Wales: Boy, 10, mauled to death by an American-Pitbull-style dog as he was playing

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/09/12/50253809-10181595-Jack_Lis-a-132_1636461596351.jpg

All TV news will not tell you what dog it was
why Hide it?

[The 10-year-old boy killed by
American Pitbull-style dog while playing
with a friend has been pictured
Jack Lis was attacked by the dog while
at friend's house in Caerphilly after
visiting him after school yesterday
Neighbours and paramedics tried to
save him but he died at the scene
and the dog was destroyed on site
In an emotional tribute on Facebook today,
his mother Emma Whitfield called
Jack her 'sweet, sweet boy'
Forensic crime scene investigators
are at the scene and police are
conducting door-to-door inquiries]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10181595/Named-Boy-10-killed-American-Pitbull-style-dog.html

[Niamh.]

Poor kid :( Those dogs are lethal when they're in the wrong hands

[arista]

Poor kid :( Those dogs are lethal when they're in the wrong hands



This is What is wrong
the killer dog Locks on some kids neck,
he or she will be dead.


The Person that owned that Dog
is Guilty of this.


Even though he left the Killer Dog with a Mate.


Good the Police Shot the Killer Dog Dead

[Kazanne]

Poor child, and poor dog really as it should never have been in that home maybe it was spooked who knows just an awful shame for his family, RIP little man.

[arista]

Poor child, and poor dog really as it should never have been in that home maybe it was spooked who knows just an awful shame for his family, RIP little man.


No
that Owner of that dog
is Guilty of leaving it with a mate.

[Cherie]

Can’t imagine the trauma for both families

[Kazanne]

No
that Owner of that dog
is Guilty of leaving it with a mate.

Still a poor dog arista its been shot because of someones stupidness and a small child is dead,if people used their heads they wouldn't be getting these dogs.sad story all round.

[arista]

Still a poor dog arista its been shot because of someones stupidness and a small child is dead,if people used their heads they wouldn't be getting these dogs.sad story all round.


Its a Killer Dog.


Not a poor dog.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its a Killer Dog.


Not a poor dog.

Id bet a pound to a penny it was not trained and did not receive anywhere near enough exercise

lets have a look at the owner

[arista]

Id bet a pound to a penny it was not trained and did not receive anywhere near enough exercise

lets have a look at the owner


The Owner Is Guilty.

[AnnieK]

The dog had bitten someone previously. Should have been muzzled and never around children.

Poor families - something they will never get over. :sad:

[Glenn.]

Its a Killer Dog.


Not a poor dog.

It’s a dog. One that received zero training by the dogs owners.

[Kazanne]

Its a Killer Dog.


Not a poor dog.

It was a poor dog arista, one that was probably used and as others have said never trained and probably never really loved ,but we don't know he full circumstances do we and what led up to it ,so imo, its a poor dog , it should never have happened and if as Annie said it had bitten before it should never have been in that enviroment, as I said sad all round.

[arista]

Well done Ch5HDnews
the first to call the Dog a Pit Ball Type Dog

[arista]

It was a poor dog arista, one that was probably used and as others have said never trained and probably never really loved ,but we don't know he full circumstances do we and what led up to it ,so imo, its a poor dog , it should never have happened and if as Annie said it had bitten before it should never have been in that enviroment, as I said sad all round.


OK
but the Owner is Guilty.
100%

[Glenn.]

OK
but the Owner is Guilty.
100%

No one is disputing it’s the owner that’s guilty

[Beso]

Just to hard to think about for me.

[Elliot]

Why would you get a dog like that and then not take the precautions to prevent something liek this? The owners are irresponsible ****ers. Should serve jail time tbh. They put their kids and a poor animal at risk

[LaLaLand]

I have what I suppose could be deemed as one of this type of dog, she’s a big Bulldog x another type of Bulldog with Staffy and Boxer somewhere in her down the line and all sorts we suspect. A very imposing, strong, muscular, athletic, large dog.

