Rotherham (Child sexual exploitation)

[Alf]

Here's former CBB housemate Maggie Oliver to tell more

Is Rotherham British enough for you?



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[Alf]

Discuss.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh I honestly don't get why Paedophilia is treated so lightly by this country's justice system either.

It's crazy that you can do more time for being a Drug Dealer than you would for sexually attacking children, that is beyond twisted imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fear of being branded a racist is more important than exposing paedos

Welcome to woke Britain

[Beso]

Tbh I honestly don't get why Paedophilia is treated so lightly by this country's justice system either.

It's crazy that you can do more time for being a Drug Dealer than you would for sexually attacking children, that is beyond twisted imo.

I think that's down to the law makers being able to think like a paedo does when they are making the sentencing rules.

[Mystic Mock]

I think that's down to the law makers being able to think like a paedo does when they are making the sentencing rules.

Fair point I suppose.

[Alf]

Not much activity in here, I told you UK news stories were boring.

Do I have your permission to talk about the Americans now, Bitontheside? I did try your suggestion.

[Nicky91]

Maggie :love:

[Alf]

Silence is violence


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[Alf]

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[Toy Soldier]

Do you have any sources other than GB News Alf, I'm not lowering myself to watching that drivel.

[Alf]

Do you have any sources other than GB News Alf, I'm not lowering myself to watching that drivel.There should be more sources, you're right, but It looks like only GB news from the TV networks are covering it at the moment.

Just type "Rotherham" into to the twitter search and have a scroll down, that's all I do. I'll scroll a bit further to see if I can find you something if you can't be bothered, I'm always here to help.

[Alf]

I found this from Parliament but I don't know what is said because it keep buffering for me.

Posted by the independent journalist Active Patriot, who is just a pot head from Grimsby and by far a better investigative journalist than most in the mainstream media.

Is that any better for you Mr Soldier?


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[Alf]

Another one from Parliament with an MP calling for a similar inquiry in Bradford.


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[Alf]

Here's a tweet from an MP a week ago



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[Livia]

Fear of being branded a racist is more important than exposing paedos

Welcome to woke Britain

A controversial comment made all the sadder because it's true.

[Niamh.]

Race should never be a factor in coming down hard on any person or people who abuse children. Who would even dare use racism to defend a paedophile?

[Livia]

Why was it ignored for SO LONG?

Because the council and the police were frightened of coming down hard on the Asian community and that decision and I think that decision worked really well in exacerbating the differences between one community and another. They're never worried about coming down hard in the white working class.

[Toy Soldier]

Why was it ignored for SO LONG?

Because the council and the police were frightened of coming down hard on the Asian community and that decision and I think that decision worked really well in exacerbating the differences between one community and another. They're never worried about coming down hard in the white working class.

The problem is it can quite quickly become a self-sustaining problem when something is swept under the rug - as the issue immediately becomes people "not wanting people to find out that it was swept under the rug". And then the longer it goes on, the worse that becomes for the sweepers, and the more their motivation to continue to hide it intensifies.

[Mystic Mock]

Race should never be a factor in coming down hard on any person or people who abuse children. Who would even dare use racism to defend a paedophile?

This.

[Alf]

Race should never be a factor in coming down hard on any person or people who abuse children. Who would even dare use racism to defend a paedophile?Fear! The smear job on people like Tommy Robinson instills that fear into people. That's what our modern controlled media uses, fear tactics.

[Kate!]

I'm surprised to see this thread title hasn't been edited. It sounds like BOTS approves of such a thing which I'm certain wasn't intentional.

[LukeB]

I'm surprised to see this thread title hasn't been edited. It sounds like BOTS approves of such a thing which I'm certain wasn't intentional.

This.

[Alf]

I'm surprised to see this thread title hasn't been edited. It sounds like BOTS approves of such a thing which I'm certain wasn't intentional.I'll edit it. Bots was being a Karen with my posts, so it was meant for a post he made about making only American news posts.

