Dexter: New Blood, Season 9 - Sky Atlantic 08 November 2021 at 10:00 pm

[michael21]

Let's have a dexter party nim :dance:

[michael21]

Who looking forward to it

[michael21]

Let's go

[bots]

series link set up :dance:

[Niamh.]

Can't wait [emoji3060]

[michael21]

It's dexter night

Who having a dexter party

[Niamh.]

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[Cherie]

It will have to wait..it’s Succession night :cheer2:

[Cherie]

Caught up with this now...solid start I guess..

[Zizu]

Caught up with this now...solid start I guess..


Yeah ... 2 episodes in now and it’s taking shape nicely


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[Niamh.]

Yeah enjoying it so far

[user104658]

I was a bit worried in the first episode - it didn’t feel like Dexter and I couldn’t figure out what was wrong. Then at the end he stopped being “Jim” and became “Dexter Morgan” and his inner monologue returned and I realised that’s what had been missing throughout the episode, and that it was actually really effective. Episode 2 with his thoughts back on display felt much more like Dexter.

[Zizu]

I was a bit worried in the first episode - it didn’t feel like Dexter and I couldn’t figure out what was wrong. Then at the end he stopped being “Jim” and became “Dexter Morgan” and his inner monologue returned and I realised that’s what had been missing throughout the episode, and that it was actually really effective. Episode 2 with his thoughts back on display felt much more like Dexter.


Nailed it ...


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[user104658]

Still think “I have a Dark Passenger” sounds like a euphemism for needing to poop, though.

[Niamh.]

I was a bit worried in the first episode - it didn’t feel like Dexter and I couldn’t figure out what was wrong. Then at the end he stopped being “Jim” and became “Dexter Morgan” and his inner monologue returned and I realised that’s what had been missing throughout the episode, and that it was actually really effective. Episode 2 with his thoughts back on display felt much more like Dexter.

Ah yes very good observation. The minute he started his monologue though I instantly heard Joe from You (ew) Dexter even said "you" in a Joe way too. They so copied Dexter there except Dexter would actually target Joe the creepy stalking murderer

[Cherie]

Second ep was better than the first

what was his ex wife in recently, its bugging me

[Niamh.]

Second ep was better than the first

what was his ex wife in recently, its bugging me

his ex wife in real life? Deb you mean?

[Cherie]

his ex wife in real life? Deb you mean?

Yes Deb

[Niamh.]

Not seen her in anything new lately but she was in The Exorcism of Emily Rose and Quarantine

[bots]

she was in limitless

[Cherie]

Not seen her in anything new lately but she was in The Exorcism of Emily Rose and Quarantine

she was in limitless

Not seen either of those :fist: will have to check

[Niamh.]

Thoughts on the Season/Finale :

Over all I thought the Season was great, it was much more like the original seasons, the good seasons. Over all I think it's the proper way to end it and is how I thought the original Series should have ended, Deb should have killed him instead of Harrison and survived to raise Harrison as a normal kid, instead of Dexter leaving Harrison with Hannah who was a murderer herself....bizarre choice.

So yeah the Finale was sad, it felt more like an end of an era than the original ending which is pretty good going really after all these years, it felt like the ending that Dexter deserved as much as I liked him, especially after he killed Logan to escape, that's not part of the code, harry would not have approved and I'm glad Harrison didn't either.

I hear there's talk of another Season focusing on Harrison and I really really hope that they don't do that and make the same mistake again that they made with the "1st" ending. Don't make another Dexter without Dexter ffs and don't spoil the character development of Harrison by having him turn into a serial killer anyway after killing his dad. Please don't. You did good, quit while you're ahead!

[Zizu]

Thoughts on the Season/Finale :

Over all I thought the Season was great, it was much more like the original seasons, the good seasons. Over all I think it's the proper way to end it and is how I thought the original Series should have ended, Deb should have killed him instead of Harrison and survived to raise Harrison as a normal kid, instead of Dexter leaving Harrison with Hannah who was a murderer herself....bizarre choice.

