View Full Version : AUKUS (Australia, UK & US military pact)
user104658
16-09-2021, 06:55 AM
What do we make of it? Alf you will have thoughts on this I'm sure. I've not looked into it much but got to admit ... ... ... ... :suspect: ... ... chess pieces for WW3 innit.
[edit] Obviously plenty in the news about this, but if you want a brief understanding of what AUKUS is I'm just going to link the Wiki, as it's politically neutral unlike any press articles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AUKUS
Oh, a globalist military alliance. Anything globalist can't be good for a country.
Oliver_W
16-09-2021, 07:07 AM
I'm not a fan of globalism or sweeping militaristic moves, so yeah ...
I don't trust Biden or the Australian Premier (look what he's doing to his own people right now) with our secrets.
Many think that Biden is China's bitch, and the Australians are acting like China's bitch.
I don't trust Biden or the Australian Premier (look what he's doing to his own people right now) with our secrets.
Many think that Biden is China's bitch, and the Australians are acting like China's bitch.Although Biden isn't President, he's an imposter, as we'll all find out before this year is out.
Nicky91
16-09-2021, 07:41 AM
Although Biden isn't President, he's an imposter, as we'll all find out before this year is out.
and you're not a conspiracy theorist
https://c.tenor.com/6vhVllrFjg0AAAAM/marcia-sure-jan.gif
and you're not a conspiracy theorist
https://c.tenor.com/6vhVllrFjg0AAAAM/marcia-sure-jan.gifJust saying what I see. They don't call me Roy Walker for nothing.
user104658
16-09-2021, 07:45 AM
Oh, a globalist military alliance. Anything globalist can't be good for a country.
Yeah it's an alliance but just between the US, UK and Australia and that's what makes me sus. Other countries have been specifically kept out of it, France in particular are quite annoyed about this.
My suspicion really is that UK always has the US's back in these type of things so you can consider them one unit here really... there are already very close military ties... but I feel like they've basically adopted Aus into it because if they can be in Aus waters, that's a huge strategic advantage in the Pacific. US is giving (selling? I read it's prettyy much a gift...) Aus some nuclear-powered submarines too. Not nuclear armed. Supposedly. But that would only need a warheads change, they're 100% nuclear-weapon-capable subs.
General Milley
Why is he currently making news?
Nicky91
16-09-2021, 07:52 AM
Yeah it's an alliance but just between the US, UK and Australia and that's what makes me sus. Other countries have been specifically kept out of it, France in particular are quite annoyed about this.
My suspicion really is that UK always has the US's back in these type of things so you can consider them one unit here really... there are already very close military ties... but I feel like they've basically adopted Aus into it because if they can be in Aus waters, that's a huge strategic advantage in the Pacific. US is giving (selling? I read it's prettyy much a gift...) Aus some nuclear-powered submarines too. Not nuclear armed. Supposedly. But that would only need a warheads change, they're 100% nuclear-weapon-capable subs.
good, because UK, USA and Australia are the only important countries in the world
and out of those 3, the UK are the biggest elite superpower
user104658
16-09-2021, 08:10 AM
good, because UK, USA and Australia are the only important countries in the world
and out of those 3, the UK are the biggest elite superpower
Alongside the rumblings of a UK-US-Aus economic pact, they'd essentially be combining into one single superpower tbh. Also one that would have a huge amount of naval dominance... with Aus in the South Pacific, west coast USA in the North Pacific, and Britiain essentially having the capability to effectively blockade the Atlantic by controlling the Channel & North Sea. S. Africa would be another strategic win so look for chats with them. Why do you think holding the Falkland islands has been so important to the UK? Take a look at where they sit on the map.
Nicky91
16-09-2021, 08:34 AM
Alongside the rumblings of a UK-US-Aus economic pact, they'd essentially be combining into one single superpower tbh. Also one that would have a huge amount of naval dominance... with Aus in the South Pacific, west coast USA in the North Pacific, and Britiain essentially having the capability to effectively blockade the Atlantic by controlling the Channel & North Sea. S. Africa would be another strategic win so look for chats with them. Why do you think holding the Falkland islands has been so important to the UK? Take a look at where they sit on the map.
if WW3 happens, it will be UK, USA, Australia their fault
Yeah it's an alliance but just between the US, UK and Australia and that's what makes me sus. Other countries have been specifically kept out of it, France in particular are quite annoyed about this.
