View Full Version : Collapses and heart attacks in sport.
They seem to be happening quite frequently at the moment. What could it be?
We all know about Eriksson at the Euros, Sergio Aguero just a month or so ago and apparently another football player collapsed last night. But it's not ony in football it's happening in other sports, there's been a fair few cases recently. I saw a video on this earlier, I'm off to bed now but if I find it later I'll post it.
Denver
24-11-2021, 12:00 PM
Because people have underlying heart conditions that can't be found unless searching for something specific they don't show up on general tests and plus heart attacks can happen to anyone
rusticgal
24-11-2021, 12:08 PM
Because people have underlying heart conditions that can't be found unless searching for something specific they don't show up on general tests and plus heart attacks can happen to anyone
Pretty much this..
LaLaLand
24-11-2021, 12:57 PM
Because people have underlying heart conditions that can't be found unless searching for something specific they don't show up on general tests and plus heart attacks can happen to anyone
Basically.
Some people, regardless of fitness/age/general health just have, as they say, “bad hearts”.
John fleck collapsed last night, but has been discharged from hospital today.
i think this underlying conditions angle is nonsense quite frankly. Footballers particularly are subjected to very detailed medicals using the most sophisticated equipment we have available. If there was an underlying condition, it would have been found
Denver
24-11-2021, 01:16 PM
i think this underlying conditions angle is nonsense quite frankly. Footballers particularly are subjected to very detailed medicals using the most sophisticated equipment we have available. If there was an underlying condition, it would have been found
You have to search for different things and frankly most of the time they won't show up unless you start to have symptoms its not something that is easy to find
I believe this was from this week's champions league games.
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Former pro and England International, Trevor Sinclair is inquisitive about this. He's likely not seen anything like it in his lifetime involved in the game.
Probably just call him a conspiracy theorist, then that ends the discussion and we can move on.
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it could just as easy be down to training methods, diet, vitamin supplements etc etc etc etc
it could just as easy be down to training methods, diet, vitamin supplements etc etc etc etcUnless it's investigated, then we won't know. What we do know is this is happening regularly just lately. That's why people are picking up on it.
Denver
26-11-2021, 09:01 AM
So collapses have aways happened in sport so these dumb people must think the vaccine has been leading to collapses for decades now
GB news are asking the question's
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Denver
26-11-2021, 09:09 AM
Imagine taking the word of that channel
Imagine taking the word of that channelShall we take your word instead?
Nicky91
26-11-2021, 09:23 AM
Shall we take your word instead?
rather than some fish wife scientist in a non-existent news channel
rather than some fish wife scientist in a non-existent news channelIt does exist. I've just posted you a video from that news channel. You get it on Sky TV.
Denver
26-11-2021, 09:26 AM
Shall we take your word instead?
If a bigot speaks the words that come out their mouths are lies, id rather ask Sharon on her opinion while we walk past each other doing our shopping
If a bigot speaks the words that come out their mouths are lies, id rather ask Sharon on her opinion while we walk past each other doing our shoppingBut that's you, some people see things differently to you. If that's how you get by then crack on.
You seem to be getting angry that I'm reporting news stories that you don't want to exist. Unfortunately this is reality of what's happening whether you like it or not.
Nicky91
26-11-2021, 09:34 AM
really doubt that Aguero's health problems are vaccine related but any anti-vaxxer wants to blame the vaccines for literally anything bad
really doubt that Aguero's health problems are vaccine related but any anti-vaxxer wants to blame the vaccines for literally anything badNobody has blamed them on vaccines, they're just suspicious of why the big rise in these cases all of a sudden and would like to find out why. It's not too much to ask, our lives may depend on it.
Nicky91
26-11-2021, 09:44 AM
that said, these heart attacks in sports are a problem to be taken very seriously
and have been going on longer than covid times too
for example
Antonio Puerta
Marc-Vivien Foe
Phil O'Donnell
that said, these heart attacks in sports are a problem to be taken very seriously
and have been going on longer than covid times too
for example
Antonio Puerta
Marc-Vivien Foe
Phil O'DonnellThat's a fair example, why didn't you start with that instead of being all arsey about it?
