Stanley Johnson Touching up Ass of Conservative MP Caroline Nokes

[arista]

This was back in 2003

Beth Rigby having a chat with Female MP's

Forcing the Name of the Bugger out.



SkyNewsHD reporter hounded old Stanley down.


Noaks Hates the PM
so revenge is now in play


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/15/23/50530269-10205867-image-m-152_1637019730112.jpg


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/15/23/50529793-10205867-Mr_Johnson_is_facing_allegations_of_inappropriatel y_touching_Car-m-162_1637019899296.jpg
Better days Caroline
when you were in the Cabinet.
https://members.parliament.uk/member/4048/contact

https://news.sky.com/story/everybody-knows-a-perpetrator-what-can-be-done-to-end-violence-against-women-and-girls-12469404



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10205867/Stanley-Johnson-accused-smacking-Tory-MP-Caroline-Nokes-bottom-2003.html

[bots]

would anybody be surprised if it were true?

[arista]

It's now a 2nd Lady working for
the New Statesman
who says he also Grouped her in 2019


Stanley you dirty old sod



Ref:LBC / Times Radio DAB

[arista]

[Meanwhile, Ailbhe Rea, political correspondent
for The New Statesman, claimed last night on
Twitter that Mr Stanley Johnson groped her at
a party at a Conservative conference in 2019.]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/8008394/stanley-johnson-alleged-inappropriate-touching/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Id imagine he will deny this as it may not be true

[arista]

Id imagine he will deny this as it may not be true


2 Women
have no reason to make this up

[Crimson Dynamo]

2 Women
have no reason to make this up

well we dont know they may not like him or they may be mistaken?

[joeysteele]

2 Women
have no reason to make this up

No they don't, you are right.

However it is against another perceived, do nothing wrong, say nothing wrong, Johnson.

Of course too, this is why Women don't reveal these things because of the likelihood they won't be believed.
Then they get the backlash.

[arista]

well we dont know they may not like him or they may be mistaken?

Sure, I have stated
Nokes hates the PM


But as Stanley did Slap her Ass
she has told Beth Rigby.

[Kazanne]

Funny how people are happy to believe this with no proof YET !!but other certain people they defend when they are proven to lie,lol, I just love Tibb, just sayin' and 20 years ago I doubt he will even remember,lol

[joeysteele]

Funny how people are happy to believe this with no proof YET !!but other certain people they defend when they are proven to lie,lol, I just love Tibb, just sayin'

Are you saying she's LYING then.
Or this just because it's about a Johnson.

No one's said it's right.
She says it happened.
All arista and I have said is we doubt she'd make this up..
Or the other Lady accusing him too.

So you'd rather all discount her events because it's Johnson's Dad.
You can only be meaning arista, bots and myself as we're the ONLY ones thus far to accept she COULD be right.

[Kazanne]

Are you saying she's LYING then.
Or this just because it's about a Johnson.

No one's said it's right.
She says it happened.
All arista and I have said is we doubt she'd make this up..
Or the other Lady accusing him too.

So you'd rather all discount her events because it's Johnson's Dad.

I never said that Joey did I ? If its true then he deserves to be found out but all I was saying was how people are already judging him but its wrong to judge others, you see THIS is why i dont bother in these threads anymore, arista has already called him a dirty old sod, he maybe but we dont really know that yet do we ? No one said she was lying either but 20 years !! , Its nothing to do with him or the PM,lol its to do with hypocrisy .If he is guilty he can then be judged.imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

2003?

[Liam-]

With him and his sons track record with women and flagrantly ignoring the law, it’s not hard to believe

[joeysteele]

I never said that Joey did I ? If its true then he deserves to be found out but all I was saying was how people are already judging him but its wrong to judge others, you see THIS is why i dont bother in these threads anymore, arista has already called him a dirty old sod, he maybe but we dont really know that yet do we ? No one said she was lying either but 20 years !! , Its nothing to do with him or the PM,lol its to do with hypocrisy .If he is guilty he can then be judged.imo.

This is as I said, why Women and also men don't come forward because the doubt is always put on them.