My suspicion really is that UK always has the US's back in these type of things so you can consider them one unit here really... there are already very close military ties... but I feel like they've basically adopted Aus into it because if they can be in Aus waters, that's a huge strategic advantage in the Pacific. US is giving (selling? I read it's prettyy much a gift...) Aus some nuclear-powered submarines too. Not nuclear armed. Supposedly. But that would only need a warheads change, they're 100% nuclear-weapon-capable subs.
it's nearly impossible for western countries to go it alone these days and the USA need partners so that they are not considered a bully.
France is/will be part of the euro zone defence so isn't much interested in the waters around Australia. The only reason they are angry is that Australia were buying a wad of subs from france and that contract has now been scrapped :laugh:
I think something has to be done to keep China in line. We have NATO covering any immediate threat from russia, we need similar for China
user104658
16-09-2021, 09:05 AM
it's nearly impossible for western countries to go it alone these days and the USA need partners so that they are not considered a bully.
France is/will be part of the euro zone defence so isn't much interested in the waters around Australia. The only reason they are angry is that Australia were buying a wad of subs from france and that contract has now been scrapped :laugh:
I think something has to be done to keep China in line. We have NATO covering any immediate threat from russia, we need similar for China
I've heard rumblings that the US (possibly also the UK) are slowly shuffling resources away from NATO though, into things like this. There's been talk that European countries will need to put more of their own resources into NATO. Honestly I can see individual nations militaries starting to be phased out as more and more resources and manpower are channelled into things like NATO and various other military pacts. The "Endgame" is likely 4-or-so groups of nations acting as the new superpowers. Whispers of Japan having a more active non-defensive military again, having had none since WW2, and they would most likely (along with SK) end up closely aligned with something like AUKUS.
I've heard rumblings that the US (possibly also the UK) are slowly shuffling resources away from NATO though, into things like this. There's been talk that European countries will need to put more of their own resources into NATO. Honestly I can see individual nations militaries starting to be phased out as more and more resources and manpower are channelled into things like NATO and various other military pacts. The "Endgame" is likely 4-or-so groups of nations acting as the new superpowers. Whispers of Japan having a more active non-defensive military again, having had none since WW2, and they would most likely (along with SK) end up closely aligned with something like AUKUS.
the usa commits huge spending and assets to protecting japan because japan are not allowed a fighting force after their behaviour in WW2. If Japan were once again allowed out into the world, that would negate the need to allocate resources to Japan and South Korea, because it's in Japans interests to protect South Korea too. It also hugely increases the opposition to China at a stroke
It makes a certain amount of sense. Japan would be on our side now because they have no other alternative
arista
16-09-2021, 09:38 AM
Live in Parliament Now
Labour is backing it.
Live in Parliament Now
Labour is backing it.The opposition is backing it.
They are still the opposition arne't they?
arista
16-09-2021, 09:50 AM
The opposition is backing it.
They are still the opposition arne't they?
Yes but Starmer set's his Vision out more
Unlike Anti War Corbyn.
Cherie
16-09-2021, 10:10 AM
it's nearly impossible for western countries to go it alone these days and the USA need partners so that they are not considered a bully.
