Anti-vaxx demonstrators clash with Police at medicines regulator's HQ

[arista]

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[Protesters scuffle with police officers during the protest outside the MHRA building today]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9955013/Anti-vaxx-mob-clashes-police-Canary-Wharf.html


[Scotland Yard then confirmed several police officers
had been injured,
saying: 'A number of protesters have become
violent towards police.
Four of our officers have been injured during clashes.
This is unacceptable. We remain on scene.']

[Crimson Dynamo]

disgraceful that all these qualified Epidemiologists are causing trouble, you would think that 6 years of medical study would lead them down a more structured path?

[Alf]

Again, I'll challenge your headline.

Where is the proof that these people are Anti vaccine?

When you see other protests, do you use the headline "pro-vaxx protesters?"

You use the term anti-vaxx to try to make out these people are evil, as though being anti-vaxx is somehow a crime and not a free choice.

[arista]

Again, I'll challenge your headline.

Where is the proof that these people are Anti vaccine?

When you see other protests, do you use the headline "pro-vaxx protesters?"

You use the term anti-vaxx to try to make out these people are evil, as though being anti-vaxx is somehow a crime and not a free choice.

4 coppers in Hospital.

Its a headline made from the DM link


Take a Simple Look at them
No Masks. All Very Close

It was on GBNewsHD
SkyNewsHD
BBC1 London news
ITV1HD news
as a Gang of Anti Vaxxers

[Livia]

Luddites.

[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

Why would people be protesting for the vaccine when it's widely available and encouraged? Silly argument.

People who are anti-vaxx are deeply stupid people, they are worthless human beings who risk other people's health for their own satisfaction and they'll act like doctors are the villains but they'll flood the hospitals when they get struck down by Covid because they don't trust doctors to treat them with the Vaccine but they sure as hell will trust them when their lives are in peril. Arrogance and stupidity are a terrible combination.

If someone is anti-vaxx, they're pro-disease. End of. They're scum for endangering other people with their selfishness.Unluckly for you and lucky for the rest of us, you don't make the rules, and what you say is only important in your own mind.

[Alf]

4 coppers in Hospital.

Its a headline made from the DM link


Take a Simple Look at them
No Masks. All Very Close

It was on GBNewsHD
SkyNewsHD
BBC1 London news
ITV1HD news
as a Gang of Anti Vaxxers"No masks and all very close"

Why arne't they all dying then if there's a pandemic? They've been maskless, unvaxed and very close for most weekends for over a year now, why arne't they all dropping dead?

[The Slim Reaper]

Who knew that a decade of telling people not to trust experts would backfire?

[Alf]

Who knew that a decade of telling people not to trust experts would backfire?Why, who's been declaring themselves as experts?

[Alf]

Is Matt Hancock one of the experts?

[Alf]

Phil and Holly, surely they're the experts?

[Oliver_W]

Who knew that a decade of telling people not to trust experts would backfire?

I'm not sure what you're referring to?

[Alf]

Who knew that a decade of telling people not to trust experts would backfire?What would the experts say to my question in post number 8 of this thread?

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm not sure what you're referring to?

Here is Michael Gove

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXo1sAoWsAELiMp.jpg

So the chickens of filling peoples heads with this nonsense, to convince them reality is fake, in order to lie people into brexit, are coming home to roost.

[The Slim Reaper]

What would the experts say to my question in post number 8 of this thread?

Probably that covid is completely different to Zyclon B, and won't result in people falling on the floor, grasping for air within a few minutes. Covid is also being restricted by the folks with common sense, isolating and getting vaccinated.

[Alf]

Here is Michael Gove

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXo1sAoWsAELiMp.jpg

So the chickens of filling peoples heads with this nonsense, to convince them reality is fake, in order to lie people into brexit, are coming home to roost.Are you still stuck on Brexit? It was 2016 and the country made a decision. We've moved on.

[The Slim Reaper]

Are you still stuck on Brexit? It was 2016 and the country made a decision. We've moved on.

How have we when we live under it's consequences every day? Empty shelves, fishing and farming decimated, weatherspoons even running out of beer, driver shortages, manufactured NHS crisis that will eventually lead to the full privatisation. The list goes on and on.

