Sleaze :Owen Paterson MP : HAS RESIGNED. ByElection Thurs. 16th Dec 2021

[arista]

[Conservative Owen Paterson was found to have
"repeatedly used his privileged position"
to benefit Randox, a clinical diagnostics company,
and Lynn's Country Foods, a meat processor
and distributor and has been recommended
for suspension from the Commons for a month.

The MP, who was
environment secretary from 2012 to 2014,
was a paid consultant for Randox from 2015
and for Lynn's Country Foods from 2016.
The allegations relate to his conduct between
October 2016 and February 2020.]


He claims it was not a Proper Investigation
and he was saving lives?

But Rules are bloody rules


Some state this should mean a By Election
must be called?


https://news.sky.com/story/owen-paterson-ex-tory-minister-faces-suspension-after-lobbying-on-behalf-of-two-companies-12444841



Ref: All Out Politics SkyNewsHD,
Politics Live BBC2HD

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[joeysteele]

Another one.

[Alf]

I don't care how corrupt he is, I'd still trust him if he told me that I have to be lockdown in my home and that I had to wear a mask, he's a politician, so he knows what's best for me, even more than I do. He is my guardian.

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[arista]

I don't care how corrupt he is, I'd still trust him if he told me that I have to be lockdown in my home and that I had to wear a mask, he's a politician, so he knows what's best for me, even more than I do. He is my guardian.


No he does not like masks

[arista]

He is still in Parliament
until Wednesday when he has a hearing
he hopes to speak in.

He was just Live on Political Correction programme
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It appears his mate the Prime Minister
is changing the rules.


To save him from the 30 day ban.

BBC2HD Politics Live

[Liam-]

It appears his mate the Prime Minister
is changing the rules.


To save him from the 30 day ban.

BBC2HD Politics Live

Well that is a complete shock, that nobody saw coming whatsoever

[bots]

the process is unfair, i don't think anyone sensible would dispute that

[joeysteele]

It appears his mate the Prime Minister
is changing the rules.


To save him from the 30 day ban.

BBC2HD Politics Live

Obscene.
Not however surprising from Johnson and his cronies.

[Vicky.]

Sorry but :laugh: Jesus ****ing christ.

[arista]

There is a vote later.

Conservatives expected to Win.

They are saying the system must be changed
it just happens Owen Paterson is at this time?

Ref: Extended BBC Politics Live BBC2HD / SkyNewsHD All Out Politics.

[Liam-]

Ah, of course, just convenient timing

[arista]

Live In Parliament Now (Both News Channels)


Rees Mogg starting the Debate.

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The Ayes to the Right 250

The Ayes to the Left 232.


Conservatives have won the First Vote by 18

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The Ayes to the Right 248


The eyes to the Left 221

Conservatives have won the Second Vote

[joeysteele]

Terrible message sent out here.
However it won't make a scrap of difference unfortunately to enough voters.

[bots]

i think where they have a body that dictates what happens to someone without them having any representation or the ability to call witnesses, it's wrong

I wouldn't like that to happen to me, and i presume no one else would like it either.

That is the fundamental issue. He hasn't been absolved of guilt, they just want the correct process

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What Standards ????

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10161507/Tory-MPs-succeed-bid-block-suspension-Owen-Paterson.html

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It STINKS.

[arista]

It STINKS.


Yes it does

[LaLaLand]

This is just blatant, outright corruption. They’re not even hiding it anymore.

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This is just blatant, outright corruption. They’re not even hiding it anymore.



Yes some have said it's like what Trump
was doing in USA.

Keir Starmer has called it "Coruption"

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Yet they will still win a election

[arista]

Yet they will still win a election


Last time it was Corbyn 2019
so an easy win.



Next time it's Sharper Starmer

[bots]

mp's lobby on behalf of business all the time. Those shaking their fists in anger are not understanding that lobbying will always go on, it's the norm, they are all doing it in every party

[Alf]

Last time it was Corbyn 2019
so an easy win.



Next time it's Sharper StarmerStarmer lost when he took the knee, that photo will guarantee he doesn't win anything. People don't like to see their leaders being submissive to bullying organisations, they prefer to see leadership. He's toast already.

