Ava White: Liverpool murder arrests after girl, 12, dies

[arista]

4 underage boys arrested.



[A 12-year-old girl has died after
suffering "catastrophic injuries" during
an argument in a city centre.

Ava White was with friends in
Liverpool when she was assaulted
at 20:40 GMT on Thursday.

Merseyside Police previously said
she had been stabbed but later said a
post-mortem examination would be
carried out to establish the cause of death.

Four teenage boys, aged between 13 and 15 and
from Toxteth, have been arrested on suspicion of her murder.

Officers found Ava collapsed on the ground
on Church Alley shortly after the city's
Christmas lights switch-on took place.

A member of the public,
who had witnessed the incident,
was giving her first aid, police said.
Ava, who attended Notre Dame
Catholic College in Everton,
was taken to Alder Hey Children's Hospital
with critical injuries but died a short time later.

"We believe that Ava and her friends
had been involved in a verbal argument
which culminated in Ava being assaulted,
causing catastrophic injuries,"
Assistant Chief Constable Jon Roy said.

"We understand that the offenders
were then seen to run up School Lane
across Hanover Street and on to Fleet Street."]

Shocking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-59427833

[Nicky91]

don't go out at that time especially at that young age


i blame her parents here

[rusticgal]

Well Christmas lights turn on brings families out. We dont know who she was with yet...but if its just friends then I agree its a bit young..

[user104658]

don't go out at that time especially at that young age


i blame her parents here

While I agree it's a bit young to be out alone in the evening with friends (especially in the winter months) ... if I was assigning parental blame I think I'd be more inclined to blame the parents of the other gang of kids, who were also out on the streets ... but carrying knives, and willing to use them on 12 year olds.

[Nicky91]

While I agree it's a bit young to be out alone in the evening with friends (especially in the winter months) ... if I was assigning parental blame I think I'd be more inclined to blame the parents of the other gang of kids, who were also out on the streets ... but carrying knives, and willing to use them on 12 year olds.

umm no 12 yr olds or younger should be unsupervised in the evening outdoors though

[Cherie]

While I agree it's a bit young to be out alone in the evening with friends (especially in the winter months) ... if I was assigning parental blame I think I'd be more inclined to blame the parents of the other gang of kids, who were also out on the streets ... but carrying knives, and willing to use them on 12 year olds.

Indeed, I don’t think 8.40 is that late to be out if you are in a group and going to something family orientated like switching on Christmas lights, what the hell are these kids walking around with knives for ...:shrug:

[bots]

the number of murders is getting worse and worse.

I was thinking back to when i was a kid and a murder warranted an extra edition of the newspaper. How times change

[arista]

While I agree it's a bit young to be out alone in the evening with friends (especially in the winter months) ... if I was assigning parental blame I think I'd be more inclined to blame the parents of the other gang of kids, who were also out on the streets ... but carrying knives, and willing to use them on 12 year olds.



Yes that is so wrong.
The Evil lads (aged 13 to 15)
had weapons.

[One of the four boys arrested is aged 13, two are 14 and one is 15.]

https://news.sky.com/story/ava-white-murder-four-teenage-boys-arrested-on-suspicion-of-killing-12-year-old-girl-in-liverpool-12479070

[arista]

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RIP AVA

[Zizu]

What on earth is happening to this country


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[Mystic Mock]

RIP

Seriously why are there 13-14 year olds carrying knives outside? Especially to use on a 12 year old? They're clearly being failed somewhere in their lives to think that this is perfectly okay.

[Alf]

umm no 12 yr olds or younger should be unsupervised in the evening outdoors thoughA 12 year old should be able to go watch the Christmas lights turned on in their home town/City without this happening to them.

The parents of the little scum bags are the bad guys here for raising monsters.

You stop this by making an example of the parents and guardians of these monsters, by giving them the sentence for murder. It'll start to teach parents to make sure their children know right from wrong.

So many lives get destroyed and changed forever from a single incedent like this. It's not on.

Only we the people can make the change, first we have to come together.

[Niamh.]

Have to agree with Alf, a 12 year old is more than capable and able to go to a light switching on. Would a 14 year old be ok? And If so if they were the victims instead, then are we allowed to blame the preparaters?

[Niamh.]

Also, are 12 year old boys ok to watch the lights or is it only the girls who are to blame for getting themselves killed?

[Cherie]

Have to agree with Alf, a 12 year old is more than capable and able to go to a light switching on. Would a 14 year old be ok? And If so if they were the victims instead, then are we allowed to blame the preparaters?