[Alf]

How have we when we live under it's consequences every day? Empty shelves, fishing and farming decimated, weatherspoons even running out of beer, driver shortages, manufactured NHS crisis that will eventually lead to the full privatisation. The list goes on and on.Has anything else big or major happened in the last couple of years that could have played a part in some of those things you claim?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I go to the supermarkets all the time and i have never seen empty shelves and the Weatherspoon's down the road is heaving as per. The local farmers are all operating as normal driving their 21 plate Defenders?

[The Slim Reaper]

Has anything else big or major happened in the last couple of years that could have played a part in some of those things you claim?

Something that has also happened in the EU? Something that hasn't provided EU countries with any of the issues I've described? The issues we knew were going to happen if we went ahead with it? If anything, Covid has done brexit a massive favour by existing.

[Nicky91]

i sooo do not relate to these anti-vaxx lunatics


i seriously doubt they all like me have valid reasons for refusing the vaccine




somehow my nation's PM Rutte i consider one of those idiots either, it is that he had been vaccinated, maybe more with force than out of free will for propaganda towards the public, but he was sooooo eager to let go of face mask compulsory, and basically any sort of measure now :idc:

[Alf]

i sooo do not relate to these anti-vaxx lunatics


i seriously doubt they all like me have valid reasons for refusing the vaccine




somehow my nation's PM Rutte i consider one of those idiots either, it is that he had been vaccinated, maybe more with force than out of free will for propaganda towards the public, but he was sooooo eager to let go of face mask compulsory, and basically any sort of measure now :idc:Do you want to know what their valid reason is?

It's freedom. The freedom to choose whether they want to inject something into their body. That's their valid reason.

[Oliver_W]

Do you want to know what their valid reason is?

It's freedom. The freedom to choose whether they want to inject something into their body. That's their valid reason.

No-one's forcing them to get the jab.

[Oliver_W]

Here is Michael Gove

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXo1sAoWsAELiMp.jpg

So the chickens of filling peoples heads with this nonsense, to convince them reality is fake, in order to lie people into brexit, are coming home to roost.

Eh, Brexit and Covid are different things. Membership of a neoliberal globalist organisation is a different kettle of fish to a fatal disease (in some ways). People disbelieving in Covid and vaccines in general isn't necessarily a consequence of Brexit-related disillusionment toward the Establishment.

[Alf]

No-one's forcing them to get the jab.Can they travel wherever they please if they're unvaxed?

Are some places such as clubs, concerts and others threatening to not allow access without being vaccinated?

Nobody may be physically forcing them, yet, but they're getting looked at as second class citizens. So I can see why they'd be protesting. They only get one life and people are interfering in theirs.

[The Slim Reaper]

Eh, Brexit and Covid are different things. Membership of a neoliberal globalist organisation is a different kettle of fish to a fatal disease (in some ways). People disbelieving in Covid and vaccines in general isn't necessarily a consequence of Brexit-related disillusionment toward the Establishment.

And I din't say anything about any of that, just that we've had people in power telling everyone that experts are know-nothings, and then we see Galahads storming the castle. Nothing happens in a vacuum, Oliver.

[Oliver_W]

Can they travel wherever they please if they're unvaxed

Are some places such as clubs, concerts and others threatening to not allow access without being vaccinated.

Nobody may be physically forcing them, yet, but they're getting looked at as second class citizens. So I can see why they'd be protesting. They only get one life and people are interfering in theirs.

I seem to remember several people defending businesses right to decline services to whoever they choose.

If cake makers who are religious are allowed to decline to make gay wedding cakes (this should be allowed btw), why shouldn't businesses be allowed to decline people who aren't vaccinated?

[Alf]

I seem to remember several people defending businesses right to decline services to whoever they choose.

If cake makers who are religious are allowed to decline to make gay wedding cakes (this should be allowed btw), why shouldn't businesses be allowed to decline people who aren't vaccinated?Because the cake shop didn't sell gay cakes. It's like complaining that the butchers doesn't sell bananas when you really want a banana.

