What does the afterlife mean to you ?

[Beso]

I reckon men and women face different things.

As a man, I shall speak for them.

I reckon when you pass away as a man, you are transported into a world as a new born kid.


Also, all the people already living in this world are all your wasted sperm.



So what does the afterlife mean for you.:shrug:

[Glenn.]

There isn’t an afterlife

[Beso]

There isn’t an afterlife

I might be in my afterlife already..you might be my wee wasted sperm..

[glib]

I reckon men and women face different things.

As a man, I shall speak for them.

I reckon when you pass away as a man, you are transported into a world as a new born kid.


Also, all the people already living in this world are all your wasted sperm.



So what does the afterlife mean for you.:shrug:

What about non binary people

[Glenn.]

Parm only believes in males and females

[Beso]

Parm only sees male or female...

[Crimson Dynamo]

there was no beforelife so there is no afterlife

[rusticgal]

There isn’t an afterlife


How do you know that?

[smudgie]

Peace.

[Glenn.]

How do you know that?

Because fairytales aren’t real…

[Toy Soldier]

The same as before birth; an eternity of sweet oblivion.

Although if the universe is indeed limitless in terms of space/time, then I suppose, it'll all loop around again eventually, and always.

[Toy Soldier]

Parm only sees male or female...

To be fair if he only believed in males and females (sex) then that would be a mostly solid position, unless you believe in the nonsensical "ambiguous chromosomal" anti-science but you said above that you don't believe in fairytales.

HOWEVER he did say "men and women" (gender) and so that is a more debatable position if you want to bring the question of non-binary into it.

[bots]

the only version of afterlife i am prepared to consider is reincarnation, which i believe is at least scientifically possible. What that means in reality is that you could be anything, which is quite an exciting prospect

[arista]

Some Trouble People stick around as ghosts
With a Strong feeling against someone.

They are a Problem.

[rusticgal]

Because fairytales aren’t real…


But we are not talking about Fairytales....:hee:

[Niamh.]

I don't believe in an afterlife

[Redway]

Because fairytales aren’t real…

And this is why you people are the worst to engage in these discussions. There’s never any genuine sense of engagement on your part. Anything that doesn’t resonate with your mechanical way of looking at the world is nonsense by default.

[AnnieK]

I would love to believe in an afterlife and that I would see loved ones again. My Grandad always promised he would come back and tell me if there was anything afterwards.....he's been dead since 1993 and I'm still waiting (I did **** myself every night after he died thinking I'd wake up and he'd be sat at the end of my bed :laugh:)

It's unprovable really either way and so I think whatever gives you peace in your final days to believe in is the best way to live

[Cherie]

Oblivion ...sounds great

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would love to believe in an afterlife and that I would see loved ones again. My Grandad always promised he would come back and tell me if there was anything afterwards.....he's been dead since 1993 and I'm still waiting (I did **** myself every night after he died thinking I'd wake up and he'd be sat at the end of my bed :laugh:)

It's unprovable really either way and so I think whatever gives you peace in your final days to believe in is the best way to live

Its not a 50:50 split

There is a mountain of scientific evidence to say no and absolutely NONE to say its a possibility

as usual plenty say yes i believe it

and the number of people who can actually say how it would actually work is


0

[Cherie]

I would love to believe in an afterlife and that I would see loved ones again. My Grandad always promised he would come back and tell me if there was anything afterwards.....he's been dead since 1993 and I'm still waiting (I did **** myself every night after he died thinking I'd wake up and he'd be sat at the end of my bed :laugh:)

It's unprovable really either way and so I think whatever gives you peace in your final days to believe in is the best way to live

Good post Annie

I think it’s like going under anaesthetic ...blackness

[Niamh.]

Good post Annie



I think it’s like going under anaesthetic ...blacknessIt's like how it was before we were born probably

[Crimson Dynamo]

everyone on this forum coped ok with not being alive for 13.4 billion years so i am confident that they will cope with being dead for a few more billion years

youve got it tibb

:thumbs:

[Niamh.]

