Sunday mail loses appeal against meghan markle.

[Beso]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/meghan-markle-court-case-mail-letter-b1968332.html

[bots]

meghan must have promised the judge a good spanking

[arista]

Yes Let it flow down the river

[Cherie]

Does this mean we can forget she lied to the court, I guess it does

[arista]

Does this mean we can forget she lied to the court, I guess it does


No

[Jordan.]

Meghan always wins
.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Donald absolutely rinsed her on Farage last night

:joker:

[rusticgal]

Well now she has "reshaped the Tabloid industry that conditions people to be cruel, and profits from the lies and pain they create" perhaps she can start on reshaping herself....utter hypocrisy :laugh:

[rusticgal]

Does this mean we can forget she lied to the court, I guess it does


The whole thing has just exposed her lies and the manipulation we know she is capable of. Its a shallow win for her.

[jet]

The whole thing has just exposed her lies and the manipulation we know she is capable of. Its a shallow win for her.

Exactly, the appeal has been a success in that evidence produced has exposed once again what a liar Meghan is, this time telling lies to discredit her own father, and lies about her involvement in the FF book, not to mention how sly she was by withholding evidence from the court.
Goodness knows what else would be revealed if it had gone to trial…:think:
AN is now considering taking the matter to the Supreme Court in the UK….

[Crimson Dynamo]

A pyrrhic victory

if ever was

[rusticgal]

A pyrrhic victory

if ever was


A prime example....

[Jordan.]

I imagine they now have to get on with their long overdue front page apology to our Princess

[jet]

When is Pinocchio going to apologise to her dwindling fanbase for all the lies she told them. :whistle:

[rusticgal]

When is Pinocchio going to apologise to her dwindling fanbase for all the lies she told them. :whistle:


It will never happen….her reputation is damaged beyond repair.

[Tom4784]

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[bots]

there are quite a few issues with this judgement legally, i don't think it's over yet by any means

[Livia]

Does this mean we can forget she lied to the court, I guess it does


No one will remember this.

Everyone will remember she lied. To a court.

[Toy Soldier]

Everyone will remember she lied. To a court.

That's an awful lot of faith in the general public, most people can't remember what they had for lunch yesterday. Really, the truth is;

1) Most people don't know about this at all because most people don't really care about the Royal dramas, and

2) At least half of those who do know about this will have forgotten there was a court case at all in a year or two - let alone the details.


Because all of it only matters to those it matters to.

[Toy Soldier]

Here's another unfortunate truth about human nature;

The people who care that she lied may have something more to dislike her for - but they already didn't like her.

The people who like her don't care that she lied.

"The masses" that would sway, let's say, a poll on the matter will have shifted to be less in favour but --- most of them are just responding after briefly pondering the question and couldn't actually care less.

We all know these things deep down. Such is tribalism, such is 2021.

[rusticgal]

That's an awful lot of faith in the general public, most people can't remember what they had for lunch yesterday. Really, the truth is;

1) Most people don't know about this at all because most people don't really care about the Royal dramas, and

2) At least half of those who do know about this will have forgotten there was a court case at all in a year or two - let alone the details.


Because all of it only matters to those it matters to.


I think you are very wrong. A lot of people have little interest in the Royal Family in general...however as individuals they can have a huge following. Diana is the greatest example...they loved her because of who she was not because she was part of the Royal Family. Likewise Meghan has created a following...but for all the wrong reasons. Unlike Diana she is hugely disliked in this country.

[rusticgal]

Here's another unfortunate truth about human nature;

The people who care that she lied may have something more to dislike her for - but they already didn't like her.




...and thats not true either. Many people liked her at the beginning....

[Toy Soldier]

Diana is the greatest example...they loved her because of who she was not because she was part of the Royal Family.

Yes and they continued to adore her no matter what she actually did ... this is a prime example of why I'm right :joker:

People who liked H&M before the "omg court liiiieeess" still like them.

People who disliked them before have something new to crow about and still dislike them.