Arista always uses strong terms, he has since I joined here, he's no different.

All he's said is he doubts they'd make this up.
Sorry arista I shouldn't be talking for you.

Who's judging him though as you state.
There's only 3 of us who have accepted she could be right.

As for him not remembering after 20 years, he's a pretty sharp minded guy, he can recall in interviews things farther back then 18 years.

Of course it has to be investigated and looked into.
However it shouldn't be dismissed and nor should doubt be placed on these Ladies coming forward with these serious accusations either.
It isn't an easy thing for them to do and especially for Caroline being a Con backbencher too.

[GoldHeart]

I never said that Joey did I ? If its true then he deserves to be found out but all I was saying was how people are already judging him but its wrong to judge others, you see THIS is why i dont bother in these threads anymore, arista has already called him a dirty old sod, he maybe but we dont really know that yet do we ? No one said she was lying either but 20 years !! , Its nothing to do with him or the PM,lol its to do with hypocrisy .If he is guilty he can then be judged.imo.

What If there's no evidence to prove he's innocent either , I don't know if it's true or not to be honest .

[Livia]

18 years is well past the statute of limitations why bring it up now and not then? Maybe it wasn't politically viable then....

[joeysteele]

The other accusation of groping comes from ONLY 2 years ago at the 2019 Con conference.
I guess to some, she'll be making it up too.

[arista]

With him and his sons track record with women and flagrantly ignoring the law, it’s not hard to believe

You are Most Wise

[Niamh.]

The other accusation of groping comes from ONLY 2 years ago at the 2019 Con conference.
I guess to some, she'll be making it up too.

The victim blaming is awful. The whole Metoo movement lasted a long time eh?

[arista]

Funny how people are happy to believe this with no proof YET !!but other certain people they defend when they are proven to lie,lol, I just love Tibb, just sayin' and 20 years ago I doubt he will even remember,lol


Sure
but I watched the Beth Rigby
interview.


Caroline looks Honest
I believe her

She was in the Cabinet.
And Very Angry to be Kicked Out.

She had the Labour MP next to her
who is bringing, this problem, into the Press.


Stanley Johnson at his Home
with SkyNewsHD trapping him
looked Guilty - in my view

[arista]

"Sorry arista I shouldn't be talking for you."


Kaz
You can talk about me
we go back many years,
not a problem.

[bots]

obviously none of us know for sure one way or another, but we are all perfectly capable of judging people and predicting what people are like. Like I said earlier, it wouldn't surprise me at all. We all speculate based on his previous behaviour until it's verified or otherwise by other means.

[Cherie]

wouldn't surprise me, its got diddly squat to do with Bojo though anymore than any of his other children

[Kazanne]

What If there's no evidence to prove he's innocent either , I don't know if it's true or not to be honest .

Well i think you and i know only too well Goldheart how someone is guilty by media, even though they were proved innocent

[Kazanne]

"Sorry arista I shouldn't be talking for you."


Kaz
You can talk about me
we go back many years,
not a problem.

lol, we do ,and I did chuckle when you posted dirty old sod ,I just used that as an example, :laugh: it wont surprise me much either if its true, but I always thing people are innocent until proved otherwise .:wavey:

[Niamh.]

lol, we do ,and I did chuckle when you posted dirty old sod ,I just used that as an example, :laugh: it wont surprise me much either if its true, but I always thing people are innocent until proved otherwise .:wavey:

Sure but by the same token people shouldn't be automatically thought to be liars either for speaking about their experiences, no matter how much time has passed. Time passing doesn't mean that it never happened

[arista]

1460537328468955138

[GoldHeart]

Well i think you and i know only too well Goldheart how someone is guilty by media, even though they were proved innocent

Yeah I know once something has been said ,it can follow them around and even ruin careers. But we might never know for sure whether he's guilty or not .

[Kazanne]

Sure but by the same token people shouldn't be automatically thought to be liars either for speaking about their experiences, no matter how much time has passed. Time passing doesn't mean that it never happened

I don't automatically think of them as liars i just wonder why after such a long time, but as Joey pointed out the other lady said hers was 2 years ago, so I guess the truth will out hopefully.

