England World cup squad.

[Alf]

Let's see if we can correctly pick Gareth Southgate's World Cup squad.

Over the next 9 months we can discuss who should be in and who shouldn't.

Obviously things can change in that time. Injuries and player form can change things.

If anyone would like to list all the contenders and outside chances in each position, that would be helpful and appreciated

[Alf]

Goalkeepers

Jordan Pickford
Aaron Ramsdale
Nick Pope
Dean Henderson
Sam Johnstone

I imagine 3 of these will go. 3 is the usual amount of goalkeepers teams take to tournaments.

If you think any other goalkeepers should be on that shortlist then let us know.

[Alf]

Right back

A competitive short list for this position. Usually you'd just likely take two players for this position but because some of them offer versatility and can play in other positions, how many of these should go to the World Cup?

Kyle Walker (possible centre back)
Trent Alexander-Arnold (possible Midfield)
Reece James
Kieran Trippier (possible left back)
Tino Livramento

[Alf]

Left Back


Luke Shaw
Ben Chilwell
Aaron Cresswell
Bukayo Saka (can play many positions)
Tyrick Mitchell

Kieran Trippier is also an option here and depending on fitness Fabian Delph is also an option that brings experience and leadership.

[Alf]

Centre Backs


Harry Maguire
John Stones
Ben White
Fikayo Tomori
Conor Coady
Marc Guehi
Tyrone Mings
Trevoh Chalobah
Michael Keane

[Nicky91]

@Zizu here you go


i guess this is a good place to discuss the possible world cup squad

[Zizu]

Thank you !


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[Nicky91]

current squad for nations league matches against Italy, Germany

GK Nick Pope
GK Aaron Ramsdale
GK Dean Henderson
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DF Kyle Walker
DF John Stones
DF Harry Maguire
DF Eric Dier
DF Kieran Trippier
DF Luke Shaw
DF Trent Alexander-Arnold
DF Ben Chilwell
DF Reece James
DF Conor Coady
DF Fikayo Tomori
DF Marc Guehi
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MF Declan Rice
MF Mason Mount
MF Jordan Henderson
MF Jude Bellingham
MF James Ward-Prowse
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FW Raheem Sterling
FW Harry Kane
FW Jack Grealish
FW Bukayo Saka
FW Phil Foden
FW Tammy Abraham
FW Jarrod Bowen
FW Ivan Toney

[bots]

How are Harry Maguire, Luke Shaw, TAA and Jordan Henderson in that squad :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

How are Harry Maguire, Luke Shaw, TAA and Jordan Henderson in that squad :laugh:

because Southgate does not know what he is doing

[Nicky91]

How are Harry Maguire, Luke Shaw, TAA and Jordan Henderson in that squad :laugh:

because they are your most experienced players

[bots]

because they are your most experienced players

they are not my players :nono:

None of them are in form, and Southgate has always said he will only include in form players, so he is going to get hammered in the media

[Nicky91]

they are not my players :nono:

None of them are in form, and Southgate has always said he will only include in form players, so he is going to get hammered in the media

with your i meant england in general ;)



in form players, yet you select Jarrod Bowen, one currently terribly out of form at West Ham :laugh:

[Swan]

Still can't get in any way excited for Nations League football.

[Nicky91]

Still can't get in any way excited for Nations League football.

nothing better than a bit of competitive world cup prep over friendly games


although friendly games can be interesting too, in terms of experimenting with squad tactics, trying out new players