People who didn't care before don't care now.

:shrug: that's the long and short of it.

[Toy Soldier]

...and thats not true either. Many people liked her at the beginning....

Many people who like the Royals in general liked Meghan and loved Harry in the past, and started to dislike Harry and Meghan when they "quit the firm" (because they, ultimately, sided with the remaining British Royals - they chose a side).

This is not the same scenario - the sides have already been picked and we're asking "is this something that would make people switch sides".

The answer is "it's very unlikely to have made much difference at all".

I know you'd like that not to be true :laugh:.

[Crimson Dynamo]

PIERS MORGAN: Put your gloating champagne away, Princess
Pinocchio - the court of public opinion now knows you're a fork-tongued
devious manipulative piece of work who only wants to protect your privacy so
you can sell it

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/02/17/51260309-10268465-image-a-4_1638466254811.jpg

'If you tell the truth,' Mark Twain once observed, 'you don't have to
remember anything.'

I thought of this incontrovertible truism today when news broke that Meghan
Markle had 'won' her privacy court battle with the Mail on Sunday.

Her victory response was issued within seconds, on regal notepaper adorned
with a gold 'M' under a golden crown, and headlined: 'Statement from
Meghan, The Duchess of Sussex.'

Obviously everything I have drafted is with the understanding that it could be
leaked,' she texted Jason Knauf, then her communications secretary, 'so I
have been meticulous in my word choice, but please do let me know if
anything stands out for you as a liability.'

Indeed, she was so convinced the letter might be published that she even
deliberately used certain words to manipulate the public's emotions when
they read it.

Knauf told the court: 'She also asked a specific question regarding
addressing Mr Markle as 'daddy' in the letter, saying 'given I've only ever
called him daddy it may make sense to open as such (despite him being less
than paternal), and in the unfortunate event that it leaked it would pull at
the heart-strings'.'


Wow.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10268465/PIERS-MORGAN-gloating-champagne-away-Princess-Pinocchio.html

[rusticgal]

Yes and they continued to adore her no matter what she actually did ... this is a prime example of why I'm right :joker:

People who liked H&M before the "omg court liiiieeess" still like them.

People who disliked them before have something new to crow about and still dislike them.

People who didn't care before don't care now.

:shrug: that's the long and short of it.


Yes you are right in what you say....but there are an awful lot of people like myself who DID like her but opinions changed because of the things she has done...probably more so than the examples you have given.

[jet]

Yes and they continued to adore her no matter what she actually did ... this is a prime example of why I'm right :joker:



You are not right because her popularity has plummeted and many who liked her going back no longer do - and many who adored her are feeling let down and lied to. The WAY they exited the Royal Family, the manipulations, the Oprah interview, the hypocrisies, the many lies, the preaching, the way she treats others turned the majority right off.
Those continuing to adore her no matter what she does….well, I’ll refrain from comment….:fan:

[Jordan.]

Massively unpopular yet her career and success goes unfazed. Meghan always wins :clap1:

[Toy Soldier]

You are not right because her popularity has plummeted and many who liked her going back no longer do - and many who adored her are feeling let down and lied to. The WAY they exited the Royal Family, the manipulations, the Oprah interview, the hypocrisies, the many lies, the preaching, the way she treats others turned the majority right off.
Those continuing to adore her no matter what she does….well, I’ll refrain from comment….:fan:

Who dislikes her now that didn't, let's say, after the Oprah interview.

Note that the argument here isn't "no one who used to like her dislikes her now" - it's that these "lies to the court" have made no real difference no matter how hard some people wish they would.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You are not right because her popularity has plummeted and many who liked her going back no longer do - and many who adored her are feeling let down and lied to. The WAY they exited the Royal Family, the manipulations, the Oprah interview, the hypocrisies, the many lies, the preaching, the way she treats others turned the majority right off.
Those continuing to adore her no matter what she does….well, I’ll refrain from comment….:fan:

Apart from that interview with the Bully Ellen what has she done? Id imagine she is viewed as toxic in the industry right now?

