800 Workers to be sacked :P&O Ferries suspends sailings ahead of ‘major announcement’

[arista]

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/p-and-o-ferries-suspends-sailings-ahead-of-major-announcement-41456941.html



People have all been told to get of
the Ferry right now


LBC News

1504378703001927680

[bots]

it's a bit weird to dump all their passengers when they are announcing a strategy for the long term viability of the company

[arista]

it's a bit weird to dump all their passengers when they are announcing a strategy for the long term viability of the company


Yes very wrong.
But I assume some take over or something
or bankrupt?

[arista]

1504391234785325057

[arista]

The Times Paper
has just reported all UK staff to be Sacked.

A Cheaper Foreign work force is ready to Take Over



Just reported on BBC2HD Politics Live.


No Official Announcement yet




P&O is owned by DP World Logistics Dubai

[bots]

i haven't used the ferry since the tunnel opened and this won't persuade me otherwise

[arista]

i haven't used the ferry since the tunnel opened and this won't persuade me otherwise


But to Sack all workers
on the spot?

[bots]

But to Sack all workers
on the spot?

i would boycott them, it's disgusting if true

[arista]

Grant Shapps MP
Transport Sec.

Must now make a Statement.

[arista]

i would boycott them, it's disgusting if true



If it is true
it will go Front Page

No Warning
in the start of a trading day
how Evil

[arista]

Kizzy
they must be using outside UK laws/

[Cherie]

Think they are based in Dubai, this is disgusting, they should be boycotted

[bots]

P&O Ferries has paused its services "in preparation for a company announcement" later on Thursday.

The ferry operator said it was not going into liquidation but all ferries had been instructed to stay in port.

Union RMT urged the firm to protect jobs amid speculation that hundreds of crewmembers could "be sacked and replaced with foreign labour".

As a result some sailings scheduled for today have been cancelled, with passengers told to use other companies.

P&O services scheduled today include 14 between Dover and Calais, three between Liverpool and Dublin and seven between Larne in County Antrim and Cairnryan in Dumfries and Galloway.

The union said it has instructed members to stay on board their vessels once they have docked or risk being "locked out" of their jobs.

"We are digging in for the long-haul. We are determined to fight," RMT spokesperson Geoff Martin said.

A seafaring P&O employee told the BBC his colleagues onboard have refused to disembark and are instead "in their cabins refusing to work".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60779001

[arista]

Think they are based in Dubai, this is disgusting, they should be boycotted


Yes,
P&O is owned by DP World Logistics Dubai



Because of Covid
they are in debt
and have to Sack all worker right now

[arista]

[The union said it has instructed members to stay
on board their vessels once they have docked
or risk being "locked out" of their jobs.]


Yes the Union trying hard to stop
the Fast Sackings.


But the Dubai based company
does not want to go under
so get sacked

[arista]

[DP World is a company owned by
the government of Dubai in the United Arab Emirates,
via a holding company.
This holding company is under the
direct control of the Ruler of Dubai,
Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum,
who is also Vice President and Prime Minister of the UAE.]

[Kizzy]

Kizzy
they must be using outside UK laws/

I haven't read up on this as yet, on nights last night. Is it a bankruptcy issue? If these people are contracted staff surely they can't be sacked?

Very fishy :/

[Kizzy]

[DP World is a company owned by
the government of Dubai in the United Arab Emirates,
via a holding company.
This holding company is under the
direct control of the Ruler of Dubai,
Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum,
who is also Vice President and Prime Minister of the UAE.]


Ah right.... so does this have something to do with Boris and his oil negotiations?

*gut instinct

[arista]

Ah right.... so does this have something to do with Boris and his oil negotiations?

*gut instinct



No, Johnson is not aware of this.

[arista]

[How many employees does DP World have?
Our dedicated, diverse and professional team
of more than 56,000 employees from
140 nationalities are committed to
delivering unrivalled value to
our customers and partners]

From Google search

[arista]

[What DP World stands for?
Image result for DP World Logistics
It specialises in cargo logistics,
port terminal operations,
maritime services and free trade zones.
Formed in 2005 by the merger of Dubai Ports Authority
and Dubai Ports International,
DP World handles 70 million containers
that are brought in by around
70,000 vessels annually ]

[arista]

I haven't read up on this as yet, on nights last night. Is it a bankruptcy issue? If these people are contracted staff surely they can't be sacked?