[arista]

lol, we do ,and I did chuckle when you posted dirty old sod ,I just used that as an example, :laugh: it wont surprise me much either if its true, but I always thing people are innocent until proved otherwise .:wavey:



There are No Photos
It's do you trust Carolines Word.

Yes I do.

Watch Stanley avoid Eye Contact as he escapes into his home
Guilty Dirty Sod


Carolines Ass in 2003 was Hot.
She was starting in the Party.

[Toy Soldier]

What on earth do people imagine that women with successful careers have to gain from lying about dirty pawing old creeps touching them up?

Where did the idea that this somehow benefits their careers come from?

It wrecks them. The workload investigators have to put in to convince people to come forward at all is absolutely massive. Hence, most never tell anyone, because even when the handsy bastards ARE found to have done wrong, the women's reputations are trashed by the Old Boys anyway. And yet there's a narrative that adult women who have worked on their careers are doing it for what? Attention? This sort of attention doesn't end well for anyone. It usually ends BETTER for the accused than the accuser.

[Niamh.]

What on earth do people imagine that women with successful careers have to gain from lying about dirty pawing old creeps touching them up?

Where did the idea that this somehow benefits their careers come from?

It wrecks them. The workload investigators have to put in to convince people to come forward at all is absolutely massive. Hence, most never tell anyone, because even when the handsy bastards ARE found to have done wrong, the women's reputations are trashed by the Old Boys anyway. And yet there's a narrative that adult women who have worked on their careers are doing it for what? Attention? This sort of attention doesn't end well for anyone. It usually ends BETTER for the accused than the accuser.

Yep. A lot of times even if it's found to be true, the woman will be blamed in some way "She wasn't complaining at the time" "probably got ahead in her career because of it" etc etc etc

[arista]

TS

Caroline was a Good Cabinet minister

Stanley's son removed her.

She has nothing to lose now
her kids can be proud of her.

[Toy Soldier]

She has nothing to lose now

Yes that's often the only time people finally feel comfortable coming forward (unfortunately)

[arista]

[Caroline has used her position to campaign
on subjects close to her heart,
including the equine industry,
issues affecting children
(especially those with autism and Special Educational Needs),
rural affairs, consumer protection, energy policy
and the environment, the brewing
and pub industry, planning and international development.
Caroline has introduced two pieces of legislation,
on consumer protection and on dangerous dogs.]


From her Site.

[Niamh.]

I don't automatically think of them as liars i just wonder why after such a long time, but as Joey pointed out the other lady said hers was 2 years ago, so I guess the truth will out hopefully.

I still don't get this wondering why after a long time stuff, why does time passing somehow make the accusation less likely then if it happened last week? In this case how long ago it was, was probably the exact reason she didn't accuse him at that time, the longer ago it was, the more "OK" it was to touch women inappropriately. That's just society in general but there could be many of her own personal reasons she didn't feel strong enough to come out and say something back then. Maybe she knew she'd be called a liar, that people wouldn't believe her but now she's older she's more able to deal with that? Maybe she felt he was in too much of a position of power back then, there could be many many reasons why now was the time she chose :shrug:

[bots]

I still don't get this wondering why after a long time stuff, why does time passing somehow make the accusation less likely then if it happened last week? In this case how long ago it was, was probably the exact reason she didn't accuse him at that time, the longer ago it was, the more "OK" it was to touch women inappropriately. That's just society in general but there could be many of her own personal reasons she didn't feel strong enough to come out and say something back then. Maybe she knew she'd be called a liar, that people wouldn't believe her but now she's older she's more able to deal with that? Maybe she felt he was in too much of a position of power back then, there could be many many reasons why now was the time she chose :shrug:

the time gap has a lot to do with family circumstances too. Things like school aged children, elderly parents could all easily affect her ability to speak out

[Kazanne]

There are No Photos
It's do you trust Carolines Word.

Yes I do.

