Geronimo was clear of TB !

[Kazanne]

That poor animal,killed for no reason apparently,typical of some humans who think they know everything, feel so sad for his owner and even sadder for him if this is true.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/geronimo-the-alpaca-initial-postmortem-shows-euthanised-animal-did-not-have-tuberculosis/ar-AAOdD2f?ocid=ob-fb-engb-57&fbclid=IwAR1VFvixdW1ERLgIVFnZHfW29jpJcQ9dsou040tVf AKhtSnD3vXNqQH7NTA

[Amy Jade]

The owner begged them to test him further too.

It's not even shocking at this point, hope at least the idiots who forced this through take heed and do more testing next time. Poor Geronimo.

[Kazanne]

The owner begged them to test him further too.

It's not even shocking at this point, hope at least the idiots who forced this through take heed and do more testing next time. Poor Geronimo.

its bloody criminal ,I hope people from the government and Defra are very proud of themselves for one of the most blatant acts of insensitive animal cruelty.:rant:

[arista]

That's Terrible

[Alf]

Sue the bastards! Take them to the cleaners.

[joeysteele]

The government's department are trying to say he had tb like lesions.

That doesn't mean he did have it.
You can have many things that are 'like' something but that doesn't mean they 'are'.

This is really despicable.
Vets, plural, working with his owner state there were no visible lesions.

This is something the government will have to cover up, the likely slaughter of a healthy pet.
It's disgraceful.
Further independent tests should have been done.

It would seem the government wouldn't permit that, so couldn't have then much confidence in the tests of ages ago.

I feel for his owner.
This is absolutely shocking.
She never hid him away from cameras.
Everytime she came on TV, he was there,running around, eating, drinking, not a thing seemed wrong with him.

The government need to be held to account for this.

It's not just an animal as the government may want to think.
It was a valued and loved pet.

[Amy Jade]

its bloody criminal ,I hope people from the government and Defra are very proud of themselves for one of the most blatant acts of insensitive animal cruelty.:rant:

They won't care. I just saw it on the news and they are twisting it already.

Some woman was saying they need to do more autopsys because it could take more studying because the marks could be tiny.

So they can't justify more testing while he's alive but once the poor things dead they'll rip him open and closed to do tests. Shock.

[joeysteele]

They won't care. I just saw it on the news and they are twisting it already.

Some woman was saying they need to do more autopsys because it could take more studying because the marks could be tiny.

So they can't justify more testing while he's alive but once the poor things dead they'll rip him open and closed to do tests. Shock.


It's disgusting.
Heartless cruelty and no other way to describe it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think I heard that the Chief Vet disputes this claim

[LaLaLand]

****ing awful. That poor animal.

Bet this goes on all the time too. Shocking.

[Beso]

Awful.

As alf says, I hope they sue the government for a lot of money.

[hijaxers]

its bloody criminal ,I hope people from the government and Defra are very proud of themselves for one of the most blatant acts of insensitive animal cruelty.:rant:

Yes its not a surprise the owner was right all along , makes me wonder how many cows are also slaughtered due to thse totally inaccurate tests ! This needs looking at badly. Defra were wrong and they are murderers.

[Beso]

Makes you wonder about he covid test accuracy, eh.

[MTVN]

I think they should have done another test but I wouldn't jump to angry conclusions about this yet

Defra are saying TB like legions were present and given he twice tested positive for TB then that all suggests he wasn't entirely 'clear'. Apparently the full post mortem will have taken place by the end of the year

[smudgie]

The lady won’t accept anything she is told, watched her on ch5 news.

She has not been told he was clear, she just refuses to accept he could have had it.
All this talk of him being murdered, her not knowing if he choked to death or was strangled, she knows full well he was euthanised and not executed.
The same as he was tortured when they chased him to catch him...she could and should have lead him to the vehicle he was taken away in.
She is more about herself and publicity than she was about her animals safety.

[joeysteele]

They've said there were POSSIBLE tb lesions.

Possible, is a fair way from probable and a long way from certainty.
A longer time frame, kicks this into the long grass I guess for a time.

How can 2 so called certain positive tests.
In a post mortem examination, slip right down to only being possible.

I never could grasp why the government wouldn't do further independent testing on Geronimo while he was alive.
I'm starting to see why though.
Never be wrong even as to a, I'd say, at least now, probable slaughter of a pet, WRONGLY.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

The lady won’t accept anything she is told, watched her on ch5 news.

She has not been told he was clear, she just refuses to accept he could have had it.
All this talk of him being murdered, her not knowing if he choked to death or was strangled, she knows full well he was euthanised and not executed.
The same as he was tortured when they chased him to catch him...she could and should have lead him to the vehicle he was taken away in.
She is more about herself and publicity than she was about her animals safety.