Oblivion ...sounds greatIt does, like a nice long snooze [emoji42]

[Legrand]

Just nothingness forever

[rusticgal]

Well I have a few stories to tell of sightings, happenings that are unexplained that makes me believe in something...:shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well I have a few stories to tell of sightings, happenings that are unexplained that makes me believe in something...:shrug:

people always do but they never stand up to any scrutiny

that is why science exists so that things can be analysed and evidenced using peer-reviewed scientific evidence that has been honed through years and years of experimental research


it kind of trumps "well when I was staying at my auntie's a saw this shadow at the end of my bed"

:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Stephen Hawking:

""I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There
is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid
of the dark," he added."

[MTVN]

Its not a 50:50 split

There is a mountain of scientific evidence to say no and absolutely NONE to say its a possibility

as usual plenty say yes i believe it

and the number of people who can actually say how it would actually work is


0

There is zero evidence to say no

[Crimson Dynamo]

There is zero evidence to say no

there is no need to provide any

just like there is no need to provide evidence that the universe exists on the back of a very large turtle

argumentum ad ignorantiam

[bots]

i like to think that we are on some kids computer screen and he has just got the latest pandemic expansion pack

[MTVN]

there is no need to provide any

just like there is no need to provide evidence that the universe exists on the back of a very large turtle

argumentum ad ignorantiam

Sure but that's a different argument to saying there's a mountain of evidence to say no lol

Science can't answer everything and is not infallible

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sure but that's a different argument to saying there's a mountain of evidence to say no lol

Science can't answer everything and is not infallible

what i mean by that is there is a mountain of evidence of what the brain is, how it works, how we think, see, record memories, live, breathe, exist by using organs and blood

and also what happens to that lot when we die

indeed what happens to all things when they die - even things like suns, planets and galaxies

So science can answer the question to what happens to you and your body when you die

Humans can use their brains and imagination to create fiction and that is explained too

[MTVN]

what i mean by that is there is a mountain of evidence of what the brain is, how it works, how we think, see, record memories, live, breathe, exist by using organs and blood

and also what happens to that lot when we die

indeed what happens to all things when they die - even things like suns, planets and galaxies

So science can answer the question to what happens to you and your body when you die

Humans can use their brains and imagination to create fiction and that is explained too

Sure but the afterlife is something beyond all that which science can never touch plus every generation of scientists will disprove the previous one in some area or another so its not like they have all the answers even when it comes to things that are in their remit

The last two years of covid should show the limitations of 'following the science'

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sure but the afterlife is something beyond all that which science can never touch plus every generation of scientists will disprove the previous one in some area or another so its not like they have all the answers even when it comes to things that are in their remit

The last two years of covid should show the limitations of 'following the science'

no they dont they show the limitations of modeling worse case scenarios and then scaring politicians that they will get the blame if they come true -

the science created the vaccine and thank the fictitious god for that

[Glenn.]

And this is why you people are the worst to engage in these discussions. There’s never any genuine sense of engagement on your part. Anything that doesn’t resonate with your mechanical way of looking at the world is nonsense by default.

https://i.imgur.com/jKcpCRw.png

[Beso]

Look at LT trying his hardest to convince everyone hes not one of my wasted sperm.


Dont be afraid LT, your surrounded by family.

[Alf]

No way of finding out, I'll see when I get there. May as well see the rest of this life out first.

[Livia]

Stephen Hawking:

""I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There
is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid
of the dark," he added."



“Energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be changed from one form to another.” Albert Einstein.

Energy. It's what makes you LT and me Livia. What happens to it when we die? Einstein says energy cannot be created or destroyed, so what happens to it?

I don't have the answer to this. But then, no one has the answer when we consider whether or not there is an afterlife, there is only anecdotal evidence and personal belief. I believe we continue after we abandon the "old computer" which is our body. Incidentally, I've had lots and lots of computers and transferred the data from one to another so I'm not sure the computer analogy is a good one. Whether or not we are reborn or whether we go somewhere else... I have no answers. What I personally believe though, is this: the people you love never really leave you. You can call this a fairy story, but I can assure you I am not afraid of the dark. I truly believe we go on, but I have no more proof than those who believe that, "when you're dead, you're dead".

[Toy Soldier]

“Energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be changed from one form to another.” Albert Einstein.

