Disney Parks to introduce black Santa this Christmas

[Glenn.]

Reportedly, the actors who will portray Santa Claus during this year’s holiday season at Walt Disney World will be culturally diverse for the first time.

So far, Santa Claus has only been played by white or white-passing men at Walt Disney World. Including a Santa of a different race would be the latest move by Disney to promote diversity and inclusivity.

Santa has already appeared at Magic Kingdom, played by a white man during the first two Disney Very Merriest After Hours events. He has his own Liberty Square “sighting” location and appears in Mickey’s Once Upon a Christmastime Parade. Santa will be appearing in more Walt Disney World locations starting this weekend, as well as at Disneyland Resort.

https://www.wdwmagic.com/events/holidays-at-the-magic-kingdom/news/10nov2021-disney-plans-to-include-a-black-santa-claus-at-walt-disney-world-this-year-as-the-company-continues-its-diversity-and-inclusion-program.htm

[Toy Soldier]

Tbh it would make sense in Santa-lore even. He isn’t human, he’s an immortal spirit appearing in the form of human, so it would make sense that he looks different at different times, or perhaps that he transcends time and space, so it’s not that he gets around the whole world in one night, but rather he visits every house all at once in millions of physical forms. :omgno:

[Alf]

I'm surprised he isn't trans by now.

[arista]

I'm surprised he isn't trans by now.

Yes

[Oliver_W]

Stuff like that draws attention to the fact it isn't the "real Santa" sitting there.

[Toy Soldier]

Stuff like that draws attention to the fact it isn't the "real Santa" sitting there.


Not if you teach them proper lore as I’ve suggested.

[Liam-]

Tbh it would make sense in Santa-lore even. He isn’t human, he’s an immortal spirit appearing in the form of human, so it would make sense that he looks different at different times, or perhaps that he transcends time and space, so it’s not that he gets around the whole world in one night, but rather he visits every house all at once in millions of physical forms. :omgno:

I’m totally up for Santa actually being Dr. Who

[Livia]

Looking forward to Disney introducing some black folk lore heroes and having white actors play them.

We've had a black actress play Anne Boleyn. Really looking forward to Dame Judy Dench portraying Rosa Parks with great success.

[bots]

the next thing will be rather than saying ho ho ho, it will be some diversity positive motto

[Oliver_W]

Not if you teach them proper lore as I’ve suggested.

The proper lore? Y'mean Viking children stuffing hay into boots, so Odin could feed it to his many-legged horse in exchange for presents?

[Livia]

Not if you teach them proper lore as I’ve suggested.

So long as we don't mention Zwarte Piet. That's insulting apparently. but giving a Scandinavian a black face is okay. The most annoying this about this kind of crap is, I doubt it was a black person who came up with the idea. Disney, founded by a MASSIVE anti-Semite, but never even been considered for cancellation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

damn it I was hoping he would be a woman


:mad:

[Livia]

damn it I was hoping he would be a woman


:mad:

While I LOLed at this, I'm sure they're not ruling it out for Christmas 2022.

[Toy Soldier]

The proper lore? Y'mean Viking children stuffing hay into boots, so Odin could feed it to his many-legged horse in exchange for presents?

The proper lore is of course my lore.

[Niamh.]

My kids never thought the Santa's you go to see at Christmas were the "real" Santa anyway, just his helpers so I can't see any issue with this, I'm sure there have been other black Santa's at shopping Centres before?

[Toy Soldier]

My kids never thought the Santa's you go to see at Christmas were the "real" Santa anyway, just his helpers so I can't see any issue with this, I'm sure they're have been other black Santa's at shopping Centres before?

We did once go to a Santa where you go on a trailer ride out into the woods to a little cabin that's full of presents, and the guy has a real big bushy white beard and "authentic looking" costume etc... also it was about a 2 hour drive so we said we had driven to the North Pole :laugh:. Also it was serendipitously snowing. That's the only time they were quite successfully fooled. The next year my eldest was like "Remember last year when we went to the real one?" :hehe:. She was only maybe 5 at the time. Little one would only have been 2 or 3 so really just enjoyed the trailer ride.

TBH she always realised that "Shopping Centre Santas" were completely unaffiliated with actual Santa and were just there to get toys from :joker:

[Niamh.]

We did once go to a Santa where you go on a trailer ride out into the woods to a little cabin that's full of presents, and the guy has a real big bushy white beard and "authentic looking" costume etc... also it was about a 2 hour drive so we said we had driven to the North Pole :laugh:. Also it was serendipitously snowing. That's the only time they were quite successfully fooled. The next year my eldest was like "Remember last year when we went to the real one?" :hehe:. She was only maybe 5 at the time. Little one would only have been 2 or 3 so really just enjoyed the trailer ride.