meanwhile the contrast of England and USA


Gregg Berhalter's squad for the friendlies against Japan, Saudi's


GK Matt Turner (Arsenal)
GK Sean Johnson (New York City FC)
GK Ethan Horvath (Luton Town)
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DF DeAndre Yedlin (Inter Miami FC)
DF Walter Zimmermann (Nashville SC)
DF Aaron Long (New York Red Bulls)
DF Reggie Cannon (Boavista)
DF Sergino Dest (AC Milan)
DF Sam Vines (Antwerp FC)
DF Mark McKenzie (Genk)
DF Erik Palmer-Brown (US Troyes)
DF Joe Scally (Borussia Monchengladbach)
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MF Kellyn Acosta (Los Angeles FC)
MF Weston McKennie (Juventus)
MF Tyler Adams (Leeds United)
MF Luca de la Torre (Celta de Vigo)
MF Johnny Cardoso (Internacional)
MF Malik Tillman (Glasgow Rangers)
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FW Christian Pulisic (Chelsea)
FW Jordan Morris (Seattle Sounders FC)
FW Paul Arriola (FC Dallas)
FW Brendan Aaronson (Leeds United)
FW Josh Sargent (Norwich City)
FW Jesus Ferreira (FC Dallas)
FW Giovanni Reyna (Borussia Dortmund)
FW Ricardo Pepi (FC Groningen)

[bots]

I understand why they have the nations league, it is at least competitive games that mean something rather than simply friendlies, but it all has just become too much, with too many games and it is affecting the domestic season which is the games bread and butter

[Zizu]

I am going with the Arsenal link with Ramsdale quick passes up to Saka , the Liverpool link with TAA and Henderson on the right plus Mings / Foden / Grealish links down the left

Ok I am thinking crazy having everyone playing in their normal position .. oh well

RAMSDALE ( OR PICKFORD )

TAA. WHITE. MINGS. CHILWELL

HENDERSON. BELLINGHAM. FODEN

SAKA. KANE GREALISH


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[bots]

The only certain starter is maguire

[Zizu]

The only certain starter is maguire


Na .. he’s surely done after that disaster class on Monday !?!

He’s not gonna get games unless there is an injury or two to Martinez or Varane


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[Zizu]

I am going with the Arsenal link with Ramsdale quick passes up to Saka , the Liverpool link with TAA and Henderson on the right plus Mings / Foden / Grealish links down the left

Ok I am thinking crazy having everyone playing in their normal position .. oh well

RAMSDALE ( OR PICKFORD )

TAA. WHITE. MINGS. CHILWELL

HENDERSON. BELLINGHAM. FODEN

SAKA. KANE GREALISH


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Ok I am thinking crazy having everyone playing in their normal position .. oh well

RAMSDALE ( OR PICKFORD )

TAA. WHITE. MINGS. CHILWELL

HENDERSON. BELLINGHAM.

MOUNT

SAKA. KANE GREALISH


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[Zizu]

Some sobering stats whilst we recover from the recent maulings

Just heard some stats about Brazil

Only 1 defeat in years and that was against Argentina who are on something like a 45 match unbeaten run ..

Since that one defeat Brazil haven’t lost since .. scoring 43 whilst conceding just 5 goals !

They played Tunisia recently .. Tunisia hadn’t conceded a goal in the previous 7 games but were 4 goals down by halftime .. Brasil eased off in the second half and won 5:1 .


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[bots]

italy were on a long unbeaten run until they weren't :laugh:

[Zizu]

England are some team if they can’t find a starting place for Grealish , Foden , Maddison or TAA ..

The other explanation of course is that Southgate is a complete imbecile


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[Nicky91]

my england squad would be

GK Nick Pope
GK Aaron Ramsdale
GK Tom Heaton
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DF Reece James
DF Luke Shaw
DF John Stones
DF Eric Dier
DF Jarrad Branthwaite
DF Kieran Trippier
DF George Cox
DF Trent Alexander-Arnold
DF Ben Chilwell
DF Kyle Walker
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MF Jude Bellingham
MF Declan Rice
MF Mason Mount
MF Jesse Lingard
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FW Harry Kane
FW Jack Grealish
FW Raheem Sterling
FW Phil Foden
FW Bukayo Saka
FW Jadon Sancho

[Nicky91]

what i've seen from Branthwaite here at PSV, he's a great defender, good header qualities too at corners, free kicks


George Cox, yes controversial name, but i know him pretty well here at Fortuna, and he has proven himself here as a solid left back and consistent starting 11 player, could've made a transfer this summer, but he chose to stay after Flemming already had left


Tom Heaton, controversial yes, but he has some experience and would still make a decent 3rd GK option, i mean look at Pasveer here now for us, 39 yrs old, ex Heracles, PSV, Vitesse now Ajax, and late blossomer as of now into national team as well :D