100%..like Bobbi Ann..women should be able to sit at a bus stop at 6pm without fear of being abducted

8.40 is not late to be out with a group of friends

[Alf]

I can't even imagine kids of my generation in the place I grew up doing something like this. Don't get me wrong, there's always bullies and arseholes about, but stabbing someone, especially a boy stabbing a girl is unthinkable to me.

It's time to stamp this mentality and behavior out before it festers and becomes the norm.

[Denver]

What has actually changed in our society to think murdering someone is ok? I know murder has been has always been happening but it was isolated to certain people doing the crime now it seems like everyone and their dog is going out with the intent to murder

[Alf]

What has actually changed in our society to think murdering someone is ok? I know murder has been has always been happening but it was isolated to certain people doing the crime now it seems like everyone and their dog is going out with the intent to murderI'm no scientist but in my opinion it's bad parenting. I'm not a parent myself so I don't know what parenting is like in these times
and how different it is, I can only go off my own parents and the way they raised myself and my siblings. I understand the World has changed since I was a kid, but it doesn't seem for the better.

If my dad ever found out I was bullying anyone, I'd have got a good bollocking and put in my place, and I wouldn't have done it again.

If I'd have hit a girl he would have humiliated me and branded me a coward. I learnt those lessons from my dad from a young age in primary school. I love and respect my old man for teaching me those life lessons.

He also showed lots of love and kindness, he was a great dad, still is.

[Zizu]

A 12 year old should be able to go watch the Christmas lights turned on in their home town/City without this happening to them.

The parents of the little scum bags are the bad guys here for raising monsters.

You stop this by making an example of the parents and guardians of these monsters, by giving them the sentence for murder. It'll start to teach parents to make sure their children know right from wrong.

So many lives get destroyed and changed forever from a single incedent like this. It's not on.

Only we the people can make the change, first we have to come together.


I have to agree with the parenting point .

Too many parents simply have no idea who their kids are hanging out with , where their kids are or what they’re getting up to .


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[Alf]

I have to agree with the parenting point .

Too many parents simply have no idea who their kids are hanging out , where their kids are or what they’re getting up to .


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProThere's far more broken families these days then there used to be. I come from a broken family myself as my parents divorced just as I became a teen, I was lucky enough to have decent morals from a young age that kept me in good stead, but I also lived through what a broken family can do to children.

I'm not judging anyone for that, because it is the way it is, and the ease divorce laws came in, but I think it can play a part. As a teen I was always jealous of some of my friends who came from strong family units, and missed out on those great times, I also had great friends who came from broken families too, so it doesn't mean they can't function, I just know from experience that it can be damaging sometimes to a child.

[arista]

A 14 year old boy now has been
Charged with her Murder



All Media

[Zizu]

A 14 year old boy now has been
Charged with her Murder



All Media


They need to make an example of him and put him away for 20 years or so .

Seems harsh maybe but we have to stamp this kind of thing out fast imho


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[Cherie]

A 14 year old boy now has been
Charged with her Murder



All Media

Two lives and two families lives ruined because he decided to carry a knife

[Mystic Mock]

What has actually changed in our society to think murdering someone is ok? I know murder has been has always been happening but it was isolated to certain people doing the crime now it seems like everyone and their dog is going out with the intent to murder

It seems like everybody wants to be "edgy" nowadays and say that they've killed someone.

[Redway]

It seems like everybody wants to be "edgy" nowadays and say that they've killed someone.

I don’t know if it’s truly that common (everyone probably doesn’t want to be that edgy) but I hear you.

Either way it’s tragic for Ava’s family.

[arista]

Two lives and two families lives ruined because he decided to carry a knife



Yes very sad
for her Family.

[Mystic Mock]

I don’t know if it’s truly that common (everyone probably doesn’t want to be that edgy) but I hear you.

Either way it’s tragic for Ava’s family.

Yeah I definitely exaggerated how common this issue is a little bit.:laugh:

I agree with you that it's tragic for Ava's family.