[Beso]

mp's lobby on behalf of business all the time. Those shaking their fists in anger are not understanding that lobbying will always go on, it's the norm, they are all doing it in every party

And it's acceptable if it's for the greater good if the country..which his food stuff is.

[arista]

Starmer lost when he took the knee, that photo will guarantee he doesn't win anything. People don't like to see their leaders being submissive to bullying organisations, they prefer to see leadership. He's toast already.


Yes Starmer makes errors


So does Johnson.

[joeysteele]

Yes Starmer makes errors


So does Johnson.

IF, they'd left this conclusion as to this MP in place and voted to suspend him.
Thereby enacting the punishment.

To then look at replacing or amending the current rules on the issue for future cases.
Then that would have looked better.

The way they've done this, and because they've had a judgement they don't like, for the PM and his government to now wish to rewrite all of it
Is a disgrace and should be unacceptable.

There's never been an appeals process.

The argument can be made there ought to be but this re-writing of the rules which have been in place and accepted for some considerable time..
Is what highlights the further deceit and lack of integrity of the Prime minister and his leadership of his government, which just leaves a rotten stench around it all.

It really is incredible to me that there's anyone who could believe a word Johnson says.
Or trusts him, that's really beyond belief to me.

[arista]

Yes Joey but Johnson
also hates the women in charge of that committee
as she is on his case.


So he has gone ahead
with getting her removed


The new Committee will be
only Conservatives.
SNP and Labour will not join it.

[arista]

Jacob is Live in Parliament now

Again talking about how right they are

[Liam-]

They’re corrupt, right from the top

[arista]

They’re corrupt, right from the top


Yes but In Power.


What do you want?
A General Election to be called?

[joeysteele]

Yes Joey but Johnson
also hates the women in charge of that committee
as she is on his case.


So he has gone ahead
with getting her removed


The new Committee will be
only Conservatives.
SNP and Labour will not join it.

I'm glad Labour and the SNP won't.
I'm surprised the Lib Dems, (if they're still about), haven't been up in arms on this too.

[arista]

I'm glad Labour and the SNP won't.
I'm surprised the Lib Dems, (if they're still about), haven't been up in arms on this too.



There is still time

[arista]

Owen claims his Wife killed herself
at the start of this Enquiry?

2 years back

[arista]

SkyNews/BBCnews are saying they will Vote again today
on, if to suspend Owen

[joeysteele]

SkyNews/BBCnews are saying they will Vote again today
on, if to suspend Owen

I think they should.

[Liam-]

They’ll just force the ones that abstained to vote with them, or risk losing their jobs

[Vicky.]

Was talking to a taxi driver this morning about this. I think that basically the job of a politician is to be the best at lying and manipulation. Do not expect consistency.

[arista]

They’ll just force the ones that abstained to vote with them, or risk losing their jobs



Yes that sounds sneaky

[arista]

Emergency Debate about Owen on Monday
and a New Vote.


Now set up.

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You know it’s bad when the Mail are dragging them

[arista]

You know it’s bad when the Mail are dragging them


Yes The Prime Minister
is taking notice


Let's see what happens on Monday
possible New Vote on Owen Peterson.

More Front pages
tonight.

[Vicky.]

You know it’s bad when the Mail are dragging them

:laugh:

[arista]

Conservative MP's have
had their
Office Trashed

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[arista]

He has Now Resigned

[Beso]

He has Now Resigned

Has his money resigned with him?

[arista]

Has his money resigned with him?


Yes all in the Bank.


He is Like Former PM Cameron



CADS

[arista]

Another ByElection.

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[LaLaLand]

The fact that he’s even had the chance to resign and not be disgracefully sacked like he deserves to be is just deja vu of the whole Hancock situation all over again.

[arista]

The fact that he’s even had the chance to resign and not be disgracefully sacked like he deserves to be is just deja vu of the whole Hancock situation all over again.

Yes the Easy way out.

He will want to go to the House of the Lords.


High count Conservative area.
But in a By Election it gets complex.

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[joeysteele]

Good riddance to him.

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[Cherie]

A complete mess as usual

[Beso]

He looks like that sick bastard in the other thread.

