Roy Chubby Brown Sheffield Live Show - Stopped

[arista]

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Why stop him
loads wanted to see him
even Women.


[Sheffield City Trust, which runs the venue
stopped his gig]

[Crimson Dynamo]

some little woke oik wanted to make a name for themselves

[arista]

some little woke oik wanted to make a name for themselves


But they do not go to see him Live

[arista]

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Bang On Right, Angela

[user104658]

NGL I thought he was dead, so really, having his show cancelled is a win for him in my books.

[arista]

NGL I thought he was dead, so really, having his show cancelled is a win for him in my books.



They Keep Stopping his Live Shows

[arista]

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[Alf]

Excluded was he? How very inclusive of Sheffield City Hall. Such an inclusive establishment, I bet they promote how inclusive they are, obviously, as we can see, that would be a lie if they did.

Chubby's crime? Attempting to entertain people by making them laugh.

[Mystic Mock]

Why did they cancel his Show?

[Nicky91]

Why did they cancel his Show?

there must be a good reason for cancelling his show, otherwise if a wrong decision it could be turned back i think

[Tom4784]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Why did they cancel his Show?

Fear of blame by either the venue or council

[Mystic Mock]

Private owners of a hall decided they didn't want to play host to a racist, it's their choice to do so.

Okay I don't know much about this guy, so I'm genuinely curious when I ask this question.

What's he said that's racist?

[user104658]

Okay I don't know much about this guy, so I'm genuinely curious when I ask this question.

What's he said that's racist?

I tried googling and found a few interviews. Honestly, just the usual thick-as-mince stuff... like the comments section of a DM article about Brexit. Nothing unique or clever or controversial or cutting... just bog standard stuff.

Are we sure his show was cancelled because it's too "controversial", and not just because it's dated, recycled, and unfunny?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I tried googling and found a few interviews. Honestly, just the usual thick-as-mince stuff... like the comments section of a DM article about Brexit. Nothing unique or clever or controversial or cutting... just bog standard stuff.

Are we sure his show was cancelled because it's too "controversial", and not just because it's dated, recycled, and unfunny?

It sells out as he has a reliable and enthusiastic fan-base

If you read the utter VS bollocks coming out this ladies mouth you may get a better idea

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/no-place-for-any-hate-filled-performance-sheffield-mp-backs-decision-to-cancel-roy-chubby-brown-show-3371130

[Alf]

Okay I don't know much about this guy, so I'm genuinely curious when I ask this question.

What's he said that's racist?He's a national treasure who has been packing out places like Sheffield City Hall for decades. He's a blue comedian, he tells blue jokes. Says a lot of C words in his act, but his fans, who he has many of all over the World, love his act.

So somebody has decided that needs to be stopped because it will make them feel better about themselves to stop it, stuff his fans, the public, they don't get a say in it, the silly peasants. .

[The Slim Reaper]

He's a national treasure who has been packing out places like Sheffield City Hall for decades. He's a blue comedian, he tells blue jokes. Says a lot of C words in his act, but his fans, who he has many of all over the World, love his act.

So somebody has decided that needs to be stopped because it will make them feel better about themselves to stop it, stuff his fans, the public, they don't get a say in it, the silly peasants. .

He hasn't been stopped.

[Alf]

He hasn't been stopped.Was "cancelled" the word you wanted to hear instead?

[Tom4784]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Was "cancelled" the word you wanted to hear instead?

Use whatever word you want, but he hasn't been cancelled or stopped. It's a venue funded by the public, so they are free to not want someone who'll tell a load of "jokes" about the diverse group of folks that help fund it.

There are plenty of privately funded venues available for him to perform at.

[arista]

Why did they cancel his Show?


Labour MP put the boot in.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-gZVJ5WUAEwg1E?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

No one is stopping him from doing his act, he just doesn't have the right to use someone else's property if they don't want him to. It's quite easy to understand.


By letting him Go live
would be good for the region.

[user104658]

By letting him Go live
would be good for the region.

how? :think:

[arista]

how? :think:


Showing
All are Welcome


They could check his script

[Tom4784]

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[arista]

By welcoming a comedian that indulges in homophobic and racist routines? Wow! So inclusive!



But to be fair
we do not know what his 2021 gig is like


Could be no Racism now

[Crimson Dynamo]

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City of Sanctuary?

more woke rubbish that means nowt

:joker:

[The Slim Reaper]

But to be fair
we do not know what his 2021 gig is like


Could be no Racism now

:joker:

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[arista]

:joker:

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Nice Dog searching for the Woke Bone
to chew to bits

[Jordan.]

Nothing but respect for the Sheffield City Trust, the people were concerned and they rightfully nixed it :clap1:

[arista]

I hope he goes live on GMBHD itv
tomorrow, early.

[arista]

Nothing but respect for the Sheffield City Trust, the people were concerned and they rightfully nixed it :clap1:


They are making trouble.

[LaLaLand]

I saw him live before a few years back and he’s mostly just crude in his offensiveness. No race/sexuality jokes came up that I recall.