[Toy Soldier]

Apart from that interview with the Bully Ellen what has she done? Id imagine she is viewed as toxic in the industry right now?

"All The Jingle Ladies" is an anagram of "Eldest Anal Hell Jig"

[Beso]

"All The Jingle Ladies" is an anagram of "Eldest Anal Hell Jig"

You are obsessed with anal.:joker:

[Toy Soldier]

You are obsessed with anal.:joker:

It's not in my name :think:

[jet]

Who dislikes her now that didn't, let's say, after the Oprah interview.

Note that the argument here isn't "no one who used to like her dislikes her now" - it's that these "lies to the court" have made no real difference no matter how hard some people wish they would.

Plenty of people, from what I’ve seen and heard. If you don’t listen to the news or read anything other than this forum, then yes, there is nobody that admits she isn’t what they thought she was.
Even her biggest sycophant, Susannah Ried, admitted on air last week that it was getting harder and harder to defend her anymore.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's not in my name :think:

:joker:

[rusticgal]

Sadly its the much younger generation that only seem to have any support for them...a younger generation that love to rebel and have little or no respect for others....
Not a great reflection on their fan base because it reflects everything about them.

[Beso]

Sadly its the much younger generation that only seem to have any support for them...a younger generation that love to rebel and have little or no respect for others....
Not a great reflection on their fan base because it reflects everything about them.

:clap1:

[Liam-]

Sadly it’s the much older generation that only seem to have any disdain for them.. an older generation that loves to hate and has little or no respect for others...

[rusticgal]

Sadly it’s the much older generation that only seem to have any disdain for them.. an older generation that loves to hate and has little or no respect for others...

Thats because the older generation understand respect...they know the difference between right and wrong. They have always had respect for their elders and anyone that deserves it. Harry and Meghan dont know the meaning of the word.
The trouble with the younger generation in general is life is a blame game to many...anything bad that happens to them is everyone elses fault and they never own it themselves. I see it so much and its not pretty.
Its not everyone obviously but it does look like its becoming a trend.
No one 'hates' on Meghan here thats your words and others that cannot respect the fact that others have a different opinion...

[jet]

Thats because the older generation understand respect...they know the difference between right and wrong. They have always had respect for their elders and anyone that deserves it. Harry and Meghan dont know the meaning of the word.
The trouble with the younger generation in general is life is a blame game to many...anything bad that happens to them is everyone elses fault and they never own it themselves. I see it so much and its not pretty.
Its not everyone obviously but it does look like its becoming a trend.
No one 'hates' on Meghan here thats your words and others that cannot respect the fact that others have a different opinion...

Well said. It's frighening really how many of the younger generation look up to liars, hypocrites and manipulaters as their heros and heroines. It's all about thumbing their noses at such old fashioned things as decency and principles.

[Jordan.]

Thats because the older generation understand respect...they know the difference between right and wrong. They have always had respect for their elders and anyone that deserves it. Harry and Meghan dont know the meaning of the word.
The trouble with the younger generation in general is life is a blame game to many...anything bad that happens to them is everyone elses fault and they never own it themselves. I see it so much and its not pretty.
Its not everyone obviously but it does look like its becoming a trend.
No one 'hates' on Meghan here thats your words and others that cannot respect the fact that others have a different opinion...

Perhaps the older generation should have done a better job at passing on their so called respect. It's no secret both Harry and Meghan’s fathers failed at that.

[rusticgal]

Well said. It's frighening really how many of the younger generation look up to liars, hypocrites and manipulaters as their heros and heroines. It's all about thumbing their noses at such old fashioned things as decency and principles.


I think these people see decency and respect as a kind of weakness sadly. How anyone can support their behaviour is beyond me but those that have that mindset to treat people like that....always remember what goes around comes around...and it really does as we have seen with Meghan and Harry.
Anyone who thinks they are successful and happy are blind to the fact that the backlash they have had from the UK and the elite Americans is not what they want and it will eat away at them unless they can turn it around...but thats unlikely as the ugly untrustworthy traits have been well and truly exposed.