[arista]

He looks like that sick bastard in the other thread.


His wife killed herself
over this
2 years back.

[bots]

i do have a problem with him exploiting the wife killed herself aspect. That wasnt the fault of the watchdog, that was his fault for getting in a questionable position in the first place. I don't think anyone has an issue with him being investigated, the only thing under scrutiny is the process that the standards committee follows

[Vicky.]

Only resigned because the plan didnt work and the public kicked off too much. Power to the people :laugh:

[arista]

Only resigned because the plan didnt work and the public kicked off too much. Power to the people :laugh:



Yes also
Labour /SNP saying they would not join
the possible new reformed Committee group

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Quits rather than face sanctions?

I thought it was decided there wouldnt be sanctions, and thats why the kickoffs happened :laugh: So no, he quit because his backup plan of hoping to sail through with minimal fuss didnt work. So now hes trying to save face. Or Boris is. Given its ultimately down to him really. Plan backfired. Like with many other uturns.

[arista]

Quits rather than face sanctions?

I thought it was decided there wouldnt be sanctions, and thats why the kickoffs happened :laugh: So no, he quit because his backup plan of hoping to sail through with minimal fuss didnt work. So now hes trying to save face. Or Boris is. Given its ultimately down to him really. Plan backfired. Like with many other uturns.



Yes No Parliament from Weds
Another break.

Back on the 15th of Nov Monday

[Vicky.]

Yes No Parliament from Weds
Another break.

Back on the 15th of Nov Monday

Yes another happy coincidence I am sure :D

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Its good he's gone , way too many questionable things about this man.

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Former Conservative Prime Minister Sir John Major has criticised the government's handling of Owen Paterson's case as shameful and wrong.

In a BBC interview, he said the actions of Boris Johnson's government had trashed Parliament's reputation at home and abroad, and were "un-Conservative".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59188972

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everyone knows it will all be forgotten about in a month and that labour have done much, much worse in their time

[arista]

everyone knows it will all be forgotten about in a month and that labour have done much, much worse in their time

Yes Valid Point.


Marr did press Starmer on the amount
of Criminal Ex labour MP's.

[joeysteele]

Yes Valid Point.


Marr did press Starmer on the amount
of Criminal Ex labour MP's.

NO Labour PM has been found by the 2 highest courts in the UK to have acted unlawfully in power.

Whatever MPs may have done before, they are all wrong if they've done wrong.

This MP at the centre of this, had the Prime Minister, his Ministers and government setting out to use the power they had to cover and protect this said MP.

That's a world away from what's gone before.
A WORLD away.

Although I knew soon, excusing this PM and detracting onto others, would come into play at some point from the Con supporters side.

[Alf]

Another story designed to clog up the news cycle for weeks which is basically of no benefit for we the people.

One thing you can credit the establishment for is that they know how to play people like fiddles.

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3:30PM today Live
Parliament has the Lib Dem motion
set last week,
on rule breaking


Will the Prime Minister be there?

[Sir Keir Starmer demands Boris Johnson apologise
to the nation over Owen Paterson sleaze row
ahead of emergency debate]

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-demands-boris-johnson-apologise-to-the-nation-over-owen-paterson-sleaze-row-ahead-of-emergency-debate-12463673

[Alf]

3:30PM today Live
Parliament has the Lib Dem motion
set last week,
on rule breakingLib Dem? Do they still exist?

[arista]

Lib Dem? Do they still exist?



Yes around 12 of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Democrats_(UK)

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[arista]

Johnson PM is not there today at 3:30PM


He is at a North England
Hospital.


Steve Barclay MP is there instead.
To Piss Off Starmer



Ref:Times Radio DAB and Free online

[arista]

Prime Minister Johnson
in North England Hospital. (Clip on all News Channels)

Has spoken about this debate
which he is not attending today


Johnson said the Speaker in parliament will set
up a better system.

[arista]

The Labour Leader is live

[joeysteele]

Well would anyone be surprised the PM isn't there.
I'm certainly not.

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Typical of the Left Winger
on LBC Live


He is going through a Conservative List
of MP's with 2nd contracts

Why is he not Also doing the Labour Party?
At the same time.