Wasn’t anywhere near as bad as Jimmy Carr or Frankie Boyle when I saw them. How they get away with some of their material and manage to sustain careers on TV I’ll never know. :omgno:

[arista]

I saw him live before a few years back and he’s mostly just crude in his offensiveness. No race/sexuality jokes came up that I recall.

Wasn’t anywhere near as bad as Jimmy Carr or Frankie Boyle when I saw them. How they get away with some of their material and manage to sustain careers on TV I’ll never know. :omgno:



Thank you for helping Slim and Dezzy.

[Alf]

Nothing but respect for the Sheffield City Trust, the people were concerned and they rightfully nixed it :clap1:What if the some other people were concerned about a gay pride event, should those people have the equal amount of power as these people, to cancel the event. Or should those people have less power?

[Nicky91]

What if the some other people were concerned about a gay pride event, should those people have the equal amount of power as these people, to cancel the event. Or should those people have less power?

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[Jordan.]

What if the some other people were concerned about a gay pride event, should those people have the equal amount of power as these people, to cancel the event. Or should those people have less power?

Homophobes shouldn't be given power, you shouldn't need to be told that.

[Alf]

The generation who claim and virtue signal how inclusive they are, always seem to be cheering on someone being excluded.

That's why your politics always gets trounced at the ballot box.

[arista]

Homophobes shouldn't be given power, you shouldn't need to be told that.


A Great poster has posted
went to one of his recent gigs



No Sex /Race jokes now



Please get up to date
Slick Jordan

[Alf]

Homophobes shouldn't be given power, you shouldn't need to be told that.Why, what has happened that was homophobic?

Maybe these hypophetical people want it cancelled for reasons that arne't homophobic. Maybe the organiser of it uses vulgar language like Chubby Brown does. If that's a legitimate reason to exclude Chubby, then surely it's a legitimate reason to cancel any event?

[Nicky91]

Why, what has happened that was homophobic?

Maybe these hypophetical people want it cancelled for reasons that arne't homophobic. Maybe the organiser of it uses vulgar language like Chubby Brown does. If that's a legitimate reason to exclude Chubby, then surely it's a legitimate reason to cancel any event?

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Rather perhaps it would be good to have a performance, on the night he was due to
appear, by the amazing range of talented musicians, comics and performers, who have
made their lives in Sheffield from abroad, whether as refugees or migrants. That would be
real talent, not cheap hate.

Terry Fox Labour Leader of the Council

:joker:

https://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk/news/people/letter-great-news-that-chubby-brown-has-finally-been-axed-from-performing-his-show-3367184

[Jordan.]

Why, what has happened that was homophobic?

Maybe these hypophetical people want it cancelled for reasons that arne't homophobic. Maybe the organiser of it uses vulgar language like Chubby Brown does. If that's a legitimate reason to exclude Chubby, then surely it's a legitimate reason to cancel any event?

Sure, the day any of that hypothetical in your head actually happens we'll make sure pride is cancelled if that makes you feel better?

[Alf]

Sure, the day any of that hypothetical in your head actually happens we'll make sure pride is cancelled if that makes you feel better?It's not about making me feel better, I feel great already. it's about making life fair for everyone, and shining a light on the tyrants and bullies in our society.

[Mystic Mock]

Thanks to the members that have explained the situation to me.

My opinion from what I'm hearing here is let him still do the gig, but maybe dial down the more controversial jokes.

Imo Comedy is meant to be shocking to some extent, obviously I probably need to see one of his gigs to tell if he is more of a Seth MacFarlane or more of a Jim Davidson where the latter does genuinely come across as very intolerant of certain groups of people.

But if it's more of a Seth MacFarlane routine then the Sheffield Venue would be out of order.

[Cherie]

I saw him live before a few years back and he’s mostly just crude in his offensiveness. No race/sexuality jokes came up that I recall.

Wasn’t anywhere near as bad as Jimmy Carr or Frankie Boyle when I saw them. How they get away with some of their material and manage to sustain careers on TV I’ll never know. :omgno:

Nice to hear from someone who has actually been to a live show...!

He isn’t my cup of tea but then neither are Morecombe and Wise...each to their own

[Jordan.]

It's not about making me feel better, I feel great already. it's about making life fair for everyone, and shining a light on the tyrants and bullies in our society.

I don't think many would disagree with that? However pride events not getting shut down because of scenarios that haven't even happened isn't a genuine example of unfairness.

[Alf]

I don't think many would disagree with that? However pride events not getting shut down because of scenarios that haven't even happened isn't a genuine example of unfairness.But sometimes in life you have to use hypophetical situations to explain your point. It's not a bad thing, it's just a method of explaining something.

[Alf]

Nice to hear from someone who has actually been to a live show...!

He isn’t my cup of tea but then neither are Morecombe and Wise...each to their ownYou should be banned from the town of Morecambe for that comment.

[arista]

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[arista]

"Thousands have petitioned for Roy Chubby Brown to play in Sheffield,"

Its a real shame they stopped him

[Marsh.]

Whether his material is offensive or not, it's not funny.

[Tom4784]

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[smudgie]

Chubby Brown is an obnoxious twit. Not just on stage either.:fist:
He was cancelled at his local venue, then all of a sudden it was just a postponement, after someone on the council left.