France is/will be part of the euro zone defence so isn't much interested in the waters around Australia. The only reason they are angry is that Australia were buying a wad of subs from france and that contract has now been scrapped :laugh:
I think something has to be done to keep China in line. We have NATO covering any immediate threat from russia, we need similar for China
That was my understanding the French are annoyed with losing a lucrative sub contract
user104658
16-09-2021, 11:36 AM
the usa commits huge spending and assets to protecting japan because japan are not allowed a fighting force after their behaviour in WW2. If Japan were once again allowed out into the world, that would negate the need to allocate resources to Japan and South Korea, because it's in Japans interests to protect South Korea too. It also hugely increases the opposition to China at a stroke
It makes a certain amount of sense. Japan would be on our side now because they have no other alternative
That's a common misconception; Japan are not banned from having an offensive military and it's not enforced by any international body or other country, nor would Western countries have any objection to it these days. Japan's own constitution bans governments from forming a military capable of waging war and only allows a small defensive force... but they could in theory vote in constitutional reforms that would allow for it. There are several political entities within Japan that want the law changed. Personally I think it's probably on the cards within the next few decades.
arista
16-09-2021, 12:15 PM
That was my understanding the French are annoyed with losing a lucrative sub contract
Yes Millions
gone because of Biden/Johnson/Morrison
Mega Deals.
SkyNewsHD at an Arms Fair
showed a model of a Great New Fighter Ship
we are building for Australia.
Bog Off France
Biden forgetting Scott Morrisons name and calling him 'that fella down under' was quite amusing
arista
16-09-2021, 01:21 PM
Biden forgetting Scott Morrisons name and calling him 'that fella down under' was quite amusing
Yes,
at the Start of this USA Comedy show
Johnson Smiles
1438338852775763971
Biden forgetting Scott Morrisons name and calling him 'that fella down under' was quite amusing
i missed that :joker: I find Biden very difficult to listen too, i dislike how he stresses some phrases too. He is an elderly man trying to act tough and its just cringe
Biden forgetting Scott Morrisons name and calling him 'that fella down under' was quite amusingDementia is no laughing matter.
user104658
16-09-2021, 04:36 PM
I don't think Biden has dementia but yes I think he definitely forgot the name, and his age is showing more and more. It doesn't have to be an actual diagnosable condition... people's memories start to go a bit as they get towards 80+, it's inevitable really, and it's why there should really be an age cap on the presidency. And that's not to say it's any better with Trump. He's still a bit sharper than Biden currently but he's 4 years younger... if he does run again in 2024 and is sworn in in 2025 he'll be the same age as Biden is now. It's just too old :shrug:. Time for them to step aside and let younger candidates run. And I'm not even saying "young" - early 60's would be fine - but mid to late 70's? It's just a bit much.
Oliver_W
16-09-2021, 06:20 PM
Yeah I don't think he's actually senile lol, even I forget people's names :joker:
But some people's age just shows more than others - Debbie Harry is the same age as my nan, but only one of them is still performing two hour gigs while touring a country on the other side of the planet from their home :laugh: Biden does seem older than he is, and he's got a creaky old man voice made worse by his stammer ... But that shouldn't automatically disqualify him from a leadership role.
I don't think Biden has dementia but yes I think he definitely forgot the name, and his age is showing more and more. It doesn't have to be an actual diagnosable condition... people's memories start to go a bit as they get towards 80+, it's inevitable really, and it's why there should really be an age cap on the presidency. And that's not to say it's any better with Trump. He's still a bit sharper than Biden currently but he's 4 years younger... if he does run again in 2024 and is sworn in in 2025 he'll be the same age as Biden is now. It's just too old :shrug:. Time for them to step aside and let younger candidates run. And I'm not even saying "young" - early 60's would be fine - but mid to late 70's? It's just a bit much.
The worrying thing with Biden is that we're only in his first year, at least in the UK if something similar happened then there is some flexibility to change the Prime Minister or call an early election, kind of worry about Bidens capacity to make major decisions come 2023/24 unless he does stand down
arista
16-09-2021, 08:28 PM
China denounces US-UK-Australia pact as irresponsible
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-58582573
arista
16-09-2021, 11:48 PM
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/12F65/production/_120596677_415d47d9-f608-4225-9f28-d78239763c12.png
BBC TEXT:
[The paper leads on Prime Minister
Boris Johnson being challenged over fears that
a new defence pact could lead to Britain
being dragged into war with China.