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[arista]

Cox has put a statement out
he will co-operate with the enquiry.

And has said he gets voted in by the public.
Not breaking any rules etc.

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[bots]

what they really need to do is stop MP's taking second jobs. This has bugged me for years. That would make outside lobbying much more clear cut

[arista]

what they really need to do is stop MP's taking second jobs. This has bugged me for years. That would make outside lobbying much more clear cut


Yes a shame
New Labour Blair increased it all

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Defence Secretary Ben Wallace will write to Labour and the SNP to express disappointment over the alleged poor behaviour of some of their MPs on a visit to troops in Gibraltar.

A witness told the BBC two SNP MPs drank very heavily on the journey and were inebriated on arrival.

The account was rejected by the SNP, who called the accusations "false".

A Labour MP has also been accused of drinking with the two SNP MPs. The party hasn't yet commented.

Mr Wallace said the alleged conduct "risks undermining respect for Parliament".

A group of 15 MPs were visiting troops in Gibraltar this week as part of the Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme, which aims to give members of Parliament an insight into military life.

The witness said the three MPs in question drank in the airport lounge before departure then drank heavily on the flight.

But the SNP rejected the claims, and said their two MPs - Drew Hendry and David Linden - were "honoured to be invited" on the trip.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59243206

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Bad behaviour from the SNP and labour

[arista]

The Left Winger on LBC
is doing the same show as he did yesterday.

Thats just Pathetic.

[arista]

Typical of the Left Winger
on LBC Live


He is going through a Conservative List
of MP's with 2nd contracts

Why is he not Also doing the Labour Party?
At the same time.


My post from yesterday
LBC same topic right now

[arista]

Defence Secretary Ben Wallace will write to Labour and the SNP to express disappointment over the alleged poor behaviour of some of their MPs on a visit to troops in Gibraltar.

A witness told the BBC two SNP MPs drank very heavily on the journey and were inebriated on arrival.

The account was rejected by the SNP, who called the accusations "false".

A Labour MP has also been accused of drinking with the two SNP MPs. The party hasn't yet commented.

Mr Wallace said the alleged conduct "risks undermining respect for Parliament".

A group of 15 MPs were visiting troops in Gibraltar this week as part of the Armed Forces Parliamentary Scheme, which aims to give members of Parliament an insight into military life.

The witness said the three MPs in question drank in the airport lounge before departure then drank heavily on the flight.

But the SNP rejected the claims, and said their two MPs - Drew Hendry and David Linden - were "honoured to be invited" on the trip.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59243206

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Bad behaviour from the SNP and labour


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[joeysteele]

This doesn't sound like any behaviour David Linden would engage in.

It's a bit rich for the Cons to be talking at this time about undermining the respect of parliament.
Unbelievable.

If they HAVE, acted like the Cons state, IF, then indeed discipline needs to be enacted.
However this PM, and the Cons really need to take a long hard look at their own.

[bots]

the problem Joey is that an awful lot of MP's across the board take advantage of their jobs or act in a manner unsuitable for the status of the job, and it's been going on for decades.

I hate to refer back to Tony Blair, but the reason I do so in this case is because he had a massive majority. He laughed at ethics during his time because he could, a lot of MP's flouted the rules too. With a large majority, democracy and ethical concern goes out the window because they know they are protected (unless the press go wild or they did something really bad)

Boris is acting pretty much the same, he does at least reverse decisions some times when there is an outcry, so that's an improvement over Blair.

Going back even further to Thatcher's massive majority and MP's were held accountable quite regularly. There were plenty incidents, but they did result in resignations etc. I think the reason for that was that in those days MP's were still respected unlike now, so the scale of transgression always seemed more obvious

[joeysteele]

the problem Joey is that an awful lot of MP's across the board take advantage of their jobs or act in a manner unsuitable for the status of the job, and it's been going on for decades.

I hate to refer back to Tony Blair, but the reason I do so in this case is because he had a massive majority. He laughed at ethics during his time because he could, a lot of MP's flouted the rules too. With a large majority, democracy and ethical concern goes out the window because they know they are protected (unless the press go wild or they did something really bad)

Boris is acting pretty much the same, he does at least reverse decisions some times when there is an outcry, so that's an improvement over Blair.