[arista]

Yes all done by the Labour Party
getting the Local Council to keep it silent.
It stinks

[Toy Soldier]

There is a genuine fear of being perceived as racist in official offices (including the police, councils etc.) and it is leading to huge problems. Of course, this stems from the fact that there have been abundant clear examples of actual racism and discrimination in the past in pretty much all of these places, which makes it a rather complicated tightrope to walk. Generally it’s not that they don’t want to act - and most would be happy to act once someone gets the ball rolling - but no one wants to be that person.

[Alf]

There is a genuine fear of being perceived as racist in official offices (including the police, councils etc.) and it is leading to huge problems. Of course, this stems from the fact that there have been abundant clear examples of actual racism and discrimination in the past in pretty much all of these places, which makes it a rather complicated tightrope to walk. Generally it’s not that they don’t want to act - and most would be happy to act once someone gets the ball rolling - but no one wants to be that person.Sorry, but if you know and don't speak up about rape of young girls, or anybody for that matter, then you have no excuse. The tax payers pay the authorities to do their jobs, not turn a blind eye for personal reasons.

[Toy Soldier]

Sorry, but if you know and don't speak up about rape of young girls, or anybody for that matter, then you have no excuse. The tax payers pay the authorities to do their jobs, not turn a blind eye for personal reasons.

I agree personally but it's classic "bystander apathy" - everyone expects someone else to do something and then it gets out of hand and they start acting to protect their own life/career/reputation. But yes I agree that when people get into jobs like law enforcement they should do it knowing that it's not going to be easy and with a commitment to doing the right thing. Unfortunately though that's not always the case.

[Alf]

Latest update.

Just to let you know that in the last few years a man was sent to prison for putting a rasher of bacon on a building (he died in prison) and a man was put in prison for having a slash next to a war memorial. That's some of the justice that has been handed out in our country lately.

As the Stereo MCs once said "Something ain't right"



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[arista]

Yes Alf
It has Stink


Corruption,
and Children raped

[Oliver_W]

a man was sent to prison for putting a rasher of bacon on a building

The hell?

[Alf]

The hell?The building was a mosque.

Kevin Crehan was his name. He got sent down for 12 months and died in prison. Not sure if he was murdered or just died naturally, but he died.

Blasphemy laws are alive and well in your country.

[Oliver_W]

The building was a mosque.

Kevin Crehan was his name. He got sent down for 12 months and died in prison. Not sure if he was murdered or just died naturally, but he died.

That shouldn't even be a Misdemeanor, let alone a custodial...

[Beso]

The hell?

And that's why nobody said anything, to easy to be labelled racist.

[Crimson Dynamo]

blimey the silence on this thread is both expected and astonishing

no wonder the socialst left is schtum

:bored:

[Niamh.]

That shouldn't even be a Misdemeanor, let alone a custodial...I googled the story, he was jailed for tying bacon to the door handles and shouting racist abuse at the elderly church goers, he was a convicted football hooligan which is presumably why he got a custodial sentence. He died of a drug over dose and it was not treated as a suspicious death

[Oliver_W]

I googled the story, he was jailed for tying bacon to the door handles and shouting racist abuse at the elderly church goers, he was a convicted football hooligan which is presumably why he got a custodial sentence. He died of a drug over dose and it was not treated as a suspicious death

Hm, i still don't think putting meat on a door and shouting at people should result in a year inside...

[Niamh.]

Hm, i still don't think putting meat on a door and shouting at people should result in a year inside...It's harassment and intimidation, he obviously has form for doing it to get that kind of a sentence

[Kizzy]

blimey the silence on this thread is both expected and astonishing

no wonder the socialst left is schtum

:bored:

There's no silence. As far as I can see, personally Ive said plenty on this topic on various threads in the past.
The excuse given for not revealing the extent of the proper as I remember was 'community cohesion', Which I found disgusting.
It allowed the rot to spread and let down the most vulnerable in society, I have spoke before on how children in care and those living in poverty are preyed on by many to exploit and authorities essentially turn a blind eye.
I'm not sure how that relates to the socialist left.