[GoldHeart]

Never liked him or his style of "comedy" anyway , so i don't really care if they cancel his shows.

[Livia]

I'm not a fan of his comedy but the venue cancelling because they don't like his jokes... sounds about right these days. As others have mentioned in this thread, Frankie Boyle and Jimmy Carr are both guilty of the worst, most obnoxious humour. And pop stars followed by very young girls - Selina Gomez for example - with foul language warnings on their albums... and don't get me started on Naked Attraction, Love island, Married at First Sight.

People obviously don't have enough to do these days so they spend their time sticking their beak into other people's business and making decisions for other adults.

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fun-facts: Kim Jong-Un’s North Korea has lists of state-approved jokes<br><br>Telling jokes about Hitler in Nazi Germany was punishable by death<br><br>Islamists have shot dead creators of cartoons they don’t like<br><br>Now Labour is getting a taste for censoring jokes they don’t like. Bad move <a href="https://t.co/iS9k6EHuww">https://t.co/iS9k6EHuww</a></p>&mdash; Martin Daubney ✌🏻🇬🇧 (@MartinDaubney) <a href="https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1434788336200298497?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Marsh.]

Fgs one venue exercising their right compared to Nazi Germany. :laugh2:

[arista]

Yes Martin
get it on GMBHD itv

[Alf]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fun-facts: Kim Jong-Un’s North Korea has lists of state-approved jokes<br><br>Telling jokes about Hitler in Nazi Germany was punishable by death<br><br>Islamists have shot dead creators of cartoons they don’t like<br><br>Now Labour is getting a taste for censoring jokes they don’t like. Bad move <a href="https://t.co/iS9k6EHuww">https://t.co/iS9k6EHuww</a></p>&mdash; Martin Daubney ✌🏻🇬🇧 (@MartinDaubney) <a href="https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1434788336200298497?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>"Diverse, welcoming city"

That just happens not to welcome Chubby Brown and his fans. Not really that diverse and welcoming are they. This person is telling porkies.

[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

It's downright anti-semitic to compare the horrors of Nazi Germany and the suffering of Jews to this.

The owners of the Hall decided they didn't want this comedian performing there, it is within their rights to do so. Lots of children throwing their toys out of the pram in this thread.They're lying when they claim to be diverse and welcoming though, as we can see here. They're obviously not.

[Beso]

They would be worried incase he mentioned the muslim grooming gangs

[Nicky91]

I'm not a fan of his comedy but the venue cancelling because they don't like his jokes... sounds about right these days. As others have mentioned in this thread, Frankie Boyle and Jimmy Carr are both guilty of the worst, most obnoxious humour. And pop stars followed by very young girls - Selina Gomez for example - with foul language warnings on their albums... and don't get me started on Naked Attraction, Love island, Married at First Sight.

People obviously don't have enough to do these days so they spend their time sticking their beak into other people's business and making decisions for other adults.

careful what you say about Selena Gomez :nono:

[Tom4784]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

has anyone got any clips of his recent shows where he is being a racist with humour?

[Cherie]

I saw him live before a few years back and he’s mostly just crude in his offensiveness. No race/sexuality jokes came up that I recall.

Wasn’t anywhere near as bad as Jimmy Carr or Frankie Boyle when I saw them. How they get away with some of their material and manage to sustain careers on TV I’ll never know. :omgno:

has anyone got any clips of his recent shows where he is being a racist with humour?

.

[Alf]

Ah the old 'you're not accepting and diverse unless you accept someone's bigotry' argument.

Nah, bigots can choke.The correct response should have just been to say "Yeah, you're right Alf"

[Tom4784]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Jimmy Carr is playing sheffield

https://www.sheffieldcityhall.co.uk/event/jimmy-carr-26-march-2022

[Jordan.]

Fgs one venue exercising their right compared to Nazi Germany. :laugh2:

Life's victims thinking they're truly hard done by because this country doesn't stand for intolerance joke or not.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Alf]

Nah, I'll stick with 'bigots can choke'.But these people who you are defending are the bigots, they're being prejudice against Chubby's act. So some bigots you side with and some you don't.

[Tom4784]

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[user104658]

Telling the difference between satire and actual bigotry isn't really all that difficult. I wonder, do those who seem not able to do it really not know the difference? Or are they simply pretending when it suits to do so?

Reminds me of the people who think something like South Park "is being racist" when Token is repeatedly shot by the police, or "is being antisemitic" when Cartman marches through the streets dressed as Hitler.

i.e. completely missing the point.

I'm not a huge Jimmy Carr fan - I think (like Frankie Boyle, actually) he leans too heavily into "shock value" in his comedy, but he is essentially a satirist. The likes of Royston Vasey and Jim Davidson are just ... not.

Speaking of his real name... I have to imagine that the reason the creators of The League of Gentlemen (satirists) called their fictional town "Royston Vasey" flies completely over the heads of those people.

[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

Expecting people who think that a show being cancelled at a venue is akin to Nazi germany to know the difference between satire and bigotry is asking too much.Nazi Germany didn't happen overnight. There was stepping stones.

[Oliver_W]

You are the one downplaying the holocaust by continually referring to thousand who died, when it was millions.
Technically, millions is thousands :joker: but a lot of them.