Going back even further to Thatcher's massive majority and MP's were held accountable quite regularly. There were plenty incidents, but they did result in resignations etc. I think the reason for that was that in those days MP's were still respected unlike now, so the scale of transgression always seemed more obvious

I completely agree with most of all that.

The whole political system needs changing from the top down.
I would never disagree with you re Blair.

This is why I don't like governments with massive majorities.
I'm not going to do my usual as to changing the electoral system.
Which would in my view make MPs far more concerned at impressing their voters and holding their seats.

Johnson however in my view only backtracks after media and public outcry.
Had he had no or little negative response to putting his vote to change this system to assist this MP.
Then he'd have not even considered a u turn on it.

He knew these things needed to be set up with cross party agreement.
He rushed this through, whipping his MPs.
Without EVER consulting other parties.

It's good there was an outcry.
Without it, he wouldn't have listened at all.

Politics I doubt now cannot be mended, without a change to ensure NO party can govern after getting the support of around 4 in 10 voters.
With majorities of high double figure seats.

For as long as we have around 40% of voters dictating a massive overall majority government over the near 57% of voters who didn't support having such a government.
Then trust and respect cannot be restored.

I don't necessarily agree, an awful lot of MPs take advantage.
I think it's a reasonable number but not an awful lot.

I know there are dedicated, caring MPs across ALL parties, who try to hold their integrity and do the best they can in their career for their constituents.

Overall however, I agree with your post in the main.

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[bots]

i think the MP who suggested Rashford concentrate on his day job and had a second job themselves is absolutely priceless :laugh:

That has to be the story of the week

[arista]

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[arista]

Johnson PM
confirmed a By Election in December
for Owen Paterson seat

He was just on SkyNewsHD
recorded at a Covid Vaccinate place.

[joeysteele]

Johnson PM
confirmed a By Election in December
for Owen Paterson seat

He was just on SkyNewsHD
recorded at a Covid Vaccinate place.

I'm surprised he's wanting it done this rapidly.

[bots]

I'm surprised he's wanting it done this rapidly.

less time for the opposition to organise the anti sleaze campaign against them.

The last time this was done a complete idiot got elected too

[arista]

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[arista]

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[joeysteele]

less time for the opposition to organise the anti sleaze campaign against them.

The last time this was done a complete idiot got elected too


Labour has not gone along with dropping out and putting up an anti sleaze candidate up though.
Labour will be standing.

I thought the anti sleaze candidate idea was ridiculous.
Would the Labour party, Lib Dems and Greens be saying, their OWN candidates wouldn't be anti sleaze.
Bonkers.

Plus, the new Conservative candidate too, surely wouldn't be a sleaze one either..
I'm sure the Cons will ensure a safer pair of hands for this seat.

[arista]

BBC text:
[Sunday Mirror alleges on its front page that
Conservative MP Richard Fuller has received
more than £700,000 from work outside
his parliamentary role,
with a large chunk allegedly coming from
a firm which the paper reports invests
in spy technology in China.
The Mirror carries a quote from Labour
which has said the so-called sleaze scandal
"gets worse by the day".]

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[arista]

BBC Text :
[The Times headlines on a backlash
from some Tory MPs over plans to ban
them from taking second jobs.]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[joeysteele]

He did indeed crash on the Paterson affair.

What sticks in my mind, which this PM will never answer.
Is since these things are designed on a cross party basis.
With this PM now saying he wants it done on a cross party basis.

Why then, 2 weeks ago did he dismiss other parties and independently push through parliament his own policy, to erase the findings of the already cross party findings on Paterson.
Forcing his MPs to back it too.

Why didn't he before that, do cross party consultation rather than in terrible judgement and deliberately to save one of his own exclude ALL other parties.

Honestly, had there been little or no backlash.
What he set out to do 2 weeks ago he'd have done.
Never thinking of backtracking.

Now the old chestnut of hindsight may be a defence of him by some of his harder line supporters.
I've come in my life so far, to see hindsight actually as often just more like shocking and incompetent planning and judgement in the first place.