Watch Stanley avoid Eye Contact as he escapes into his home
Guilty Dirty Sod


Carolines Ass in 2003 was Hot.
She was starting in the Party.

:laugh: I did see that arista, I don't know much about her tbh, or Stanley really other than he is good friends with Toff. It's a breaking story lets hope they get to the bottom of it (excuse the pun :laugh:)

[Niamh.]

the time gap has a lot to do with family circumstances too. Things like school aged children, elderly parents could all easily affect her ability to speak out

Yes absolutely

[Tom4784]

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[arista]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/NINTCHDBPICT000694011788.jpg?w=1240
Ailbhe Rea, the political correspondent
for The New Statesman, also claimed Mr Stanley groped her

The New Statesman Lady
Young and Firm


2019 Dirty Sod Stanley
Touching her UP

[bots]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/NINTCHDBPICT000694011788.jpg?w=1240
Ailbhe Rea, the political correspondent
for The New Statesman, also claimed Mr Stanley groped her

The New Statesman Lady
Young and Firm


2019 Dirty Sod Stanley
Touching her UP


The New Statesman Lady
Young and Firm

Seriously Arista, get a grip

[arista]

Sky Reporter Sam Coates
Asked Live Keir Starmer

on Stanley Johnson smacked her (C. Nokes )Ass Hard

Keir says It must be investigated By Police or the Conservative Party.

[Beso]

He wouldn't have been old enough to be a dirty old sod 20 years ago.

[arista]

He wouldn't have been old enough to be a dirty old sod 20 years ago.



He was old 20 years ago, He is 81 now.
That MP felt his big Hand
(Caroline was Very Young)


Old Sod
as he touched up, the New Statesman Lady in 2019
I posted her Photo

[Crimson Dynamo]

He was
That MP felt his big Hand
(Caroline was Very Young)


Old Sod
as he touched up, the New Statesman Lady in 2019
I posted her Photo


What do you mean touched her up?

She is a hard left journo why did she not bring it up if it did happen at the time?

[arista]

What do you mean touched her up?

She is a hard left journo why did she not bring it up if it did happen at the time?



Because Caroline Nokes
on SkyNewsHD
woke her up.


Stanley does not care what party they are in
his hands like touching up younger women.

[Kazanne]

Because Caroline Nokes
on SkyNewsHD
woke her up.


Stanley does not care what party they are in
his hands like touching up younger women.

From what I hear on the net he smacked her arse and said she had a nice seat !!

[Crimson Dynamo]

From what I hear on the net he smacked her arse and said she had a nice seat !!

yes after she won in the election - a lot more normal back then and meant in a humorous manner

not a good idea in 2021

many things 19 years ago would not look good today

standard

[Toy Soldier]

yes after she won in the election - a lot more normal back then and meant in a humorous manner

not a good idea in 2021

many things 19 years ago would not look good today

standard

19 years ago was 2002, not 1975.

[arista]

From what I hear on the net he smacked her arse and said she had a nice seat !!


Yes Very True.

[joeysteele]

From what I hear on the net he smacked her arse and said she had a nice seat !!

Well if someone randomly came up to you and did that, would you be pleased or offended.

She stated he slapped her really hard.
Is that acceptable too.

Or does anything get excused as to the Johnson's ???

[joeysteele]

Because Caroline Nokes
on SkyNewsHD
woke her up.


Stanley does not care what party they are in
his hands like touching up younger women.

It doesn't matter what party anyone is in.

It doesn't matter the connection to anyone or status in whatever party either.

To slap anyone anywhere, isn't and shouldn't be acceptable.
No matter who the person is who is offending or the person who ends up offended.
Just wrong.

Why should I be, in this case however, surprised at the possible attempts to diminish it.

[Kazanne]

Well if someone randomly came up to you and did that, would you be pleased or offended.

She stated he slapped her really hard.
Is that acceptable too.

Or does anything get excused as to the Johnson's ???