[Zizu]

my england squad would be

GK Nick Pope
GK Aaron Ramsdale
GK Tom Heaton
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DF Reece James
DF Luke Shaw
DF John Stones
DF Eric Dier
DF Jarrad Branthwaite
DF Kieran Trippier
DF George Cox
DF Trent Alexander-Arnold
DF Ben Chilwell
DF Kyle Walker
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MF Jude Bellingham
MF Declan Rice
MF Mason Mount
MF Jesse Lingard
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FW Harry Kane
FW Jack Grealish
FW Raheem Sterling
FW Phil Foden
FW Bukayo Saka
FW Jadon Sancho


Is that you Gareth ??


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[The Slim Reaper]

Is that you Gareth ??


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Not with Trent in the squad it isn't!

[Nicky91]

i used to like Gareth yes, but not anymore now, his time at england team should be up now, even Germany has renewed their staff, after a long spell of Jogi Low



those who i'd like to bring forward as next possible managers
- Raymond Domenech (he has national team experience with France, think his preferred style of play would harmonize well with England i think
- Stuart Pearce (has coached U21 squad longer time ago, don't know where he works currently but yeah i always liked him as the U21 coach)
- Carlo Ancelotti (big name coach, big name success coach to be more specific, hasn't coached a national team before, england would be a first good national team job for him i think)

[Zizu]

England are one injury to Trippier away from Southgate having to explain why he thinks Luke Ayling is a better player than Trent Alexander-Arnold.


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[Zizu]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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that is NOT a group that can win the world cup

1/4s at best

[Zizu]

that is NOT a group that can win the world cup

1/4s at best


Graham Potter would have a chance ..

Southgate is one dimensional just like Conte at Spurs


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[Zizu]

Yikes !

I just heard about a guy who went to Qatar with his brother and wife last year .. they all got a little drunk and were imprisoned for three days .. the wife was taken off to a women’s prison .

The guys were injected/sedated whilst there were in their cells !!

That’s a scary thought


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[Nicky91]

well no wonder that england are like scared chickens against Iran


Iran can totally kick their smug arses :joker: :joker:

[Nicky91]

No Ben Chilwell to the world cup

hamstring injury in the match vs dinamo zagreb

[Calderyon]

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[Nicky91]

not a too bad squad, but you can always trust Gareth to **** something up :laugh:

Iran has a decent team, very experienced coach

USA has a very talented team, good coach


Wales have Bale, whom just came from being a deciding force in MLS Cup with his late equalizer which got his LAFC into penalty shootouts which they ended up winning, yes he struggled with injuries recently but i find this a case of ''getting back into form at exactly the right moment'' so this is good news for Rob Page, bad news for the england lions i think




who would you guys put in goal, i'd say Ramsdale over Pickford

[Zizu]

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Have to say I’m relieved to see TAA , Maddison and Gallagher in there !!

Disappointed no Toney and amazed he’s risking Wilson .

Also don’t agree with Maguire going !!

I would have preferred Burns , Mings , Tarkowski or even Tomori


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[Zizu]

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[GiRTh]

Rashford? Wilson? :conf:

[Zizu]

Rashford? Wilson? :conf:


Same

Toney should be going


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[Mystic Mock]

Graham Potter would have a chance ..

Southgate is one dimensional just like Conte at Spurs


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Graham Potter is currently struggling with Chelsea.

How the heck do you think he'd do with a team that only a few years ago couldn't even beat Iceland.

Just to clarify I do like Graham Potter, but I honestly don't think that he is ready for the England job.

[Mystic Mock]

Same

Toney should be going


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I think that Toney being under investigation has stopped him being in the squad.

Match fixing in the Sport is taken reasonably seriously.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is this squad anywhere near the 2006 squad?