Then his victory yesterday comes with less than half even of the Commons voting strength.
Even around 60 less of his OWN MPs voting strength too.

[bots]

it's all down to effective opposition or lack of. The strongest opposition at the moment is from the general public and the media, not the labour party

[arista]

"What sticks in my mind, which this PM will never answer."


But that is what Johnson PM is like
he avoids being Sorry.

[joeysteele]

it's all down to effective opposition or lack of. The strongest opposition at the moment is from the general public and the media, not the labour party

Well we have a PM and Ministers who don't respect parliamentary procedure or even the Speaker.
So they're hardly going to ever listen to the opposition.

You keep battering the Labour party.
It has its vision and ideas.
You may not like their vision and prefer this hard-line government breaking laws and rules across the board.

The leader of the opposition and other opposition leaders, question this PM in parliament but get dismissed with tripe and no real answers.
He even ignores correction from the Speaker.
So what do opppsitons do in that scenario.

When faced with a self styled buffoon as Leader of the Nation.
However in my view an ignorant and a dangerous buffoon who only shows disrespect for authority above him and rules and laws.

Plus has a media which still backs him in the main, a media which won't give a fairer and balanced presentation of opposition to the government, from ALL parties, not just Labour.

[bots]

it still doesn't get past the fact that labour as the official opposition are completely useless. We can wrap that up however you like, but that's their job and they are completely ineffective. It's pretty ridiculous to blame the PM for the lack of opposition

[joeysteele]

it still doesn't get past the fact that labour as the official opposition are completely useless. We can wrap that up however you like, but that's their job and they are completely ineffective. It's pretty ridiculous to blame the PM for the lack of opposition

He doesn't accept opposition.
You can deflect from his ignorance all you wish.
It's no surprise to me as a Con supporter.

Opposition you say.
Everytime Labour pulls up the government, even on this sleaze where he's had to backtrack.
You and others criticise Labour.

Labour could have policies akin to perfection but Cons, possibly yourself included, would never admit it.
As the Cons are your party.

I as a Labour supporter would likely be one of a Labour led government's hardest critics if they did wrong in power.

All hard-line and closet hardline Cons do is turn things back on Labour, to deflect the failings, terrible failings of this PM and their government.
Still backing them all the way, no matter what.

It's why I really hope we across the Labour movement, can persuade even more Labour MPs and Starmer to adopt PR.
Yes, Labour may never then be a majority government again.
However to those hard-line Cons, the Cons would never likely be a majority government again either.

Certainly not with an 80 majority for only 43% of the votes.
.I believe PR can be achieved, it's estimated around 80% of Labour members want it.
Labour voters I know from canvassing seem to want it.

The whole parliamentary process from elections to what happens in parliament, needs reform in my view, top to bottom.
If I had my way I'd change near everything about governmental process.

PR is the way to do so for starters.

All the opposition parties are ineffective because they are near all, except for the extreme DUP, on the same sheet as to Opposition to this detestable government.

Which is a government which has no respect, little integrity and uses its 80 seat majority to ride all over and dismiss all opposition.

You can shout at someone all you like, however is as if with this PM they've stuffed their ears and don't care, you will remain ineffective.

Labour needs a new idea, a reforming idea and for me PR would not ONLY be attractive to most voters, ( not the 30% I think are hardline Con Voters), however it would get the attention of and attract the up to 30% who never vote in elections, believing there's no point as their votes are wasted.

Under PR most of those non voters could then greatly help transform parliament and government.
To create better and more concensus government too.

[arista]

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[bots]

Former cabinet minister Sir Geoffrey Cox earned £54,400 for legal work that he carried out in August, the latest details on MPs' earnings show.

They also reveal that Prime Minister Boris Johnson received free use of a suite at Heathrow Airport worth £1,800.

MPs must reveal any additional income - along with gifts, donations and shareholdings over 15% - in the register of members' interests.

It is updated every two weeks and MPs may be sanctioned if they don't comply.

The latest register shows Scottish Tory leader Douglas Ross made £6,728 for football referee work from November 2020 to January this year.

He had apologised for failing to fully record his MSP salary and earnings as a football referee.

Former PM Theresa May declared flights, meals and accommodation for three people worth £7,611 for a visit to San Marino.