[arista]

Schoolboy, 14, breaks down in tears as he is
found guilty of murdering Ava White at
Liverpool Christmas lights switch-on as his
12-year-old victim's family cheer verdict in court
Jury took two hours and eight minutes to convict
the boy, with 20 members of Ava's family
cheering verdict
Teenager, who appeared on video-link throughout
trial at Liverpool Crown Court, put his head in his hands
After murdering Ava the boy was
caught on CCTV buying butter for crumpets
and arranging hair for a selfie
During police interview refused to answer questions,
saying he 'wasn't bothered' and called officer a 'nonce'
Mrs Justice Yip told the defendant she
could impose a life sentence and remanded
him into secure custody]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10849665/Schoolboy-14-guilty-murdering-12-year-old-Ava-White-stabbed-Liverpool.html

[arista]

[Ava White death: Teenage boy sentenced
to minimum of 13 years for killing 12-year-old girl
Ava White was killed after a "chance encounter"
with a 14-year-old boy,
who cannot be named for legal reasons,
in Liverpool city centre on the night
the Christmas lights were switched on.]

https://news.sky.com/story/ava-white-death-teenage-boy-sentenced-to-minimum-of-13-years-for-killing-12-year-old-girl-12649792

The Evil boy stabbed her in her neck
She objected to them filming her
for Snap Chat video.

[Zizu]

It’s not long enough


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[bots]

i think he has been given the maximum sentence possible by law to someone under 16

[Zizu]

i think he has been given the maximum sentence possible by law to someone under 16


Wasn’t he a few weeks under 16 ??

They should have suspended the sentencing until his 16th birthday


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[bots]

Wasn’t he a few weeks under 16 ??

They should have suspended the sentencing until his 16th birthday


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it's age at the time the offence was committed

[Zizu]

it's age at the time the offence was committed


Curse those pesky regulations

:)


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[Redway]

don't go out at that time especially at that young age


i blame her parents here

Was that really your response?

[Redway]

Schoolboy, 14, breaks down in tears as he is
found guilty of murdering Ava White at
Liverpool Christmas lights switch-on as his
12-year-old victim's family cheer verdict in court
Jury took two hours and eight minutes to convict
the boy, with 20 members of Ava's family
cheering verdict
Teenager, who appeared on video-link throughout
trial at Liverpool Crown Court, put his head in his hands
After murdering Ava the boy was
caught on CCTV buying butter for crumpets
and arranging hair for a selfie
During police interview refused to answer questions,
saying he 'wasn't bothered' and called officer a 'nonce'
Mrs Justice Yip told the defendant she
could impose a life sentence and remanded
him into secure custody]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10849665/Schoolboy-14-guilty-murdering-12-year-old-Ava-White-stabbed-Liverpool.html

Let that useless boy cry all he likes. Whatever tears he has (fake or not) pale in comparison to those of Ava’s family and close friends. I feel so sorry for them.

[Cherie]

Poor girl, wrong place, wrong time, sticking up for herself being filmed without her permission, if he wasn't carrying a knife in the first place she probably wouldn't be dead

[Nicky91]

Was that really your response?

yes


a minor, you aren't allowed to go out at that time



and i'm not singling her out, but all children should not be allowed to go out at that time


its a dangerous world, not just murderers but also sexual predators out there and ur an easy prey as a child ESPECIALLY when its dark

[Nicky91]

as for the suspect, he probably learned it from his dad or something


i'd background check into his father more deeply if i were with the cops

[arista]

Poor girl, wrong place, wrong time, sticking up for herself being filmed without her permission, if he wasn't carrying a knife in the first place she probably wouldn't be dead


If only she never went up to him
He had her filmed on his snap chat


She told him to remove it


He then pulls out a knife, stabs her in the neck

Evil Killer kid

[Zizu]

If only she never went up to him
He had her filmed on his snap chat


She told him to remove it


He then pulls out a knife, stabs her in the neck

Evil Killer kid


So how is a twelve year stint a fair and just punishment for taking the life of an innocent young girl so callously


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[arista]

So how is a twelve year stint a fair and just punishment for taking the life of an innocent young girl so callously




he was under age

[Cherie]

If only she never went up to him
He had her filmed on his snap chat


She told him to remove it


He then pulls out a knife, stabs her in the neck

Evil Killer kid

It is not her fault, she was perfectly within her rights to ask him to stop filming her, he is at fault for (a) filming without permission (b) carrying a knife (c) using it (d) running away

[arista]

Yes I agree


I just say if she left the Thug alone
she could have stayed alive

She had no idea, he had that deadly knife, of course.

[Redway]

yes


a minor, you aren't allowed to go out at that time



and i'm not singling her out, but all children should not be allowed to go out at that time


its a dangerous world, not just murderers but also sexual predators out there and ur an easy prey as a child ESPECIALLY when its dark

What a wonderfully-appropriate response.

[Redway]

yes


a minor, you aren't allowed to go out at that time



and i'm not singling her out, but all children should not be allowed to go out at that time


its a dangerous world, not just murderers but also sexual predators out there and ur an easy prey as a child ESPECIALLY when its dark

I know you have your social communication difficulties but sometimes you just come across as incredibly insensitive and inappropriate with your remarks.