Energy. It's what makes you LT and me Livia. What happens to it when we die? Einstein says energy cannot be created or destroyed, so what happens to it?

If you're buried it's worm food if you're cremated it's kindling.

My pondering is stuck on a central point when it comes to the idea that we can meaningfully exist as anything resembling the same "person" after the death of our physical body; we know (for a fact) that brain injury (trauma, tumors) or chemicals (drugs) can completely change a personality (temperament etc.), remove memories, or both... and what are we as a person if not a combination of our personality and our memories? And if something as simple as a head injury can fundamentally alter those things... hothw can it make sense that anything resembling "the person" can exist when the physical body is completely gone. Even if "some form of energy" remains, a "soul" I suppose you could call it, such a huge part of who a person is is bound to the physical structure of their brain, the balance of hormones from one moment to the next that it couldn't possibly be a "personality" resembling the human being that once existed. And if that entity is nothing like them as they were as a person then is it "them" at all?

I guess in short, traumatic brain injury, strokes, personality-altering drugs, lobotomy... these things make me strongly doubt that there is a "fundamental self" that's separate to our physical bodies. Those things wouldn't be able to change that. But they do.

[Kazanne]

I believe there is something more, I dont see the point in us learning all our knowledge for nothing,plus too many miraculous things happen for it to just be coincidental, we are passing this way and will die in our present form but we will be here again imo.

[Kazanne]

No way of finding out, I'll see when I get there. May as well see the rest of this life out first.

Its better to believe in God Alf and find out there isnt one than to not to believe and find there IS one :wavey::joker::joker: So be good !!

[Livia]

If you're buried it's worm food if you're cremated it's kindling.

My pondering is stuck on a central point when it comes to the idea that we can meaningfully exist as anything resembling the same "person" after the death of our physical body; we know (for a fact) that brain injury (trauma, tumors) or chemicals (drugs) can completely change a personality (temperament etc.), remove memories, or both... and what are we as a person if not a combination of our personality and our memories? And if something as simple as a head injury can fundamentally alter those things... hothw can it make sense that anything resembling "the person" can exist when the physical body is completely gone. Even if "some form of energy" remains, a "soul" I suppose you could call it, such a huge part of who a person is is bound to the physical structure of their brain, the balance of hormones from one moment to the next that it couldn't possibly be a "personality" resembling the human being that once existed. And if that entity is nothing like them as they were as a person then is it "them" at all?

I guess in short, traumatic brain injury, strokes, personality-altering drugs, lobotomy... these things make me strongly doubt that there is a "fundamental self" that's separate to our physical bodies. Those things wouldn't be able to change that. But they do.

All of that is just your opinion though, isn't it. I mean, even people who've spent a lifetime studying the human brain don't know what large parts of it do, or how large parts of it work, and why. And brain injuries, strokes etc are surely hardware problems, not software problems.

Anyhoo, I'm quite sure in my belief as you are in yours. Neither of us have the evidence to give each other even a glimmer of enlightenment on this.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Listen to Neil talk about subjective and objective truth

1.40 onwards

y5qEBC7ZzVQ

[Livia]

Listen to Neil talk about subjective and objective truth

1.40 onwards

y5qEBC7ZzVQ

Again, it's opinion because even he, with his great intelligence, can only guess.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Again, it's opinion because even he, with his great intelligence, can only guess.

scientific fact is not opinion



If you get your head chopped off by a samurai sword you will be dead

fact

that aint no opinion

when you all off a ladder you hit the ground hard

Gravity isnt an opinion

[Beso]

I think I nailed it in the op.

[Crimson Dynamo]

only 4 days till afterlife 3

:amazed:

[bots]

If you're buried it's worm food if you're cremated it's kindling.

My pondering is stuck on a central point when it comes to the idea that we can meaningfully exist as anything resembling the same "person" after the death of our physical body; we know (for a fact) that brain injury (trauma, tumors) or chemicals (drugs) can completely change a personality (temperament etc.), remove memories, or both... and what are we as a person if not a combination of our personality and our memories? And if something as simple as a head injury can fundamentally alter those things... hothw can it make sense that anything resembling "the person" can exist when the physical body is completely gone. Even if "some form of energy" remains, a "soul" I suppose you could call it, such a huge part of who a person is is bound to the physical structure of their brain, the balance of hormones from one moment to the next that it couldn't possibly be a "personality" resembling the human being that once existed. And if that entity is nothing like them as they were as a person then is it "them" at all?

