USA: 9 Dead crushed at Travis Scott's Astroworld Festival

[arista]

50,000 there

Day 2 Cancelled by Police.


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1261F/production/_121459257_travisgetty.jpg
Rapper Travis

[8 people have died and scores of people
have been hurt after a crowd surge on
the opening night of a music festival in Houston, Texas.

Panic broke out after the crowd began
to press towards the front of the
stage at Travis Scott's Astroworld Festival,
emergency officials said.

Eleven people were taken to hospitals
in cardiac arrest and eight died.
Some 300 people were treated for injuries
such as cuts and bruises at the event,
attended by 50,000 people.

Local politician Lina Hidalgo, county judge
of Harris County, described what had
happened as an "extremely tragic night".

"Our hearts are broken," she said. "People go
to these events looking for a good time,
a chance to unwind, to make memories - it's not
the kind of event you go to where you
expect to find out about fatalities."]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59188960

[bots]

obviously wasn't sufficient safety/crowd control in place. Get the organisers in court

[Cherie]

In this day and age that a 50,000 crowd could surge forward like that is inexplicable

[arista]

obviously wasn't sufficient safety/crowd control in place. Get the organisers in court


Yes they made big money
get them in court.

[arista]

A 14 year old and 16 year old
are among the 8 dead.

[Alf]

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[arista]

What year was that? Alf

[Alf]

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[Alf]

What year was that? AlfI don't know, there's no date. The point is, he's a prick.

[Alf]

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[Alf]

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[Alf]

Any clues what's happening here? I don't know.



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[user104658]

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If he was revived with Narcan (naloxone) then he was injected with heroin or, if he passed out instantly, more likely fentanyl.

Needle assaults seem to be becoming much more common, scarily enough.

[arista]

I don't know, there's no date. The point is, he's a prick.


Yes but that is Pre Covid


You should state that



This year he was better
going back loads of years is easy.

[Alf]

Yes but that is Pre Covid


You should state that



This year he was better
going back loads of years is easy.It's always good to know the character of the person at his concerts when you're looking to find out what went on. I can show you videos of him being an uncaring arsehole from last night if you like?

[Alf]

Yes! We need some people with the knowledge to explain this, it all looks very dodgy.



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[arista]

It's always good to know the character of the person at his concerts when you're looking to find out what went on. I can show you videos of him being an uncaring arsehole from last night if you like?


Travis himself did not cause this
he is very sorry for those that died.



The Police are not after him.

[arista]

Travis Scott concert: Child, 14, among eight killed
after crowd surge - as police reveal security
officer 'injected in neck'


[A 14-year-old child was among eight people
killed following a crowd surge during
a performance by rapper Travis Scott.

A 16-year-old also died in the
disaster at Astroworld Festival in
Houston, Texas, on Friday,
the city's mayor Sylvester Turner said.

The mayor told a news conference
on Saturday there were "a lot of unanswered questions"
about the cause of the tragedy.

A criminal investigation is now under way.

However, police confirmed an incident
at the event where a security officer
was left unconscious after apparently
being injected in the neck by a concert-goer.]

https://news.sky.com/story/child-14-among-eight-killed-after-crowd-surge-at-travis-scott-concert-12462464

[arista]

Post Facts Alf.

[Alf]

Travis himself did not cause this
he is very sorry for those that died.



The Police are not after him.Who are you, his lawyer? His spokesman? You're just a government media parrot.

Lots of people are calling for his arrest and for him to be charged.

Step out of your echo chamber once in a while and you might just see a different opinion or two on things.

[Alf]

Post Facts Alf.If I knew facts, I wouldn't be on this forum, I'm a person chatting on a forum. It's what people do, they speculate on things.

[arista]

Who are you, his lawyer? His spokesman? You're just a government media parrot.

Lots of people are calling for his arrest and for him to be charged.

Step out of your echo chamber once in a while and you might just see a different opinion or two on things.



No I have never met this rapper.


I am post Facts from news feed
not Tweets from people
that hate him- That is Biased/unfairly prejudiced.


Lay it on the Line, Alf.

[Alf]

No I have never met this rapper.


I am post Facts from news feed
not Tweets from people
that hate him- That is Biased/unfairly prejudiced.


Lay it on the Line, Alf.You was wrong on the facts that Trump colluded with Russia. It's now Hillary's people being looked at.

I assume you was wrong in saying that 2 jabs would buy back our freedom from Covid. How's that one going?

[Alf]

There's gonna be an investigation to this story, but you believe that you already have the facts. Where as I am putting things out there so that we can do our own investigations.

Why would I trust anything the media says when they have a past of being untruthful and have been proven to cover up child grooming and rape. They're not my kind of people.

[arista]

You was wrong on the facts that Trump colluded with Russia. It's now Hillary's people being looked at.

I assume you was wrong in saying that 2 jabs would buy back our freedom from Covid. How's that one going?



No, on Trump
I know he did not Collude with Russia.


And its 3 jabs you need Alf.

[arista]

There's gonna be an investigation to this story, but you believe that you already have the facts. Where as I am putting things out there so that we can do our own investigations.

Why would I trust anything the media says when they have a past of being untruthful and have been proven to cover up child grooming and rape. They're not my kind of people.



Reuters is worthy of you Following

https://twitter.com/Reuters

[Alf]

Reuters is worthy of you Following

https://twitter.com/ReutersTo slow, the modern day journalists are the people with phones. They're there to catch the action live on video as it happens, and they can post it to the World instantly.