Nazi Germany didn't happen overnight. There was stepping stones.

A better comparison is communism. "Even" now China bans media which depicts people questioning authority, ghosts, and recently, effeminate men.

And China is the nation which organisations (and especially Hollywood) feel the need to bend the knee to in order to get money.

There aren't any Nazis any more (not counting the odd nazi cosplayer who gets radicalised online) but there are communists.

[Tom4784]

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[Niamh.]

Deleted loads of posts in here. Back on topic please

[Crimson Dynamo]

Telling the difference between satire and actual bigotry isn't really all that difficult. I wonder, do those who seem not able to do it really not know the difference? Or are they simply pretending when it suits to do so?

Reminds me of the people who think something like South Park "is being racist" when Token is repeatedly shot by the police, or "is being antisemitic" when Cartman marches through the streets dressed as Hitler.

i.e. completely missing the point.

I'm not a huge Jimmy Carr fan - I think (like Frankie Boyle, actually) he leans too heavily into "shock value" in his comedy, but he is essentially a satirist. The likes of Royston Vasey and Jim Davidson are just ... not.

Speaking of his real name... I have to imagine that the reason the creators of The League of Gentlemen (satirists) called their fictional town "Royston Vasey" flies completely over the heads of those people.

In Fact Roy Chubby Brown was in series 2. fun fact

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[The Slim Reaper]

Technically, millions is thousands :joker: but a lot of them.



A better comparison is communism. "Even" now China bans media which depicts people questioning authority, ghosts, and recently, effeminate men.

And China is the nation which organisations (and especially Hollywood) feel the need to bend the knee to in order to get money.

There aren't any Nazis any more (not counting the odd nazi cosplayer who gets radicalised online) but there are communists.

You keep pretending that far right is far left. We've had this discussion a few times already, and you continually prove you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Oliver_W]

You keep pretending that far right is far left. We've had this discussion a few times already, and you continually prove you have no idea what you're talking about.
Do you think China is far right? I'm more really sure what you're responding to.

[The Slim Reaper]

Do you think China is far right? I'm more really sure what you're responding to.

No, China is't far right. It's actually a really interesting (in terms of study) mix of capitalism, authoritarianism, and communism.

[Oliver_W]

No, China is't far right. It's actually a really interesting (in terms of study) mix of capitalism, authoritarianism, and communism.

Okay, but I still don't know what your response to my earlier post was talking about? It didn't relate to anything I said.

[user104658]

In Fact Roy Chubby Brown was in series 2. fun fact

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I'm aware of that but not sure what your point is.

[The Slim Reaper]

Okay, but I still don't know what your response to my earlier post was talking about? It didn't relate to anything I said.

Well for starters, we've had discussions on Marxism before, and you had absolutely no idea what any of it meant, and now you're trying to make out that you know the ins and outs of communism, whilst at the same time saying Nazi's don't exist? It's jumbled up nonsense.

I'm not a communist. but I have an understanding of what the discussion is, at least. If you don't know what ideologies are, then perhaps you shouldn't be making things up.

[Oliver_W]

whilst at the same time saying Nazi's don't exist?

Where are they?

[Alf]

Where are they?Australia

[The Slim Reaper]

Where are they?

National Socialism is an ideology, and there are nazi groups all around the world. Are you saying there were no Nazi's in Germany until Hitler was invited into government?

Neo-Nazi groups are even on the rise in Germany.

[Crimson Dynamo]

More than 24,000 people have signed a petition against the cancellation of a Roy "Chubby" Brown show.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ve just signed this petition asking the Chief executive of Sheffield City Trust, Andrew Snelling, to let Comedian Roy Chubby Brown perform in Sheffield City Hall. <a href="https://t.co/s8UtPOSg12">https://t.co/s8UtPOSg12</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/UKChange?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UKChange</a></p>&mdash; Toby Young (@toadmeister) <a href="https://twitter.com/toadmeister/status/1434861310521577480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">'It smacks of the nanny state... Where do we go from here? Are we going to ban Jimmy Carr?'<br><br>Leader of Sheffield Lib Dems Shaffaq Mohammed is outraged the Sheffield City Hall venue has cancelled an upcoming appearance from Roy Chubby Brown because he didn’t fit with their values. <a href="https://t.co/qa4VVvTfmk">pic.twitter.com/qa4VVvTfmk</a></p>&mdash; GB News (@GBNEWS) <a href="https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1434595940132818944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Oliver_W]

Are you saying there were no Nazi's in Germany until Hitler was invited into government?
No, I never said that Nazis never existed.

[The Slim Reaper]

No, I never said that Nazis never existed.

So did they exist before before Hitler was invited into government? If the answer is yes, then why do you say nazi's don't exist "anymore?"

At the Charlottesville rally, they were shouting "blood and soil" and "Jews will not replace us." Both of those were Nazi slogans - just to give you an example.

[Oliver_W]

At the Charlottesville rally, they were shouting "blood and soil" and "Jews will not replace us." Both of those were Nazi slogans - just to give you an example.
They'd be an example of the cosplaying idiots I mentioned upthread. I'm sure you know of actual Nazis in or near actual governments?

