Madeleine McCann's mother returns to work to help in COVID fight

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Madeleine McCann's mother returns to work after 14 years: GP Kate back on
the NHS frontline at hospital in Leicester to help fight Covid pandemic 'to assist
others in need'


Kate worked as a GP when daughter Madeleine was abducted in Portugal in 2007
She left her job in 2007 amid the globally publicised search for Madeleine
Kate's return marks the end of a 14-year hiatus from medicine and a full-time job
A family source said she's 'delighted' to be back at work amid the Covid crisis
Madeleine meanwhile has never been found and is presumed dead
Her alleged killer is already in prison in Germany for several sexual offences


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Her return to work at Leicester hospitals also sees her work at times
alongside husband Gerry, who is Professor of Cardiac Imaging at the
University of Leicester and a renowned consultant cardiologist at several
Leicester hospitals.

She is reported to be enjoying her time back at work, and has been lauded
by a family friend for 'throwing herself back into a full time job to assist
others in need'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10010069/Madeleine-McCanns-GP-mother-Kate-returns-work-NHS-frontline-help-fight-Covid-pandemic.html

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admirable after what she has had to endure

[Cherie]

I know a heavenly someone who will be raging at this news

[user104658]

I know a heavenly someone who will be raging at this news

is it Madeleine McCann?

[user104658]

admirable after what she has had to endure

It is probably quite tough when your husband pressures you into covering up the negligent death of your child to be fair.

I'm not even being entirely flippant. This is 100% what I believe to have happened to Madeleine but I always have suspected that Kate would have simply called the authorities and admitted what happened (they left them in the room, she died accidentally) and the kidnapping/murder charade is Gerry's. Easy to convince someone who is in shock to go along with a lie, and once a lie has started, it becomes harder and harder to get out of :shrug:.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It is probably quite tough when your husband pressures you into covering up the negligent death of your child to be fair.

I'm not even being entirely flippant. This is 100% what I believe to have happened to Madeleine but I always have suspected that Kate would have simply called the authorities and admitted what happened (they left them in the room, she died accidentally) and the kidnapping/murder charade is Gerry's. Easy to convince someone who is in shock to go along with a lie, and once a lie has started, it becomes harder and harder to get out of :shrug:.

nah

[user104658]

nah

You're entitled to your opinion of course.

[GoldHeart]

It is probably quite tough when your husband pressures you into covering up the negligent death of your child to be fair.

I'm not even being entirely flippant. This is 100% what I believe to have happened to Madeleine but I always have suspected that Kate would have simply called the authorities and admitted what happened (they left them in the room, she died accidentally) and the kidnapping/murder charade is Gerry's. Easy to convince someone who is in shock to go along with a lie, and once a lie has started, it becomes harder and harder to get out of :shrug:.

I keep wondering where Madeline's body was dumped, so grim and horrible that she was never discovered ,Which is also a problem when it comes to proving foul play/ more evidence .

So whatever happened will stay a secret unfortunately, so if the parents DID have something to do with her death ,then they have to live with that. I've never trusted them and always suspected them. They've pretty much gotten away with it if they're guilty.

[Niamh.]

I keep wondering where Madeline's body was dumped, so grim and horrible that she was never discovered ,Which is also a problem when it comes to proving foul play/ more evidence .

So whatever happened will stay a secret unfortunately, so if the parents DID have something to do with her death ,then they have to live with that. I've never trusted them and always suspected them. They've pretty much gotten away with it if they're guilty.

I just can't get passed the dogs finding blood and cadaver scent only in the McCanns apartment, hire car and on personal items of the McCanns. No where else. Those dogs were never wrong. And they were specially brought in from the UK too for all the "Portuguese police were crap" people

[Crimson Dynamo]

'She has thrown herself back into a full time job to assist others in need.

'There's such a demand for qualified medics during these unprecedented times.

'Kate's enjoying doing her little bit to help but we hardly ever see her and Gerry now. They
are both so busy.'


Good to take her mind off things

[GoldHeart]

I just can't get passed the dogs finding blood and cadaver scent only in the McCanns apartment, hire car and on personal items of the McCanns. No where else. Those dogs were never wrong. And they were specially brought in from the UK too for all the "Portuguese police were crap" people


Oh I know, there's tons of DODGY UNCOMFORTABLE stuff that doesn't sit right . The whole investigation is a joke :bored: .

Even if they didn't get trialed for murder, you'd have thought neglect would have been a cause for concern and a big factor in this whole thing, especially with children so very young.

[Niamh.]