As "The Jam" once said "This is the modern World"

[user104658]

To slow, the modern day journalists are the people with phones. They're there to catch the action live on video as it happens, and they can post it to the World instantly.


Out of context and sometimes completely falsely though… you can’t trust a social media narrative any more than a mainstream press narrative. You have to piece together the truth from various sources and what seems realistic/logical.

Remember at the start of Covid when Social Media was full of videos of people “collapsing in the street” in Wuhan… which were found to be from years earlier and of random things like people having heart attacks.

Easy to show something out of context with a sentence saying “This is what you’re seeing here…” and have gullible people buy into it.

[arista]

Leslie Hans
was at the Gig
he is on CNN HD Live.

He says the show was very rowdy
because it was not on last year.
He did not see the Crush
he found it strange, that so many kids were there,
under age.

[Cherie]

Out of context and sometimes completely falsely though… you can’t trust a social media narrative any more than a mainstream press narrative. You have to piece together the truth from various sources and what seems realistic/logical.

Remember at the start of Covid when Social Media was full of videos of people “collapsing in the street” in Wuhan… which were found to be from years earlier and of random things like people having heart attacks.

Easy to show something out of context with a sentence saying “This is what you’re seeing here…” and have gullible people buy into it.

Social media videos are the worst for twisting a narrative as they can be edited to show whatever the poster wants with zero accountability

[user104658]

Social media videos are the worst for twisting a narrative as they can be edited to show whatever the poster wants with zero accountability


Yep, and sometimes not even edited… all that’s often needed is cutting off ten seconds at the beginning that gave context, and adding in a new context below - “This happened after ______”. Then you see a longer video and the events leading up to the video are completely different to what was suggested.

[Nicky91]

yup something similar with concerts also happened in the 70's

notable one, The Who in London

[Alf]

Out of context and sometimes completely falsely though… you can’t trust a social media narrative any more than a mainstream press narrative. You have to piece together the truth from various sources and what seems realistic/logical.

Remember at the start of Covid when Social Media was full of videos of people “collapsing in the street” in Wuhan… which were found to be from years earlier and of random things like people having heart attacks.

Easy to show something out of context with a sentence saying “This is what you’re seeing here…” and have gullible people buy into it.I know, I ain't a moron. But the point I was making in that post to Arista was that social media is faster at getting the news out there than Reuters.

Also, your average person with a phone doesn't claim to be the truth that everybody should take notice of when infact they're manipulative and dishonest and only push an agenda because they're paid a lot of money to, like the people in the MSM do, and they don't cover things up, it's all out there.

At this point, it's controlled media vs the rest of us, they're no longer providing the service they're supposed to for us.

[bots]

I know, I ain't a moron. But the point I was making in that post to Arista was that social media is faster at getting the news out there than Reuters.

Also, your average person with a phone doesn't claim to be the truth that everybody should take notice of when infact they're manipulative and dishonest and only push an agenda because they're paid a lot of money to, like the people in the MSM do, and they don't cover things up, it's all out there.

At this point, it's controlled media vs the rest of us, they're no longer providing the service they're supposed to for us.

at least 90% of your issues with the media are with american media which has always been subject to lesser standards than here in the uk. I do agree that the msm shouldn't be followed like a sheep, they do come out with an amazing amount of ****e, but it's up to individuals to find sources that they trust and verify them against other trusted sources. The issue is actually the gullibility of readers more than anything else

[Alf]

at least 90% of your issues with the media are with american media which has always been subject to lesser standards than here in the uk. I do agree that the msm shouldn't be followed like a sheep, they do come out with an amazing amount of ****e, but it's up to individuals to find sources that they trust and verify them against other trusted sources. The issue is actually the gullibility of readers more than anything elseNah, my issues with the media is more in this country although it's a problem in America too although America does have alternative news networks unlike us.

But it's our media that covers up child grooming gangs whilst at the same time calling us all racists. It's our media that shows obsessively a few morans protesting the climate while it deliberately doesn't cover 10s and 100s of thousands of citizens protesting government Covid mandates. Our media is corrupt as can possibly be.

[user104658]

Also, your average person with a phone doesn't claim to be the truth that everybody should take notice of when infact they're manipulative and dishonest


I disagree with that actually, the vast majority of the time if someone is recording things and posting it on social media, they have an agenda. The agenda isn’t money but is usually their political or social leanings and wanting to “prove a point” that convinces people to see the world their way… just as toxic and dishonest as doing it for profit tbh.

[Alf]

I disagree with that actually, the vast majority of the time if someone is recording things and posting it on social media, they have an agenda. The agenda isn’t money but is usually their political or social leanings and wanting to “prove a point” that convinces people to see the world their way… just as toxic and dishonest as doing it for profit tbh.So what's new? You disagree with almost everything I have an opinion on.

[Alf]

I disagree with that actually, the vast majority of the time if someone is recording things and posting it on social media, they have an agenda. The agenda isn’t money but is usually their political or social leanings and wanting to “prove a point” that convinces people to see the world their way… just as toxic and dishonest as doing it for profit tbh.But it's our job to sieve through the bullish!t to get to the facts. We can only do that by talking about it and learning from each other. Between us all, we can quickly work out what is fake and what stands up. The problem seems to be people afraid to talk about certain things, basically self censoring themselves when infact they have the freedom to speak and the law is on their side on that.

[arista]

[Travis Scott says he'll pay funeral expenses
for victims killed in Astroworld stampede
and refunds cost of tickets]

Thats a better start.

[arista]

BBCNewsHD

Just reported one more young man died
in hospital.