So yeah the Finale was sad, it felt more like an end of an era than the original ending which is pretty good going really after all these years, it felt like the ending that Dexter deserved as much as I liked him, especially after he killed Logan to escape, that's not part of the code, harry would not have approved and I'm glad Harrison didn't either.

I hear there's talk of another Season focusing on Harrison and I really really hope that they don't do that and make the same mistake again that they made with the "1st" ending. Don't make another Dexter without Dexter ffs and don't spoil the character development of Harrison by having him turn into a serial killer anyway after killing his dad. Please don't. You did good, quit while you're ahead!


Surely he’d have to have the good hearted serial killer traits to take all the loyal fans along ..


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[Niamh.]

Surely he’d have to have the good hearted serial killer tag to take all the loyal fans along ..


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I don't care, he killed his dad, he knew what he was doing wasn't right and he didn't want to be like him. Turning him into a serial killer after all that anyway would be a step backwards for him and would make Dexter's Death pointless. I don't know about any other fans obviously but I'm not interested in a Series of Dexter without Dexter. And they can't make Harrison a "good" serial killer, there's not really such a thing which is the point that I think the show was trying to make all these years (as much as we loved Dexter) so basically what would happen would be a replay of the original, Harrison well stick rigidly to "the code" for a few years but eventually he'll end up having to make the same choices his dad did to get away with it, kill someone who doesn't deserve it or get caught.

[Zizu]

I don't care, he killed his dad, he knew what he was doing wasn't right and he didn't want to be like him. Turning him into a serial killer after all that anyway would be a step backwards for him and would make Dexter's Death pointless. I don't know about any other fans obviously but I'm not interested in a Series of Dexter without Dexter. And they can't make Harrison a "good" serial killer, there's not really such a thing which is the point that I think the show was trying to make all these years (as much as we loved Dexter) so basically what would happen would be a replay of the original, Harrison well stick rigidly to "the code" for a few years but eventually he'll end up having to make the same choices his dad did to get away with it, kill someone who doesn't deserve it or get caught.


Whose gonna bother with yet another series about a confused , moody teenager ?


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[Niamh.]

Whose gonna bother with yet another series about a confused , moody teenager ?


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Exactly :laugh:

[Cherie]

Oh I didn't realise this was a one off, I thought it ended on a cliff hanger :laugh:

[Zizu]

Exactly :laugh:


So why can’t he morph into Dexter Mark 2 ?


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[Cherie]

So why can’t he morph into Dexter Mark 2 ?


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This wouldn't surprise me, the only problem is I didn't find him particularly likeable, whereas Dexter is rather endearing

[Niamh.]

So why can’t he morph into Dexter Mark 2 ?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProBecause he isn't Dexter and we've already heard Dexter's story start to finish

[Niamh.]

This wouldn't surprise me, the only problem is I didn't find him particularly likeable, whereas Dexter is rather endearingYeah me neither and don't even talk to me about the way he eats and why they felt the need to have him eat something at least 2 times in each episode

[Cherie]

Yeah me neither and don't even talk to me about the way he eats and why they felt the need to have him eat something at least 2 times in each episode

:laugh: shovelling would be a good word

[Niamh.]

[emoji23] shovelling would be a good word[emoji1785]

[Zizu]

Because he isn't Dexter and we've already heard Dexter's story start to finish


I agree completely but if he doesn’t end up being a good hearted serial killer ..

Who’s gonna watch the new series ?

[Niamh.]

I agree completely but if he doesn’t end up being a good hearted serial killer ..

Who’s gonna watch the new series ?