[bots]

the reason i didnt respond on here was because alf tried a disingenuous promotion of english nationalism.

[Kizzy]

It's harassment and intimidation, he obviously has form for doing it to get that kind of a sentence

Yep it's probably a hate crime too which might have its own sentencing structure.

[The Slim Reaper]

the reason i didnt respond on here was because alf tried a disingenuous promotion of english nationalism.

It's not just Alf, but I completely agree.

[Cherie]

The building was a mosque.

Kevin Crehan was his name. He got sent down for 12 months and died in prison. Not sure if he was murdered or just died naturally, but he died.

Blasphemy laws are alive and well in your country.

I had a look at this one, he was jailed as it was the last of a long line of convictions mostly for football violence, he was let down badly by the prison system though, he overdosed in prison


The judge said he was jailing Crehan because the offence was the latest in a long list of previous convictions, mainly for football-related violence.

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[Cherie]

I googled the story, he was jailed for tying bacon to the door handles and shouting racist abuse at the elderly church goers, he was a convicted football hooligan which is presumably why he got a custodial sentence. He died of a drug over dose and it was not treated as a suspicious death

oh same Niamh, sorry I didnt get to this before I looked him up

[Alf]

the reason i didnt respond on here was because alf tried a disingenuous promotion of english nationalism.Sorry, what? Explain yourself?

And while you're at it what is wrong with the nationality of English that it's seen as a negative thing?

[Alf]

It's not just Alf, but I completely agree.If you agree then explain it to me because you're better at explaining things than the original anti English commentator.

[Kizzy]

If you agree then explain it to me because you're better at explaining things than the original anti English commentator.

Anti English. ..ah the battle cry of any challenged bigot

[Toy Soldier]

Socialism is a political system based around the fair distribution of wealth and the means of production, it has nothing to do with sexual abuse, which I actually credit you with knowing already. If you want to strip it down in vulgar language you seem to understand, the exploitation of labour for sex trafficking is inherently capitalistic at it's core.

I mean, I know this crap plays well on here on here these days, but this really is crass and disgusting to use sexual abuse to bait. Really weird but completely on brand for the poster and the forum.

I think he means the cultural left rather than the economic left so really he means "the liberal left" rather than socialist left... obviously socialism has nothing at all to do with this.

It's difficult to argue that liberalism doesn't come into the equation though. Objectively speaking there IS a sub-cultural element to these grooming gangs (namely, underlying attitudes and ideas about white girls and women that can be prominent in young Asian men) but there's a push to deny or not acknowledge that aspect for fear of being seen as racist, or similarly to the Trans debate, out of fear that acknowledging things that are exploited by actual bigots and racists is "adding fuel to the fire" or somehow aligning with those more extreme views.

if there had been less hesitancy to say "Yes, there are worrying views and attitudes propagating in these communities that need to be addressed" then these gangs might well have been identified and dismantled far earlier.

[Alf]

Anti English. ..ah the battle cry of any challenged bigotBigot, ah the battle cry of the Owen Jones society.

[Cherie]

I do find it very sad that English people cannot embrace their flag like literally every other nation can do..

I can't imagine being called a bigot for hanging an Irish flag out my window :laugh:

[Alf]

I do find it very sad that English people cannot embrace their flag like literally every other nation can do..

I can't imagine being called a bigot for hanging an Irish flag out my window :laugh:The same people are the ones proudly currently sporting a Ukraine flag whenever they get chance.

They're just hypocritical bullies with a touch of xenaphobia.

[Kizzy]

I think he means the cultural left rather than the economic left so really he means "the liberal left" rather than socialist left... obviously socialism has nothing at all to do with this.

It's difficult to argue that liberalism doesn't come into the equation though. Objectively speaking there IS a sub-cultural element to these grooming gangs (namely, underlying attitudes and ideas about white girls and women that can be prominent in young Asian men) but there's a push to deny or not acknowledge that aspect for fear of being seen as racist, or similarly to the Trans debate, out of fear that acknowledging things that are exploited by actual bigots and racists is "adding fuel to the fire" or somehow aligning with those more extreme views.

if there had been less hesitancy to say "Yes, there are worrying views and attitudes propagating in these communities that need to be addressed" then these gangs might well have been identified and dismantled far earlier.