I guess in short, traumatic brain injury, strokes, personality-altering drugs, lobotomy... these things make me strongly doubt that there is a "fundamental self" that's separate to our physical bodies. Those things wouldn't be able to change that. But they do.

I would have thought dna was the basic building block that makes a person who they are. Sure in another life you would have different stimuli leading you down different paths, but if you were formed from the same dna, it would be "you". It basically depends where you draw the line

[Crimson Dynamo]

the only real afterlife is the children you leave behind

I often wonder what aspects of say my great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather's personality was instilled in me?

[Beso]

Well I have a few stories to tell of sightings, happenings that are unexplained that makes me believe in something...:shrug:

Let's hear one then....:wavey:

:crazy:
:joker::hee:

[Beso]

I would have thought dna was the basic building block that makes a person who they are. Sure in another life you would have different stimuli leading you down different paths, but if you were formed from the same dna, it would be "you". It basically depends where you draw the line

Talking of DNA, :smug:

[Beso]

the only real afterlife is the children you leave behind

I often wonder what aspects of say my great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather's personality was instilled in me?

The fashion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The fashion.

:joker:

:oh:

[Beso]

If you could spend a week after dying doing one of these 2 things..which one would you pick..


A. Being a fly on the wall for a week somewhere in the future.

B. Being a fly on the wall for a week somewhere in the past.

[Cherie]

the only real afterlife is the children you leave behind

I often wonder what aspects of say my great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather's personality was instilled in me?

His eye for a bargain :laugh:

[bots]

the only real afterlife is the children you leave behind

I often wonder what aspects of say my great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather's personality was instilled in me?

he was that guy always talking about the weather :laugh:

[Beso]

he was that guy always talking about the weather :laugh:

Telling everyone its to warm for the candles.:joker:

[Redway]

To answer the title question: it means a lot to me. A hell of a lot.

[Livia]

scientific fact is not opinion



If you get your head chopped off by a samurai sword you will be dead

fact

that aint no opinion

when you all off a ladder you hit the ground hard

Gravity isnt an opinion

DeGrasse Tyson does not have all the answers. Being a scientist doesn't give you any more insight.

I don't know why it's so important to people who don't believe in any kind of afterlife to try and convince others. With no disrespect to you, LT, it is the same people who don't understand faith and refuse to entertain others' beliefs in God.

[Livia]

I would have thought dna was the basic building block that makes a person who they are. Sure in another life you would have different stimuli leading you down different paths, but if you were formed from the same dna, it would be "you". It basically depends where you draw the line

You would have thought... But you don't know.

[Crimson Dynamo]

DeGrasse Tyson does not have all the answers. Being a scientist doesn't give you any more insight.

I don't know why it's so important to people who don't believe in any kind of afterlife to try and convince others. With no disrespect to you, LT, it is the same people who don't understand faith and refuse to entertain others' beliefs in God.
As long as religion is kept away from education and politics people can believe what they like

[Livia]

As long as religion is kept away from education and politics people can believe what they like

I agree, although without some religious involvement in the State, Christmas and Easter wouldn't be the bank holidays that they are, of course. And we'd all miss them, whatever you believe in.

[Redway]

DeGrasse Tyson does not have all the answers. Being a scientist doesn't give you any more insight.

I don't know why it's so important to people who don't believe in any kind of afterlife to try and convince others. With no disrespect to you, LT, it is the same people who don't understand faith and refuse to entertain others' beliefs in God.

Agreed on all points.

[Redway]

Mainstream science held at one point that blacks were inferior savages. Was that acceptable and correct just because science had something to say about it, LT?