[Cherie]

I know you have your social communication difficulties but sometimes you just come across as incredibly insensitive and inappropriate with your remarks.

Isn't that the definition of autism :shrug:

give the guy a break

[Redway]

“ a minor, you aren't allowed to go out at that time”

It’s not like she was 8 (she was in high school). But more importantly an innocent girl died tragically so when it comes to appropriate response the fact that she was in town past a certain time is irrelevant. I don’t know why you keep using this story to emphasise how important it is that 12/14-year-olds don’t go out in the dark at all.

[Zizu]

Isn't that the definition of autism :shrug:

give the guy a break


Well for what it’s worth I am also on the spectrum and Nicky grinds my gears more often than not ...

I have him on IGNORE currently as it just makes life easier for me when I’m perusing the threads


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[Redway]

Isn't that the definition of autism :shrug:

give the guy a break

He just gets on my nerves with his insensitivity that pops up at the randomest times. Asperger’s (or wherever he is on the “spectrum”) or not he needs to learn to not say inappropriate things whenever he feels like it. Most “Aspies” (not because I’m really big/non-skeptical about the concept of ASD) I know wouldn’t dream of saying the things Nicky’s said in this thread or half the stuff he says in general. They don’t use it as an excuse to be racist, either.

[Redway]

If only she never went up to him
He had her filmed on his snap chat


She told him to remove it


He then pulls out a knife, stabs her in the neck

Evil Killer kid

Here’s the other robot Aspie.

arista, what the hell?

[Redway]

as for the suspect, he probably learned it from his dad or something


i'd background check into his father more deeply if i were with the cops

Flipping hell.

[Cherie]

Well for what it’s worth I am also on the spectrum and Nicky grinds my gears more often than not ...

I have him on IGNORE currently as it just makes life easier for me when I’m perusing the threads


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As you know the spectrum is large

[Cherie]

He just gets on my nerves with his insensitivity that pops up at the randomest times. Asperger’s (or wherever he is on the “spectrum”) or not he needs to learn to not say inappropriate things whenever he feels like it. Most “Aspies” (not because I’m really big/non-skeptical about the concept of ASD) I know wouldn’t dream of saying the things Nicky’s said in this thread or half the stuff he says in general. They don’t use it as an excuse to be racist, either.

Like everyone else you just have personal experience, you don't know where Nicky is on the spectrum, nor is it any of our business

[Redway]

Like everyone else you just have personal experience, you don't know where Nicky is on the spectrum, nor is it any of our business

I do hear what you’re saying but Nicky makes it pretty difficult to not get seriously annoyed with him when he comes out with the stuff he comes out with. If he doesn’t have the social awareness to know when to just leave it he shouldn’t be using forums other than wrongplanet.com. But deep down I do think he knows what he’s doing when it comes to some of the stuff he says.

[Ammi]

Ava White's murderer named for first time as teenage killer turns 18yrs


The teenage boy who murdered schoolgirl Ava White has been named and pictured for the first time as he turns 18. Harry Gilbertson, whose 18th birthday is today, Friday, June 20, stabbed 12-year-old Ava in the neck following an altercation moments after a Christmas lights switch-on in Liverpool city centre.

Gilbertson was just 14 when he committed the horrific incident in November 2021, meaning his identity was protected by a court-enforced order which prevented the media from publishing details including his name, picture and address.

[Redway]

@ Zizu

The murderer’s obviously a white man. Can you acknowledge that or does it stray too far from your narrative?

[Zizu]

@ Zizu

The murderer’s obviously a white man. Can you acknowledge that or does it stray too far from your narrative?


I made it abundantly clear that I was referring to the majority .. plus what is your hang-up with colour ?

Millions of crimes are committed each year in the UK by white Eastern Europeans ffs


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[Redway]

I made it abundantly clear that I was referring to the majority .. plus what is your hang-up with colour ?

Millions of crimes are committed each year in the UK by white Eastern Europeans ffs


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And you know what’s committed by tons of white British males? Shock-horror - crime. Who’d have thought it, ey?

[Zizu]

And you know what’s committed by tons of white British males? Shock-horror - crime. Who’d have thought it, ey?


More petty crime often drug related or some kind of embezzlement or fraud ..

All minor stuff compared to sex grooming gangs / sex offending / sex trafficking or acts of terror


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[Redway]

More petty crime often drug related or some kind of embezzlement or fraud ..

All minor stuff compared to sex grooming gangs / sex offending / sex trafficking or acts of terror


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So I guess murder and domestic abuse are minor crimes, going by your logic.