It appears to me that the vulnerable have always been a target and if you highlight one group then that encourages victims from other groups to come forward.

Look how victims of abuse by political figures, celebrities or the church gave been treated. What makes anyone think that the victims of organised gangs of any ethnicity would get treated fairly?

[Kizzy]

Bigot, ah the battle cry of the Owen Jones society.

So the word bigot did not have a meaning prior to Owen becoming a columnist?

Whereas an accusation of being anti-English is really a generalised slur aimed at anyone who offers objectivity to a debate clearly.

Can I ask you what exactly it was that caused you to use that term? What is the definition of ' 'anti English'?

Personally with me wanting nationalisation of infrastructure and decent well paid jobs that would make me very pro English. But apparently not a's I get that term levelled at me too :/

[Alf]

I had a look at this one, he was jailed as it was the last of a long line of convictions mostly for football violence, he was let down badly by the prison system though, he overdosed in prison


The judge said he was jailing Crehan because the offence was the latest in a long list of previous convictions, mainly for football-related violence.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=kevin+crehan&cvid=f7dd86a6f60e4ba3b65461eeffc31efc&aqs=edge.0.0l5.2257j0j1&pglt=297&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=LCTSI know.

I said he was convicted for putting bacon on building and died in prison which is all true. I even gave you his name so you can go look it up yourself, which you did.

The point I was trying to make was that some people are dealt with by the law and some get let off.

[Alf]

So the word bigot did not have a meaning prior to Owen becoming a columnist?

Whereas an accusation of being anti-English is really a generalised slur aimed at anyone who offers objectivity to a debate clearly.

Can I ask you what exactly it was that caused you to use that term? What is the definition of ' 'anti English'?

Personally with me wanting nationalisation of infrastructure and decent well paid jobs that would make me very pro English. But apparently not a's I get that term levelled at me too :/You certainly can ask me.

I called BOTS "anti English" because his post in here came across to me that being proud and supportive of England should be classed as a negative thing and something to be ashamed of.

[Kizzy]

I know.

I said he was convicted for putting bacon on building and died in prison which is all true. I even gave you his name so you can go look it up yourself, which you did.

The point I was trying to make was that some people are dealt with by the law and some get let off.

If this was a first or even second offence he might have got off too. . There comes a point where if people keep coming in front of judges for various things eventually a custodial sentence is the only deterrent left.

[The Slim Reaper]

I think he means the cultural left rather than the economic left so really he means "the liberal left" rather than socialist left... obviously socialism has nothing at all to do with this.

It's difficult to argue that liberalism doesn't come into the equation though. Objectively speaking there IS a sub-cultural element to these grooming gangs (namely, underlying attitudes and ideas about white girls and women that can be prominent in young Asian men) but there's a push to deny or not acknowledge that aspect for fear of being seen as racist, or similarly to the Trans debate, out of fear that acknowledging things that are exploited by actual bigots and racists is "adding fuel to the fire" or somehow aligning with those more extreme views.

if there had been less hesitancy to say "Yes, there are worrying views and attitudes propagating in these communities that need to be addressed" then these gangs might well have been identified and dismantled far earlier.

Pretty sure he didn't mean anything other than using his crassness to try and bait.

However, liberalism is of more of the centre, not really the left, and even more importantly, whether you are of the left, centre, right, or any of the extremes, it should be universally accepted that none of those political leanings are exempt from sex traffickers, rapists, or paedophiles, so even pretending that it does is pretty cynically bad faith.

That said, I actually agree that maybe some fears exist, and an unintended consequence of that fear has been to provide cover for those committing heinous acts, just like fear of the powerful has protected wealthy or connected paedophiles. No one has said any differently. White Catholic priests were moved from place to place to give them continued access without accountability, so these structures/communities have always protected the abusers, so I also find it disingenuous when the same kind of folks that mocked and dismissed anything to do with metoo, suddenly find a group of abusers they are against (for some reason).