Oliver_W
26-11-2021, 10:28 AM
i think this underlying conditions angle is nonsense quite frankly. Footballers particularly are subjected to very detailed medicals using the most sophisticated equipment we have available. If there was an underlying condition, it would have been found
You have to search for different things and frankly most of the time they won't show up unless you start to have symptoms its not something that is easy to find
I have a fairly rare heart condition, and it's absolutely invisible unless a very specific test is carried out designed to find that particular condition. And they only look for it if there's a specific "reason" to - in my case, it was a family member who had a heart attack, and was shown to have it. That's another thing - this condition doesn't show up after death, so if the relative's brother hadn't had a (then unexplained) heart attack which he didn't survive, they wouldn't necessarily have looked for it.
The point buried in there is that while sportspeople are generally subject to loads of medicals, not everything can be identified.
Cherie
26-11-2021, 10:46 AM
Do we know if any of those who recently collapsed had been vaccinated?
Do we know if any of those who recently collapsed had been vaccinated?No. Unless it's investigated then we won't.
I hear there was another situation yesterday with a Manchester United player.
Something odd is happening, there's been too many lately for it just to be a coincidence.
Cherie
12-12-2021, 05:33 PM
I hear there was another situation yesterday with a Manchester United player.
Something odd is happening, there's been too many lately for it just to be a coincidence.
Apparently a small number of staff and players have tested positive for covid this am despite testing negative yesterday, could that explain it?
Apparently a small number of staff and players have tested positive for covid this am despite testing negative yesterday, could that explain it?I don't know. Here's some footage of the incedent, he seems to be complaining of his heart beating too fast. I've never heard of that being a symptom of having Covid.
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Cherie
12-12-2021, 08:46 PM
I don't know. Here's some footage of the incedent, he seems to be complaining of his heart beating too fast. I've never heard of that being a symptom of having Covid.
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How do you come to that conclusion...he is pointing to the side opposite where his heart is?
Apparently he complained of breathing difficulties which is a symptom of covid
How do you come to that conclusion...he is pointing to the side opposite where his heart is?
Apparently he complained of breathing difficulties which is a symptom of covidChest pains affects the whole chest, not just where the heart rests. But good observation all the same, I hope you buy my excuse/explanation.
Mystic Mock
12-12-2021, 09:02 PM
Because people have underlying heart conditions that can't be found unless searching for something specific they don't show up on general tests and plus heart attacks can happen to anyone
I know what Alf means, there has been an unusual amount of Heart defects going on in Football lately.
I mean I am gonna guess that it's probably damage left behind by Covid as we know that it can damage your Lungs in some people's case.
Mystic Mock
12-12-2021, 09:08 PM
Do we know if any of those who recently collapsed had been vaccinated?
I think that Eriksen was vaccinated.
Aguero had tested positive for Covid I think just before we were about to play them in the FA Cup last season. So I'll assume that he did get vaccinated.
Cherie
12-12-2021, 11:01 PM
I know what Alf means, there has been an unusual amount of Heart defects going on in Football lately.
I mean I am gonna guess that it's probably damage left behind by Covid as we know that it can damage your Lungs in some people's case.
Plenty hear attacks on the pitch well before covid vaccine David Ginola...Fabrice Muamba
Here is a whole list of players who died on the pitch...it isn’t anything new however much the narrative is pushed
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_pla ying
There were 2 incidents in the crowd recently...given probably 80% of football fans are vaccinated you would expect then to be dropping like flies surely :laugh:
Plenty hear attacks on the pitch well before covid vaccine David Ginola...Fabrice Muamba
Here is a whole list of players who died on the pitch...it isn’t anything new however much the narrative is pushed
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_pla ying
There were 2 incidents in the crowd recently...given probably 80% of football fans are vaccinated you would expect then to be dropping like flies surely :laugh:All people are asking for is an investigation into the sudden rise into these cases that have been occurring lately. We only get to see these ones because they're happening in the public spotlight, are more happening that ain't in the public spotlight?