TBH she always realised that "Shopping Centre Santas" were completely unaffiliated with actual Santa and were just there to get toys from :joker:

Oh that sounds amazing, would like to go there myself :laugh:

[bots]

kids will make up their own reasons for santas being abstract, there is too much excitement around getting presents for inconsistencies to get in the way :laugh:

I think the age where reasoning kicks in has lowered considerably since i was a kid. I think peer awareness that santa was faked kicked in about 7 years old for me, now i would imagine its first christmas at school

[Livia]

Why can't a black kid get a gift from an established character who is white? Why do we have to change a character that goes back centuries, and who comes from the Arctic, into a black character?

[Cherie]

My kids never thought the Santa's you go to see at Christmas were the "real" Santa anyway, just his helpers so I can't see any issue with this, I'm sure there have been other black Santa's at shopping Centres before?

and in movies, so its not a major step forward or anything

[Niamh.]

kids will make up their own reasons for santas being abstract, there is too much excitement around getting presents for inconsistencies to get in the way :laugh:

I think the age where reasoning kicks in has lowered considerably since i was a kid. I think peer awareness that santa was faked kicked in about 7 years old for me, now i would imagine its first christmas at school

We actually had to tell Luke before he went into Secondary school, I asked him did he ever wonder about it and he said he never really thought about it and didn't seem bothered at all as long as he was getting his presents :laugh:

[Toy Soldier]

Oh that sounds amazing, would like to go there myself :laugh:

It was a great experience but I made the classic error of making sure the kids were all bundled up warm but just wearing my own normal jacket and not-very-thick gloves and it was so... so cold... :bawling:.

[bots]

Why can't a black kid get a gift from an established character who is white? Why do we have to change a character that goes back centuries, and who comes from the Arctic, into a black character?

because kids are indoctrinated from an early age, so they are aware of differences rather than just accepting something for what it is. First year at school i think is the marker these days for the ending of a childs innocence which i personally think is very sad

[Toy Soldier]

kids will make up their own reasons for santas being abstract, there is too much excitement around getting presents for inconsistencies to get in the way :laugh:

I think the age where reasoning kicks in has lowered considerably since i was a kid. I think peer awareness that santa was faked kicked in about 7 years old for me, now i would imagine its first christmas at school

In my experience it's not changed all that much, about 6 or 7 some start to realise and then they "play along" until around age 8 then all of the kids start pointing out it's not real. I'd say Christmas of 2nd year of primary was when the rumours started to circulate, it seemed that most still very much believed in the first year. My daughter was an "early sceptic" but we managed to make her more of a Santa Agnostic - she wanted to believe but she had her doubts and usually made this exact face on the topic - :suspect:. She was quite adamant about being considerate and never "leaking" this forbidden knowledge to friends or classmates though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why not remake King Kong and use a LLama instead

or Jurassic Park 6 but instead of Dinosaurs use Tortoises


Obviously, it would be a 12-hour movie if you were to include the chase scenes

[Toy Soldier]

because kids are indoctrinated from an early age, so they are aware of differences rather than just accepting something for what it is. First year at school i think is the marker these days for the ending of a childs innocence which i personally think is very sad

Honestly BOTS unless it's very different from school to school or has changed dramatically in the last couple of years this has not been my experience at all. My eldest started high school this year and her Primary School experience was extremely familiar to me as it seemed to be really no different at all to my own Primary School experience (in wonder years of 1990 - 1997). Quite bizarrely so in fact given the 30 year gap between the two. So little has changed :joker:.

Like I said though maybe that's not typical? My daughter did go to a rather "quaint" school where the "poverty line" was a lower-middle-class income.

[Livia]

8xGlrx2l8hs

[Crimson Dynamo]

8xGlrx2l8hs

:joker:

[Glenn.]

Tbh it would make sense in Santa-lore even. He isn’t human, he’s an immortal spirit appearing in the form of human, so it would make sense that he looks different at different times, or perhaps that he transcends time and space, so it’s not that he gets around the whole world in one night, but rather he visits every house all at once in millions of physical forms. :omgno:

Pretty much.

[Beso]

Do they say ho ho ho, or yo yo yo?

[Glenn.]

Why would they say yo yo yo?

[Beso]

Why would they say yo yo yo?

Cause all.my black friends say yo.

[GoldHeart]

My kids never thought the Santa's you go to see at Christmas were the "real" Santa anyway, just his helpers so I can't see any issue with this, I'm sure there have been other black Santa's at shopping Centres before?