I'm not going to watch another series of it. I have my closure now

[user104658]

Yeah I don't think another season would work - I could see them trying to do it with Dexter still in it, as the new Harry/Deb "on Harrison's shoulder" but I agree that it makes no sense - the overall impression I got from the show was that Harrison actually wasn't like Dexter - or even that DEXTER didn't have to be like Dexter - that with help, therapy for what happened to them as children, they could actually have overcome the darker urges. That was hinted at right from the start - Dexter successfully lived a normal life in a normal community for several years without needing to kill.

I feel like Harrison constantly trying to justify it as them helping innocent people, not being able to handle being in that bunker for the dismembering, being horrified that Dexter had killed Logan, showing some guilt/remorse for what he did to Ethan, etc... as well as having clear genuine affection for Audrey and wanting that family unit with his dad and Angela (whereas Dexter was pretty much always faking his connections)... shows that he was never quite on that same path, and it was somewhat "wishful thinking" from Dexter. He was into the "hero vigilante" idea somewhat but he saw it for what it was in the end - an excuse to kill with as few consequences as possible. He helped Dexter to see that in the end, too.

To retcon all that and have him become a killer would undo the whole narrative ... which was actually rather good.

HOWEVER I have read that the viewership is extremely high for the network it airs on in the US (Showtime) - the highest in the channel's history - so it's likely that the channel itself would have been keen for more. If Dexter himself wasn't dead I'd have said it was a certainty. They might try anyway which would be ... a shame.

[Niamh.]

Exactly TS. Exactly my thoughts too. They really need to leave it alone now, they've made up for that horrific previous season and I'm really satisfied with how they ended it.

I was actually just reading an article and the literal *only* idea I thought might be good with bringing it back (I still don't think they should but I may give this a look if they did this) Was if Dexter didn't die (even though he quite clearly did with all that blood he lost) but he was arrested and locked up for life but they turned it into a Detective Show where they'd use Dexter as a sort of Serial Killer consultant (ala Hannibal Lector/Silence of the lambs)

[Niamh.]

Also one thing that always bothered me a bit which was a bit of a plot hole (ish) is why Dexter never thought about sending Harrison to go live with his mothers(Rita) family, he had a sister and a brother he hadn't seen since Rita died and grandparents that they lived with. Wouldn't that have been the sensible option if he wanted Harrison to turn out "normal" and why did Harrison never think about finding his siblings and Grandparents?

[Cherie]

Omg not reading any more I thought it finished at ep 9 :skull: :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Omg not reading any more I thought it finished at ep 9 :skull: :laugh:

woops, sorry I did spoiler mine at the start but everyone just started talking out loud so i thought we'd all watched :skull:

[Cherie]

woops, sorry I did spoiler mine at the start but everyone just started talking out loud so i thought we'd all watched :skull:

Dont worry I thought it was a strange end :laugh:

[user104658]

Dont worry I thought it was a strange end :laugh:

I just had a look back to see how that episode ended - that would actually have been a GREAT season finale if there was going to be a Season 2 :joker:.

Actually now I'm sad that it wasn't. It essentially ends with them taking out Kurt, Dexter's house is burnt down, and Dexter and Harrison have just moved in with Angela ... only for Angela to get the "Jim Lindsay Killed Matt Caldwell" letter as the final scene.

Restuctured a bit, they could definitely have fleshed out a whole season with Angela slowly figuring out that Dexter is the Bay Harbour Butcher. You could scrap all of the stuff that she learned in the latter part of this season (the drug dealer/ketamine injections etc.) and had it that she had no suspicions about him at all until getting that letter - then she slowly pieces together all of that other stuff in a second season. Meanwhile, Dexter and Harrison stalk + catch another killer, and Harrison is figuring out that he isn't the same and doesn't really want this life. Ending on basically the same episode as it did.

I'd watch it.

[Niamh.]

I just had a look back to see how that episode ended - that would actually have been a GREAT season finale if there was going to be a Season 2 :joker:.