[rusticgal]

Perhaps the older generation should have done a better job at passing on their so called respect. It's no secret both Harry and Meghan’s fathers failed at that.


Proving the point that its always someone else's fault...:joker:

[jet]

Proving the point that its always someone else's fault...:joker:

:laugh: We rest our case.

[Jordan.]

Proving the point that its always someone else's fault...:joker:

It's learned behaviour so yes it is someone else's fault.

[Tom4784]

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[jet]

Says the unaware person screeching about the younger generation instead of having self awareness about their own actions and outlook.

Says the unaware person whose hatred and bile against any poster who doesn't agree with them is plain for all to see.

[jet]

The court case evidence:

"The crash of Meghan's credibility has been dramatic. Her integrity hangs on a thin thread."

Tom Bower - bio of Meghan due next year.

[Jordan.]

The court case evidence:

"The crash of Meghan's credibility has been dramatic. Her integrity hangs on a thin thread."

Tom Bower - bio of Meghan due next year.

Nothing we haven't heard before from those so desperate to see her cancelled :pat:

[jet]

Meghans letter.

Camilla Long
The Sunday Times

"I feel ashamed of the way we are being induced to accept this manipulative document as remotely ‘private’. It is private in the sense the Trojan Horse was a convenient mode of transport. It looked like a letter and felt like a letter, but in fact it was something else entirely."

:clap1:

[rusticgal]

It's learned behaviour so yes it is someone else's fault.


Really?...so as an adult you cant make your own decisions and recognise good and bad behaviour....thats sad.

[rusticgal]

Meghans letter.

Camilla Long
The Sunday Times

"I feel ashamed of the way we are being induced to accept this manipulative document as remotely ‘private’. It is private in the sense the Trojan Horse was a convenient mode of transport. It looked like a letter and felt like a letter, but in fact it was something else entirely."

:clap1:

Yes...it was manufactured "in case it was made public"...:laugh:

[Tom4784]

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[Jordan.]

Really?...so as an adult you cant make your own decisions and recognise good and bad behaviour....thats sad.

Never said otherwise? It would help however if the older generation you speak so highly of set a better example.

[Liam-]

I feel sorry for Meghan, all these people claiming hate her and everything she does, but are still very happy to cash their cheques from her name, she’s being used as a patsy by people who are all too happy to use and manipulate the eternally angry in the process, poor woman, even her own ‘family’ are doing it, I couldn’t even imagine how hard that must be

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[rusticgal]

Never said otherwise? It would help however if the older generation you speak so highly of set a better example.


Which is why you would think Meghan and Harry would know better...they are parents...you would think they would be setting an example for them..but clearly not. Its quite sad these children will grow up in isolation of their bigger family because of the bad decisions their parents made...but theres always the Chickens and The Bench...

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[Jordan.]

I feel sorry for Meghan, all these people claiming hate her and everything she does, but are still very happy to cash their cheques from her name, she’s being used as a patsy by people who are all too happy to use and manipulate the eternally angry in the process, poor woman, even her own ‘family’ are doing it, I couldn’t even imagine how hard that must be

She's nothing more than a cash cow to the media who know they can make money off of idiots who buy into tabloid gossip. These people who can't even see how easily manipulated they are deserve the most sympathy.

[jet]

She's nothing more than a cash cow to the media who know they can make money off of idiots who buy into tabloid gossip. These people who can't even see how easily manipulated they are deserve the most sympathy.

But the truth is, a lot isn't just tabloid gossip, its proven fact. You and others are the ones being manipulated and duped because you have blinkers on or you just refuse to admit she isn't the sweet lovely caring person she presented herself to be - far from it.

[jet]

....and here is some more 'gossip' for you. According to Lady Colin Campbell an impeccable source has reported to her that Harry is privately 'in turmoil' because the blinkers are falling from his eyes.
If true, too bad Harry, you made your bed....