This is personally excluding people simply because they don't want to inject something into their body.

[Oliver_W]

And I din't say anything about any of that, just that we've had people in power telling everyone that experts are know-nothings, and then we see Galahads storming the castle. Nothing happens in a vacuum, Oliver.

I thank you not to demean my bae Michael Palin by using the name of his character as a condescending nickname for flagshaggers #MichaelBaelin
https://64.media.tumblr.com/86ebc9ca4ab183b1fdc00aff5014278d/tumblr_n9ubmqTpZr1qzub73o1_250.gifv

And frankly some "experts" are fricken morons :joker: I've never been one to just follow the appeal-to-authority mindset, especially when most of those in authority need their heads examining.
BUT when virtually every doctor and epidemiologist says the same thing, those nutters should either shut up and take notice, or quietly decide to shoot their own foot by not getting the vaccine, but also not go to stupid protests.

[Oliver_W]

Because the cake shop didn't sell gay cakes. It's like complaining that the butchers doesn't sell bananas when you really want a banana.

This is personally excluding people simply because they don't want to inject something into their body.

There's no such thing as a gay cake. There are wedding cakes, and gay people can get married. A wedding is a wedding. Doesn't mean the baker should be made to provide a service to someone they don't want to, but a cake is a cake.

[The Slim Reaper]

I thank you not to demean my bae Michael Palin by using the name of his character as a condescending nickname for flagshaggers #MichaelBaelin
https://64.media.tumblr.com/86ebc9ca4ab183b1fdc00aff5014278d/tumblr_n9ubmqTpZr1qzub73o1_250.gifv

And frankly some "experts" are fricken morons :joker: I've never been one to just follow the appeal-to-authority mindset, especially when most of those in authority need their heads examining.
BUT when virtually every doctor and epidemiologist says the same thing, those nutters should either shut up and take notice, or quietly decide to shoot their own foot by not getting the vaccine, but also not go to stupid protests.

And when one set of experts are dismissed, then they all are. Why do you think there is such a "I did my own research" movement about covid and the vaccine, to the stage where horse de-wormer is now being used, rather than the free and easy vaccine.

The same folks that will eat Kebabs after 20 pints are suddenly worried about what they are re-fuelling their temples with :laugh:

[Nicky91]

Do you want to know what their valid reason is?

It's freedom. The freedom to choose whether they want to inject something into their body. That's their valid reason.

:laugh3: :laugh3:

that alone is not a valid reason though


those lunatics should think, are we socializing people, yes or no and answer to most of those is yes definitely, so everyone who socializes needs to get the jab


my reason is a valid one, since i do not go to stinking nightclubs, restaurants, festivals, sports events etc

[Alf]

There's no such thing as a gay cake. There are wedding cakes, and gay people can get married. A wedding is a wedding. Doesn't mean the baker should be made to provide a service to someone they don't want to, but a cake is a cake.Then when you asked me the question, why did you use the phase "gay wedding cakes" if you knew there was no such thing as a gay cake?

[Cherie]

How did we get from Anti vaxers to gay cakes in 2 pages :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

How did we get from Anti vaxers to gay cakes in 2 pages :laugh:

we added a pinch of Brexit and hey presto

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[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

How entitled must you be to think you should have the freedom to enter private property without any conditions? The owner of a venue, a club or pub or anything of the sort has a right to make decisions to protect the health of their staff and customers and if they say you can't enter THEIR property unless you're vaccinated then it's down to them.

Anti-vaxxers are not second class citizens, they are ignoring science to fuel their own fake victimhood and they are the architect of their own suffering. People who choose to endanger others by not vaccinating themselves in a global pandemic when there's no health reasons to do so are deserving of every self inflicted misery that falls upon them. Absolute bottom feeders.How entitled must you be?

It's got nothing to do with being entitled, it's discriminating against people simply because they refuse to take medication, it's medical tyranny. It's no different to stopping someone from entering their business simply for the colour of their skin. It's treating them like second class citizens, no different to only allowing people to sit at the back of the bus.

Trust you to be on side with that.