Meanwhile, Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has declared book royalties of £135.78.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59336581

:skull:

i would say that if an mp's earnings in parliament are not their main income then being an MP is not their primary job, its a part time top up to enable other income. That is wrong

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

The by-election caused by the resignation
of Tory MP Owen Paterson will take place on
Thursday 16 December.


Was debated
on BBC1HD 10PM Politics England
Midlands


A Labour MP thinks their man can win.

[arista]

Dr Shastri-Hurst is the Conservative candidate
in the North Shropshire

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/politics/2021/11/23/doctors-prescription-for-county-seat/

[arista]

Labour by-election candidate
Ben Wood is a local lad.

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/politics/north-shropshire-by-election/2021/11/22/opportunities-being-denied-to-north-shropshire-says-labour-by-election-candidate/

[arista]

Shropshire Council announced the 14 names.
They are:

Neil Shastri Hurst, The Conservative Party

Ben Wood, Labour

Helen Margaret Lillian Morgan, Liberal Democrats

Kirsty Rebecca Walmsley, Reform UK

Martin Edward Daubney, The Reclaim Party



Suzie Akers Smith, Independent
Andrea Christabel Allen, UKIP
Russell Fraser Dean, The Party Party
Duncan Alistair Kerr, Green Party[/B]
Boris Been Bunged, Rejoin EU
James Alexander Elliot, Heritage Party
Howling Lord Hope, The Official Monster Raving Looney Party
Earl Elvis Phillipe Jesse, Freedom Alliance The Real Alternative
Yolande Ann Kenward, Independent




https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/local-hubs/north-shropshire/2021/11/19/battle-lines-drawn-in-by-election/

[joeysteele]

Who knows.
Myself I think a likely fairly good Con win.

How I'd love to see otherwise however.

[arista]

Who knows.
Myself I think a likely fairly good Con win.

How I'd love to see otherwise however.



Yes The Labour Fella
is a bit young
Lacking Experience?

[arista]

NewsnightHD BBC2
had their reporter there
the red faced Labour Lad was aged 2 in 1997
He really lacks experience.

But there is anger at the Westminster Trouble
we find out this Thursday
who wins?

[joeysteele]

I don't think age is a barrier to competence of being a good constituency MP.

Of course I'd love to see a Labour win here but I can't see it.

Okay there'll be a sleaze factor and the recent chaos of this PMs own making by his deceit.
That's not the fault of the new Con candidate however.

This has been a Con seat since it was formed.
Labour and Lib Dems have alternated as to being in 2nd place over the years.

The closest Labour came to winning it was in 1997 only.

The Labour candidate is a good one and I hope he does well.
Age doesn't matter however, how on earth is there going to be more young people coming forward for election if people are going to discount them because they're only in their 20s.
That surely shouldn't be even an issue.

Especially looking at the mess much older politicians in high office are making of things.

[arista]

"I don't think age is a barrier to competence of being a good constituency MP"


On this Labour Lad
he is not experienced enough
they should have picked,
an older fella.

[arista]

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Labour's lad Ben Wood.
Yesterday,from his own twitter feed.


Older helpers
have to help in.

[joeysteele]

Older members and volunteers always help in elections.
Regardless of the candidates age.

He's not going to be Prime Minister or in a high profile political position??

Plus he's past his mid 20s.
He's hardly just out of school.
He's only about 3 years younger than me in fact.

[arista]

Older members and volunteers always help in elections.
Regardless of the candidates age.

He's not going to be Prime Minister or in a high profile political position??

Plus he's past his mid 20s.
He's hardly just out of school.
He's only about 3 years younger than me in fact.


Sure but watching
him on NewsnightHD BBC2
last night.
Showed him as a boy.

[joeysteele]

Sure but watching
him on NewsnightHD BBC2
last night.
Showed him as a boy.


What??? :joker:

He's not a boy now.
He's from the area, his schooling was in the area.

[arista]

What??? :joker:

He's not a boy now.
He's from the area, his schooling was in the area.




Yes but caught sticking out of a door
he looked like boy
not a man.


Great Interview on Friday's,
NewsnightHD BBC2

[joeysteele]

Yes but caught sticking out of a door
he looked like boy
not a man.