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[jet]

It's sad when people convince themselves that their hatred is righteous and that people are in the wrong for simply being kind to another human being.

We're talking about a celebrity here, she isn't some human rights abusing dictator, she's someone living on the other side of the world to us.

She has set herself up as an 'influencer' who jumps on any bandwagon going to gain approval from the woke generation, but really she is just an attention seeking super privileged, dollar greedy elite by marriage....and who wants their children influenced by a known liar, manipulator and hypocrite? Some do, apparently.

[jet]

Same for the side of the family that opposses them simply because they didn't want to suffer in an institution of gaslighting and mental abuse.



Her version of events have been disproved in court documents. Keep up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

....and here is some more 'gossip' for you. According to Lady Colin Campbell an impeccable source has reported to her that Harry is privately 'in turmoil' because the blinkers are falling from his eyes.
If true, too bad Harry, you made your bed....

Trump predicted this the other night

it will of course end in divorce and im sure

i would never be so unkind as to suggest that has always been part of the plan....

:skull:

[Beso]

It will end in divorce when she has served her purpose of keeping Andrew out the news.

She will live comfortably for ever after, as will andrew, Harry's favourite uncle.

[rusticgal]

The sad part is that I am sure Harry would just love his family to meet his daughter….Meghan has created this rift in the family and she won’t be setting foot in the UK again because of the backlash…so Unless Harry brings them here alone then it’s not going to happen. No wonder he is in turmoil…he really didn’t think it through did he?
It can go one of two ways….he will either continue to bear a grudge with his family or he will start to resent Meghan for it…:shrug:

[bots]

i think we put too much of the blame on meghan. My own belief is that they fed each others paranoia and re-enforced their "truth" between them until they actually believed it was fact

[Toy Soldier]

The sad part is that I am sure Harry would just love his family to meet his daughter….Meghan has created this rift in the family :


Load of misogynistic nonsense as usual, even if you do think they (as a couple) are in the wrong. Poor wee Harry led astray by a woman. It’s just a completely false narrative and to believe it at all, you have to completely ignore Harry’s clear feelings about the firm, AND all of his clear feelings about the British press that were present long before he even met her. Harry’s issues with his family stem from his mothers death, not his wife. That is abundantly obvious and quite understandable.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Until Harry accepts a drunk driver killed his mother and not "the meedjaaar" I fear he cannot move along and will be stuck in this toxic dependant relationship

[thesheriff443]

Meghan won the case but what came out in the appeal was more damaging
Also Harry came out looking equally bad.

Not the type of person’s you could trust

[jet]

Load of misogynistic nonsense as usual, even if you do think they (as a couple) are in the wrong. Poor wee Harry led astray by a woman. It’s just a completely false narrative and to believe it at all, you have to completely ignore Harry’s clear feelings about the firm, AND all of his clear feelings about the British press that were present long before he even met her. Harry’s issues with his family stem from his mothers death, not his wife. That is abundantly obvious and quite understandable.

Harry said himself that he wouldn’t have left the Firm if he hadn’t met Meghan. He may have resented certain press but he didn’t hate them as much as he says he does now when they say he was the one in the Royal family who bantered with them and even drank with them in the pubs before he met Meghan. Listen to some youtube vids of Sun photographer Arthur Edwards; his recollections of Harry’s relationship with the press and snappers may surprise many. Read a bio of him from 8 years ago or so by an author who was allowed access to him on his trips and engagements for 10 months and again, a completely different Harry appears.

Meghan played on his history, his sensitivities and his hot headed temperament to bring out his vulnerabilities. She played on being the poor victim, badly treated just like his poor mother and was a sweet, sensitve, caring soul who just wanted to change the ills of the world. She emulated Diana, his lost mother. All to make sure she got him back to the US with her and away from his family.

Everything points to that being her plan all along, and Harry was happy enough to fall in with it because he was besotted. Dividing and isolating is a typical move by a narcissist which I believe Meghan is.
It has nothing to do with misogyny either, Meghan could just as easily been a man and Harry a woman in this saga.