Agree with you about the owner and poor Ger being dragged off when she could have intervened, Smudge, also why didn’t she carry out her own independent test, it’s a very strange case with no one coming out of it looking good

[Denver]

Agree with you about the owner and poor Ger being dragged off when she could have intervened, Smudge, also why didn’t she carry out her own independent test, it’s a very strange case with no one coming out of it looking good

Seems to come across someone trying for her 5 mins of fame tbh

[joeysteele]

Agree with you about the owner and poor Ger being dragged off when she could have intervened, Smudge, also why didn’t she carry out her own independent test, it’s a very strange case with no one coming out of it looking good

Her own independent testing wouldn't have been accepted as valid by the government.
Since their own department had stated it had it.

That's why she asked, the government, going through the correct channels to do a further and independent test to confirm.

As for the frenzy around the day this poor pet was taken to be killed.
I tried to imagine my own trauma if say it was to take and kill my pet Staffie.

A number of supporters were there hoping to save Geronimo.
The incredible Police vehicles and police presence was in my view, really intimidating in itself.

Sadly, it all got frenzied and I can't imagine the distress the owner must have felt.

When you've tried to go through all the right channels just to get another more independent, not a government dept. test done.

To then see those coming to take your pet, backed up by an, in my view, disproportionate Police presence too.
To have just been ignored by the government..
From the Department, the Minister right up to the Prime Minister too.

I could guess if I was in her place, absolute panic would set in.
I think getting at her while it's said even now from the initial post mortem findings it's only possible he had tb.
Is unfortunate.

She has tirelessly tried to reason with the government on this and got kicked in the teeth by them and then had a Police presence to help.kill her pet, you wouldn't get if you were mugged!!

All for the sake of the government agreeing to an independently done further test.
Which both parties would have had to accept.
As she didn't accept the government dept. test results done before.
Just as the government wouldn't have accepted any result of a test she arranged herself independently either.

So what was she do.
Try to maximise all she could to save her pet when she and others who were vets said the pet showed no signs of having tb.

Or should she just have rolled over and obeyed the government dept. to let perhaps her healthy pet to be slaughtered unnecessarily by said government order.

I know what I would choose to do for my pet.

[Livia]

I am in agreement with Joey.

[Kazanne]

I am in agreement with Joey.

Me too x

[joeysteele]

To Livia and Kazanne.
I adore animals.
As I know you both do too.

This Alpaca wasn't able to say it felt fine,had nothing wrong with it, what could it do to prove that was the case.

It had an owner who clearly loved it and in fact it being a pet really.
She was its voice.

I totally feel for her and the loss she will feel at the slaughter, and that's the word,of her pet.

The whole battle to save Geronimo and the ugly heavy handed seizing of him to end his life.
I've no doubt will haunt her the rest of her life.
As it would me for any animal I had come to love.

Animals have feelings too, as we get to know them more closely, we get a pretty good insight to how they feel too.
So we are their voice.

It's very sad that officialdom closes its ears to that, as in this tragic case.
For what, one more independently done test after the years past since the others.

The only question I would be asking now is what did the government dept. really fear from having an independently done test carried out.
Just even as a precaution matter.

[The Slim Reaper]

This is obviously terrible, but I'd love to see the Venn diagram of folks up in arms at this, and folks that didn't care about tories voting against feeding kids.

[Kazanne]

To Livia and Kazanne.
I adore animals.
As I know you both do too.

This Alpaca wasn't able to say it felt fine,had nothing wrong with it, what could it do to prove that was the case.

It had an owner who clearly loved it and in fact it being a pet really.
She was its voice.

I totally feel for her and the loss she will feel at the slaughter, and that's the word,of her pet.

The whole battle to save Geronimo and the ugly heavy handed seizing of him to end his life.
I've no doubt will haunt her the rest of her life.
As it would me for any animal I had come to love.

Animals have feelings too, as we get to know them more closely, we get a pretty good insight to how they feel too.
So we are their voice.

It's very sad that officialdom closes its ears to that, as in this tragic case.
For what, one more independently done test after the years past since the others.

The only question I would be asking now is what did the government dept. really fear from having an independently done test carried out.
Just even as a precaution matter.

I don't know who has the final say Joey ,I'm not too knowlegable with that sort of stuff, all I know is I am so angry over this ,someone had the chance to stop this and they never and the way he was treated at the end was appauling and shameful,If I was the owner Ide be suing someone.:wavey:

[Mystic Mock]

This is why doing multiple tests are important in situations like this.

Obviously though the fact that the tests are picking up signs of Lesions potentially means that sadly he was not in the clear.

[Marsh.]

typical of some humans who think they know everything

Yep.

[Mystic Mock]

This is obviously terrible, but I'd love to see the Venn diagram of folks up in arms at this, and folks that didn't care about tories voting against feeding kids.

Let's just agree that when it comes to being humane the Tories aren't very good at it to put it kindly.

The way they've also tried to demonize Rashford for having a normal response to help feeding kids isn't a good look on the party either.

[Zizu]

The owner begged them to test him further too.

It's not even shocking at this point, hope at least the idiots who forced this through take heed and do more testing next time. Poor Geronimo.