[Kizzy]

You certainly can ask me.

I called BOTS "anti English" because his post in here came across to me that being proud and supportive of England should be classed as a negative thing and something to be ashamed of.
How does that make him anti English then?...

All that says to me is that his opinion of Englishness is different to yours. That's not wrong he may feel your take on Englishness is anti English.

We all have a different perspective of what it means to be English.

Do you feel throwing bacon at a mosque is a good way to show how proud and supportive you are of England?

[Alf]

How does that make him anti English then?...

All that says to me is that his opinion of Englishness is different to yours. That's not wrong he may feel your take on Englishness is anti English.

We all have a different perspective of what it means to be English.

Do you feel throwing bacon at a mosque is a good way to show how proud and supportive you are of England?No, I wouldn't put bacon on any building.i'd put it in the frying pan and then eat it in a butty.

I used the bacon guy as an example of how easy the average citizen is to be locked up whilst people who turn a blind eye and cover up child rape go free. That's the only reason I brought the bacon guy up, it was as an example to make a point.

[The Slim Reaper]

A flag is a flag. I don't really see anyone on the right, especially the further you go, cowering away from either displaying it or fawning all over it, so not even sure what the suggestion means.

It's just pretty immature and cringey to attach identity to a piece of cloth based on an accident of birth, which remarkably, when replaced with a hijab (which unlike a flag, people wear for a reason - however much I personally may disagree with their reasoning), suddenly people understand.

[Kizzy]

No, I wouldn't put bacon on any building.i'd put it in the frying pan and then eat it in a butty.

I used the bacon guy as an example of how easy the average citizen is to be locked up whilst people who turn a blind eye and cover up child rape go free. That's the only reason I brought the bacon guy up, it was as an example to make a point.

I doubt anyone would agree that not addressing a cover up especially one involving child abuse was right. And as far as I can see nobody does think that was right.
However disagreeing that someone with many assault charges shouldn't be dealt with still is not anti English.

[Alf]

I doubt anyone would agree that not addressing a cover up especially one involving child abuse was right. And as far as I can see nobody does think that was right.
However disagreeing that someone with many assault charges shouldn't be dealt with still is not anti English.So you wanted a better example?

I did also add the guy who was sent down for taking a pee next to (not on) a war memorial. I thought that was usually a £80 on the spot fine?

[Kizzy]

A flag is a flag. I don't really see anyone on the right, especially the further you go, cowering away from either displaying it or fawning all over it, so not even sure what the suggestion means.

It's just pretty immature and cringey to attach identity to a piece of cloth based on an accident of birth, which remarkably, when replaced with a hijab (which unlike a flag, people wear for a reason - however much I personally may disagree with their reasoning), suddenly people understand.

In my opinion the St George flag has become a symbol of something darker than national pride, it has been hijacked by those who treat it like the confederate flag. As a symbol of superiority, and due to this that's why I feel many can't associate with it.
However the love for England, the English and Englishness as a whole is just as strong.

[Kizzy]

So you wanted a better example?

I did also add the guy who was sent down for taking a pee next to (not on) a war memorial. I thought that was usually a £80 on the spot fine?

That was if I remember right to turn the public against a protest against war. That said it has always been seen as a massive insult nationally to deface war memorials?
Dropping a cig butt will get you £100 fine. Insulting past service personnel? That I would have thought would be more serious.

[Alf]

In my opinion the St George flag has become a symbol of something darker than national pride, it has been hijacked by those who treat it like the confederate flag. As a symbol of superiority, and due to this that's why I feel many can't associate with it.
However the love for England, the English and Englishness as a whole is just as strong."A symbol of something darker"

That's what they think of the English flag, Cherie.

It's just your paranoia Kizzy.