Former PM Theresa May asked Mr Johnson about
the "implications" of the UK's
nuclear submarine agreement
with the US and Australia in the event
of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan.]
arista
16-09-2021, 11:52 PM
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/E145/production/_120596675_guardian-nc.png
Nicky91
17-09-2021, 08:49 AM
China denounces US-UK-Australia pact as irresponsible
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-58582573
they aren't wrong
if a WW3 happens it is on those 3 countries to blame for
UK with the Trump clone, USA with the senile moron, Australia with some nobody who obviously will have nothing to say in this ''pact'' just a handy puppet to have
they aren't wrong
if a WW3 happens it is on those 3 countries to blame for
UK with the Trump clone, USA with the senile moron, Australia with some nobody who obviously will have nothing to say in this ''pact'' just a handy puppet to have
Don't be so disrespectful to that fella down under
Cherie
17-09-2021, 03:11 PM
Don't be so disrespectful to that fella down under
:laugh:
user104658
17-09-2021, 03:31 PM
Don't be so disrespectful to that fella down under
That would be playing with fire tbf.
arista
17-09-2021, 04:19 PM
[China flies Ten aircraft including fighter jets into
Taiwan's airspace ramping up tensions
just a day after AUKUS pact was signed]
Taiwan Airforce has tested landing on a Motorway
assuming their Airbase is destroyed by China?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10001967/China-flies-TEN-aircraft-including-fighter-jets-Taiwans-airspace.html
arista
17-09-2021, 04:20 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/09/17/16/48047813-10001967-image-a-6_1631893359230.jpg
arista
17-09-2021, 06:48 PM
A Chinese Expert Victor Gao on Ch4HDnews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Gao
Said it's not an invasion of Taiwan
it's a Unification of China and Taiwan
He said America has nothing to do with this.
It can be done by Peace or War
nothing can stand in China's way.
arista
17-09-2021, 10:08 PM
[France Recalls its ambassador to the USA amid row over
new US-UK-Australia pact citing 'unacceptable
behavior' over nixed submarine contract]
[The deal resulted in cancellation of
$90 billion Australia deal with France to build submarines]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10002777/France-RECALLS-ambassador-amid-row-new-UK-Australia-pact.html
joeysteele
18-09-2021, 07:12 AM
It's a little concerning, no matter the decisions as to why the UK always seems to end up dancing to the tune of the USA.
Provocative scenario's are not going to help across the World.
user104658
18-09-2021, 08:02 AM
Said it's not an invasion of Taiwan
it's a Unification of China and Taiwan
and the clock ticks ever-closer to midnight...
Oliver_W
18-09-2021, 08:05 AM
[France Recalls its ambassador to the USA amid row over
new US-UK-Australia pact citing 'unacceptable
behavior' over nixed submarine contract]
[The deal resulted in cancellation of
$90 billion Australia deal with France to build submarines]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10002777/France-RECALLS-ambassador-amid-row-new-UK-Australia-pact.html
Here's a quote from the French government
https://c.tenor.com/pJaAaq-NmcgAAAAM/cry-baby.gif
It's a little concerning, no matter the decisions as to why the UK always seems to end up dancing to the tune of the USA.
Provocative scenario's are not going to help across the World.
To be fair, CANZAUK was going to be a thing. In this situation, it's just Canada and New Zealand who were left out.
user104658
18-09-2021, 08:14 AM
To be fair, CANZAUK was going to be a thing. In this situation, it's just Canada and New Zealand who were left out.
CANZUK was an economic, trade and free movement pact, AUKUS is a military pact, they're completely different things... also (and quite importantly) CANZUK didn't include the United States.
Oliver_W
18-09-2021, 08:16 AM
CANZUK was an economic, trade and free movement pact, AUKUS is a military pact, they're completely different things... also (and quite importantly) CANZUK didn't include the United States.
Oh okay, so I was wrong on every point there :joker::joker:
inb4 "like everything else you say!!!1111"
arista
18-09-2021, 06:13 PM
The French Minister said he was Stabbed in the back.
Sure nasty,
But Australia prefers the USA and UK
helping them get better Protection
more than France could offer.....................
arista
19-09-2021, 12:38 AM
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arista
20-09-2021, 10:51 AM
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arista
24-09-2021, 12:24 PM
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