Oh I know, there's tons of DODGY UNCOMFORTABLE stuff that doesn't sit right . The whole investigation is a joke :bored: .

Even if they didn't get trialed for murder, you'd have thought neglect would have been a cause for concern and a big factor in this whole thing, especially with children so very young.

Yeah 100%

[Zizu]

I keep wondering where Madeline's body was dumped, so grim and horrible that she was never discovered ,Which is also a problem when it comes to proving foul play/ more evidence .

So whatever happened will stay a secret unfortunately, so if the parents DID have something to do with her death ,then they have to live with that. I've never trusted them and always suspected them. They've pretty much gotten away with it if they're guilty.


How would two medical people and strangers to the area .. be able to so easily dispose of the body so it was never discovered .

Not one part of that ludicrous conspiracy theory makes any sense and whole idea that they were ever involved is completely preposterous imho


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[Vanessa]

Yeah 100%

My gut feeling is, they caused her death.
Then they covered it up.

[Zizu]

I just can't get passed the dogs finding blood and cadaver scent only in the McCanns apartment, hire car and on personal items of the McCanns. No where else. Those dogs were never wrong. And they were specially brought in from the UK too for all the "Portuguese police were crap" people


I wish I knew the whole story ... all that stuff you’ve just mentioned was deemed complete nonsense in a program I watched many years ago .

The ‘Madeleine ‘story seems to have it’s own life and changes and gets more ridiculous the more the story gets told ..


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[user104658]

Not one part of that ludicrous conspiracy theory makes any sense and whole idea that they were ever involved is completely preposterous imho


Does it make more sense that someone got in undetected, left undetected, with a child, in a busy area, unseen and unheard by anyone, and without waking the two other children in the same room? The only theory that DOES make any logical sense is that she died accidentally in the room and her body was then removed.

[Niamh.]

I wish I knew the whole story ... all that stuff you’ve just mentioned was deemed complete nonsense in a program I watched many years ago .

The ‘Madeleine ‘story seems to have it’s own life and changes and gets more ridiculous the more the story gets told ..


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About the dogs you mean? That's on the Police files and not disputed

[Zizu]

Does it make more sense that someone got in undetected, left undetected, with a child, in a busy area, unseen and unheard by anyone, and without waking the two other children in the same room? The only theory that DOES make any logical sense is that she died accidentally in the room and her body was then removed.


How many young children are abducted on holiday !!!

Wasn’t there a few convicted sex offenders in the area at the time ??

I know where my money would going if I had to bet.


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[Zizu]

About the dogs you mean? That's on the Police files and not disputed


Link ?


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[Niamh.]

Link ?


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https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm

[GoldHeart]

How would two medical people and strangers to the area .. be able to so easily dispose of the body so it was never discovered .

Not one part of that ludicrous conspiracy theory makes any sense and whole idea that they were ever involved is completely preposterous imho


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Might seem " preposterous " , but the McCann's behaviour is FAR from normal. Even if they're not guilty they still abandoned their kids to go out drinking with mates, why bring kids with you if you're going to leave them alone? .. especially as you say when they're strangers to the area.

It's bad enough when it's in your hometown,so however they thought it was a good idea to leave their very young kids alone in a foreign place is what's truly preposterous.

They can say they kept "checking " on the kids all they like,but it was still a very worrying scenario to leave 2 babies and a toddler alone in an apartment at night. It's weird.

I will agree though that it's bizarre that her body was never found . But it's not the first time this has happened with missing people & murder.

[Zizu]

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm

Thank you !



Yet they weren’t convicted...

Doesn’t look that convincing to my mind anyways ... you don’t know who or what to trust these days .


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[joeysteele]

Oh I know, there's tons of DODGY UNCOMFORTABLE stuff that doesn't sit right . The whole investigation is a joke :bored: .

Even if they didn't get trialed for murder, you'd have thought neglect would have been a cause for concern and a big factor in this whole thing, especially with children so very young.

I wasn't sure on this case at first and had doubts as to any involvement of the parents.
Then more and more of their lack of cooperation with the authorities niggled at me.

Finally chuffmedizzy on here, sadly now gone.
She presented a long argument and all the things missed by the authorities as to the avoidance of cooperation, even on questioning by the parents.

She, chuffmedizzy convinced me of the position I now hold myself on this tragic story.
Which is in line with yours too GoldHeart.

Something has always and does stink to high heaven from the parents on this.
Absolutely.

[AnnieK]

How would two medical people and strangers to the area .. be able to so easily dispose of the body so it was never discovered .

