the reality of this 17th century mindset.

When a doctor can get a longer jail sentence for aborting a pregnancy forced by rape, than the actual rapist, then there are some stark societal issues at play here.

[Niamh.]

Y'all Qaeda at it again. Might actually be a good thing in the long run as people get to see the reality of this 17th century mindset.

When a doctor can get a longer jail sentence for aborting a pregnancy forced by rape, than the actual rapist, then there are some stark societal issues at play here.

Yeah. That is the truth.

[bots]

if an uber driver happens to drop off a woman at/near an abortion clinic, they can get done for aiding and abetting

[Oliver_W]

if an uber driver happens to drop off a woman at/near an abortion clinic, they can get done for aiding and abetting

Wait, for real?! Wtf...

[Crimson Dynamo]

has anyone in the thread been to Texas??

[Marsh.]

has anyone in the thread been to Texas??

I don't know. There's one who pretends to have though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't know. There's one who pretends to have though.

how on earth do you know where people have been?



jesus wept

:facepalm:

[Marsh.]

how on earth do you know where people have been?



jesus wept

:facepalm:

Calm down love.

[DouglasS]

has anyone in the thread been to Texas??

It’s amazing there LT - everyone is so friendly

[DouglasS]

I don't know. There's one who pretends to have though.

:joker:

Don’t be bitter that you’re untravelled - perhaps work hard and save up some money and go?

[Marsh.]

:joker:

Don’t be bitter that you’re untravelled - perhaps work hard and save up some money and go?

Oh dear, someone thinks they did something there. :joker:

I'll let you get back to the lab, Einstein. :pat:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It’s amazing there LT - everyone is so friendly

So many Mexicans want to visit too

[Captain.Remy]

has anyone in the thread been to Texas??

I have been there for work 5 years ago. Port of Houston first then met some customers in Dallas. We took the road from Houston to Dallas and on the way back I asked not to take the highway to see some country.
And boy, stuff was happening on the side of those lost roads :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have been there for work 5 years ago. Port of Houston first then met some customers in Dallas. We took the road from Houston to Dallas and on the way back I asked not to take the highway to see some country.
And boy, stuff was happening on the side of those lost roads :joker:

Thanks capt

:douf:

[Tom4784]

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[DouglasS]

Oh dear, someone thinks they did something there. :joker:

I'll let you get back to the lab, Einstein. :pat:

Nah you thought you did something and I responded, don’t mix up reality :laugh:

Thanks, it does feel great being a publisher author in science - but I accomplished that and have moved onto others things, thanks for the praise though, I am flattered :clap1:

[DouglasS]

Except for when it comes to women's and voter's rights, it seems.

But I'm sure it's lovely in between turning pregnant women into bounties and forcing victims of rape to give birth to their rapist's child if they don't happen to find out they're pregnant within a period of time that few people could have an inkling they are.

You’ve not visited or met the people though? You’re basing this off articles and laws made by a minority of people? Way to tarnish a whole county of people without ever visiting

[DouglasS]

I don't think I'd care about going to Gilead, tbh, can see why it's up your street though.

Wel maybe Texas doesn’t want you either? People there were very positive and so enthusiastic and warm. It is right up my street, I’d happily move there, the music, the atmosphere, the greenery, the food

[Marsh.]

Nah you thought you did something and I responded, don’t mix up reality :laugh:


Did you though? You really thought my original comment was about.... you?

Oh dear. :laugh2:

[Mystic Mock]

Except for when it comes to women's and voter's rights, it seems.

But I'm sure it's lovely in between turning pregnant women into bounties and forcing victims of rape to give birth to their rapist's child if they don't happen to find out they're pregnant within a period of time that few people could have an inkling they are.

I agree with you on the last part, it's a dodgy practice to force rape victims to go through with giving birth to a rapist's child if they don't want to, I feel like that's gonna **** up the woman's mental health but I might be being OTT in saying that.

[Alf]

If this pisses off snowflakes then it's OK with me.

That was my impression of Dezzy

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[Alf]

Rent. Free.No, I have to pay.

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[DouglasS]

Let's take that logic and apply it elsewhere shall we?

'You've not visited Afghanistan or met the Taliban though? You're basing this off articles and laws made by a minority of people? Way to tarnish a whole country of people without ever visiting.'

You should feel very dumb for trying to make out you can't criticise the laws of a country (or county in this case) that infringe upon human rights if you haven't visited the place in general.

I'm sure you thought the people were lovely but it doesn't change the fact they continue to vote in governors and lawmakers that sign abusive laws into being. That makes Texas a garbage place and anyone who votes for these human rights abusers are garbage people, no, not people, scum. That's a better word.

Yes comparing Texas to third world countries is such a great comparison. You can criticise the laws but you’re tarnishing the entire county full of people. Almost all countries/counties have laws that impact people differently, perhaps they will be voted out in the next election, but at the same time tarnishing so many people as scum must get tiresome, do you not have frown lines by now?

The people of Texas are the nicest people I’ve met :clap1:

[DouglasS]

Did you though? You really thought my original comment was about.... you?