[The Slim Reaper]

They'd be an example of the cosplaying idiots I mentioned upthread. I'm sure you know of actual Nazis in or near actual governments?

I'm sure Jews in North Carolina thought they were harmless cosplayers, too.

So you're back to the distinction that a political ideology only exists if it's in government, which is plainly stupid, especially in the US which has the links between the confederacy (the nazi's of their day) and nazism/facism, and there are plenty of republican politicians that still support the confederacy.

Stephen Miller, who worked on Trumps immigration/border policies is a fairly open white nationalist.

You can look at Hungary, where anti-Semitism was used in his campaign for his far right government. We have an encroaching rw authoritarian government over here, banning protests and about to purge the wrong kind of voters from the list. The list goes on.

But regardless, back to the question of, does a political ideology only exist if it's in government?

[Marsh.]

Oh is Oliver still in the mindset of "Oh, if I can't see something from my bedroom window it means it doesn't exist"?

[Mystic Mock]

I'm not a fan of his comedy but the venue cancelling because they don't like his jokes... sounds about right these days. As others have mentioned in this thread, Frankie Boyle and Jimmy Carr are both guilty of the worst, most obnoxious humour. And pop stars followed by very young girls - Selina Gomez for example - with foul language warnings on their albums... and don't get me started on Naked Attraction, Love island, Married at First Sight.

People obviously don't have enough to do these days so they spend their time sticking their beak into other people's business and making decisions for other adults.

Well thanks to this thread I checked out a video on Youtube of one of his jokes, and tbh besides the joke about a 12 year old his other jokes wouldn't be amiss from a Keith Lemon Show.

Tbh I'm not big on censorship anyway, the only time I've been hesitant is with Love Island due to the suicides after being on the Show, but even then I can't actually bring myself to campaign for it to happen, and get a Show banned that millions of other people enjoy.

Ironically the Japanese Anime community is having it currently too where certain groups are trying to get the second season of Demon Slayer censored because of certain content in the Manga coming up in the Anime. Now again I'm consistent about this, if you don't like Demon Slayer, Roy Chubby Brown nor do you like Love Island then don't watch them, it's not hard.

I'm with you that it's typical behaviour nowadays to try and censor things, I honestly was expecting a Jim Davidson or Chuck Lorre types of Comedy where they're clearly being hateful towards certain groups of people.

[Beso]

More than 24,000 people have signed a petition against the cancellation of a Roy "Chubby" Brown show.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ve just signed this petition asking the Chief executive of Sheffield City Trust, Andrew Snelling, to let Comedian Roy Chubby Brown perform in Sheffield City Hall. <a href="https://t.co/s8UtPOSg12">https://t.co/s8UtPOSg12</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/UKChange?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UKChange</a></p>&mdash; Toby Young (@toadmeister) <a href="https://twitter.com/toadmeister/status/1434861310521577480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>




Signed.

[Beso]

IMPORTANT UPDATE!

Haley Madden
United Kingdom
9 SEP 2021 —

Tomorrow (10th September) For all those that have been asking, the protest will take place from 10am outside the Sheffield City Hall. We will all be heading towards the Town Hall at 10.30am. Let's be loud, let's be proud, let's do this for Chubby!

[arista]

IMPORTANT UPDATE!

Haley Madden
United Kingdom
9 SEP 2021 —

Tomorrow (10th September) For all those that have been asking, the protest will take place from 10am outside the Sheffield City Hall. We will all be heading towards the Town Hall at 10.30am. Let's be loud, let's be proud, let's do this for Chubby!


That should be Fun.

[arista]

I saw him live before a few years back and he’s mostly just crude in his offensiveness. No race/sexuality jokes came up that I recall.

Wasn’t anywhere near as bad as Jimmy Carr or Frankie Boyle when I saw them. How they get away with some of their material and manage to sustain careers on TV I’ll never know. :omgno:


This is the Best post on this whole thread
Thanks for posting this.

[The Slim Reaper]

This is the Best post on this whole thread
Thanks for posting this.

Why? Because they didn't hear him say any race jokes in one show, when he has a career of doing exactly that behind him?

We can all go on youtube and find him saying them.

It's cool and not surprising in the slightest if you like that personally, but they're not for everyone.

[arista]

Why? Because they didn't hear him say any race jokes in one show, when he has a career of doing exactly that behind him?

We can all go on youtube and find him saying them.

It's cool and not surprising in the slightest if you like that personally, but they're not for everyone.


Of Course, Long time back


But Now his show is updated
that matters

[The Slim Reaper]

Of Course, Long time back


But Now his show is updated
that matters

Have you got any evidence of his act being updated? Or even more importantly, he understands why it needed to be updated?

[Oliver_W]

Have you got any evidence of his act being updated?

The show that LaLaLand went to see?

[The Slim Reaper]

The show that LaLaLand went to see?

No disrespect to Lala, but they could have been hammered, not paying attention, in bad seats etc I'm sure the bar for a racist comedian changing his whole act is a little higher than one person at one show?

[Crimson Dynamo]

so actual evidence is no good?

sure

[Alf]

Cracking comedian, infact, next time he's in Hull, I'm off to see him.