[Redway]

As long as religion is kept away from education and politics people can believe what they like

But that’s neither here nor there as far as this thread’s concerned. Like Livia said it’s always the same people imposing their robotic beliefs onto other people’s personal belief systems. Who the hell brought up politics and education in this thread besides you?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Mainstream science held at one point that blacks were inferior savages. Was that acceptable and correct just because science had something to say about it, LT?

and through peer review, facts, criticism, learning, analysis and change they moved on

allow me to remind you of the last part of your Bible book...

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If
anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in
this book.

And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take
away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are
described in this book."
:skull"

control, control, control
backward, backward, backward

[Glenn.]

It’s a fairytale we tell ourselves to make us feel better about dying. Simple as really.

[Redway]

It’s a fairytale we tell ourselves to make us feel better about dying. Simple as really.

That’s coming from a purely contemporary British lens. I don’t think you have the cultural seasoning to understand the afterlife in a deeper sense because it doesn’t tally up with your experiences but that approach doesn’t hold space for other people’s experiences.

“Vindaloo, jollof rice and chow mein are crap because I’m used to mushy peas and fried cod alone and anything that doesn’t resonate with my barely-salted tastebuds might as well not exist.”

Said anecdote applies here. If you had more Jewish, black and Asian friends (or people with more psychedelic/spiritual edge wherever they’re from) your experiences would be very different.

“Simple as really.”

[Redway]

Your lay British chap is the most spiritually unseasoned and empty person in the world. It’s fun watching said folk justify their robotic disinterest in spiritual matters with science (science that can’t even invent time travel or unveil all the intricate wonders of the solar system in its fullest just yet).

[Redway]

and through peer review, facts, criticism, learning, analysis and change they moved on

allow me to remind you of the last part of your Bible book...

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If
anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in
this book.

And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take
away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are
described in this book."
:skull"

control, control, control
backward, backward, backward

And what exactly has organised religion got to do with the afterlife?

[rusticgal]

Let's hear one then....:wavey:

:crazy:
:joker::hee:


Ok…my mum passed away nearly two years ago. A few weeks after her funeral I went to bed and as I laid in bed i willed her to give me a sign that she was there. As I shut my eyes and started to doze the light in the en-suite suddenly went on. Thinking it was my husband I ignored it…then realised he was lying next to me. I checked the en-suite out…opening the door I thought I might have found a spider or big moth that may have triggered the touch sensitive light…but nothing.
A week later I noticed a very chunky mirror in my bedroom had been lifted off of the fixings resting on my linen basket…it’s very heavy. Nobody in my house had moved it…unexplainable.
I have more….but I will be here all night :laugh:

[Toy Soldier]

I think it's fair enough to say that "we don't really know much about anything for sure". That I can get on board with. However, it's the "In a universe of infinite possibility, with no evidence nor any real reasoning, I believe that *I* (and those who believe as I do) happen to have stumbled upon the correct answer".

The likelihood of anything that anyone believes even resembling any sort of obective truth is infinitesimally small.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ok…my mum passed away nearly two years ago. A few weeks after her funeral I went to bed and as I laid in bed i willed her to give me a sign that she was there. As I shut my eyes and started to doze the light in the en-suite suddenly went on. Thinking it was my husband I ignored it…then realised he was lying next to me. I checked the en-suite out…opening the door I thought I might have found a spider or big moth that may have triggered the touch sensitive light…but nothing.
A week later I noticed a very chunky mirror in my bedroom had been lifted off of the fixings resting on my linen basket…it’s very heavy. Nobody in my house had moved it…unexplainable.
I have more….but I will be here all night :laugh:

Anecdotes and science are not comparable in any way shape or form. Hence why anecdotes don't and have never progressed humanity one millimetre.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And what exactly has organised religion got to do with the afterlife?