1 GK Paul Robinson
2 DF Gary Neville
3 DF Ashley Cole
4 MF Steven Gerrard
5 DF Rio Ferdinand
6 DF John Terry
7 MF David Beckham (c)
8 MF Frank Lampard
9 FW Wayne Rooney
10 FW Michael Owen
11 MF Joe Cole
12 DF Sol Campbell
13 GK David James
14 DF Wayne Bridge
15 DF Jamie Carragher
16 MF Owen Hargreaves
17 MF Jermaine Jenas
18 MF Michael Carrick
19 MF Aaron Lennon
20 MF Stewart Downing
21 FW Peter Crouch
22 GK Scott Carson
23 FW Theo Walcott

[Zizu]

Is this squad anywhere near the 2006 squad?

1GKPaul Robinson
2DFGary Neville
3DFAshley Cole
4MFSteven Gerrard
5DFRio Ferdinand
6DFJohn Terry
7MFDavid Beckham (c)
8MFFrank Lampard
9FWWayne Rooney
10FWMichael Owen
11MFJoe Cole
12DFSol Campbell
13GKDavid James
14DFWayne Bridge
15DFJamie Carragher
16MFOwen Hargreaves
17MFJermaine Jenas
18MFMichael Carrick
19MFAaron Lennon
20MFStewart Downing
21FWPeter Crouch
22GKScott Carson
23FWTheo Walcott


How many of todays squad would get into that one ?

Kane maybe ahead of Owen maybe
Ramsey maybe ahead of Robinson


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[bots]

in terms of individual players the squad isn't at a comparable level to previous squads, but if they can perform as a team, that doesn't matter so much.

There is no preparation time so that certainly wont help

[Nicky91]

Is this squad anywhere near the 2006 squad?

1 GK Paul Robinson
2 DF Gary Neville
3 DF Ashley Cole
4 MF Steven Gerrard
5 DF Rio Ferdinand
6 DF John Terry
7 MF David Beckham (c)
8 MF Frank Lampard
9 FW Wayne Rooney
10 FW Michael Owen
11 MF Joe Cole
12 DF Sol Campbell
13 GK David James
14 DF Wayne Bridge
15 DF Jamie Carragher
16 MF Owen Hargreaves
17 MF Jermaine Jenas
18 MF Michael Carrick
19 MF Aaron Lennon
20 MF Stewart Downing
21 FW Peter Crouch
22 GK Scott Carson
23 FW Theo Walcott

you can't compare those squads


that was the generation back then, this is the new generation of talent

[Zizu]

in terms of individual players the squad isn't at a comparable level to previous squads, but if they can perform as a team, that doesn't matter so much.

There is no preparation time so that certainly wont help


But they can’t .. that’s the problem.. Southgate


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[Mystic Mock]

Is this squad anywhere near the 2006 squad?

1 GK Paul Robinson
2 DF Gary Neville
3 DF Ashley Cole
4 MF Steven Gerrard
5 DF Rio Ferdinand
6 DF John Terry
7 MF David Beckham (c)
8 MF Frank Lampard
9 FW Wayne Rooney
10 FW Michael Owen
11 MF Joe Cole
12 DF Sol Campbell
13 GK David James
14 DF Wayne Bridge
15 DF Jamie Carragher
16 MF Owen Hargreaves
17 MF Jermaine Jenas
18 MF Michael Carrick
19 MF Aaron Lennon
20 MF Stewart Downing
21 FW Peter Crouch
22 GK Scott Carson
23 FW Theo Walcott

That team was robbed with Rooney getting sent off, and we still took Ronaldo to penalties.:fist::joker:

[Mystic Mock]

But they can’t .. that’s the problem.. Southgate


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Under Southgate England's reached a semi-final & a final.

That to me is performing really well, after all England isn't good enough with this squad to win any of these tournaments.

[Zizu]

Under Southgate England's reached a semi-final & a final.

That to me is performing really well, after all England isn't good enough with this squad to win any of these tournaments.


We had extremely easy routes to the semi and the final plus we had home advantage


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[Zizu]

Soooooo our main man Kane is extremely fatigued !!

Not only has he not been able to finish games he’s not been able to complete training sessions !?!?

How is that going to improve over the next ten days when they are hoping to have intensive training/coaching sessions !?