[The Slim Reaper]

In my opinion the St George flag has become a symbol of something darker than national pride, it has been hijacked by those who treat it like the confederate flag. As a symbol of superiority, and due to this that's why I feel many can't associate with it.
However the love for England, the English and Englishness as a whole is just as strong.

I completely agree with you, but something I don't understand, is that when the right loves the flags and holds all the power in this country, why people think it has to be hidden.

[Toy Soldier]

That was if I remember right to turn the public against a protest against war. That said it has always been seen as a massive insult nationally to deface war memorials?
Dropping a cig butt will get you £100 fine. Insulting past service personnel? That I would have thought would be more serious.

I don't know really, I don't think that should be a particularly criminal matter, yeah it's a foul thing to do but I don't think it crosses that boundary into being "actually serious". Defacing meaningfully (i.e. causing permanent damage or damage that will be hard to repair, breaking, toppling, spraypainting etc.) yes definitely but I don't think something that can be sorted with a bucket of soapy water should incur more than a fine.

[Beso]

What sentence did the statue defacers of BLM get?

[bots]

this is why i find this thread so disingenuous. Alf openly supports radical groups that have weaponised the english flag for their own racial agenda, and then creates a thread such as this and pleads ignorance

[Alf]

this is why i find this thread so disingenuous. Alf openly supports radical groups that have weaponised the english flag for their own racial agenda, and then creates a thread such as this and pleads ignoranceAlf supports Alf and nobody else. Stop making bullish!t up about me or I'll sue you.

[Kizzy]

"A symbol of something darker"

That's what they think of the English flag, Cherie.

It's just your paranoia Kizzy.

No I think you are ... You are putting too much emphasis on the flag... it's not England, it's not the people or the places it doesn't even stand for anything.

This I why I feel more strongly about the memoral. It actually has some history and meaning. I can connect to it more than a flag.

[Cherie]

You certainly can ask me.

I called BOTS "anti English" because his post in here came across to me that being proud and supportive of England should be classed as a negative thing and something to be ashamed of.
'
BOTs is Scottish though I woudlnt expect him to wrap himself in St George

I agree with you about the flag, if you can wave round yellow and blue like they did at the Concert for Ukraine there is no reason not to be able to wave around your own flag without being called a bigot

[Alf]

No I think you are ... You are putting too much emphasis on the flag... it's not England, it's not the people or the places it doesn't even stand for anything.

This I why I feel more strongly about the memoral. It actually has some history and meaning. I can connect to it more than a flag.I never once brought a flag up in this thread until someone else did. This thread has nothing to do with a flag.

[Kizzy]

I don't know really, I don't think that should be a particularly criminal matter, yeah it's a foul thing to do but I don't think it crosses that boundary into being "actually serious". Defacing meaningfully (i.e. causing permanent damage or damage that will be hard to repair, breaking, toppling, spraypainting etc.) yes definitely but I don't think something that can be sorted with a bucket of soapy water should incur more than a fine.

To me they are a symbol of national pride, to me it's worse than pissing on the flag.

[Oliver_W]

Do you feel throwing bacon at a mosque is a good way to show how proud and supportive you are of England?

It's just littering. He shouldn't have ended up in front of a judge at all.

(Maybe just a mandatory fine and some litter picking or something)

[Toy Soldier]

To me they are a symbol of national pride, to me it's worse than pissing on the flag.I mean I wouldn't put anyone in jail for pissing on a flag either...

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

I don't agree with the hormone blockers. Why does the consent issue only affect actually having sex and not what sex you choose to be?

[Toy Soldier]

I don't agree with the hormone blockers. Why does the consent issue only affect actually having sex and not what sex you choose to be?I agree, the idea that children under 16 at the very least can be giving true informed consent for hormone treatments is just bizarre. If anyone can show me a 13 year old who can thoroughly and accurately discuss the ideology of gender, I'd be very, very surprised. All they'll be able to do is parrot things they've heard from older people, or from peers who heard it from older people. Fine when we're talking about a bit of experimenting with dressing and haircuts - Really extremely worrying when we're talking about things that will physically affect them for the rest of their lives.