Mystic Mock
13-12-2021, 12:16 AM
Plenty hear attacks on the pitch well before covid vaccine David Ginola...Fabrice Muamba
Here is a whole list of players who died on the pitch...it isn’t anything new however much the narrative is pushed
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_pla ying
There were 2 incidents in the crowd recently...given probably 80% of football fans are vaccinated you would expect then to be dropping like flies surely :laugh:
They've happened in the past I know that, but at the moment it's nearly every week a match is being played someone either from the crowd or a Footballer themselves are having heart problems, or some other medical issue.
Tbf I don't think it is the Vaccine (I hope not anyway) because I doubt that Politicians, Scientists or anybody else to do with the Vaccines would go out of their way to harm people when they need to fix the economy.
I am beginning to wonder if there's more to the Omicron variant that we're not being told about that could be linked to all of this, what do you think?
Cherie
13-12-2021, 03:27 PM
Another angle
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/1213/1266379-covid-world/
Bayern Munich's Joshua Kimmich said he regrets not making the decision to get a vaccine sooner after the midfielder was ruled out until January due to lingering effects of the coronavirus.
Kimmich, who has returned to light training but is struggling with minor lung issues after contracting Covid-19 in November, said last week he would miss the remainder of the year.
"Broadly, it was just difficult for me to deal with my fears and concerns, and that's why I remained undecided for so long," Kimmich told ZDN.
"Maybe I had to go through what I have now gone through first. Of course, looking back, I would like to make the vaccination decision earlier, but at the time it wasn't possible for me."
Kimmich revealed in October he was unvaccinated and the club came out in support of the player, a move that triggered a storm of criticism across Germany.
Kimmich said he understood the criticism that was directed his way but that some of it went too far.
"I have to say personally that some of the limits have been exceeded," the 26-year-old said.
"I also had the feeling that there was one or the other who tried to distinguish themselves through this situation. It wasn't always just objective criticism."
Bayern, who are six points clear in the Bundesliga, travel to face Stuttgart tomorrow.
Mystic Mock
13-12-2021, 06:39 PM
Another angle
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/1213/1266379-covid-world/
Bayern Munich's Joshua Kimmich said he regrets not making the decision to get a vaccine sooner after the midfielder was ruled out until January due to lingering effects of the coronavirus.
Kimmich, who has returned to light training but is struggling with minor lung issues after contracting Covid-19 in November, said last week he would miss the remainder of the year.
"Broadly, it was just difficult for me to deal with my fears and concerns, and that's why I remained undecided for so long," Kimmich told ZDN.
"Maybe I had to go through what I have now gone through first. Of course, looking back, I would like to make the vaccination decision earlier, but at the time it wasn't possible for me."
Kimmich revealed in October he was unvaccinated and the club came out in support of the player, a move that triggered a storm of criticism across Germany.
Kimmich said he understood the criticism that was directed his way but that some of it went too far.
"I have to say personally that some of the limits have been exceeded," the 26-year-old said.
"I also had the feeling that there was one or the other who tried to distinguish themselves through this situation. It wasn't always just objective criticism."
Bayern, who are six points clear in the Bundesliga, travel to face Stuttgart tomorrow.
An interesting read.
I get where he was coming from at the time as I feel so torn on what I should do because I know that Covid can cause health problems, but I also don't quite trust the Governments around the world 100% on the Vaccine because they're desperate to keep the Economy going.
These Vaccines have been rushed out which I think has made me uncomfortable, but having said all of that I know that I've got to take a gamble on one of them eventually.
Southampton legend Le Tissier on GB news.
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user104658
17-12-2021, 12:28 PM
The question to ask is, is it at an increased rate or is there increased/broader reporting? This is something that's always happened in high-level sports to some degree... these are people who are pushing their bodies well past "normal everyday use" if that makes sense. I'd need to see some actual stats to know if it's something that is genuinely increasing in frequency ("it seems like it is" can have other explanations).
Mystic Mock
25-12-2021, 11:42 PM
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That's awful.