[rusticgal]

Harry was punching the air when he met Meghan…couldn’t believe his luck. Completely mesmerised by her and has been her lapdog ever since.

[Jordan.]

Harry said himself that he wouldn’t have left the Firm if he hadn’t met Meghan. He may have resented certain press but he didn’t hate them as much as he says he does now when they say he was the one in the Royal family who bantered with them and even drank with them in the pubs before he met Meghan. Listen to some youtube vids of Sun photographer Arthur Edwards; his recollections of Harry’s relationship with the press and snappers may surprise many. Read a bio of him from 8 years ago or so by an author who was allowed access to him on his trips and engagements for 10 months and again, a completely different Harry appears.

Meghan played on his history, his sensitivities and his hot headed temperament to bring out his vulnerabilities. She played on being the poor victim, badly treated just like his poor mother and was a sweet, sensitve, caring soul who just wanted to change the ills of the world. She emulated Diana, his lost mother. All to make sure she got him back to the US with her and away from his family.

Everything points to that being her plan all along, and Harry was happy enough to fall in with it because he was besotted. Dividing and isolating is a typical move by a narcissist which I believe Meghan is.
It has nothing to do with misogyny either, Meghan could just as easily been a man and Harry a woman in this saga.

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[Beso]

Boomers have been adults for a lot longer and they still confuse themselves with the generation that came before, they haven't grown up from being entitled brats.



You are on about people who were sons of fathers, who's fathers were absent, or present. Very brutal words, especially after what they had to endure.


A few years, what felt like a lifetime, in the trenches of Belgium. A man thrust home into the world of a young child and a LOVING wife, after years of MYSERERY, alone but not alone in a foreign field.

The life of a young boomer comes in many guises dezzy, perhaps look at their upbringing, their mental health issues before being so dismissive.


Or just say the usual, **** their mental health issues though eh!!

[Beso]

Until Harry accepts a drunk driver killed his mother and not "the meedjaaar" I fear he cannot move along and will be stuck in this toxic dependant relationship

Let's see how his court case goes.

[jet]

Harry was punching the air when he met Meghan…couldn’t believe his luck. Completely mesmerised by her and has been her lapdog ever since.

Yep, and when Harry met Meghan it could have been more a case of strategic planning on her part than luck...:hee:

Meghan’s long time best friend Misha Nonoo’s husband was a close friend of Harry’s and she was the one thought to set them up on the blind date. Meghan was a member of Soho House and was close to Soho’s consultant Markus Anderson who also knew Harry well. Princess Eugenie frequented Soho House and Meghan befriended her through Markus.

Yet Meghan, who already knew these people who were friends with Harry (one of them for years, in Misha’s husband) and who was in London ‘looking for a famous English guy to date’ (her own words) said in the engagement interview that she didn’t know anything about Harry and didn’t even google him before their blind date but just wanted to know ‘was he kind’.
Well now, the mind does boggle. :think:

[jet]

The Telegraph

Laws could be changed to protect press freedoms following Meghan, Duchess of Sussex's legal victory

Downing Street has hinted at introducing new safeguards to protect the freedom of the press, in the wake of the Duchess of Sussex’s legal victory over the Mail on Sunday.
The Government would “study the implications” of the Court of Appeal decision in the case “carefully”, a spokesman for Boris Johnson announced on Friday...

…..Politicians, lawyers and campaigners raised concerns in the wake of the latest judgment that the courts are interpreting the law in a way that extends privacy rights beyond what was intended by Parliament.
John Whittingdale, the former Tory culture secretary, accused judges of creating far-reaching privacy laws without parliamentary scrutiny, branding it a “matter of great concern”.
Geoffrey Robertson QC, the leading human rights barrister, said earlier this week: “Privacy is now a growth industry. The law has been developed – in fact, created – by judges. But instead of applying a presumption in favour of free speech, they purport to ‘balance’ it with often over-valued reputations of rich and famous litigants.”.....etc