Nothing is getting excused, calm down Joey I just posted what was online , Ive had things like that happen I think most women have , at some point, I just turn round and tell them don't touch what you cant afford :blush:, I've also pinched a blokes arse in humour, don't know why you are so angry about what I posted. People react in different ways, It's nothing to do with the Johnsons you have a bit of a bee in your bonnet about that ,If he has done wrong ,he will be found out and punished. Lighten up

[arista]

Downing Street does not want to know.

[joeysteele]

Downing Street does not want to know.

I bet they don't.

[Crimson Dynamo]

19 years ago was 2002, not 1975.

i listened today to a national radio show from 2002 today and half the content would be discussed in parliament as a hate crime incident

people today would lose their mind at what was acceptable in 2002

[Crimson Dynamo]

Downing Street does not want to know.

its a private person - nothing to do with number 10

[GoldHeart]

We'll probably never know for sure, and people will always wonder if it's true. Either way I doubt anything will be done.

[Crimson Dynamo]

We'll probably never know for sure, and people will always wonder if it's true. Either way I doubt anything will be done.

what can be done?

if i said you did that too

what do you want done about it?

[Toy Soldier]

people today would lose their mind at what was acceptable in 2002

Certainly.

Slapping women on the arse in the workplace was not one of the things that was acceptable.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Certainly.

Slapping women on the arse in the workplace was not one of the things that was acceptable.

we only have one version, no context

useless

but lets vilify a man on this

:skull:

[Toy Soldier]

we only have one version, no context

useless

but lets vilify a man on this

:skull:

Butt we're in agreement that if it did happen, arse-slapping wasn't acceptable workplace hijinx in the good old days of 2002?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Butt we're in agreement that if it did happen, arse-slapping wasn't acceptable workplace hijinx in the good old days of 2002?

nope

it wasnt the "workplace"

and it did not happen

[GoldHeart]

nope

it wasnt the "workplace"

and it did not happen

How can you say for sure it didn't happen

[Beso]

The man is very restrained with toff on gogglebox.

[Liam-]

How can you say for sure it didn't happen

Because privileged, straight white men always get the benefit of the doubt

[Crimson Dynamo]

How can you say for sure it didn't happen

The same way you can't say it did

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/16/07/50543599-10205867-image-a-5_1637047159482.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/16/07/50530787-10205867-Mr_Johnson_is_accused_of_smacking_a_female_Conserv ative_on_the_b-a-9_1637047159503.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/16/07/50530785-10205867-He_told_Sky_News_I_have_no_recollection_of_Carolin e_Nokes_at_all-a-11_1637047159506.jpg


[Mr Johnson told Sky: 'I have no recollection of
Caroline Nokes at all - but there you go.
And no reply... good luck and thanks']



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10210273/Sir-Keir-Starmer-calls-criminal-probe-Stanley-Johnson-sexual-misconduct-allegations.html

[joeysteele]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/16/07/50530785-10205867-He_told_Sky_News_I_have_no_recollection_of_Carolin e_Nokes_at_all-a-11_1637047159506.jpg


[Mr Johnson told Sky: 'I have no recollection of
Caroline Nokes at all - but there you go.
And no reply... good luck and thanks']



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10210273/Sir-Keir-Starmer-calls-criminal-probe-Stanley-Johnson-sexual-misconduct-allegations.html


That's not really a denial from him that it didn't happen then.

No recollection of Caroline wasn't no way did he ever do that.

''No recollection of Caroline''.
What does that tell us in a comparison to had he instead said, ''absolutely not I never did that''.

If I was ever accused of something I hadn't done and had the public opportunity to refute it.
I wouldn't be saying I had no recollection of it.
I'd be strenuously denying ever doing so.

What about the second accusation too.
Has he just avoided that addition to events?.

[bots]

prince Andrew's default response was "no recollection" ... it's a thing lawyers would tell you to say

[arista]

[What about the second accusation too.
Has he just avoided that addition to events?]


That came after
since he spoke to SkyNews
he has refused to speak to any press.

[joeysteele]

prince Andrew's default response was "no recollection" ... it's a thing lawyers would tell you to say

Well obviously I know that.

However it is really not a fitting response.
I can say I've no recollection of an issue at an event, however that's not saying the issue didn't occur.