Have you ever seen the movie Call Me Claus with Whoopie Goldberg? , it's a good movie . But anyway I liked how they explained to a child why Santa looks different, the real 'santa' mentioned even being a woman at one point . He's still the same person but he appears in different forms to people.

Which when you think about it makes sense , sometimes he's native Indian, sometimes he's Chinese ,he can be any race . Plus he's also a fictional character so why does it matter.

[Glenn.]

Cause all.my black friends say yo.

That’s not a ‘black’ thing though… white people say it too so I’m just wondering why that was your first thought

[AnnieK]

My son was an early disbeliever but he is in Year 6 now and a lot of his friends still believe. He knew never to spill the beans to his friends and is just quite smug in his knowledge :laugh:
I don't believe in lying to him and so when he asked me the "is he real" question, I had to tell him the truth as much as it killed the magic for me.

[Beso]

That’s not a ‘black’ thing though… white people say it too so I’m just wondering why that was your first thought

It's a very black thing in my friendship circles.

[GoldHeart]

So long as we don't mention Zwarte Piet. That's insulting apparently. but giving a Scandinavian a black face is okay. The most annoying this about this kind of crap is, I doubt it was a black person who came up with the idea. Disney, founded by a MASSIVE anti-Semite, but never even been considered for cancellation.

So you can't tell the difference between zwarte Piet and an actual black santa ? .

'Black Pete' is literally white people doing black face and not caring who they offend , oh and by the way anyone who disagreed with the 'tradition' got death threats.. ( how lovely eh) bet you didn't know that ?, there was silent protests around it .

Santa can be any race , he could even been a woman in a fake white beard ,why does it matter . plus they'll always be a million old white men dressed as Santa , that's the image everyone always sees .

[Livia]

So you can't tell the difference between zwarte Piet and an actual black santa ? .

'Black Pete' is literally white people doing black face and not caring who they offend , oh and by the way anyone who disagreed with the 'tradition' got death threats.. ( how lovely eh) bet you didn't know that ?, there was silent protests around it .

Santa can be any race , he could even been a woman in a fake white beard ,why does it matter . plus they'll always be a million old white men dressed as Santa , that's the image everyone always sees .

What do you mean, I can't tell the difference? Bet I didn't know that? Who the bloody hell are you talking to?

Santa is a white man with a white beard who comes from the North Pole. That's the image everyone sees because THAT's what the image is. Try taking folklore figures from other cultures and making them white. See how it plays out.

[Jordan.]

What do you mean, I can't tell the difference? Bet I didn't know that? Who the bloody hell are you talking to?

Santa is a white man with a white beard who comes from the North Pole. That's the image everyone sees because THAT's what the image is. Try taking folklore figures from other cultures and making them white. See how it plays out.

Like Jesus? Doesn't seem a problem.

[Niamh.]

Like Jesus? Doesn't seem a problem.

:laugh: touché

[Livia]

Like Jesus? Doesn't seem a problem.

:laugh: touché



I'm a Jew. Take it up with the Christians.

[Jordan.]

I'm a Jew. Take it up with the Christians.

I don't have an issue to take up that seemed to be your thing :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Im old enough to remember when Micahel Jackson was black

[GoldHeart]

What do you mean, I can't tell the difference? Bet I didn't know that? Who the bloody hell are you talking to?

Santa is a white man with a white beard who comes from the North Pole. That's the image everyone sees because THAT's what the image is. Try taking folklore figures from other cultures and making them white. See how it plays out.

Imagine getting so angry over a children's folklore
:facepalm: Santa is fictional , did you also have a problem with the new little Mermaid being played by a black actress ? ,seen as originally she was written as a white Danish girl?.

[Niamh.]

I'm a Jew. Take it up with the Christians.

Why would I take it up with anyone? :laugh:

[GoldHeart]

Like Jesus? Doesn't seem a problem.

That apparently seems ok , yet Santa is somehow more offensive :whistle:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I very much doubt that any of the great masters who depicted Jesus in art had ever set foot in Palestine let alone had any idea what a first Century Palestine man aged 30 looked like.

Cultures tend to portray prominent religious figures to look like the dominant racial identity and artists paint generally for likes and money...

go figure

[bots]

Im old enough to remember when Micahel Jackson was black

that was a skin complaint as you well know, just as it was fake news that he had any plastic surgery :nono:

[Niamh.]

I very much doubt that any of the great masters who depicted Jesus in art had ever set foot in Palestine let alone had any idea what a first Century Palestine man aged 30 looked like.