She’s the sweetest and most gentle, loving dog we’ve ever had. She’s 11 next week and has never once growled or shown aggressive behaviour or tendencies, not to humans, other dogs, cats or other. Fantastic with kids especially, she adores my little niece and her friends when they come to play too.

Maybe we’re just lucky but I hate seeing dogs LIKE HER getting a bad rep because of irresponsible owners.

That poor child. RIP. Absolutely heartbreaking.

[Beso]

This is why we are not allowed tigers or lions.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have what I suppose could be deemed as one of this type of dog, she’s a big Bulldog x another type of Bulldog with Staffy and Boxer somewhere in her down the line and all sorts we suspect. A very imposing, strong, muscular, athletic, large dog.

She’s the sweetest and most gentle, loving dog we’ve ever had. She’s 11 next week and has never once growled or shown aggressive behaviour or tendencies, not to humans, other dogs, cats or other. Fantastic with kids especially, she adores my little niece and her friends when they come to play too.

Maybe we’re just lucky but I hate seeing dogs LIKE HER getting a bad rep because of irresponsible owners.

That poor child. RIP. Absolutely heartbreaking.

Its like saying a race of people are dangerous or pro boxers or black belts are dangerous. Mistreat a child, show it no love and it could grow up to be a serial killer or a rapist - some dont some do.

Its not the dog its how its treated

However, because large and powerful dogs are attractive to poorly educated, poorly brought up feral humans (not you) they should be prevented from owning such dogs (or indeed any dog). Owning a dog or any animal should be much harder to do than it is currently.

[LaLaLand]

Its like saying a race of people are dangerous or pro boxers or black belts are dangerous. Mistreat a child, show it no love and it could grow up to be a serial killer or a rapist - some dont some do.

Its not the dog its how its treated

However, because large and powerful dogs are attractive to poorly educated, poorly brought up feral humans (not you) they should be prevented from owning such dogs (or indeed any dog). Owning a dog or any animal should be much harder to do than it is currently.

Completely agree with you.

I really wish they’d bring in a licensing system for owning dogs. How feasible that’d be I don’t know but at least then you’d have to register what animals are at your address and their breeds etc. Might help curb the problem just a little bit.

Also completely 100% ban the sale of dogs of any age online.

[Beso]

Its like saying a race of people are dangerous or pro boxers or black belts are dangerous. Mistreat a child, show it no love and it could grow up to be a serial killer or a rapist - some dont some do.

Its not the dog its how its treated

However, because large and powerful dogs are attractive to poorly educated, poorly brought up feral humans (not you) they should be prevented from owning such dogs (or indeed any dog). Owning a dog or any animal should be much harder to do than it is currently.


Bang on LT.

[GoldHeart]

The dog had bitten someone previously. Should have been muzzled and never around children.

Poor families - something they will never get over. :sad:

Horrible situation , and I agree.

A dog like that should not be around children or even other people in general if it's that violent.

It's cost them big time .

[Mystic Mock]

Poor kid :( Those dogs are lethal when they're in the wrong hands

Well aren't Pitbull Dogs illegal to own in the UK?:conf:

Obviously a horrible tragedy.

[arista]

Well aren't Pitbull Dogs illegal to own in the UK?:conf:

Obviously a horrible tragedy.


American Pitbull is.


But this was a
near bread.

Still with that Deadly Power Lock
on their mouth

[LaLaLand]

American Pitbull is.


But this was a
near bread.

Still with that Deadly Power Lock
on their mouth

Myth.

The American Pitbull Terrier was shown to have the lowest bite force when contended against the German Shepherd and Rottweiler. However, the dogs had an average bite force of 320 pounds of pressure. Pitbulls, like all large dogs, are strong, and equipped to cause damage – just not to the point of being particularly dangerous compared to dogs of the same size.

The idea that a pitbull’s jaw locks, however, is completely false. No breed of dog has any special jaw mechanism that makes it impossible for them to let go.

[arista]

On this 10 year old lad
that dog Locked onto him.

