Erased and soon to be forgotten.

[Alf]

It does make you wonder what these cancellers real motive is?


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[Alf]

In the picture is. The Quaker Oats guy, Uncle Ben, Aunt Jemima. I don't know who the American-Indian one is.

[Cherie]

Didn’t realise the Quaker guy had to go

[Alf]

Didn’t realise the Quaker guy had to goI think that's the point of the meme, he hasn't.

[Cherie]

I think that's the point of the meme, he hasn't.

Oh lol :laugh:

Think Aunt Jemima’s family didn’t want her to go p, but no one cared what they thought

[bots]

so are companies not allowed to re-brand their products now?

Should things always remain the same?

These are commercial companies making commercial decisions on their branding which they are all allowed to do

[Alf]

so are companies not allowed to re-brand their products now?

Should things always remain the same?

These are commercial companies making commercial decisions on their branding which they are all allowed to doBy erasing non-White characters from history.

These brands never needed re-branding. They were already great brands that had lasted the test of time.

[bots]

it's for the companies to decide if they need rebranding, no-one else

[Alf]

it's for the companies to decide if they need rebranding, no-one elseSo then you have to question the motives of these companies. Why would they change something that is selling well by using iconic characters (in the food selling world). Those characters gave those brands an identity that everyone was familiar with and trusted.

[The Slim Reaper]

So then you have to question the motives of these companies. Why would they change something that is selling well by using iconic characters (in the food selling world). Those characters gave those brands an identity that everyone was familiar with and trusted.

In the companies own words

“Over the years, the Quaker Oats Company updated the Aunt Jemima brand image in a manner intended to remove racial stereotypes that dated back to the brand origins, but it had not progressed enough to appropriately reflect the dignity, respect, and warmth that we stand for today,” a Quaker Oats spokesperson explained to Civil Eats. Earlier this year, the company announced that Pearl Milling Company would be the brand’s new name.

For generations, stereotypical imagery of Black and Indigenous people has appeared on food brands. Amid 2020’s “racial reckoning,” Uncle Ben’s, a subsidiary of Mars, Inc., announced that it would modify its name and remove the Black man on its products who was inspired by an African American cook and waiter.

“While never our intent, the picture of the man on the Uncle Ben’s packaging elicits images of servitude for some, and, in the U.S., the word ‘uncle’ was at times a pejorative title for Black men,” Denis Yarotskiy, regional president for Mars Food North America, told Civil Eats. “As a result, we committed to change our name to Ben’s Original and remove the image on our packaging to signal our ambition to create a more inclusive future.”

https://civileats.com/2021/05/25/why-did-it-take-so-long-for-food-companies-to-rebrand-their-racist-products/

[Alf]

Yeah, like I said they've erased the non-White characters from history. Thanks for sharing that which proves me right.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i swear that is James May

[Oliver_W]

In the companies own words



https://civileats.com/2021/05/25/why-did-it-take-so-long-for-food-companies-to-rebrand-their-racist-products/

They were just people smiling, nothing about their iconography implied servitude or slavery :shrug:

[Jordan.]

fictional characters on food packaging #neverforget 🙏

[The Slim Reaper]

fictional characters on food packaging #neverforget 🙏

:laugh:

[Alf]

fictional characters on food packaging #neverforget ��Some fictional characters in life are just sacred.

I wouldn't like it if they did a new seies of Mr Bean and they erased the character played by Rowan Atkinson' out of it.

It just wouldn't be the same.

[The Slim Reaper]

Some fictional characters in life are just sacred.

I wouldn't like it if they did a new seies of Mr Bean and they erased the character played by Rowan Atkinson' out of it.

It just wouldn't be the same.

That's why Connery is still James bond.

[Alf]

When people saw Uncle Ben, it made them happy because they knew that a plate full of rice was on its way.

[Alf]

That's why Connery is still James bond.But James Bond hasn't been erased. My example was that Mr Bean was erased.

[The Slim Reaper]

look at this young man, so upset that there'll be no more plates of white rice for dinner.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BigBeneficialDegus-size_restricted.gif

[Alf]

There's even an Uncle Ben gag in an episode of Only fools and horses. That's how iconic a character he was, God bless him.

[Toy Soldier]

There's even an Uncle Ben gag in an episode of Only fools and horses.

Nigel Farage's favourite.

[Alf]

Nigel Farage's favourite.What is?

[Kizzy]

They were just people smiling, nothing about their iconography implied servitude or slavery :shrug:

So the iconography was in no way comparable to the real lives of actual slaves?

:shocked:

[The Slim Reaper]

The most worrying aspect of this whole thread, is that Alf thinks Mr Bean is good entertainment.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nigel Farage's favourite.

It's genuinely the UK favourite
Are you actually saying you don't like it?