Great Interview on Friday's,
NewsnightHD BBC2

Good lord!!

[arista]

SkyNewsHD
claim the LibDems can win this
the bookies say?

[arista]

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[Lib Dem leader Sir Ed Davey with North Shropshire
by-election candidate Helen Morgan and activisits.]


https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/politics/north-shropshire-by-election/2021/11/20/north-shropshire-by-election-government-is-forgetting-the-area-says-lib-dem-leader/

[joeysteele]

It's possible the Lib Dems may.
It depends on which voters band up behind the one more likely to win this strong Con seat.

I still think the Con candidate will win it.

[arista]

It's possible the Lib Dems may.
It depends on which voters band up behind the one more likely to win this strong Con seat.

I still think the Con candidate will win it.



Yes it could be a late night race
between Conservative and LibDem.

[arista]

Lib Dems have Won.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/17/north-shropshire-byelection-liberal-democrats-say-they-will-win-comfortably-as-count-continues


[Helen Morgan, the Lib Dem candidate, took 17,957 votes,
ahead of the Conservatives’ Neil Shastri-Hurst, on 12,032,
a majority of 5,925.
Labour’s Ben Wood was third, with 3,686 votes.]


Ed Davey has Covid.
so Remote

[bots]

thats a simple statement by voters that they don't like sleaze or double standards. Im glad the tories lost it

[Oliver_W]

Losing such a "safe" seat, I wonder if a vote of no confidence is coming for BoJo. The backbenchers have been stirring for a while from what I hear, and that's who makes up the 1922 Committee...

Sorry if this has been discussed, but why was it the Lib Dems who were being bolstered as the replacement instead of Labour? I mean, obviously it worked as she won :joker: I read that some would-be Labours revolted because a well-liked candidate was deselected?

[bots]

i think it's a warning to the tories that the public won't stand for all the nonsense. They really need to up their game quickly

[arista]

Losing such a "safe" seat, I wonder if a vote of no confidence is coming for BoJo. The backbenchers have been stirring for a while from what I hear, and that's who makes up the 1922 Committee...

Sorry if this has been discussed, but why was it the Lib Dems who were being bolstered as the replacement instead of Labour? I mean, obviously it worked as she won :joker: I read that some would-be Labours revolted because a well-liked candidate was deselected?


The Labour put up
a Boy.
To young.

[joeysteele]

The Labour put up
a Boy.
To young.

This seat is NEVER going to be a Labour seat
It used to be in the main the Lib Dems as challengers really.

You aren't going to get Con votes here going to Labour.

The Lib Dems do seem to be regaining some trust in strong Con areas, after the rout of the Lib Dems post the coalition.

Labour votes, many of them, went tactically to the Lib Dems to get the Cons out.
It made perfect sense to do so.

This happening across the Country would see the Cons well beaten in a future election.

Labour carried out a lower key campaign.
I repeat there never has likely been a chance of and there never will be a Labour MP for North Shropshire..
It was right for Labour voters to support the Lib Dem.
Because in this seat, the Con votes that would change were always more likely to go to the Lib Dems.
So a good result.

Yes, it's a by election on under a half of voters turnout.
So this could return to the Cons in the next election.

Although the size of the new majority, 6,000, was unexpected.
I thought the Cons would hold on.
I never saw this result coming in this Con massive stronghold.

I support and was pleased to see Labour voters in a seat they can't ever win, putting their support to the party who could beat the Cons by taking the Con votes too.

It's unfortunate this kind of thing doesn't happen across the board actually.

[arista]

"You aren't going to get Con votes here going to Labour."



Very true Joey they Jumped
to our old bed fellows LibDems.

[arista]

Tim Farron had a Blue Boris Balloon
burst by the new MP.


He is there as Ed has Covid at home.


Tim is Bigging the win up
"Since the War"

[arista]

Many Conservatives
thought this would happen for this seat.


LibDems are Dreaming
they will not take UK power in 2024

[smudgie]

Hopefully it will send a message out to the Tories, they need to sort themselves out.

[arista]

Also confirmed
loads of Labour Voters jumped to LibDems.

[arista]

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