[Alf]

How entitled must you be to think you should have the freedom to enter private property without any conditions? The owner of a venue, a club or pub or anything of the sort has a right to make decisions to protect the health of their staff and customers and if they say you can't enter THEIR property unless you're vaccinated then it's down to them.

Anti-vaxxers are not second class citizens, they are ignoring science to fuel their own fake victimhood and they are the architect of their own suffering. People who choose to endanger others by not vaccinating themselves in a global pandemic when there's no health reasons to do so are deserving of every self inflicted misery that falls upon them. Absolute bottom feeders."Ignoring Science" you say?

So what? They're free to ignore it if they want to do so, who are you, Dr Mengle? Pin em' down and inject em, shall we?

Is it OK if religious people discriminate against you for ignoring God?

[Nicky91]

How entitled must you be?

It's got nothing to do with being entitled, it's discriminating against people simply because they refuse to take medication, it's medical tyranny. It's no different to stopping someone from entering their business simply for the colour of their skin. It's treating them like second class citizens, no different to only allowing people to sit at the back of the bus.

Trust you to be on side with that.

"Ignoring Science" you say?

So what? They're free to ignore it if they want to do so, who are you, Dr Mengle? Pin em' down and inject em, shall we?

Is it OK if religious people discriminate against you for ignoring God?

if God did exist, there would've been no pandemics at all, or warfare or slavery or racism, or homophobia

there is no god, or jesus or allah or adam/eve bull**** stories


those ''god lovers'' also continued to go to church last year, when it was forbidden to allow 100 or more people in indoors :skull:

[Alf]

if God did exist, there would've been no pandemics at all, or warfare or slavery or racism, or homophobia

there is no god, or jesus or allah or adam/eve bull**** stories


those ''god lovers'' also continued to go to church last year, when it was forbidden to allow 100 or more people in indoors :skull:But just like you have the freedom to not believe in religious ideology, other people should be granted the same freedom as you not to believe in the science.

The alternative is to force them into it, do you recommend that action?

[AnnieK]

Are people being forced though? I don't think so. They have the option to get vaccinated or not. There may be some restrictions on whether they can do certain things without the vax currently but they have the option to weigh it up.

If they catch the virus and are sadly admitted to hospital, I am sure they will trust the science then to use medicines to help them get better. If they don't trust the science of the vax, thats fine but they have to accept that the restrictions are there to protect the many.

[Alf]

Are people being forced though? I don't think so. They have the option to get vaccinated or not. There may be some restrictions on whether they can do certain things without the vax currently but they have the option to weigh it up.

If they catch the virus and are sadly admitted to hospital, I am sure they will trust the science then to use medicines to help them get better. If they don't trust the science of the vax, thats fine but they have to accept that the restrictions are there to protect the many.It's those restrictions you mention what are discriminatory and therefore, that is the reason they're out there protesting.

You do understand why they're there, don't you?

[Alf]

It's amazing that when it comes to terminating life, people scream "my body, my choice" But when they think it might possibly affect them, they drop that principle in a shot.

[Oliver_W]

And when one set of experts are dismissed, then they all are.
Not neeecessaaaarillyyyyyyyyyyyy. You could find some nominal experts who build a case that climate change is a hoax, and they'd have the soiled parchment and other accolades to prove their "expertise". But regardless of how clever they are and what authority figures have given them certificates to prove it, they can be wrong.

Why do you think there is such a "I did my own research" movement about covid and the vaccine, to the stage where horse de-wormer is now being used, rather than the free and easy vaccine.
tbh I think we're very nearly on the same hymn sheet with this one - or at least a different sheet in the same hymn book :joker:

Then when you asked me the question, why did you use the phase "gay wedding cakes" if you knew there was no such thing as a gay cake?
It's not a "gay cake", it's a wedding cake for a gay wedding.

Do you not see the difference between denying someone service based on bigotry and denying someone service because they pose a health risk? Does that need explaining to you? Really?

You aren't going to 'catch the gay' by serving gay people, but your staff and your customers certainly risk catching covid if a pro-disease arsehole spreads their germs about.

It shouldn't really need explaining, It's basic and obvious to anyone with a few braincells.