For likes?

Lol😆

[Alf]

The most worrying aspect of this whole thread, is that Alf thinks Mr Bean is good entertainment.I most certainly do.

[glib]

I don’t get it, what is being cancelled and what’s wrong with the photo…?

[Alf]

I don’t get it, what is being cancelled and what’s wrong with the photo…?The non white characters are being erased from history by the racists.

[Toy Soldier]

So when branding is changed, the previous branding is erased from history? That seems a bit dramatic. Like when Joel McIlroy took over as Flynn in Home & Away, was Martin Dingle-Wall erased from history? Simply not possible he was a legend.

Think about that next time you say something so silly.

[Alf]

So when branding is changed, the previous branding is erased from history? That seems a bit dramatic. Like when Joel McIlroy took over as Flynn in Home & Away, was Martin Dingle-Wall erased from history? Simply not possible he was a legend.

Think about that next time you say something so silly.Are you just posting that because you have to be on the opposite side of the debate to me or are you genuinely arguing in the favour of the racists because
you agree with what they're doing?

Surely you can see there's a pattern emerging here with all these cancellations?

[glib]

So when branding is changed, the previous branding is erased from history? That seems a bit dramatic. Like when Joel McIlroy took over as Flynn in Home & Away, was Martin Dingle-Wall erased from history? Simply not possible he was a legend.

Think about that next time you say something so silly.

Well no one watches Home & Away anyway, these brands are used by everyone

[glib]

Surely you can see there's a pattern emerging here with all these cancellations?

From what I’ve read they got cancelled because the branding had ‘negative stereotypes’.

But these cancellers are ridiculous, usually white female and middle class seeking approval from those less fortunate than them.

Didnt they once try to cancel Kevin the Carrot adverts because it wasn’t ‘representative’ of us as humans??

[Oliver_W]

From what I’ve read they got cancelled because the branding had ‘negative stereotypes’.

But these cancellers are ridiculous, usually white female and middle class seeking approval from those less fortunate than them.

Didnt they once try to cancel Kevin the Carrot adverts because it wasn’t ‘representative’ of us as humans??
Again I don't see any stereotypes, they're just people smiling :joker: though I guess some racists might see a black person and immediately think "slave" ? :shrug:

[Alf]

From what I’ve read they got cancelled because the branding had ‘negative stereotypes’.

But these cancellers are ridiculous, usually white female and middle class seeking approval from those less fortunate than them.

Didnt they once try to cancel Kevin the Carrot adverts because it wasn’t ‘representative’ of us as humans??Negative stereotypes is just the excuse they use to hide the real reason because they know people wouldn't stand for the real reason.

[Toy Soldier]

Didnt they once try to cancel Kevin the Carrot adverts because it wasn’t ‘representative’ of us as humans??

No it was actually because Kevin cornered a piece of broccoli back stage and forced it to look at his dick.

Not many people know that.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'll never look at carrot batons the same way again.

[Alf]

Would anyone like to join my campaign to resurrect Uncle Ben?

Bring our Benny back!

[Livia]

I don't think that's going to happen, Alfie. Too many white people outraged by it... on black people's behalf.

[Toy Soldier]

I'll never look at carrot batons the same way again.

https://i.imgur.com/pnggsFu.png

[Toy Soldier]

Seriously though on the thread topic. Do you care? Like do you actually care? Do you care what's on your rice pack or the label on your sauce jar? Does it ACTUALLY bother you, does it ACTUALLY make you sad that it's being "erased"? I don't buy it. I think it's just that "if it seems woke, it'll annoy some folk". Just as simple as that. You're not boo-hooing about any other branding changes, just the ones that you think have been sparked by something that gets under your skin.

Book a holiday, take a nice bath, stop crying over ****ing cook-in stir fry sauce.

[The Slim Reaper]

I agree TS - and to celebrate, I might go and treat myself to a lovely marathon bar :smug:

[Alf]

Seriously though on the thread topic. Do you care? Like do you actually care? Do you care what's on your rice pack or the label on your sauce jar? Does it ACTUALLY bother you, does it ACTUALLY make you sad that it's being "erased"? I don't buy it. I think it's just that "if it seems woke, it'll annoy some folk". Just as simple as that. You're not boo-hooing about any other branding changes, just the ones that you think have been sparked by something that gets under your skin.

Book a holiday, take a nice bath, stop crying over ****ing cook-in stir fry sauce.That's the question you should be asking the cancellers. Until they made the move, everything was fine.

[Oliver_W]

Seriously though on the thread topic. Do you care? Like do you actually care? Do you care what's on your rice pack or the label on your sauce jar? Does it ACTUALLY bother you, does it ACTUALLY make you sad that it's being "erased"? I don't buy it. I think it's just that "if it seems woke, it'll annoy some folk". Just as simple as that. You're not boo-hooing about any other branding changes, just the ones that you think have been sparked by something that gets under your skin.