They invented it to exert control


Just saying

:whistle:

[Beso]

Ok…my mum passed away nearly two years ago. A few weeks after her funeral I went to bed and as I laid in bed i willed her to give me a sign that she was there. As I shut my eyes and started to doze the light in the en-suite suddenly went on. Thinking it was my husband I ignored it…then realised he was lying next to me. I checked the en-suite out…opening the door I thought I might have found a spider or big moth that may have triggered the touch sensitive light…but nothing.
A week later I noticed a very chunky mirror in my bedroom had been lifted off of the fixings resting on my linen basket…it’s very heavy. Nobody in my house had moved it…unexplainable.
I have more….but I will be here all night :laugh:



That sounds like proof to me..:kiss:

[rusticgal]

That sounds like proof to me..:kiss:


My brother who was so anti in his belief of ‘ghosts’ also had a strange experience when he redecorated his old house in Devon…he felt someone was watching him and turned to see an image of an old lady watching him…his description of her down to her clothing described the woman who lived and died there before he bought the house….strange noises were heard by his 7 year old son characteristic of a ‘presence’…
My friend when she sold her old house had a child looking out of the window captured in the picture taken by the Estate agent…
My other friend recently let out her recently departed brothers house to that friends daughter, boyfriend and 2 year old son. The 2 year old has been heard on 3 occasions ‘talking’ to someone in his room and his mother asked him who he was talking to and he just pointed to the corner of his room and said “him”….:hehe:

[Glenn.]

That’s coming from a purely contemporary British lens. I don’t think you have the cultural seasoning to understand the afterlife in a deeper sense because it doesn’t tally up with your experiences but that approach doesn’t hold space for other people’s experiences.

“Vindaloo, jollof rice and chow mein are crap because I’m used to mushy peas and fried cod alone and anything that doesn’t resonate with my barely-salted tastebuds might as well not exist.”

Said anecdote applies here. If you had more Jewish, black and Asian friends (or people with more psychedelic/spiritual edge wherever they’re from) your experiences would be very different.

“Simple as really.”


Carry on talking to the man in sky Redway he will listen to your magical stories.

[Glenn.]

I wasn’t going to go down that route but you seem to be as ignorant to my beliefs as I am to yours. Let’s just agree to disagree

[Redway]

Carry on talking to the man in sky Redway he will listen to your magical stories.

You’re from a completely different world so it’s whatever at this point. Not really arsed. Just know that your robotic approach doesn’t wash with half of the world.

[Glenn.]

You’re from a completely different world so it’s whatever at this point. Not really arsed. Just know that your robotic approach doesn’t wash with half of the world.

Right back at ya :thumbs:

[Redway]

Thank God for the likes of Livia still. It’s nice to see a few like-minded people popping about in a sea full of dogmatic robots.

[Glenn.]

Imagine pushing religion in 2022

[Jordan.]

I believe in the afterlife, I'm not like other girls.

[Redway]

Imagine pushing religion in 2022

Imagine being dismissive of people’s individual beliefs (some of which are deeply rooted in seasoned culture) in 2022.

Agents of white male supremacy are the funniest still. And I’m nearly three-quarters white myself. I’m only a little mixed as far as my direct gene pool goes but that drop of seasoning I have is enough to know that culture, spirituality and corresponding beliefs in the afterlife are deeply intertwined in a way that’s deserving of nothing other than respect. As a pure chips-and-mushy-peas dude you have no idea of the rich cultural life that half the world is privy to (and that even the West was until fairly recently).

[Glenn.]

Imagine being dismissive of people’s individual beliefs (some of which are deeply rooted in seasoned culture) in 2022.

Agents of white male supremacy are the funniest still. And I’m nearly three-quarters white myself. I’m only a little mixed as far as my direct gene pool goes but that drop of seasoning I have is enough to know that culture, spirituality and corresponding beliefs in the afterlife are deeply intertwined in a way that’s deserving of nothing other than respect. As a pure chips-and-mushy-peas dude you have no idea of the rich cultural life that half the world is privy to (and that even the West was until fairly recently).

But you’re being as equally dismissive of peoples views…

[Redway]

Not really. You started forcing the “it’s all a fairytale” narrative before anyone else did. People citing their personal beliefs in the afterlife were cool up until that point, which is why no-one on our side dismissed anything.

If you can’t take it back then don’t dish it out.

“Simple as really.”

[Redway]

I think the dismissively spiritually-unseasoned would be better off eating mushy peas and cracking on. Leave this discussion for people who can have a neutral two-way exchange in a culturally-respectful way.