Could she not of got a vet to test it for her ?

Everyone would have contributed to the costs


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[joeysteele]

Could she not of got a vet to test it for her ?

Everyone would have contributed to the costs


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Yes however she needed the government to accept the result of such a test.

She could have had any amount of tests done I guess.
However unless the government were in agreement to accept a negative result.
All would be meaningless.

She had other vets who all claimed the Alpaca was healthy.

The government department DEFRA had the Alpaca tested, they state years ago, he tested positive twice!.

So the death sentence was passed on him and she's fought this for years.

Doing all the right things.
Appealing to the government department for a new agreed independently done test.
They refused.

Then appealing directly to the government Minister.
Who only stood by the DEFRA tests.
So refused again for an independent test to be done once more.

She then, with her supporters handed a multi thousands petition in to the government.

She also directly appealed to the Prime Minister.
Who no one knows if he even got in touch with her.

The end result would be no matter what test she had done herself, WITHOUT the government agreeing to abide by any new test.
It wouldn't have mattered.

The government Minister was pushed in interviews on TV on this, however he just said, they stood by the original DEFRA department tests done.

After something like 4 years and Geronimo looking so fit, alert, eating, drinking, running round everytime she had him on TV when interviewed.

I'll never understand what the government feared from one more agreed totally independent test being done on the Alpaca.

No amount of her own tests done, could overrule the government's order to kill Geronimo.
From the tests of years ago done by the government department.

It's even more odd that tests years ago stated he was CERTAINLY positive.
Then post mortem results indicating he may have lesions which could POSSIBLY,( only possibly), be TB.

Well something stinks to high heaven here.
Tragic to think any animal can be slaughtered by governments, for ONLY POSSIBLY having something.

She really did all she could, doing so by appealing through all the right channels.
Even to the PM himself.
Just to have it all dismissed.
I really feel for her, the one thing good to see was her genuine affection for in essence one of her pets.
To then be so cruelly robbed of Geronimo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

In Australia, they killed dogs in an animal shelter because they did not want people to go there and rescue them coz covid

but they were happy for the people to go there and kill them

ref: Talkradio

[joeysteele]

I don't know who has the final say Joey ,I'm not too knowlegable with that sort of stuff, all I know is I am so angry over this ,someone had the chance to stop this and they never and the way he was treated at the end was appauling and shameful,If I was the owner Ide be suing someone.:wavey:

She should sue Kazanne.

However with the weight of the government behind the order.
Plus now even if we even get the truth of the post mortem too.

She's likely on a losing battle.

I don't understand why she's getting criticism for that awful last moments.
I consider myself usually level headed, however if those coming to kill a pet of mine, with the ridiculous number of Police present.
As was the case the day they came to kill him.

I would panic, feeling then powerless to save a pet I loved.
It must have been a nightmare, a living nightmare.

Yet it seems had she rolled over and tried to calm Geronimo so they could then kill him anyway.
She'd have got no criticism.

I doubt you, or myself or Livia who expressed the same thoughts as myself..
Would be able to act in a carefree way while watching the inevitable on the day, killing of a pet we believed healthy and which had done nothing wrong.

I hate any cruelty to animals.
Just simply refusing to order a new independently done test, is in itself plain cruelty to this Alpaca.
In my opinion it is anyhow.

[Mystic Mock]

She should sue Kazanne.

However with the weight of the government behind the order.
Plus now even if we even get the truth of the post mortem too.

She's likely on a losing battle.

I don't understand why she's getting criticism for that awful last moments.
I consider myself usually level headed, however if those coming to kill a pet of mine, with the ridiculous number of Police present.
As was the case the day they came to kill him.

I would panic, feeling them powerless to save a pet I loved.
It must have been a nightmare, a living nightmare.

Yet it seems had she rolled over and tried to calm Geronimo so they could then kill him anyway.
She'd have got no criticism.

I doubt you, or myself or Livia who expressed the same thoughts as myself..
Would be able to act in a carefree way while watching the inevitable on the day, killing of a pet we believed healthy and which had done nothing wrong.

I hate any cruelty to animals.
Just simply refusing to order a new independently done test, is in itself plain cruelty to this Alpaca.
In my opinion it is anyhow.

They definitely should've done another test to put it to rest.

Also let's be honest here it doesn't take much for our Government to want to kill animals at the best of times, a potentially false positive test just made them giddy with excitement and they weren't willing to pass the opportunity by.

[joeysteele]

They definitely should've done another test to put it to rest.

Also let's be honest here it doesn't take much for our Government to want to kill animals at the best of times, a potentially false positive test just made them giddy with excitement and they weren't willing to pass the opportunity by.

I agree completely a new test should have been done.

It's all she was pleading for and all that was required.
A totally independently done test.

One has to ask the begging question, why would the government not grant that.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

This whole thing still affects me.

Where on earth has just even ' basic' decency and compassion gone.