98% of pregnant women in hospital With Covid...

[Crimson Dynamo]

are unvaccinated

https://www.paho.org/sites/default/files/styles/max_1500x1500/public/2021-05/auscultacion-de-latidos.jpg?itok=ibMwRkpB

SOurce: LBC and latest press briefing by Boris

[arista]

Yes Blame Bev Turner

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes she needs to take a good hard look at herself

[bots]

i think most people are sensible enough to make their own minds up on when to get vaccinated. The words of some anti-vax nutters doesn't influence them at all

[Liam-]

i think most people are sensible enough to make their own minds up on when to get vaccinated. The words of some anti-vax nutters doesn't influence them at all

You’d probably be surprised how many people are influenced by these public anti-vaxx wackos

[Crimson Dynamo]

You’d probably be surprised how many people are influenced by these public anti-vaxx wackos

98%

i mean wtaf

[bots]

there are 1000 different reasons for not wanting to get vaccinated ... genuine vaccine hesitancy, and they are being lumped in with anti vaxers.

Pregnant women are of course very careful not wanting to harm their unborn child. They are warned against taking even the most innocuous of everyday medicines, and the unsuitable medicine list is added to every year, so who can blame them for being extremely cautious toward a brand new vaccine, i certainly don't

[Oliver_W]

Yes she needs to take a good hard look at herself

How would she do that? Her kind don't have reflections.

[Tom4784]

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[AnnieK]

Pregnant women are cautious about what they put in their bodies whilst pregnant. Most women realise that anything they put in their bodies can affect the unborn child. A lot of women will still have family members who remember the thalidomide crisis....a new medication that caused severe birth defects although it was classed as a wonder drug. I can understand the hesitancy of pregnant women....I went into a pharmacy when pregnant with a cold to buy some decongestant tablets and they advised me strongly against taking them. I didn't take anything for.my cold, I was terrified that something may harm the child.I was carrying. Being scared for your child does not make you abhorrent, as long as you are very careful on who you are mixing with at the.moment

[Toy Soldier]

To be fair on this I understand the hesitancy for pregnant women - the Pfizer vaccine did seem to affect many women hormonally for 3 or 4 months post-vaccine (nothing to worry about, no lasting effects observed) so it wasn't an unfounded fear that it could effect pregnancy. I think it was only relatively recently that testing conclusively showed it to be safe in pregnancy.

[Jordan.]

Understandable for women who were pregnant before the vaccine was available to them but that window is surely beginning to narrow now so there's not much excuse to not have had it pre-pregnancy.

[Alf]

So before the vaccine came out was the numbers still 98%? At the height of the pandemic it must have been more?

[AnnieK]

So before the vaccine came out was the numbers still 98%? At the height of the pandemic it must have been more?

Of course, before the vaccine came out 100% of anyone in hospital with covid would have been unvaccinated

[bots]

Understandable for women who were pregnant before the vaccine was available to them but that window is surely beginning to narrow now so there's not much excuse to not have had it pre-pregnancy.

Many woman who are planning to have a family will be reluctant too, it's not a simple switch that tripped when the vaccine became available

[Toy Soldier]

So before the vaccine came out was the numbers still 98%? At the height of the pandemic it must have been more?


Of course, before the vaccine came out 100% of anyone in hospital with covid would have been unvaccinated

:joker: yes the statistic is “98% of pregnant women in hospital with Covid are unvaccinated”, not “98% of pregnant women in hospital have Covid”. I think that’s the confusion here.

[Alf]

Of course, before the vaccine came out 100% of anyone in hospital with covid would have been unvaccinatedYeah, I got that wrong, what I mean is, was it a big thing, was pregnant women in hospital with covid out of control? I don't recall hearing about it, so why now?

Arista needs to find the stats, if they were all unvaxed at that time you'd expect it to be a large number. Because according to this if you are vaxxed it drops to 2%. You'd think there would be far, far more then then now.

[bots]

Yeah, I got that wrong, what I mean is, was it a big thing, was pregnant women in hospital with covid out of control? I don't recall hearing about it, so why now?

Arista needs to find the stats, if they were all unvaxed at that time you'd expect it to be a large number. Because according to this if you are vaxxed it drops to 2%. You'd think there would be far, far more then then now.

there have been loads of published stories on pregnant women with covid right from the start of the pandemic

[Alf]

there have been loads of published stories on pregnant women with covid right from the start of the pandemicHere's one from last week from a CDC study.



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[Alf]

According to Reuters a few days ago they say Germany says no Moderna for pregnant women.

That there would make some pregnant women sceptical about taking any vaccine.



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[AnnieK]

Yeah, I got that wrong, what I mean is, was it a big thing, was pregnant women in hospital with covid out of control? I don't recall hearing about it, so why now?

Arista needs to find the stats, if they were all unvaxed at that time you'd expect it to be a large number. Because according to this if you are vaxxed it drops to 2%. You'd think there would be far, far more then then now.

Why does Arista have to find that information? He didn't start the thread.

The figures don't have to be huge anyway....Even if there are only 100 women across the country in hospital who are pregnant and have covid (a miniscule proportion of the population) and onlt 2 of them have been vaccinated, then 98% of.prenant women in hospital with covid will be unvaccinated

[Alf]

Why does Arista have to find that information? He didn't start the thread.