Actually now I'm sad that it wasn't. It essentially ends with them taking out Kurt, Dexter's house is burnt down, and Dexter and Harrison have just moved in with Angela ... only for Angela to get the "Jim Lindsay Killed Matt Caldwell" letter as the final scene.

Restuctured a bit, they could definitely have fleshed out a whole season with Angela slowly figuring out that Dexter is the Bay Harbour Butcher. You could scrap all of the stuff that she learned in the latter part of this season (the drug dealer/ketamine injections etc.) and had it that she had no suspicions about him at all until getting that letter - then she slowly pieces together all of that other stuff in a second season. Meanwhile, Dexter and Harrison stalk + catch another killer, and Harrison is figuring out that he isn't the same and doesn't really want this life. Ending on basically the same episode as it did.

I'd watch it.

Yeah they definitely could have made the idea of this season in to 2 seasons, there was more than enough material to work with. They either must not have been sure enough about how well it was going to be received/how many viewers would actually show up or the writers/Michael C Hall only wanted to sign up for a one off

[Niamh.]

Or they just wanted to right the absolute wrong that was the original final season :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Reading a bit more online, wow some people really hated the ending (although reading what they thought should have happened or wanted to happen really misses the whole point (imo) of what the writers were going for and I would have hated most of what those who hated it are suggesting

[Zizu]

Yeah I don't think another season would work - I could see them trying to do it with Dexter still in it, as the new Harry/Deb "on Harrison's shoulder" but I agree that it makes no sense - the overall impression I got from the show was that Harrison actually wasn't like Dexter - or even that DEXTER didn't have to be like Dexter - that with help, therapy for what happened to them as children, they could actually have overcome the darker urges. That was hinted at right from the start - Dexter successfully lived a normal life in a normal community for several years without needing to kill.

I feel like Harrison constantly trying to justify it as them helping innocent people, not being able to handle being in that bunker for the dismembering, being horrified that Dexter had killed Logan, showing some guilt/remorse for what he did to Ethan, etc... as well as having clear genuine affection for Audrey and wanting that family unit with his dad and Angela (whereas Dexter was pretty much always faking his connections)... shows that he was never quite on that same path, and it was somewhat "wishful thinking" from Dexter. He was into the "hero vigilante" idea somewhat but he saw it for what it was in the end - an excuse to kill with as few consequences as possible. He helped Dexter to see that in the end, too.

To retcon all that and have him become a killer would undo the whole narrative ... which was actually rather good.

HOWEVER I have read that the viewership is extremely high for the network it airs on in the US (Showtime) - the highest in the channel's history - so it's likely that the channel itself would have been keen for more. If Dexter himself wasn't dead I'd have said it was a certainty. They might try anyway which would be ... a shame.


With the figures so high I’m surprised they didn’t rewrite the last episode


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[user104658]

With the figures so high I’m surprised they didn’t rewrite the last episode


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That's true, they wouldn't have been able to rewrite/reshoot a whole episode but they could probably have reshot the very last scene (to have Dexter not die) or even if not, they could almost certainly have edited existing footage to create a different or ambiguous ending.

From interviews I've read though, the writers/director had a very clear creative vision and narrative for the series and Dexter's fate was a big part of that ... people have even asked "could Dexter survive?" and he's been very adamant and said "No, to be clear, Dexter is dead."

[bots]

is it like james bond? :laugh:

[user104658]

is it like james bond? :laugh:

More like ... ... Buffy?

"Into each generation a slayer (of serial killers) is born" ... :think:

[Niamh.]

More like ... ... Buffy?



"Into each generation a slayer (of serial killers) is born" ... :think:[emoji28]

[user104658]

Major plot twist if it's like Doctor Who and season 2 begins with Michael C Hall bursting into beams of light and emerging as Ben Affleck :omgno:

[Niamh.]

Major plot twist if it's like Doctor Who and season 2 begins with Michael C Hall bursting into beams of light and emerging as Ben Affleck :omgno:

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