Oh dear. :laugh2:

Yes I have that impact :clap1:

I am flattered that people included you talk about me / stalk me offsite in all honesty, because i really don’t think about you :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Yes I have that impact :clap1:

I am flattered that people included you talk about me / stalk me offsite in all honesty, because i really don’t think about you :laugh:

Well you and your fragile ego can erroneously think whatever you like.

I don't think about you at all. :pat:

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[Marsh.]

Kinda ironic that he says that when he'll respond to people without prompt about how he's been to Texas or that he's a published scientific writer. For someone who says he isn't all that bothered, he certainly seems keen on trying to impress people.

:laugh: Kinda tragic, isn't it.

[Niamh.]

has anyone in the thread been to Texas??I have

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[Alf]

All my ex's live in Texas, that's why I hang my hat in Tennessee.

[DouglasS]

Kinda ironic that he says that when he'll respond to people without prompt about how he's been to Texas or that he's a published scientific writer. For someone who says he isn't all that bothered, he certainly seems keen on trying to impress people.

1) the threads about Texas

2) Marsh mentioned my scientific research in a comment saying go back to the lab and then called me the name of a scientist, I didn’t bring it up randomly.

Thank You, next :laugh:

[Marsh.]

You randomly responded to me in a post that had nothing to do with you.

Anyway, you're boring me now. Have a nice evening.

[Amy Jade]

I've been to Texas and absolutely loved it, I have to agree with Dezzy though this law is outrageous and frightening.

I can't say I would ever want to visit again knowing this either. Too backwards for me to wish to visit.

[Denver]

For a state that is full of minority races that have been on the worse side of discrimination from the USA it surprises me how they feel the need to then go and discriminate

[Oliver_W]

For a state that is full of minority races that have been on the worse side of discrimination from the USA it surprises me how they feel the need to then go and discriminate

Mexico is the country with the second highest population of Catholics (following Brazil), and Latin America in general is majority Catholic. Catholicism has a dim view of abortion, and as a religion probably aligns more with the Republicans than Dems.

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[Captain.Remy]

I've been to Texas and absolutely loved it, I have to agree with Dezzy though this law is outrageous and frightening.

I can't say I would ever want to visit again knowing this either. Too backwards for me to wish to visit.

Yeah me too, I'm glad I don't work with Texas anymore tbh

[Beso]

Do you ever get bored of defending bigotry and human rights abuse?

I will call Texas scum until these abuses of democracy and human rights are repealed and you can get as twisted as you like about it. Talking about frown lines, you must be in a terrible state from all the time you spend getting so upset over my opinions.

Bit daft to call a place scum, but I suppose it's all you've got left now you've basically called the entire worlds population scum in one way or another.

[Alf]

Just seen this on twitter and I assume it's something to do with what this thread is about so I thought I'd post it.

Sing and dance along if you like.




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[Josy]

It's absolutely disgusting just how backwards it is.

Also read a twitter post yesterday about it and the poster was saying how terrible it is and that 'people with a uterus should be allowed to make their own choices'

Yeah that'll be women then ffs

[Niamh.]

It's absolutely disgusting just how backwards it is.

Also read a twitter post yesterday about it and the poster was saying how terrible it is and that 'people with a uterus should be allowed to make their own choices'

Yeah that'll be women then ffs

Yes people with Penises shouldn't have a say :hee:

[Glenn.]

It’s extremely backwards but then that is Texas for you!

[Ashley.]

Men have absolutely no business deciding what women should be doing with their lives, especially when it comes to something they cannot and will never experience. Also - if you're arguing that women should simply "be more careful" - your reductionism is noted. Perhaps educate yourselves on some of the reasons why a woman might be looking to have an abortion in the first place before you comment on what they should be doing to avoid it.

[Beso]

Have the trans people dipped their big toes in the debate in america yet?

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[Livia]

has anyone in the thread been to Texas??

Yes, my husband is Texan. He's not Jewish though...

[Alf]

A bit of Stevie, with some Texas blues.


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[Jessica.]

I bet nobody who voted on this has a license to foster or donates to group homes full of children or volunteers at women's shelters.. I bet nobody backing it in this thread does any of that either. Pro-pregnancy is not the same as pro-life, because those little lives will grow up broken if their parents are forced to bring them into the world.

[Livia]

I bet nobody who voted on this has a license to foster or donates to group homes full of children or volunteers at women's shelters.. I bet nobody backing it in this thread does any of that either. Pro-pregnancy is not the same as pro-life, because those little lives will grow up broken if their parents are forced to bring them into the world.

You have no idea what anyone in this thread does or doesn't do.

Abortion's only been legal in Portugal for 12 years, before which time you could be thrown into jail for three years for trying to get an abortion. And even now the cut off is 10 weeks.

Anyone who wants to use their time fighting Texas while FGM and child marriage exists, good luck with that.

[jet]

You have no idea what anyone in this thread does or doesn't do.

Abortion's only been legal in Portugal for 12 years, before which time you could be thrown into jail for three years for trying to get an abortion. And even now the cut off is 10 weeks.

Anyone who wants to use their time fighting Texas while FGM and child marriage exists, good luck with that.

Good point Livia.