Not one part of that ludicrous conspiracy theory makes any sense and whole idea that they were ever involved is completely preposterous imho


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Possibly the same people who didn't know the area but decided to remove a fridge from the apartment and knew where to drive to to dispose of it :shrug:

[Zizu]

Possibly the same people who didn't know the area but decided to remove a fridge from the apartment and knew where to drive to to dispose of it :shrug:


Not quite as difficult a task to be fair


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[jet]

If they are guilty, why would they push and push to keep the investigation open and alive for all these years? Surely they would want it closed so no evidence of their guilt would be discovered?

[thesheriff443]

So much points to the parents being involved but it wouldn’t surprise me if they are not involved in Maddies disappearance

Some times fact is stranger than fiction

[thesheriff443]

If they did it and owned up they would not be serving a prison sentence now that’s for sure

I read the mother of baby p who tortured her little boy to death is due out any day

[GoldHeart]

If they are guilty, why would they push and push to keep the investigation open and alive for all these years? Surely they would want it closed so no evidence of their guilt would be discovered?

Myra Hindley also claimed she wanted to help find all the victims , still doesn't change the fact she was guilty.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If only the skilled professional detectives at Scotland yard had looked at some
youtube videos and fanfiction websites instead of the actual evidence and waste
time interviewing the mccans and suspects

what were they thinking

:facepalm:

[jet]

Myra Hindley also claimed she wanted to help find all the victims , still doesn't change the fact she was guilty.

Thats not the same at all. She offered to help AFTER she was found guilty of the murders.

[GoldHeart]

Thats not the same at all. She offered to help AFTER she was found guilty of the murders.

She also tried to pin it all on Ian Brady ,when both were evil sickos.

[AnnieK]

If they are guilty, why would they push and push to keep the investigation open and alive for all these years? Surely they would want it closed so no evidence of their guilt would be discovered?

This has been the one thing that has always puzzled me.

The only thing I can come up with is they have made an awful lot of money out of keeping her name in the spotlight. Chuff had some pretty compelling arguments about their reasons.

Like Joey, I was always unsure but chuff always managed to dispell any wavers I had.

[rusticgal]

Although their behaviour both before and after Madeleines disappearance baffles me…I don’t think they were guilty. They were guilty of neglect and their daughter lost her life as a consequence of their neglect. Some of what you hear is suspect…I wouldn’t trust the Police force out there as far as I could throw them…they were useless and they would have done anything to protect the reputation and tourism to their popular resort….it transpires their were many paedophiles in the area at the time…the McCanns and their friends created a routine and a massive opportunity to feed them..

[AnnieK]

Indeed. They at guilty of a crime....what crime that is will never be fully determined but they are at l least guilty of neglect. They have to live with what their selfish actions resulted in but I don't feel we will ever truly know what happened to that little girl. All I hope is whatever it was, she didn't suffer :sad:

[user104658]

Although their behaviour both before and after Madeleines disappearance baffles me…I don’t think they were guilty. They were guilty of neglect and their daughter lost her life as a consequence of their neglect. Some of what you hear is suspect…I wouldn’t trust the Police force out there as far as I could throw them…they were useless and they would have done anything to protect the reputation and tourism to their popular resort….it transpires their were many paedophiles in the area at the time…the McCanns and their friends created a routine and a massive opportunity to feed them..


To be fair, yeah, the actual specifics of what happened to her are less important in terms of what I think happened. Either it was what I personally believe - they left them alone and she died in an accident… or it was what’s claimed - they left her alone and she was either taken by an intruder. The latter is actually worse. The covering-up is incidental really, they were negligent with their children’s safety either way, and while I have sympathy for them in many ways, I think there should have been consequences and that the only reason there were none is because they’re upper-middle class. If they had been a working class family on a beach holiday and the same had happened, at the very least, social services would have been all over the other two kids like flies on their return to the UK.

[user104658]

All I hope is whatever it was, she didn't suffer :sad:

I agree and this is partly why I would much RATHER believe she died quickly in a tragic accident in the room (either due to them sedating her, or a fall hitting her head, or a combination of the two) than her being taken.

[Zizu]

If they are guilty, why would they push and push to keep the investigation open and alive for all these years? Surely they would want it closed so no evidence of their guilt would be discovered?


Exactly


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Indeed. They at guilty of a crime....what crime that is will never be fully determined but they are at l least guilty of neglect. They have to live with what their selfish actions resulted in but I don't feel we will ever truly know what happened to that little girl. All I hope is whatever it was, she didn't suffer :sad:

If they are "guilty"

can you explain why they were not prosecuted in the most high-profile case of the last 20 years?

one would perhaps suggest that your assertations are inaccurate?