Calm down you loonie. I didn't say the validity of the reasons for denying the service were equal, I said that businesses should be allowed to deny service to anyone they want.

[AnnieK]

It's those restrictions you mention what are discriminatory and there for, that is the reason they're out there protesting.

You do understand why they're there, don't you?

I don't believe they are discriminatory though. It's a free will choice and those restrictions will be lifted if they take the vax. They have choices....

I have a friend who has not taken the vax. He spent years taking Class A drugs cutbwith with god knows what but now is worried what is in a tested vaccine? Makes no sense to me but it is his choice.

They have the right to protest but the safety of the majority will hopefully prevail.

[AnnieK]

It's amazing that when it comes to terminating life, people scream "my body, my choice" But when they think it might possible affect them, they go against that principle.

I don't know anyone and haven't read anywhere that they are trying to mandate the vaccine. Personal choice is still there....their body, their choice :shrug:

[Alf]

I don't believe they are discriminatory though. It's a free will choice and those restrictions will be lifted if they take the vax. They have choices....

I have a friend who has not taken the vax. He spent years taking Class A drugs cutbwith with god knows what but now is worried what is in a tested vaccine? Makes no sense to me but it is his choice.

They have the right to protest but the safety of the majority will hopefully prevail.So the restrictions will only be lifted if they do as they're told? Until then, they will live as second class citizens with restrictions in their life.

Sounds like oppressive bullying to me.

[arista]

Are people being forced though? I don't think so. They have the option to get vaccinated or not. There may be some restrictions on whether they can do certain things without the vax currently but they have the option to weigh it up.

If they catch the virus and are sadly admitted to hospital, I am sure they will trust the science then to use medicines to help them get better. If they don't trust the science of the vax, thats fine but they have to accept that the restrictions are there to protect the many.


Yes, no one is Forced


Too many have died and wish they had the vaccines,
thats the shocking thing that Alf
ignores.

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[Alf]

Imagine comparing choosing to ignore science and endangering others in a time of a pandemic to being discriminated against because of skin colour. You are a deluded racist if you think that comparison is valid. What an entitled little man with such a huge victim complex.

Anti-Vaxxers are not Rosa ****ing Park. They are ignorant people who are deeply selfish and think they have the right to spread disease about.

If you are anti-vaxx, don't expect you have the right to pose a danger to other people by thinking you are entitled to force your germs on private businesses.Don't need to imagine it, it's reality. Just because you believe there should be an heirachy when it comes to what discrimination is, just because you think some animals are more equal then others, doesn't mean that it's not on the same level as any other oppressive discrimination.

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[Alf]

Why, who has complained about having driving licences?
I'm under the impression that everyone agrees with driving licences. But not every one agrees with vaccines. That's the difference and why your comparison in your attempt to defend the taking away of your fellow citizens freedoms is flawed.

[Alf]

You don't know what discrimination is and you'll never experience it and that makes you sad because you desperately want to be a victim.

You made a choice to be pro-disease in a pandemic and other people made the choice to protect themselves by not wanting to associate you.

You choosing to cheerlead for a deadly virus is not the same as discrimination against race.

God, it's hard to believe I'm talking with someone older than I am, I feel like I'm talking to a slow child.Yeah, I don't know what it is, but I suppose you do? I'll never experience it but you will?

Not much in it for me, but you do well out of it.

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[Nicky91]

thinking it takes away someone's freedom, while people still have 99% of their freedoms

[Alf]

I was just wondering where the line falls. If you oppose vaccine passports, do you think real passports are opposing people's freedoms too? Driving a car without a license is dangerous, choosing to be unvaccinated and demanding you get to inflict yourself on others is dangerous. Anti-vaxxers pretend to be all about freedoms so I'm wondering how far they'd go with it.



Just goes to show how deluded you are and how you've truly never experienced discrimination to think that anyone who has does well for being discriminated against.

No, I've not done well by being discriminated against. LGBT people have not done well by having to live life being careful just in case they fall foul of violent bigots, We've not done well by legitimately having less rights and protections than straight people. We don't do well by having to grapple with the fact that, throughout childhood, we fear might not have a home or a family if they knew who we really were.