Book a holiday, take a nice bath, stop crying over ****ing cook-in stir fry sauce.
I don't actually care, but I do question the motives of people who want to erase non-white faces from the shelves.

[The Slim Reaper]

I don't actually care, but I do question the motives of people who want to erase non-white faces from the shelves.

There are non-white faces across loads of products, it's just outdated images of slave-time mammi's, uncle toms, or minstrels, are a little past their sell by date, as the companies themselves have decided.

[bots]

dont buy the product if it annoys you so much. Nobody is forcing you

[Alf]

I agree TS - and to celebrate, I might go and treat myself to a lovely marathon bar :smug:You're trying but you haven't succeeded yet.

James Bond didn't work for you and Marathon to Snickers isn't going to cut it either. We're talking about erasing non-White characters from existence.

[Livia]

There's a black man on Reggae Reggae Sauce, a black man invented it so... that's okay. So why no black face on peanut butter? It was invented by black scientist George Washington Carver. I don't see why it's offensive to have a black face on a product and I've never heard anyone black complain.

[Alf]

dont buy the product if it annoys you so much. Nobody is forcing youDon't worry about it, I won't be.

[bots]

it's the companies themselves that are making these decisions, and that is always based on their bottom line.

[The Slim Reaper]

Black and half Jewish chef explaining, for those that have never heard a black person complain.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/aunt-jemima-uncle-ben-deserve-retirement-they-re-racist-myths-ncna1231623

[Alf]

it's the companies themselves that are making these decisions, and that is always based on their bottom line.Or they were put under pressure to get rid of the non-White characters by the dirty tactics brigade.

[Kizzy]

I don't think that's going to happen, Alfie. Too many white people outraged by it... on black people's behalf.

Hold up.. if there is a stereotypical image of a Jewish person are you the only person able to take exception to it?
Is is a brand new concept for anyone to want to move away from imagery that may cause offence?

[Oliver_W]

George Washington Carver.

I thought he was the guy who chopped up the old president?

[Kizzy]

If you can't tell the difference between Levi Roots and uncle Ben there's no helping you :laugh:

[Alf]

Everytime I turn a football.or rugby Match on the telly, they're always preaching about highlighting and kicking racism in all it's forms out.

But when you highlight some then people come out in defence of it.

Mad World

[Livia]

I thought he was the guy who chopped up the old president?

Took me a minute, but.... LOL...

[Livia]

Hold up.. if there is a stereotypical image of a Jewish person are you the only person able to take exception to it?
Is is a brand new concept for anyone to want to move away from imagery that may cause offence?

No, but I am the only person likely to take exception to it. The woke, it seems, haven't got around to anti-Semitism yet.

[Kizzy]

I thought he was the guy who chopped up the old president?

Nope he was born a slave but became the first ever African American to achieve a masters it was in agricultural science. Bit more impressive than Mr sun pat...don't you think?

[Livia]

If you can't tell the difference between Levi Roots and uncle Ben there's no helping you :laugh:

I didn't think you were here for discussion, just the usual jibes. You can bore off.

[Kizzy]

No, but I am the only person likely to take exception to it. The woke, it seems, haven't got around to anti-Semitism yet.

I beg to differ.. ousting people from their homes, stealing their land money and propertyforcing them to live in shanty towns. That's antisemitism.

[Cherie]

Aunt Bessie is still going strong :dance:

[Alf]

Aunt Bessie is still going strong :dance:What about Captain Birdseye?

[Kizzy]

You've never heard the phrase reductio ad absurdum? Can't you guess what it means through context clues or similar words?

I'll Google it!! :)

[Oliver_W]

What about Captain Birdseye?

They're both partying on the Mary Celeste with Lord Lucan and Michael Jackson, planning which black person to erase or whitewash next.

[Kizzy]

What about snap, crackle and pop?!
Power to the little people!!

[The Slim Reaper]

They're both partying on the Mary Celeste with Lord Lucan and Michael Jackson, planning which black person to erase or whitewash next.

Let me get this straight - you think that removing these images, is racism done by white people?

Also, you misattributed godwins law yesterday, so maybe fallacies aren't as easy for folks to grasp as you're telling Kizzy.

[Beso]

Joe biden:fc:

[Oliver_W]

Let me get this straight - you think that removing these images, is racism done by white people?


Not in general, just the cabal of Aunt Bessie, Captain Birdseye, Lord Lucan, and Michael Jackson.

[The Slim Reaper]

Not in general, just the cabal of Aunt Bessie, Captain Birdseye, Lord Lucan, and Michael Jackson.

So what does this actually mean?

...planning which black person to erase or whitewash next.