They Neighbour who went to help was injured.

[Kazanne]

I was told if a dog attacks to hold its back legs up as they can't, attack like that, don't know if it's true but, always worth a try.

[arista]

Woman in Charge of that Killer Dog

[The 28-year-old, from Caerphilly,
was questioned on suspicion of being
in charge of a dog dangerously out
of control causing injury resulting in death,
before being released on bail.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59237518

[arista]

In Todays Mirror
it has a photo of this now dead Killer Dog.

The woman owner bought it on Facebook.

[Toy Soldier]

The myth that it's all down to training and that temperament is not linked to breed needs to be put to bed to be honest... aspects of temperament absolutely ARE linked to breed. Having only had various terriers growing up and having a floppy Labrador now has really illustrated that for me.

Of course any breed can be dangerous if they've been badly mistreated and any breed can be safe if they've been very very well handled but most dog owners fall in the middle - not abusive to their animals but not professional dog handlers - and with that in mind I think there should be stricter rules on breeds that are appropriate to keep as pets. In all honesty, I can see no really compelling argument for not breeding out dog breeds who aren't particularly suitable domestic pets and have no other utility. It's not "cruel" to simply stop breeding them. I'm not saying anything has to happen to the ones that already exist. But dogs only live 15 years or so, it wouldn't take long at all to make a breed functionally extinct.

[bots]

i agree, statistically, it's a very defined group of breeds that cause issues. We have all known it for decades, and yet nothing is ever really done about it. That has to change. I'm not suggesting we put down all dangerous breeds now, but a dogs lifespan is short enough for the problem to be addressed in a decade or so without forcing owners to put their pets down

[Livia]

We need radical changes in the way we buy and own dogs. I think, if you are not a registered, regularly checked breeder then you should be able to charge no more than £50 for a puppy. And if you do own a dog, you have to have a licence. It should not be possible for a dog like that to have been homed in a place like that.

[Niamh.]

i agree, statistically, it's a very defined group of breeds that cause issues. We have all known it for decades, and yet nothing is ever really done about it. That has to change. I'm not suggesting we put down all dangerous breeds now, but a dogs lifespan is short enough for the problem to be addressed in a decade or so without forcing owners to put their pets down

I don't think they're the most likely to attack though but they're certainly the most likely to do serious damage or cause death because of their size and strength. Chihuahuas are notoriously aggressive dogs but they're really unlikely to cause much damage or become uncontrollable, actually just did a google to check and yep as i thought the little ****ers are top of the aggressive list (I reckon I could take 4 of them...........I'll let you guess which :p )


1. Chihuahua
2. Dachshund
3 .Chow Chow
4. Doberman Pinscher
5. Dalmatian
6. Rottweiler
7. Jack Russell Terrier
8. German Shepherd
9. American Staffordshire/Pit Bull Terrier
10. Siberian Husky

https://pethelpful.com/dogs/10-Most-Aggressive-Dog-Breeds-Temperament-Ratings-and-Information

[arista]

It was right to arrest the Women Owner
of this killer dog, a Pit Bull bread

She left the dog with a bloke that can not
handle it.

[Cherie]

Jack and his friend were alone when the attack happened.

sorry but what kind of person allows two 10 year olds to be on their own, you invite someone round to your house to play, you should be there surely, sounds like she neglected more than the dog

[Livia]

Jack and his friend were alone when the attack happened.

sorry but what kind of person allows two 10 year olds to be on their own, you invite someone round to your house to play, you should be there surely, sounds like she neglected more than the dog

Exactly.

Oh, and thanks Cherie, for the advent calendar reminder.

[Cherie]

Exactly.

Oh, and thanks Cherie, for the advent calendar reminder.

You are very welcome x

[arista]

Jack and his friend were alone when the attack happened.

sorry but what kind of person allows two 10 year olds to be on their own, you invite someone round to your house to play, you should be there surely, sounds like she neglected more than the dog

Yes that women in charge of the Killer Dog
is Guilty.