Very fishy :/



They must give up their jobs
to save the company.


Much cheaper, no union needed,
workers are ready to take over

[arista]

['A betrayal': Fears of mass redundancies
as P&O Ferries cancels all sailings
All ships have been asked to discharge their
passengers and cargo and "standby for further instructions",
but one union has told its members to stay onboard.]


https://news.sky.com/story/p-o-ferries-suspends-all-sailings-ahead-of-major-announcement-12568327

[arista]

This is the Transport Secretary
to deal with.



Grant
get moving man

[bots]

i think people in the uk or much more likely to boycott a company that behaves like this now than they would have been previously.

[arista]

800 now to be SACKED :


100 MILLION LOSS PER YEAR



2019 DP World bought it




The announcement



SkyNewsHD Live

[Kizzy]

They must give up their jobs
to save the company.


Much cheaper, no union needed,
workers are ready to take over


Dodgy AF.
I don't believe for one second he didn't know. It may be a Brexit thing. A way of getting things in from other countries without necessary checks?

[arista]

Dodgy AF.
I don't believe for one second he didn't know. It may be a Brexit thing. A way of getting things in from other countries without necessary checks?


No it was Covid


DP WORLD DUBIA
bought P&O in 2019

then China's Covid hit the World

[arista]

800 to be sacked

[arista]

P&O Ferries makes 800 staff immediately redundant
and cancels all sailings amid £100m loss

https://news.sky.com/story/p-o-ferries-suspends-all-sailings-ahead-of-major-announcement-12568327

[arista]

[The company said these staff will be served
with severance packages, calling it a "necessary decision".

It said the business is "not viable" in its current state.]

OK Kizzy
there is no other way

[MTVN]

Surely you can't make people redundant immediately, what about the consultation process

[bots]

they are obviously in a union so yes, i think what they are doing is illegal

[arista]

Surely you can't make people redundant immediately, what about the consultation process


Look you have just lost another £100million pounds
We are lucky they are still trading


Result 800 Sacked but
[The company said these staff will be served
with severance packages, calling it a "necessary decision".]

[arista]

they are obviously in a union so yes, i think what they are doing is illegal


If you put it like that
the Company will go under....

[bots]

If you put it like that
the Company will go under....

their parent company have a legal obligation

[MTVN]

Look you have just lost another £100million pounds
We are lucky they are still trading


Result 800 Sacked but
[The company said these staff will be served
with severance packages, calling it a "necessary decision".]

Maybe they should fire the bosses then for mismanagement

[arista]

their parent company have a legal obligation


NO



DP WORLD



would Dump it.

[arista]

Maybe they should fire the bosses then for mismanagement



Yes some can go.

[arista]

10:30AM On a Screen DP World

Within a minute they got a message
they are to be sacked.


Transport Secretary is trying to talk
to the CEO.



Bus loads of cheaper workers are waiting.


BBC South

[AnnieK]

If you have been employed on a contract there has to be a 30 day consultation period. They may place these staff on garden leave but if the company has not gone into administration they have to pay the staff for 30 days and offer a package in line with at least statutory redundancy pay

[bots]

NO



DP WORLD



would Dump it.

they still have a legal obligation

[MTVN]

DP World have a turnover of 8.5 billion a year

[arista]

they still have a legal obligation

You are aware
they covered 2 years of, £100million loses


It maybe far better for them, to Flog the lot

Cheaper staff taking over
is the only way to keep them trading



It is not viable as a Company - right now

100% China's Covid -19 has caused all this

[michael21]

No, Johnson is not aware of this.

What is he aware off :fist::fist::fist:

[Kizzy]

10:30AM On a Screen DP World

Within a minute they got a message
they are to be sacked.


Transport Secretary is trying to talk
to the CEO.



Bus loads of cheaper workers are waiting.