Of course lawyers would say things like no comment and/ or no recollection.
That's fine.

Really however, on this, IF it never took place, just say No it never happened like that.
Or is he concerned now in case any more will surface now too.

All I know is I'd be incensed to be accused of something I hadn't done like this, and at the very first and earliest opportunity would strongly and insistently make the firmest denial too.

That's my take on this.
I'm more with arista now.
I'd more now believe Caroline AND the second accuser too.

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/16/07/50543599-10205867-image-a-5_1637047159482.jpg

I still dont understand why Bojo is responsible for his Dads actions, are we responsible for our parents?

[Kazanne]

I still dont understand why Bojo is responsible for his Dads actions, are we responsible for our parents?

I agree Cherie ,it seems that narrative only fits when it suits, concentrate on the accused ,not their children . or is it just another chance to have a go at the PM ?

[Tom4784]

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[Cherie]

I agree Cherie ,it seems that narrative only fits when it suits, concentrate on the accused ,not their children . or is it just another chance to have a go at the PM ?

who was PM in 2003, maybe we can drag them into it

[joeysteele]

who was PM in 2003, maybe we can drag them into it

Hardly,since both instances are alleged to have occurred at CONSERVATIVE PARTY conferences.

Plus the second when Johnson was PM.

No he's not responsible for his Dad's actions.
However one would expect his Dad to act with at least some decency at his Son's first conference as PM.

Bit of a stretch to try to bring Labour or a Labour PM into this however..
Labour doesn't attend Conservative Party conferences.

[arista]

I still dont understand why Bojo is responsible for his Dads actions, are we responsible for our parents?


Because Stanley goes to the Boris Johnson Political Conferences
and Stanley is Political speaker in Green Issues.



Kier Starmer wants the Police (what he stated yesterday)
if the Conservative Party do nothing - which is what they are

[joeysteele]

I agree Cherie ,it seems that narrative only fits when it suits, concentrate on the accused ,not their children . or is it just another chance to have a go at the PM ?

Did you think this way, when the press were getting at the deceased Father of the Miliband's to try to discredit Ed Miliband's 2015 election campaign.

Did you at that time say the Miliband's Father's actions were nothing to do with his sons?

I never saw anything from you to that effect on here.
Content possibly then to have Miliband slaughtered by the press re his Father.

However it mustn't be the case for this Leader Johnson.

[Kazanne]

Did you think this way, when the press were getting at the deceased Father of the Miliband's to try to discredit Ed Miliband's 2015 election campaign.

Did you at that time say the Miliband's Father's actions were nothing to do with his sons?

I never saw anything from you to that effect on here.
Content possibly then to have Miliband slaughtered by the press re his Father.

However it mustn't be the case for this Leader Johnson.

I don't even know what you are referring to Joey, I did not know much about Miliband or his dad so wouldn't have commented, but then I wasn't following politics as such, so don't even know the story you are referring to.

[joeysteele]

I don't even know what you are referring to Joey, I did not know much about Miliband or his dad so wouldn't have commented, but then I wasn't following politics as such, so don't even know the story you are referring to.

Fair enough.

My point only was Kazanne, we who were behind Labour in that forthcoming election, when the press began trashing the memory of Ed Miliband's Father, in order to reflect on Ed himself.

I just didn't see anything on here (other than from we, who were Labour), as to that shouldn't reflect on Ed Miliband re anything about his deceased Father.

Cons were more revelling in it.

Thank you for your response Kazanne.
For the record from myself, I don't think this should reflect on B Johnson however.
I'd doubt he could control his Father's behaviour any more than Stanley Johnson can control his son's.

The thing is too however, what family does can bring issues for high ranking public figures.
For instance Jeremy Corbyn gets stick for the actions of his Brother Piers.

[arista]

[Conservative MP Caroline Nokes is sent
'rape threat' and branded a 'Tory w***e' after
accusing Boris Johnson's father Stanley
of slapping her bottom at 2003 party conference]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10211361/Tory-MP-Caroline-Nokes-sent-rape-threat-accusing-Stanley-Johnson-slapping-bottom.html