Cultures tend to portray prominent religious figures to look like the dominant racial identity and artists paint generally for likes and money...

go figure

What's Martin Scorsese's excuse?

[Crimson Dynamo]

that was a skin complaint as you well know, just as it was fake news that he had any plastic surgery :nono:

my bad:spin:

I also remember he wasn't a paedo he just liked children more than adults

especially in his bed


:skull:

[GoldHeart]

What's Martin Scorsese's excuse?

Or Franco Zeffirelli's

[Crimson Dynamo]

What's Martin Scorsese's excuse?

https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2021/03/NINTCHDBPICT000639865539.jpg

[Livia]

I don't have an issue to take up that seemed to be your thing :shrug:

So you're okay with a white Jesus? Fine... but you're the one who used him as an example.

Imagine getting so angry over a children's folklore
:facepalm: Santa is fictional , did you also have a problem with the new little Mermaid being played by a black actress ? ,seen as originally she was written as a white Danish girl?.

I have a problem with Disney full stop.

I haven't had much to do with you Goldheart, and that's because you post stuff like this. Facepalm yourself.


Why would I take it up with anyone? :laugh:

You posted a 'touche' in response to my post. I didn't bring Jesus up.

We're a long way from Zeffirelli's Jesus. Is there anyone alive now who doesn't think that Jesus, if he lived at all, looked like a Middle Eastern Jew? I mean, does anyone imagine he was a white man?

And weren't we talking about Nordic Father Christmas?

[Beso]

So you can't tell the difference between zwarte Piet and an actual black santa ? .

'Black Pete' is literally white people doing black face and not caring who they offend , oh and by the way anyone who disagreed with the 'tradition' got death threats.. ( how lovely eh) bet you didn't know that ?, there was silent protests around it .

Santa can be any race , he could even been a woman in a fake white beard ,why does it matter . plus they'll always be a million old white men dressed as Santa , that's the image everyone always sees .



Not caring who they offend....should read, not caring who they are entertaining whilst on stage.

[Liam-]

Black man gets a job as a fictional character, stop the press, the world is ending!!!!

[GoldHeart]

So you're okay with a white Jesus? Fine... but you're the one who used him as an example.



I have a problem with Disney full stop.

I haven't had much to do with you Goldheart, and that's because you post stuff like this. Facepalm yourself.


Likewise I really don't care , I'm not the one getting petty and angry. So now emoji's upset you ok lol.

You posted a 'touche' in response to my post. I didn't bring Jesus up.

We're a long way from Zeffirelli's Jesus. Is there anyone alive now who doesn't think that Jesus, if he lived at all, looked like a Middle Eastern Jew? I mean, does anyone imagine he was a white man?

And weren't we talking about Nordic Father Christmas?

Likewise ... I really don't care , I'm not the one getting petty for no reason ,so now emoji's upset you interesting.

[Alf]

Im old enough to remember when Micahel Jackson was blackAnd when Des o'connor was White.

[Livia]

Likewise ... I really don't care , I'm not the one getting petty for no reason ,so now emoji's upset you interesting.

It's sweet that you don't see that your every post is petty and provocative.

I don't use emoticons because I can write in full sentences.

Don't talk to me again.

[GoldHeart]

Do people realise Santa / Father Christmas was based on St Nicholas who was of Greek descent and born in Turkey , he was NOT a white man.

https://www.biography.com/religious-figure/saint-nicholas

https://i.postimg.cc/1tr2dHJX/gettyimages-517447256.jpg (https://postimg.cc/ZB0wBrkz)life's garden poem (https://poemsonly.com/poem/2386)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do people realise Santa / Father Christmas was based on St Nicholas who was of Greek descent and born in Turkey , he was NOT a white man.

https://www.biography.com/religious-figure/saint-nicholas

https://i.postimg.cc/1tr2dHJX/gettyimages-517447256.jpg (https://postimg.cc/ZB0wBrkz)life's garden poem (https://poemsonly.com/poem/2386)

Turkish people are Caucasians

:facepalm:

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh it would make sense in Santa-lore even. He isn’t human, he’s an immortal spirit appearing in the form of human, so it would make sense that he looks different at different times, or perhaps that he transcends time and space, so it’s not that he gets around the whole world in one night, but rather he visits every house all at once in millions of physical forms. :omgno:

I still find it creepy that he likes to break into houses to visit kids.

[Mystic Mock]

Black man gets a job as a fictional character, stop the press, the world is ending!!!!

At least you're getting it.:hehe:

Seriously though I think it would be more weird to me if the character's race was a defining element of the character.

for me, Aang in The Last Airbender Film not looking Asian even though he has got a bloody Chinese name was the worst.