[rusticgal]

I think the dismissively spiritually-unseasoned would be better off eating mushy peas and cracking on. Leave this discussion for people who can have a neutral two-way exchange in a culturally-respectful way.


:clap2:

[Niamh.]

Ok…my mum passed away nearly two years ago. A few weeks after her funeral I went to bed and as I laid in bed i willed her to give me a sign that she was there. As I shut my eyes and started to doze the light in the en-suite suddenly went on. Thinking it was my husband I ignored it…then realised he was lying next to me. I checked the en-suite out…opening the door I thought I might have found a spider or big moth that may have triggered the touch sensitive light…but nothing.
A week later I noticed a very chunky mirror in my bedroom had been lifted off of the fixings resting on my linen basket…it’s very heavy. Nobody in my house had moved it…unexplainable.
I have more….but I will be here all night :laugh:

Why would a ghost of a loved one not be more clear though, if it is them giving you a sign why not write Hi Rustic in a steamy mirror or something, why turning on a light or moving a mirror?

[rusticgal]

Why would a ghost of a loved one not be more clear though, if it is them giving you a sign why not write Hi Rustic in a steamy mirror or something, why turning on a light or moving a mirror?


Whats the difference :shrug:....leaving a message on a mirror would personally freak me out... whereas little things happening with no explanation is to me a nicer way of someone showing their presence....
The light going on after I had willed her for a sign...a light fitting we have had for 6 years and never done that before and never since is far too coincidental...maybe it was pure coincidence :shrug:...but other little things have happened since and we all now just say "its Grandma"....its endearing and somewhat comforting.

[Glenn.]

Not really. You started forcing the “it’s all a fairytale” narrative before anyone else did. People citing their personal beliefs in the afterlife were cool up until that point, which is why no-one on our side dismissed anything.

If you can’t take it back then don’t dish it out.

“Simple as really.”

It’s my personal belief that the afterlife is a fairytale we tell ourselves because the truth is obviously too hard for people to accept. There isn’t any pearly gates or a realm we all float about in. There isn’t anything waiting for us.

[Niamh.]

Whats the difference :shrug:....leaving a message on a mirror would personally freak me out... whereas little things happening with no explanation is to me a nicer way of someone showing their presence....
The light going on after I had willed her for a sign...a light fitting we have had for 6 years and never done that before and never since is far too coincidental...maybe it was pure coincidence :shrug:...but other little things have happened since and we all now just say "its Grandma"....its endearing and somewhat comforting.

The difference is one is pretty direct, the other is vague.

Anyway, if it gives you comfort more power to you, it just doesn't make any kind of sense to me

[Crimson Dynamo]

the afterlife was invented by religions

so...

[Jordan.]

Whats the difference :shrug:....leaving a message on a mirror would personally freak me out... whereas little things happening with no explanation is to me a nicer way of someone showing their presence....
The light going on after I had willed her for a sign...a light fitting we have had for 6 years and never done that before and never since is far too coincidental...maybe it was pure coincidence :shrug:...but other little things have happened since and we all now just say "its Grandma"....its endearing and somewhat comforting.

Which leads us to Glenn's point.

[Beso]

I just had premonition that liva, will win the 7.30 at kempton at a lovely 7/1.

Aye.

[Beso]

LT and Glenn.

What would you like the afterlife to be like?

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT and Glenn.

What would you like the afterlife to be like?

Its like asking what carpets would you get in the new wing of Hogwarts

[rusticgal]

Which leads us to Glenn's point.


Not at all….unless you can explain what happened…:hee:

[Beso]

Its like asking what carpets would you get in the new wing of Hogwarts

Exactly, so....

What would you want/like it to be like if you could magical one up?

[Glenn.]

Touch lamps are just incredibly sensitive. They pick up all kinds of signals, phone signals, the signal from a remote control can trigger them. My nan has a touch sensitive lamp that often turns itself on and she comforts herself that it’s my grandad coming to visit.

The mirror clearly fell off the wall and luckily fell onto the linen basket. Luck; not a miracle from beyond the grave.

[rusticgal]

Touch lamps are just incredibly sensitive. They pick up all kinds of signals, phone signals, the signal from a remote control can trigger them. My nan has a touch sensitive lamp that often turns itself on and she comforts herself that it’s my grandad coming to visit.