BBC South
How much cheaper can they be?.. we do have laws around exploitation here..

[arista]

DP World have a turnover of 8.5 billion a year


That money goes into other companies they run.

For over 2 years they have picked up the £100million debts
of P&O


P&O were hit by Covid -19

[arista]

How much cheaper can they be?.. we do have laws around exploitation here..


Much Cheaper
as they travel abroad alot.




Kizzy do not get P&O Closed Down

[Kizzy]

This is the Transport Secretary
to deal with.



Grant
get moving man
He is as bent as they come... there's no way he will intervene here.

[arista]

He is as bent as they come... there's no way he will intervene here.



He has to go Live,
he can not hide


DPworld has loaned P&O money to still trade

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/12/55472011-0-image-m-9_1647518762724.jpg

[Kizzy]

Much Cheaper
as they travel abroad alot.




Kizzy do not get P&O Closed Down

They have responsibility to their staff as well as customers...how will changing 800 staff members for ones paid a little less keep a company as big and integral to post Brexit trade afloat? (Pun intended )

It's concerning to me that the company may fall 100% into the hands if the UAE as a major part of our trade infrastructure.

[arista]

They have responsibility to their staff as well as customers...how will changing 800 staff members for ones paid a little less keep a company as big and integral to post Brexit trade afloat? (Pun intended )

It's concerning to me that the company may fall 100% into the hands if the UAE as a major part of our trade infrastructure.


Since 2019
they are already under DP world Logistics


But Covid-19 from China arrived
and destroyed their customers

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/14/55476171-10622893-image-a-104_1647525829422.jpg
[P&O workers who have just been sacked leaving
the Port of Dover with bags containing large white envelope]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/11/55471855-10622893-image-m-67_1647518366312.jpg
Non-Union, Cheaper workers waiting in buses.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/14/55476137-10622893-image-a-103_1647525792050.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/12/55473259-10622893-image-a-84_1647521190209.jpg
Not Brexit.
This is Dover today being held up by Stubborn Union staff
[transporting both passengers and freight.]


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/11/55471709-10622893-image-a-61_1647518004300.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10622893/P-O-Ferries-suspends-sailings-ahead-major-announcement.html

[arista]

Fire and Re Hire

May return
SkyNews Political reporter Joe Pike.

5PM Statement in Parliament



So go back to Work
less holiday
less pay

But still a job.


Life In The City

[The Slim Reaper]

Attacks on workers rights were always imminent.
If you work for an employer, joining a union has never been more important.

[arista]

Attacks on workers rights were always imminent.
If you work for an employer, joining a union has never been more important.


But if the company is going bankrupt
accept Fire and Re Hire
to keep your job

[bots]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/12/55473259-10622893-image-a-84_1647521190209.jpg
Not Brexit.
This is Dover today being held up by Stubborn Union staff
[transporting both passengers and freight.]



they are not being held up by stubborn union staff, because the company said it wasnt going to run any ferries for the next few days

The reason for the queues is entirely due to P&O

[arista]

[The reason for the queues is entirely due to P&O]


Yes they need to fire 800 staff
to keep trading.

[rusticgal]

Many big companies are outsourcing their workers from abroad to save money. My former Company got away with Fire and re-hire during Covid....
This is a despicable way to treat loyal staff....shame on P&O.

[arista]

Many big companies are outsourcing their workers from abroad to save money. My former Company got away with Fire and re-hire during Covid....
This is a despicable way to treat loyal staff....shame on P&O.


Yes Poxy China
and their Covid-19

[The Slim Reaper]

But if the company is going bankrupt
accept Fire and Re Hire
to keep your job

This is only the start, not the end, so whatever is given away by workers today, will be the starting point for the next crisis, and as always, it is the folks at the bottom/middle that will pay the highest price. Unions help to protect against that, which is why there are constant attacks against unions.

[arista]

This is only the start, not the end, so whatever is given away by workers today, will be the starting point for the next crisis, and as always, it is the folks at the bottom/middle that will pay the highest price. Unions help to protect against that, which is why there are constant attacks against unions.