"I'd love to see Madonna in her knickers
Saddam Hussein blown to bits
I'd love to see my tax bills stuck up John Major's arse
But most of all, Dolly Parton's t**s
Didn't that Fred West have more hair than fu**ing brains?
Does Elton John really have a wig that fits?
But most of all, you know, I'd feel ten feet tall
If I could see Dolly Parton's t**s"

[The Slim Reaper]

so actual evidence is no good?

sure

It's not actual evidence, though, unfortunately. And doesn't even come close to an interview/column/stand up bit where he explains why he needed to change his act.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's not actual evidence, though, unfortunately. And doesn't even come close to an interview/column/stand up bit where he explains why he needed to change his act.

person watches said show and reports back first-hand


but wait it's not an article in a bias hard left newspaper?

:facepalm:

[Alf]

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[The Slim Reaper]

person watches said show and reports back first-hand


but wait it's not an article in a bias hard left newspaper?

:facepalm:

What are you classing as hard left media this time? Gardeners world, the grocer? We both know he wouldn't get a platform in any true left media so by default, it would have to be in a right leaning publication.

You don't even believe video evidence of black men being killed by cops, so forgive me if I don't take your musings on what constitutes evidence, even remotely seriously.

Is this it, or do you have anything else? :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

No disrespect to Lala, but they could have been hammered, not paying attention, in bad seats etc I'm sure the bar for a racist comedian changing his whole act is a little higher than one person at one show?

Was his whole act based on racist "jokes" though?

(That's a genuine question btw, not rhetoric - I don't know his stuff, and I don't really find any stand-up comedy, so I'm not gonna seek his out)

[The Slim Reaper]

slim you are on a shoogly peg, let it go

Do you have anything to contribute to the thread or would you like to address anything I wrote in my post?

[The Slim Reaper]

Was his whole act based on racist "jokes" though?

(That's a genuine question btw, not rhetoric - I don't know his stuff, and I don't really find any stand-up comedy, so I'm not gonna seek his out)

No, there's load of misogyny, and homophobia thrown in for good measure. I didn't mean his whole act was just racist jokes, so appreciate you seeking clarification.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you have anything to contribute to the thread or would you like to address anything I wrote in my post?

i just did m8te

[Beso]

IMPORTANT UPDATE!

Haley Madden
United Kingdom
9 SEP 2021 —

Tomorrow (10th September) For all those that have been asking, the protest will take place from 10am outside the Sheffield City Hall. We will all be heading towards the Town Hall at 10.30am. Let's be loud, let's be proud, let's do this for Chubby!




Tibb meet up anyone:joker:

[Beso]

Have you got any evidence of his act being updated? Or even more importantly, he understands why it needed to be updated?

He understands he cant tell those jokes these days, so has moved onto jokes he can tell.

[Marsh.]

"Racist man didn't tell a racist joke on one occasion so is no longer racist"

Ok. :joker:

[Beso]

"Racist man didn't tell a racist joke on one occasion so is no longer racist"

Ok. :joker:

No, he has realised as a non racist man that those types of jokes, as a parody act, effect the bank balance these days. All because of the new words made up by the new world order, that you are unconsciously part of.

[Marsh.]

No, he has realised as a non racist man that those types of jokes, as a parody act, effect the bank balance these days. All because of the new words made up by the new world order, that you are unconsciously part of.

"Racist man thinks his racism doesn't sell".

Ok.

[Oliver_W]

"Racist man thinks his racism doesn't sell".

Ok.

How do you know he was racist, and wasn't just a shock-jock using risque "humour" ?

[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

Well, genuinely speaking, if you make a career telling racist jokes and appealing to racist crowds because of it, there's pretty much a certainty there that you are a racist.

There's no irony with this 'comedian's' jokes, it's just straight up bigotry for bigots to guffaw at, and if that doesn't appeal to the owners of a venue then it's within their rights to deny them the stage.But it's what they like to watch. Can't we just let them enjoy themselves? Why do we have to interfere in their lives and try to make their lives a little less pleasurable for them than it could be?

[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

Thank you very much, what a lovely compliment.

[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

If you throw a party and someone turns up who is drunk and disorderly and you don't want them to be there, you have every right to tell them to leave. It's your house, your party and you don't have to take the feelings of that party goer into account if you think they are being damaging in any way because it's your house and they aren't entitled to stay.I hear what you're saying there, however, this is a public event, for the public. Nobody's own home comes into the equation. It's just a bit nasty to go around spoiling people's enjoyment, it's not very civilized. It's the opposite of inclusive, which I always thought you'd be against that?

[Alf]

Very well said by Sheffield's Liberal Democrats leader.

Spot on.



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[Cherie]

Very well said by Sheffield's Liberal Democrats leader.

Spot on.



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Succinctly put

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you throw a party and someone turns up who is drunk and disorderly and you don't want them to be there, you have every right to tell them to leave. It's your house, your party and you don't have to take the feelings of that party goer into account if you think they are being damaging in any way because it's your house and they aren't entitled to stay.

an evening of comedy (not my cup of tea but folks like it) is in no way comparable with an aggressive drunk ruining a party ffs :laugh:

[Beso]

Succinctly put



My drag name.