The figures don't have to be huge anyway....Even if there are only 100 women across the country in hospital who are pregnant and have covid (a miniscule proportion of the population) and onlt 2 of them have been vaccinated, then 98% of.prenant women in hospital with covid will be unvaccinatedI like to question things Annie, I don't trust people who turn a blind eye to young girls being raped, who employ predatory paedophiles like Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris and Stuart Hall for decades, who give no platform to a large amount of sceptical protesters but will constantly show a few idiots protesting daily in their news cycles. Who suggested we were racist for the way we voted in the referendum, who start a war on a lie. I want to be sure they're not trying to kill off the soon to be born.

There's no harm in questioning things.

[AnnieK]

I like to question things Annie, I don't trust people who turn a blind eye to young girls being raped, who employ predatory paedophiles like Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris and Stuart Hall for decades, who give no platform to a large amount of sceptical protesters but will constantly show a few idiots protesting daily in their news cycles. Who suggested we were racist for the way we voted in the referendum. I want to be sure they're not trying to kill of the soon to be born.

There's no harm in questioning things.

I do agree....I completely understand vaccine hesitancy in pregnant women, from the moment you know you are pregnant you are hyper aware and conditioned that anything you put in your body has the potential to cross the placenta and affect your baby - no mayo, no alcohol, limit caffiene, be careful with other foods etc etc and like I said earlier, I was advised not to use an over the counter cold medicine so I would possibly have have been one of the hesitant ones.

However, I have read the data, along with the stories of pregnant women who have died and.never met their children because they were unable to fight the virus who may have survived had they been vaccinated.

Its a tough one and women should not be vilified for being hesitant and worried

[bots]

vaccine hesitancy is being lumped in with ant vax. Sometimes they merge into 1, other times they are for completely different reasons.

The media and the government are peddling a false narrative in that regard. Vilifying women for being concerned for their unborn child is a pretty low thing to do I think

[Alf]

This guy thinks that the double jabbed will now become unvaccinated again.

The Neverending story



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[Cherie]

vaccine hesitancy is being lumped in with ant vax. Sometimes they merge into 1, other times they are for completely different reasons.

The media and the government are peddling a false narrative in that regard. Vilifying women for being concerned for their unborn child is a pretty low thing to do I think

It is, I completely understand pregnant women being hesitant about taking the vaccine, or those thinking about getting pregnant

[Toy Soldier]

There's a combination of factors for pregnant women that make covid a larger concern, coming from both sides, so it's really a very complicated balancing act. The immune system in pregnancy is altered (in order to not reject the growing fetus, which only has half of the mother's DNA so would be at risk of being identified as a problem by a "normal" immune system and that means that just because something is safe for the rest of the population doesn't mean it's safe for pregnant women. Important to note that it's not even that pregnant women aren't immune-suppressed... they are immune-altered so it's not even the same as testing in the immune-suppressed.

On the other hand, the later stages of pregnancy shift internal organs into the chest cavity and limit lung capacity, meaning that if severe symptoms of Covid (or any other respiratory illness) kick in, the pregnant woman is more at risk of respiratory failure. In the very-late stages of pregnancy MUCH more at risk as lung capacity can be very low.

So there are additional risks of vaccination over the average member of the public... but on the other hand, there are additional Covid risks over the average member of the public too. An unenviable position to be in really.

[Beso]

vaccine hesitancy is being lumped in with ant vax. Sometimes they merge into 1, other times they are for completely different reasons.

The media and the government are peddling a false narrative in that regard. Vilifying women for being concerned for their unborn child is a pretty low thing to do I think


It's not just the media and government, it's the people as well..which is evident in this thread

[Tom4784]

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[Beso]

Science says that the vaccine is safe for pregnant women, anyone who goes against the science for a fiction that benefits their own narrative is a moron.

Does it say it's safe for their unborn children?

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[Beso]

Pregnant women can also be exempt for medical reasons, but do not have to register.

[AnnieK]

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/231196/qa-covid-19-vaccines-pregnancy/

An interesting article from the British Medical Journal about why so many pregnant women are nervous. There were no early tests on the vaccine - at first science was advising NOT to be vaccinated. I would imagine that the numbers of women taking up the vaccine are now increasing as the data increases from studies that have finally been carried out.

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[Beso]

And absolutely no one is arguing against medical exemptions but if someone who is able to get the vaccine but doesn't just because of bull**** they've read on facebook, then they are an arsehole.

Pregnant women dont need to be medically exempt to be classed as exempt...

[Alf]

And absolutely no one is arguing against medical exemptions but if someone who is able to get the vaccine but doesn't just because of bull**** they've read on facebook, then they are an arsehole.But your double jab vaccines are not working.

So, do as £350m for the NHS Brexit Boris tells you and go get your booster.

[Withano]

98% of any group of people in hospital with covid are unvaccinated surely? Cba to look up stats but this doesn’t seem shocking to me?

[Crimson Dynamo]

98% of any group of people in hospital with covid are unvaccinated surely? Cba to look up stats but this doesn’t seem shocking to me?

current rate of people in hosp with covid who ARE vaccinated is 35%

https://fullfact.org/health/economist-vaccination-status/

[Tom4784]

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