In this Massive Debt of P&O,
Unions can not help them



Some Workers that have walked off the boat
will return for a new job
with less pay
and fewer holidays.

[arista]

[To help force its staff to disembark,
P&O 'illegally' hired 16 balaclava-clad and
handcuff-trained officers from a private security firm,
with the company telling them the job would
last a week and be paid at £14.50 an hour.]


It may take 2 days.


1504472812928471043

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/15/55477887-10622893-P_O_workers_who_have_just_been_sacked_leaving_the_ Port_of_Dover_-m-58_1647529536071.jpg
[P&O workers who have just been sacked
are pictured leaving the Port of Dover
with their personal belongings and bags
containing large white envelopes]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/13/55475385-10622893-image-a-101_1647524584389.jpg
[Workers are seen carrying luggage on board
the P&O Ferry Spirit of Britain at the Port of Dover in Kent.
Agency staff have been sent in to replace existing crews]

[The Slim Reaper]

In this Massive Debt of P&O,
Unions can not help them



Some Workers that have walked off the boat
will return for a new job
with less pay
and fewer holidays.

Unions are the only groups not only able to help these workers, but willing and determined to do so.

You're worried about protecting the wrong people.

[arista]

Unions are the only groups not only able to help these workers, but willing and determined to do so.

You're worried about protecting the wrong people.


It is out of the Union's hand.


By sacking the 800
that can get back on trading

[rusticgal]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/13/55475385-10622893-image-a-101_1647524584389.jpg
[Workers are seen carrying luggage on board
the P&O Ferry Spirit of Britain at the Port of Dover in Kent.
Agency staff have been sent in to replace existing crews]

Unbelievable...

[AnnieK]

Arista you seem to be less concerned about 800 people basically having to accept less money at a time that the cost of living is rising exponentially and disagreeing with Unions who are trying to help them than you are that a mulitple million pound business could be possibly pushing more people in this country into poverty.

[arista]

Arista you seem to be less concerned about 800 people basically having to accept less money at a time that the cost of living is rising exponentially and disagreeing with Unions who are trying to help them than you are that a mulitple million pound business could be possibly pushing more people in this country into poverty.


No I agree it is tragic
P&O has big debts
DP World in Dubai
have loaned them, the final amount to keep P&O trading.

[arista]

Unbelievable...



It is the only way they can keep it going




a £100million loss is a mega hit, each year
China's Covid-19 has destroyed their jobs

[arista]

SkyNewsHD Live


Hull
P&O have sorted out an agreement.
Goes to Nicky's Netherlands


A few days for fast training, for new cheaper staff.

[Cherie]

Imagine having the listen to that video message telling you that you are being made redundant with immediate effect

[arista]

Imagine having the listen to that video message telling you that you are being made redundant with immediate effect


It is the Future.

[AnnieK]

Imagine having the listen to that video message telling you that you are being made redundant with immediate effect

I was once called to a meeting in Birmingham when I worked for a media company. The Directors were telling us how they had sold the company and saved everyone's jobs, they were saying how great it was to be back on the payroll and basically making us all pat them on the back.

I was back in the office the next day and got a call to say - oh by the way we are making all the Manchester office redundant. I spent the next 4 weeks dealing with baliffs etc turning up and taking all the office equipment. It was a fun time :laugh: I just let them in - made them brews and let them take what they wanted.

[Cherie]

I was once called to a meeting in Birmingham when I worked for a media company. The Directors were telling us how they had sold the company and saved everyone's jobs, they were saying how great it was to be back on the payroll and basically making us all pat them on the back.

I was back in the office the next day and got a call to say - oh by the way we are making all the Manchester office redundant. I spent the next 4 weeks dealing with baliffs etc turning up and taking all the office equipment. It was a fun time :laugh: I just let them in - made them brews and let them take what they wanted.

Its so grim

I just heard that some of the new staff have been put up in hotels on half pay until there were enough of them in situ to make today happen

[arista]

Live in Parliament
Minister is speaking

[Vanessa]

800 people sacked, just like that. Grim

[arista]

800 people sacked, just like that. Grim


Yes, but they can go Bankrupt
if they do not change staff.