Sterling our second scorer has scored just 3 premier league goals and one of them was a flukey deflection


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[Zizu]

Maddison goes off injured !!

Maybe Harvey Barnes would be a good replacement if he can’t go to the WC


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[Zizu]

So Wilson and Sterling protect themselves by claiming “ illness “ today
All this while Maddison was playing his heart out , scoring then getting injured !!

What a load of cobblers

If Chelsea lose to Newcastle today ( with Sterling missing) they will be NINE points behind them !!!

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[Zizu]

Dier was apparently shocking today as was John Stones. Toney could easily have scored 5 today


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Failure Southgate just picks his wee pals

THis world cup wont go well for England

[Zizu]

I’d try

Keeper Ramsdale

RB Trippier , White and Stones , LB Shaw

Rice / Bellingham

Mount

Left Grealish , Kane and Saka on the right


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[Zizu]

Yikes … now we know why Ivan Toney was mysteriously overlooked for injury prone Wilson ( who’s been poorly of late as well )


Toney to face 232 separate illegal betting charges !!

He’s a fabulously wealthy guy ..

Why ???


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[Mystic Mock]

We had extremely easy routes to the semi and the final plus we had home advantage


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There have been plenty of tournaments where the home team did not reach the final.

And fair enough on the World Cup, our route was easier than France's.

[Mystic Mock]

I’d try

Keeper Ramsdale

RB Trippier , White and Stones , LB Shaw

Rice / Bellingham

Mount

Left Grealish , Kane and Saka on the right


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Ramsdale was terrible against Hungary in the Tinpot Nations League.

[Zizu]

Ramsdale was terrible against Hungary in the Tinpot Nations League.

The whole team was hapless against Hungary though


Pickford has been dreadful in the last few Everton games . They’ve lost the last three and he let in 9 goals in the space of 8 days !


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[Mystic Mock]

The whole team was hapless against Hungary though


Pickford has been dreadful in the last few Everton games . They’ve lost the last three and he let in 9 goals in the space of 8 days !


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Tbf his team around him isn't very good at Everton with the exception of a couple of players.

And I personally feel nervous at the fact that Ramsdale couldn't save a single shot that Hungary threw at him.

[Zizu]

Tbf his team around him isn't very good at Everton with the exception of a couple of players.

And I personally feel nervous at the fact that Ramsdale couldn't save a single shot that Hungary threw at him.


Ramsdale is in fabulous form though :)

That Hungary game was a one off - he’s been tremendous all season .


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[Beso]

Hope Gareth southgate plays all the black lads that missed a penalty so they can give back to their country what gareths country has given back to him for his miss.

All the best England, defeat on penalties in the final please, wouldn't mind at all if pickford could manage a way to miss the vital kick.

[Zizu]

Hope Gareth southgate plays all the black lads that missed a penalty so they can give back to their country what gareths country has given back to him for his miss.

All the best England, defeat on penalties in the final please, wouldn't mind at all if pickford could manage a way to miss the vital kick.


I can’t even remember who missed apart from Saka .. who by all rights should be a guaranteed starter on the right after his performances this season


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[rusticgal]

Don’t think we are going to do that well unfortunately…

[Zizu]

Don’t think we are going to do that well unfortunately…


I see us getting three draws at best

Will that be enough to qualify ?


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[Mystic Mock]

Ramsdale is in fabulous form though :)

That Hungary game was a one off - he’s been tremendous all season .


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Fingers crossed that he can carry his form over to England.

[Zizu]

Fingers crossed that he can carry his form over to England.


Sadly he probably won’t even get a game


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[Alf]

England need to do a professional job on USA and get the victory. Cruise into the next round after 2 games and rotate the squad in the Wales game.

We have World Cup history with USA. In 1950 they pulled of the biggest upset ever in a World Cup when they beat us 1-0. That was a bigger upset than the Saudi's beating Argentina.

[Nicky91]

the winning england world cup squad that is these current legends :smug:


its coming home, its coming home, its coming home

[Zizu]

the winning england world cup squad that is these current legends :smug:


its coming home, its coming home, its coming home


I thought you were Dutch for some reason …


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