[user104658]

Anyone who wants to use their time fighting Texas while FGM and child marriage exists, good luck with that.

I disagree with this... as many horrific examples of abuses as there are out there in the world, sensibly you have to save most of your concerns for the ones that you can realistically affect, and that realistically affect you. Thus, at the very least, Texans themselves and Americans in general should understandably be very concerned about these new laws and put more energy into fighting them.

There's also realistically more chance of the UK following the US when it comes to political and cultural changes than the Middle East or Africa ... so yes I think it's perfectly reasonable for people in the UK to be more urgently concerned about incoming abortion laws to the West of us than they are about child marriage and FGM to the East.

[Niamh.]

I disagree with this... as many horrific examples of abuses as there are out there in the world, sensibly you have to save most of your concerns for the ones that you can realistically affect, and that realistically affect you. Thus, at the very least, Texans themselves and Americans in general should understandably be very concerned about these new laws and put more energy into fighting them.

There's also realistically more chance of the UK following the US when it comes to political and cultural changes than the Middle East or Africa ... so yes I think it's perfectly reasonable for people in the UK to be more urgently concerned about incoming abortion laws to the West of us than they are about child marriage and FGM to the East.

Yes exactly. Also, it's not a very good argument to say that you can't speak or be concerned about one thing because there's something else over there that's worse.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ben and his take on this

I7MNCav8UGo

[Niamh.]

I don't think it's just "leftists" that agree with abortion LT.

[bots]

it's religion plain and simple, together with the need to subjugate. Anyone trying to claim otherwise is lying

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't think it's just "leftists" that agree with abortion LT.

In the video he is taking it to specific "leftists" and their arguments so I dont think it means all people who oppose abortion but i did not write it.

[Niamh.]

In the video he is taking it to specific "leftists" and their arguments so I dont think it means all people who oppose abortion but i did not write it.

I'll listen to the video later, can't atm

[user104658]

Ben and his take on this

I7MNCav8UGo

He didn't do a very good job, he's outlined that Texas has used a legal technicality/loophole to create an anti-abortion mechanism that circumvents the established legality of such laws. That it was possible to do so is a failure of the US legal system, but it doesn't "end" any argument against it at all. The way it's been done, as described by Shapiro, is dodgy as ****.

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[Niamh.]

it's religion plain and simple, together with the need to subjugate. Anyone trying to claim otherwise is lying

When we had the abortion referendum here a few years back, I found from speaking to people about it beforehand that those who were the most "pro life" were people who had no clue or experience in what taking responsibility for raising a child and bringing a child into the world really meant. A lot were men too. I was shocked by how many much older women (mass goers) voted pro choice.

[user104658]

In the video he is taking it to specific "leftists" and their arguments so I dont think it means all people who oppose abortion but i did not write it.

He describes how the legal arguments people are making against it don't fly because of the way Texas has (deliberately) set this up using loopholes that quite blatantly fall outside of the way one would normally expect such laws to operate (i.e. they abuse civil liability proceedings to create a pseudo-enforcement mechanism that circumvents the Roe vs Wade precedent but achieves the same outcome in effect).

He's succeeded in signposting me to the fact that the situation is actually worse than what I had assumed.

[Alf]

Yikes!

Please tell me nobody on here agrees with this psychopath?



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[Cherie]

Yikes!

Please tell me nobody on here agrees with this psychopath?



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:umm2:

[The Slim Reaper]

Yikes!

Please tell me nobody on here agrees with this psychopath?



1526070969164521472

Whole load of nonsense even asking these questions, as absolutely no one on earth is campaigning or wanting murder made legal, so I expect she just refused to play her stupid games.

[Jordan.]

Yikes!

Please tell me nobody on here agrees with this psychopath?



1526070969164521472

Depends if you think she was legitimately answering the questions or just dismissing the interviewer. Common sense would say the latter.

[Alf]

Depends if you think she was legitimately answering the questions or just dismissing the interviewer. Common sense would say the latter.She looked fairly legitimate, I don't know her character so I just have to take her as meaning it at this point.

[UserSince2005]

don't mess with texas bitch.

[Oliver_W]

Does it matter if she was "real" or if people agree with her? Some people think abortions should be allowed at 7+ months, or that the world was created by a skydaddy ... Neither belief has any validity, but also both beliefs are held by a lot of people.

[bots]

i don't think the woman being asked the question is blessed with much grey matter and the other side did that interview to stitch her up and put womens rights down. It's so obviously a setup

[Alf]

i don't think the woman being asked the question is blessed with much grey matter and the other side did that interview to stitch her up and put womens rights down. It's so obviously a setupAll she had to say was "no I don't agree with that" to the question that already born children should be terminated, it's not difficult to say that to that question, but she answered the question by saying more or less the opposite to that. Her answer was that she believes a woman should have the right to take a child's life even at two years old.

[bots]

she was singled out and used for propaganda, and its obvious to me she has a learning problem

[Cherie]

She’s should have said you are just being silly now and shut the interviewer down, the interviewer got what she wanted

[ThomasC]

Backwards country who also still allows death penalty.

Abortion is a women's choice imo as long as it is done for the right reasons.