You have never known discrimination and it shows, if you had to walk a day in our shoes, you would ****ing break because you don't know how easy you have it.But if they inflict it on you then you're protected by your vaccine anyway, so what's the big deal? Unless you don't trust that your vaccine is effective? In which case, what's the point in taking it?

[AnnieK]

Have you been vaxxed Alf? Serious question so I can understand where you're coming from. If not, why don't you trust it? What specifically about this covid 19 vaccine don't you trust? What aboit other medicines? Do you trust them, if so why not trust the vaccine? If you contracted the virus, would you trust the medical professionals to help you if you needed to be hospitalised? I know a few people who have not taken it and not one of them can, or are willing, to answer these questions.

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[Alf]

I was just wondering where the line falls. If you oppose vaccine passports, do you think real passports are opposing people's freedoms too? Driving a car without a license is dangerous, choosing to be unvaccinated and demanding you get to inflict yourself on others is dangerous. Anti-vaxxers pretend to be all about freedoms so I'm wondering how far they'd go with it.



Just goes to show how deluded you are and how you've truly never experienced discrimination to think that anyone who has does well for being discriminated against.

No, I've not done well by being discriminated against. LGBT people have not done well by having to live life being careful just in case they fall foul of violent bigots, We've not done well by legitimately having less rights and protections than straight people. We don't do well by having to grapple with the fact that, throughout childhood, we fear might not have a home or a family if they knew who we really were.

You have never known discrimination and it shows, if you had to walk a day in our shoes, you would ****ing break because you don't know how easy you have it.So basically you started by saying I'm playing the victim and then in the next breath you tell me that it's impossible for me to be the victim. But you are privileged enough to claim victim status.

Like I said, there's not much in it for me. So I wouldn't vote it favour of that, I'd vote against anyone who was standing on that as law.

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[Alf]

The vaccine is effective in that I won't die, but why should I run the risk of getting infected because of some anti-vax dumbass thinking they have the right to inflict their **** on other people? What of people who cannot take the vaccine? **** them, I suppose because anti-vaxxers are all about themselves after all because there's no bigger injustice then potentially being turned away from a pub because you read on facebook that the vaccine is full of evil nanobots so that Bill Gates can read your mind!Why should you run the risk of walking down your stairs? You could slip and fall down them and break your neck.

Why should you run the risk of putting your kettle on? There could be a faulty wire that could give you an electric shock and kill you.

Why should you run the risk of walking on a pavement next to a main road? A driver could pass out at the wheel and veer on to the pavement and run you over.

Why should you run the risk of travelling on a airplane to go abroad? It could crash and that would be curtains.


Life is full of risks around ever corner and that will always be the case. You either live your life with risks in it or you live in fear and lock yourself away.

[Alf]

You think being discriminated against is a privilege, that's how you show everyone that you've never suffered discrimination. You're angry because you're a bigot and you're being held responsible for it when before you never were.

God, how much of a sociopath are you to think that it's a privilege to be a victim of discrimination? That it affords you some sort of benefit? It's ****ed up that you think 'Gee, if I'm discriminated against, I can use that as some sort of manipulative tool to gain an advantage!' Sociopathic behaviour, if you were smart you'd be dangerous, but thankfully you aren't.No, I think that you think that being a victim of discrimination is a privilege.

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[Alf]

According to you, I could never be discriminated against.

So my question is, what is your definition of discrimination? And if your definition ever happens to me, then why couldn't I claim it to be discrimination?

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[Alf]

Because you are the majority. You're a straight white man, when it comes to discrimination, you'll never truly face it. You've never had to fight for rights that other people have, you've never been a second class citizen, you've never truly known struggles that non-white or non-straight people have.

You should consider yourself lucky that you've never had to worry about discrimination and that you've had rights that other people of your generation have not from birth but here you are, acting jealous like being a victim of hate is somehow a super power.

So ****ing childish.So if I want to claim I've been discriminated against, would I have to move to a country that isn't majority White, or do I still not get to claim it?

[Alf]

This is fascinating stuff.

[Alf]

Anybody else think that Dezzy's definition of discrimination is discriminatory in itself, or is it just me?