[Zizu]

If only the skilled professional detectives at Scotland yard had looked at some
youtube videos and fanfiction websites instead of the actual evidence and waste
time interviewing the mccans and suspects

what were they thinking

:facepalm:


Exactly !

I bloody well hate all these media driven conspiracy stories .. this one , the Princess Di one and the moon landings that supposedly never happened are the most annoying ones imho


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[Zizu]

This has been the one thing that has always puzzled me.

The only thing I can come up with is they have made an awful lot of money out of keeping her name in the spotlight. Chuff had some pretty compelling arguments about their reasons.

Like Joey, I was always unsure but chuff always managed to dispell any wavers I had.


There are many convincing people around .. . doesn’t make them right though


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[user104658]

If they are "guilty"

can you explain why they were not prosecuted in the most high-profile case of the last 20 years?

one would perhaps suggest that your assertations are inaccurate?


Logical fallacy, lack of evidence of guilt is not evidence of innocence.

No one has been prosecuted. By your logic; no one is guilty. She just disappeared into thin air.

[bots]

so many awful things have happened to children, including by parents, that i don't think anything can be ruled out, but without evidence, there will never be a definitive conclusion. The parents werent honest during the investigation, they werent forthcoming with vital information when pressed. To me, that doesn't fit with them being blameless so i don't know why they werent investigated further. The only reason I can come up with was that they knew and used people in positions of real power to get a free pass, and that is even more concerning when we are talking about the welfare of children

[user104658]

Exactly !

I bloody well hate all these media driven conspiracy stories .. this one , the Princess Di one and the moon landings that supposedly never happened are the most annoying ones imho


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It is in this case worth considering that there is no evidence of an abduction. None. In fact, the abduction theory is simply the conspiracy theory about this that gained the most public traction. It IS NOT an official account of events and there IS ZERO evidence that it happened. It is in fact a media driven theory (originally driven by The Sun, mostly).

OFFICIALLY, the authorities have no idea whatsoever what happened to her, other than that she is a missing person, presumed dead.

[joeysteele]

Indeed. They at guilty of a crime....what crime that is will never be fully determined but they are at l least guilty of neglect. They have to live with what their selfish actions resulted in but I don't feel we will ever truly know what happened to that little girl. All I hope is whatever it was, she didn't suffer :sad:


This is the problem as to never now knowing.
There's been so many it seems red herrings in leads on this.

As I said earlier, Chuff had endless information, not her own view, of avoidance of questions and even refusal to answer questions put on what had been unearthed in the investigation.
It pulled me from what I didn't want to think into realising it was hard to dispute.

It astounds me that a professional couple, wouldn't use child minding services.
Would leave 3 very young children alone in a strange Country residence.
Just to go for a ' night out '.

For that alone, things smell very unsavoury.
As you say neglect.
There seems, to have been a lot of procrastination on this case plus diverting from the parents too.

It's very sad we may never now know what happened here.
However, just my opinion, I now know what I think myself.

As I said Chuff fully convinced me.
It's not nice to think it and I'd love to have my thinking changed again.
However, from all the actions of the parents on this all through since, I don't see my view I hold on this altering now.

[user104658]

The Portuguese authorities believe the McCanns are involved, by the way, there was then a concentrated media campaign to discredit them as “not proper police like British police” (nonsense, and a little racist).

[AnnieK]

If they are "guilty"

can you explain why they were not prosecuted in the most high-profile case of the last 20 years?

one would perhaps suggest that your assertations are inaccurate?

No I can't explain why they were not prosecuted for leaving 3 children under 3 alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country. I believe they were guilty of child endangerment and neglect. My opinion, and the opinion I would hope of most people.....leaving babies alone is disgusting. I am sure you will tell me, as you have in the past, that millions of.parents do it. I will respectfully disagree and call them terrible parents too

[user104658]

No I can't explain why they were not prosecuted for leaving 3 children under 3 alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country.

International diplomatic reasons. More or less.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No I can't explain why they were not prosecuted for leaving 3 children under 3 alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country. I believe they were guilty of child endangerment and neglect. My opinion, and the opinion I would hope of most people.....leaving babies alone is disgusting. I am sure you will tell me, as you have in the past, that millions of.parents do it. I will respectfully disagree and call them terrible parents too

so as i thought

not illegal

yep;

[AnnieK]

so as i thought

not illegal

yep;

Well, actually it was illegal

There's no legal age a child can be left home alone, but it's against the law to leave a child alone if it puts them at risk1. Every child matures differently, so it would be almost impossible to have a "one size fits all" law.