[Oliver_W]

an evening of comedy (not my cup of tea but folks like it) is in no way comparable with an aggressive drunk ruining a party ffs :laugh:

In this case it's more like someone showing up to a party they weren't invited to and closing it down.

I have no interest in seeing Roy Chubby Brown, so I'm going to cry about it and ruin it for everyone else not buy a ticket and not go. Which is the solution everyone who doesn't like him should take.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Succinctly put

imagine a lib dem exposing it for what it is

:smug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

In this case it's more like someone showing up to a party they weren't invited to and closing it down.

I have no interest in seeing Roy Chubby Brown, so I'm going to cry about it and ruin it for everyone else not buy a ticket and not go. Which is the solution everyone who doesn't like him should take.

its virtue signalling and tells us so much more about the vanity of this this hard-left councilor than it ever does about the comedian

[Beso]

It's the same as the council banning that old bloke from peeing with a placard against the labour party round his neck.

[Marsh.]

How do you know he was racist, and wasn't just a shock-jock using risque "humour" ?

"How do you know the racist person who says racist things is racist?"

[Oliver_W]

"How do you know the racist person who says racist things is racist?"

Yeah, and Leigh Francis is also actually Amanda Holden's nan and Keith Lemon.

[Marsh.]

Yeah, and Leigh Francis is also actually Amanda Holden's nan and Keith Lemon.

"I have no other argument so here's an irrelevant comparison I pulled out my arse!"

[Oliver_W]

"I have no other argument so here's an irrelevant comparison I pulled out my arse!"

Of course it's relevant. One doesn't (shouldn't) assume Leigh Francis "means" the things he says when he's in character as Keith or Nan or whoever, so why would you think Royston Basey isn't just trying to make people laugh?

[Marsh.]

Of course it's relevant. One doesn't (shouldn't) assume Leigh Francis "means" the things he says when he's in character as Keith or Nan or whoever, so why would you think Royston Basey isn't just trying to make people laugh?

"I don't know the difference between an actor playing a fictional character and a racist saying racist things!"

[Alf]

"I don't know the difference between an actor playing a fictional character and a racist saying racist things!"Roy Chubby Brown is a fictional character played by an actor. He has a script and rehearses and wears a flying helmet. In real life his name is Royston Vasey, not Chubby Brown.

[Oliver_W]

"I don't know the difference between an actor playing a fictional character and a racist saying racist things!"

How do you know he's actually racist?

[Marsh.]

How do you know he's actually racist?

"How do you know a racist who says racist things is racist?"

[GoldHeart]

How do you know he's actually racist?

What about Bernard Manning?.
Both chubby & Manning are similar in their 'material', I don't like either of them ,and never found anything they do funny.

[Tom4784]

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[Beso]

Wouldnt a city hall be publicly owned?

[Cherie]

Wouldnt a city hall be publicly owned?

I would expect it to be

[Oliver_W]

"How do you know a racist who says racist things is racist?"

Leigh Francis said he was Amanda Holden's nan, but he isn't.

So how do you know he's actually racist? Or do you think Francis really is Holden's nan ... After all, he did say he is!

Do you think everything ever comedian says is literally true?

[Oliver_W]

It's up to the owners of the venue if they want certain acts to perform or not. It's their stage, their platform, and no one is entitled to perform on it without their permission to do so.

The venue was fine to host him until the City Trust stepped in and called off the figurative party.

If people didn't bitch and moan, he could perform his show to a dozen or so people, and those who don't like him could just not attend.

[user104658]

Wouldnt a city hall be publicly owned?


I would expect it to be


The venue was fine to host him until the City Trust stepped in and called off the figurative party.

.


OP states that Sheffield City Trust (seems to be independent non-profit org) operates the venue, it isn't owned by the city, and they didn't "step in". The Trust would be managed by a board of trustees who probably made the decision.

[Oliver_W]

OP states that Sheffield City Trust (seems to be independent non-profit org) operates the venue, it isn't owned by the city, and they didn't "step in". The Trust would be managed by a board of trustees who probably made the decision.

Whoever it's owned by, the gig was scheduled, until the City Trust decided it wasn't to be.

[Alf]

OP states that Sheffield City Trust (seems to be independent non-profit org) operates the venue, it isn't owned by the city, and they didn't "step in". The Trust would be managed by a board of trustees who probably made the decision.Good morning to you Toy Soldier, how are you this fine morning good sir?


They're not the best at being trustees, I don't think many people will trust them now.

[user104658]

Whoever it's owned by, the gig was scheduled, until the City Trust decided it wasn't to be.


The Sheffield City Trust is an independent 3rd sector organisation though, there seems to be some confusion that it's part of local council or government/publicly owned. It is not and thus "hmph we pays wrr Council taxes" has nothing to do with this at all. It's not tax-funded.

[Alf]

What we do know is that this labour MP cheers on the intolerance shown towards Royston and his fans.



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[Oliver_W]

The Sheffield City Trust is an independent 3rd sector organisation though, there seems to be some confusion that it's part of local council or government/publicly owned. It is not and thus "hmph we pays wrr Council taxes" has nothing to do with this at all. It's not tax-funded.

I never said they were funded by taxes though?