[AnnieK]

I think its just you Alf. Unless you have an example of how you have been discriminated? The vax issue isn't discriminatory as its a choice. You are not been stopped doing anything....you have made a choice that may come with restrictions but you are able to change that if you want to.

People who face regular discrimination be it for the colour of their skin, their sexuality or gender are not able to choose those factors.

[Alf]

I think its just you Alf. Unless you have an example of how you have been discriminated? The vax issue isn't discriminatory as its a choice. You are not been stopped doing anything....you have made a choice that may come with restrictions but you are able to change that if you want to.

People who face regular discrimination be it for the colour of their skin, their sexuality or gender are not able to choose those factors.I haven't claimed to have been discriminated against, although I probably have at some point in my life. I'm talking about Dezzy's definition that It's impossible for me to ever be discriminated against simply because my skin colour is White.

[Alf]

I think its just you Alf. Unless you have an example of how you have been discriminated? The vax issue isn't discriminatory as its a choice. You are not been stopped doing anything....you have made a choice that may come with restrictions but you are able to change that if you want to.

People who face regular discrimination be it for the colour of their skin, their sexuality or gender are not able to choose those factors.Also, where do you have the information that I haven't taken the vaccine from? How would you know my medical situation, I've never put it out on here. I may have taken the vaccine or I may not have, you'll never find out that information, so just deal in facts and not assumptions.

[Alf]

So, anyway, back to thread topic.

These protesters are out there protesting for you and your freedoms, whether you like that or not or whether you want them too or not. These are your people, your fellow citizens, the ones you are all in this together with.

[Cherie]

I haven't claimed to have been discrinated against, although I probably have at some point in my life. I'm talking about Dezzy's definition that It's impossible for me to ever be discriminated against simply because my skin colour is White.

An astounding claim :joker:

[AnnieK]

Also, where do you have the information that I haven't taken the vaccine from? How would you know my medical situation, I've never put it out on here. I may have taken the vaccine or I may not have, you'll never find out that information, so just deal in facts and not assumptions.

I asked you the question on the previous page. I assumed by you ignoring that that you didn't want to say :shrug:

I was talking in the royal "you" as you have claimed people who haven't taken the vax is discriminatory. I don't believe it is.

I couldn't care less if you have taken it or not....your actions mean very little to me as it is unlikely we would ever cross paths.

I should have made the point clearer with the royal "you" but whether you have had it or not is no concern, I asked you the question in the previous page as you seem so bothered by it and I have asked others and they haven't answered, thought you may give your opinion.

Not arsed either way....was trying to have an adult discussion that's all Alf.

[AnnieK]

So, anyway, back to thread topic.

These protesters are out there protesting for you and your freedoms, whether you like that or not or whether you want them too or not. These are your people, your fellow citizens, the ones you are all in this together with.

No, they are protesting for THEIR freedoms and the freedoms of those who have chosen not to take a vaccine. The majority have those freedoms as they have listened to the science and want to protect their fellow citizens. They are not protesting for me.

[Alf]

I asked you the question on the previous page. I assumed by you ignoring that that you didn't want to say :shrug:

I was talking in the royal "you" as you have claimed people who haven't taken the vax is discriminatory. I don't believe it is.

I couldn't care less if you have taken it or not....your actions mean very little to me as it is unlikely we would ever cross paths.

I should have made the point clearer with the royal "you" but whether you have had it or not is no concern, I asked you the question in the previous page as you seem so bothered by it and I have asked others and they haven't answered, thought you may give your opinion.

Not arsed either way....was trying to have an adult discussion that's all Alf.Don't worry Annie, I have no problem with you, you're one of the good ones. I don't agree with you much on some issues, but I still admire and respect you as a person.

I think you just got in the line of fire there, whilst I was on a roll.

[AnnieK]

Don't worry Annie, I have no problem with you, you're one of the good ones. I don't agree with you much on some issues, but I still admire and respect you as a person.

I think you just got in the line of fire there, whilst I was on a roll.

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[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

OK, I'm ignorant and privliged, how should I feel about that, should I feel shame?

[Tom4784]

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