Considering what happened, they did put her at risk. You continue defending child neglect, its fine. Yep

[GoldHeart]

To be fair, yeah, the actual specifics of what happened to her are less important in terms of what I think happened. Either it was what I personally believe - they left them alone and she died in an accident… or it was what’s claimed - they left her alone and she was either taken by an intruder. The latter is actually worse. The covering-up is incidental really, they were negligent with their children’s safety either way, and while I have sympathy for them in many ways, I think there should have been consequences and that the only reason there were none is because they’re upper-middle class. If they had been a working class family on a beach holiday and the same had happened, at the very least, social services would have been all over the other two kids like flies on their return to the UK.

I've been saying the same thing for years , if it was another Karen Mathews with her partner living on council estate on benefits, then social services would have been involved. And they possibly would have had their other 2 children taken by protection services.

Jonbenet Ramsay ,was another suspicious case of a small child dying . And again everything pointed towards the parents or atleast one of the parents.

Difference being she was found in the family basement,but the parents reported her missing. But the whole thing felt like a cover up.

[Zizu]

It is in this case worth considering that there is no evidence of an abduction. None. In fact, the abduction theory is simply the conspiracy theory about this that gained the most public traction. It IS NOT an official account of events and there IS ZERO evidence that it happened. It is in fact a media driven theory (originally driven by The Sun, mostly).

OFFICIALLY, the authorities have no idea whatsoever what happened to her, other than that she is a missing person, presumed dead.


Surely it’s more likely that a predatory paedophile or a sex trafficking ring abducted the young girl on holiday than the parents being involved - the latter makes zero sense tbh

70,000 children go missing each year and that’s only in the flamin UK !
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[user104658]

Surely it’s more likely that a predatory paedophile or a sex trafficking ring abducted the young girl on holiday than the parents being involved - the latter makes zero sense tbh

How many kids are kidnapped by family members?

A family abduction is the taking or concealing of a child under the age of 17 against the person's legal rights. Family members abduct children in 1,230 (86%) of the total kidnapping cases.

How many kids are kidnapped by strangers?

A stranger abduction, also known as a non-family abduction, is the result of a stranger taking or luring a child under the age of 17. Of the 1,435 kidnappings per year, 205 (14.3%) were non-family abductions.

(Source: https://www.creditdonkey.com/kidnapping-statistics.html)

Data were obtained for 44 countries. Overall, parents committed 56.5% (IQR 23.7–69.6) of child homicides, 58.4% (0.0–66.7) of female and 46.8% (14.1–63.8) of male child homicides. Acquaintances committed 12.6% (5.9–31.3) of child homicides. Almost a tenth (9.2% (IQR 0.0–21.9) of child homicides had missing information on the perpetrator. The largest proportion of parental homicides of children was found in high-income countries (64.2%; 44.7–71.8) and East Asia and Pacific Region (61.7%; 46.7–78.6). Parents committed the majority (77.8% (61.5–100.0)) of homicides of children under the age of 1 year. For adolescents, acquaintances were the main group of homicide perpetrators (36.9%, 6.6–51.8). There is a notable lack of studies from low-income and middle-income countries and children above the age of 1 year.

Conclusion Children face the highest risk of homicide by parents and someone they know. Increased investment into the compilation of routine data on child homicide, and the perpetrators of this homicide is imperative for understanding and ultimately reducing child homicide mortality worldwide.

https://bmjpaedsopen.bmj.com/content/1/1/e000112

That one is the British Medical Journal, peer reviewed scientific fact. I'm sorry Zizu but the world is just significantly darker than you assumed. Almost 70% of child homicides are committed by someone close to the child.

The vast majority of all murders, assaults and kidnappings, occur within families.

Statistically, it is SIGNIFICANTLY more likely that she was killed by her parents than abducted by a predatory paedophile ring. Making that the conspiracy theory.

[Zizu]

That one is the British Medical Journal, peer reviewed scientific fact. I'm sorry Zizu but the world is just significantly darker than you assumed. Almost 70% of child homicides are committed by someone close to the child.

The vast majority of all murders, assaults and kidnappings, occur within families.

Statistically, it is SIGNIFICANTLY more likely that she was killed by her parents than abducted by a predatory paedophile ring. Making that the conspiracy theory.


You make some good points ..

I just struggle with the idea of them being involved in something so terrible when there are so many kids going missing on holiday .. stolen to order in some cases , by sex traffickers .. holiday situations are the perfect place as well .


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