[Alf]

What we do know is that this labour MP cheers on the intolerance shown towards Royston and his fans.



1433716042895970305She even ends by calling it a welcoming city. Yeah, right love. A welcoming city that doesn't welcome people is not really a welcoming city, is it?

[Alf]

What we do know is that this labour MP cheers on the intolerance shown towards Royston and his fans.



1433716042895970305She even uses the word "Cancel" she does that because she's very, very proud of the new cancel culture.

[user104658]

Hmm it seems maybe there is an element of public funding? :think: either way that's not really an argument since it can just be done circularly. Some will want it to go ahead, some will not, all pay taxes, so the decision can’t be in public hands.

On balance though I think an arbitrary cancellation is a bit harsh, if it’s based on assumptions of content. I think (if this is not what happened) the venue holders should have asked him for a script or outline of the show’s content and made the decision from there. If it seemed fine from the outline and then went wildly off-piste they’d be able to say that in their defense, and would be justified in then banning him (as would other venue holders).

[Oliver_W]

Hmm it seems maybe there is an element of public funding? :think: either way that's not really an argument since it can just be done circularly. Some will want it to go ahead, some will not, all pay taxes, so the decision can’t be in public hands.

As with a lot of these things, the "vote" should be done with people's wallets. If hardly anyone shows up, the venue (or booking agent, whatever) will lose money, and probably won't bother again.

[Alf]

Why these people in positions of power and trust get away with this bigotry is because nobody does anything but talk about it. They're not bothered about people chatting about it, what needs to happen is action taken against them. It's discrimination and all involved need to be finding new careers.

[Beso]

The Sheffield City Trust is an independent 3rd sector organisation though, there seems to be some confusion that it's part of local council or government/publicly owned. It is not and thus "hmph we pays wrr Council taxes" has nothing to do with this at all. It's not tax-funded.

Sheffield City Trust Awarded Funding From Government's Culture Recovery Fund. Sheffield City Trust is delighted to confirm that it has been awarded up to £2.243 million in funding from the government's Culture Recovery Fund.

[Beso]

Cut their funding.

[Jordan.]

Why these people in positions of power and trust get away with this bigotry is because nobody does anything but talk about it. They're not bothered about people chatting about it, what needs to happen is action taken against them. It's discrimination and all involved need to be finding new careers.

Sure let's have them cancelled like they cancelled chubby because being cancelled is fine as long as it happens to the people I don't like.

[Alf]

Sure let's have them cancelled like they cancelled chubby because being cancelled is fine as long as it happens to the people I don't like.They did something to deserve it, Chubby didn't.

[Alf]

Sure let's have them cancelled like they cancelled chubby because being cancelled is fine as long as it happens to the people I don't like.These are people in positions of trust and power paid for by the tax payer, with that comes a certain responsibility. Chubby is just a guy trying to make a living from being a comedien.

[user104658]

Sheffield City Trust Awarded Funding From Government's Culture Recovery Fund. Sheffield City Trust is delighted to confirm that it has been awarded up to £2.243 million in funding from the government's Culture Recovery Fund.


I saw that Parmy and did a follow up post. That said, receiving bulk funding from the council doesn’t change the fact that they’re an independent org and not beholden to the public in decision making - especially if they had a clear statement of values in place before receiving that funding. The council might be pressured into not funding them again, though.

I work in the 3rd sector these days (2.5 years now) and the way 3rd sector interacts with public entities and for-profit entities is quite interesting …. It doesn’t work exactly the same as either (hence, 3rd sector, public and for-profit being the other two sectors). They’ll have multiple funding sources and those sources trust the org to make decisions and have no influence over the decision making process other than declining funding in future. They’ll often be in multi-year contracts and that funding can’t be withdrawn, all they can do is threaten not to fund in future (which could be multiple years away, and memories are short).

[Marsh.]

Leigh Francis said he was Amanda Holden's nan, but he isn't.

So how do you know he's actually racist? Or do you think Francis really is Holden's nan ... After all, he did say he is!

Do you think everything ever comedian says is literally true?

"An actor pretending to be someone's Nan is comparable to someone finding racism funny. It's comparable because I said so. I have no other argument"

[Mystic Mock]

The venue was fine to host him until the City Trust stepped in and called off the figurative party.

If people didn't bitch and moan, he could perform his show to a dozen or so people, and those who don't like him could just not attend.

I think you've hit the nail on the head tbh.

The Venue didn't care about his jokes until complaints from a few groups have happened, so obviously this isn't really the venue deciding for themselves that they don't want him there, but are instead being peer pressured into not having him there.

Tbh from the Youtube video that I watched I personally didn't find his jokes that funny tbh, but I wouldn't personally try to spoil it for his fans by wanting him to be banned from venues, I just wouldn't go to one of his Shows.

But tbh I am very anti-Censorship anyway, I ****ing hate how these groups try to dictate to these venues, or whatever type of entertainment company that you want to think of, about what they can or can't show.

Imo barring the most extreme criminal offences (because even I have a line that shouldn't be crossed) anything else is fair game in my eyes.

[arista]

BBC1HD 10 AM Politics UK on now has it from North East

They have an interview with Chubby

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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