RIP
Another incident last night.
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Another incident last night.
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he was probably drunk
Niamh.
23-02-2022, 03:07 PM
Another incident last night.
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A fan collapsing in the stadium isn't a player collapsing on the Pitch. That doesn't seem like an out of the ordinary thing to happen, people collapse for a multitude of reasons everyday and always have done
A fan collapsing in the stadium isn't a player collapsing on the Pitch. That doesn't seem like an out of the ordinary thing to happen, people collapse for a multitude of reasons everyday and always have done
It's happening more frequently, almost every time sky sports football live scores show is on they seem to be reporting on another game being held up due to an emergency in the crowd.
Does your town or city have a yearly event which gathers large crowds? If it does, you would know about someone collapsing in the crowd because it would be local gossip!
Can you put yourself in a position to remember anyone collapsing at such events?
It is happening more and more, it's clearly evident everytime you turn sky football on.
Cherie
23-02-2022, 03:43 PM
It's happening more frequently, almost every time sky sports football live scores show is on they seem to be reporting on another game being held up due to an emergency in the crowd.
Does your town or city have a yearly event which gathers large crowds? If it does, you would know about someone collapsing in the crowd because it would be local gossip!
Can you put yourself in a position to remember anyone collapsing at such events?
It is happening more and more, it's clearly evident everytime you turn sky football on.
I think they have changed the rules on this and the game has to be stopped now whereas before it would just carry on? Is that something to do with defibrillators which every ground has now?
Cherie
23-02-2022, 03:45 PM
From google, not that I am calling you a crank :hehe:
For most of its history, football ignored medical emergencies among fans and carried on. No longer. Stopping games is the only thing that has changed and it is a change for the better. It maximises the chances of survival for those who suffer from serious conditions. Cranks are trying to hijack this positive move for their own insidious agenda.
isn't it true that since the player collapsed at the euros, that everyone is much more proactive about emergencies now. They know the team medics can do something, they saw it, so now they flag the team doctors rather than asking a steward for help
Cherie
23-02-2022, 03:48 PM
isn't it true that since the player collapsed at the euros, that everyone is much more proactive about emergencies now. They know the team medics can do something, they saw it, so now they flag the team doctors rather than asking a steward for help
yes they send trained staff who are part of the coaching team, the game can't carry on as if a player gets injured the medics are treating the person in the crowd
simples
yes they send trained staff who are part of the coaching team, the game can't carry on as if a player gets injured the medics are treating the person in the crowd
simples
That still doesnt prove that there hasnt been a rise in the number of collapses.:shrug:
The increase of cocaine intake by the aging ruffian on match days might have something to say in this.
From google, not that I am calling you a crank :hehe:
For most of its history, football ignored medical emergencies among fans and carried on. No longer. Stopping games is the only thing that has changed and it is a change for the better. It maximises the chances of survival for those who suffer from serious conditions. Cranks are trying to hijack this positive move for their own insidious agenda.
Sounds about right ..
Just look how Sky News and their people jump on a story and run it till it’s dry then a week later they will push for the complete opposite
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Cherie
23-02-2022, 04:49 PM
That still doesnt prove that there hasnt been a rise in the number of collapses.:shrug:
The increase of cocaine intake by the aging ruffian on match days might have something to say in this.
A medical emergency would include anxiety and panic attacks as well so its possible
A medical emergency would include anxiety and panic attacks as well so its possible
That's a bit of a stretch, cherie.:blush:
Cherie
23-02-2022, 05:49 PM
That's a bit of a stretch, cherie.:blush:
No its not, someone can have difficulty with breathing and chest pain and can collapse during a panic attack so that would be classed as a medical emergency as it looks like the person is having a heart attack, did you never watch the Sopranos :laugh:
No its not, someone can have difficulty with breathing and chest pain and can collapse during a panic attack so that would be classed as a medical emergency as it looks like the person is having a heart attack, did you never watch the Sopranos :laugh:
Nope, cant say I ever have.:shocked:
Anyone recall Glen Hoddle having a massive heart attack LIVE on telly !??
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