The mirror clearly fell off the wall and luckily fell onto the linen basket. Luck; not a miracle from beyond the grave.


It didn’t fall off the wall…it would have to be lifted off the fittings as it is extremely heavy…You think you know it all…but you really have no idea…:hee:


We have had the touch sensitive light for years…we don’t have phones or remotes in the bedroom and there were no insects of any kind in the en-suite that could have set it off…so what is your explanation now…

[GoldHeart]

Why would a ghost of a loved one not be more clear though, if it is them giving you a sign why not write Hi Rustic in a steamy mirror or something, why turning on a light or moving a mirror?

There's alot we don't understand, I'm not sure about that either. But then saying that .. I still believe places can be haunted with strange things happening.

And I think sometimes there can be signs from loved ones that have passed ,but i think it's more a case of feeling peace or seeing a rainbow in the sky or seeing a light reflection. I don't know about the other stuff, as those might just be coincidences.

[Glenn.]

It didn’t fall off the wall…it would have to be lifted off the fittings as it is extremely heavy…You think you know it all…but you really have no idea…:hee:


We have had the touch sensitive light for years…we don’t have phones or remotes in the bedroom and there were no insects of any kind in the en-suite that could have set it off…so what is your explanation now…

Touch lamps are notoriously sensitive. I mean I just explained why but you obviously only read what you wanted to.
Mirrors don’t just lift themselves off of walls.

[Beso]

I just had premonition that liva, will win the 7.30 at kempton at a lovely 7/1.

Aye.

Thank you livia, 120 more pounds in the bank.

[GoldHeart]

Touch lamps are notoriously sensitive. I mean I just explained why but you obviously only read what you wanted to.
Mirrors don’t just lift themselves off of walls.

Yeah I remember having a touch lamp and it was annoying just how sensitive it was, nobody would be in the room yet the light would switch itself on .

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think the fact that this is probably the best video evidence we have for the afterlife kind of speaks volumes..

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[rusticgal]

Mirrors don’t just lift themselves off of walls.


Exactly…..so if it wasn’t one of the 4 people that lived in my house how do you explain that???…the mirror is in my bedroom…no one else goes in there apart from me, my husband and two boys.

…and I was not ignoring your comments on touch sensitive lights…it’s never happened before and it hasn’t happened since and there was nothing in my en-suite that could have triggered it as that was my first assumption. It would be an amazing coincidence that it triggered by default a short time after I willed my late mum to give me a sign…don’t you think?

Anyway you clearly don’t believe in that world but you have no explanation for the mirror ending up where it did….:shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Exactly…..so if it wasn’t one of the 4 people that lived in my house how do you explain that???…the mirror is in my bedroom…no one else goes in there apart from me, my husband and two boys.

…and I was not ignoring your comments on touch sensitive lights…it’s never happened before and it hasn’t happened since and there was nothing in my en-suite that could have triggered it as that was my first assumption. It would be an amazing coincidence that it triggered by default a short time after I willed my late mum to give me a sign…don’t you think?

Anyway you clearly don’t believe in that world but you have no explanation for the mirror ending up where it did….:shrug:

well

either all of the scientific knowledge we have gained through painstaking peer-reviewed research in the last 500 years with the best-educated brains on the planet is wrong

or you may have been mistaken

for me i have to come down on the latter

[Beso]

well

either all of the scientific knowledge we have gained through painstaking peer-reviewed research in the last 500 years with the best-educated brains on the planet is wrong

or you may have been mistaken

for me i have to come down on the latter



Scientists have only studied the brain, brains cant talk.

They may puff out a spirit before it stops working, 2ho knows?

Not those scientists, that's for sure.:nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Scientists have only studied the brain, brains cant talk.

They may puff out a spirit before it stops working, 2ho knows?

Not those scientists, that's for sure.:nono:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/85/cb/3185cb06a915b058489870574552ee42.gif

[Beso]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/85/cb/3185cb06a915b058489870574552ee42.gif

Octopus look like brains.:smug:

[UserSince2005]

Me go to heaven and potentially take gods role as leader I think