Massive debts on P&O Ferries

They had no choice
get cheaper staff or close down

[arista]

A Transport Minister (Robert Courts MP)
stated in Parliament, he is Angry with P&O.



But not doing much.

[arista]

A Labour MP
just said, it is like the Victorian Times
when workers are forced off a boat.

That special debate in Parliament
has now ended

[UserSince2005]

Good, its a business not a charity.

[rusticgal]

Yes, but they can go Bankrupt
if they do not change staff.


Massive debts on P&O Ferries

They had no choice
get cheaper staff or close down


Thats all very well....but you dont treat your staff like that.

[Vanessa]

Thats all very well....but you dont treat your staff like that.

I agree, it's not right.

[arista]

Thats all very well....but you dont treat your staff like that.


They could not give warnings
due to the Unions.

[bots]

hvCPR8HqDAc

[arista]

Yes a mega shock for many.


Covid has wrecked the World.

[arista]

British Airways
also did Fire and Re Hire.
Most kept their jobs

[Cherie]

All the officers have been redeployed, its the Ratings that have been made redundant

There will be winners of course, those close to retirement may welcome this

Feel for all the rest

[rusticgal]

British Airways
also did Fire and Re Hire.
Most kept their jobs

On lower money….the longer serving staff were forced to sign new contracts and some were simply made redundant.

[arista]

Ian Dale
on LBC Live

Said the Government should Nationalize P&O Ferries

[MTVN]

Redundancy is a fact of life and sometimes has to be done but there's ways to do things

I thought unions legally had to be involved in proceedings as well, this totally flies in the face of everything I thought I knew about the process lol

[arista]

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[arista]

Simon Calder
on GMBHD itv
has found out they are registered
with a Firm in Jersey.

Which means, they are Not under UK Employment Rules

[bots]

Simon Calder
on GMBHD itv
has found out they are registered
with a Firm in Jersey.

Which means, they are Not under UK Employment Rules

misinformation

They are employed in the UK and members of a union, so they are under uk rules, doesn't matter where the company is registered

[arista]

misinformation

They are employed in the UK and members of a union, so they are under uk rules, doesn't matter where the company is registered


Its Legal people
told him that

[bots]

Its Legal people
told him that

i know employment law arista, you obviously don't.

Anyway, provided they offer a severance package that equals or exceeds that specified by UK EMPLOYMENT LAW it is all irrelevant

[arista]

Times have changed



The National Min Wage
does not apply
in international routes, around $3 an hour

Karl Turner Labour MP Live on GMBHD itv

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/16/55473901-10622893-P_O_Ferries_is_run_by_a_Dubai_based_firm_which_is_ owned_by_the_c-a-86_1647535812875.jpg
[P&O Ferries is run by a Dubai-based firm
which is owned by the country's controversial
ruling family.
Pictured: DP World CEO Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem]


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/17/16/55477009-10622893-Sulayem_seen_with_Prince_William_and_former_Foreig n_Secretary_Wi-a-87_1647535812933.jpg
[Sulayem seen with Prince William
and former Foreign Secretary William Hague
at an Earthshot Prize event at
Dubai's Expo2020 earlier this year]

[Vanessa]

Apparently it's only British workers who have been sacked. The EU ones have not, because they're protected by EU laws. So much for Brexit making things better :skull:

[The Slim Reaper]

Apparently it's only British workers who have been sacked. The EU ones have not, because they're protected by EU laws. So much for Brexit making things better :skull:

I think you'll find that's project fear, Vanessa.

[MTVN]

Holly Cudbill, an employment lawyer from Blake Morgan, said that P&O Ferries' actions "were almost certainly illegal".

Although its boats sail around the world, she believes the firm's employees are covered by UK law.

In that instance, P&O Ferries should have consulted with unions and staff about potential dismissals and notified the government that hundreds of jobs were at risk, she told the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60789612

[arista]

"she believes the firm's employees"


But it is wrong
$3 a hour out at Sea

Does she know about that

[bots]

she believes the firm's employees


But it is wrong
$3 a hour out at Sea

Does she know about that

arista, you obviously don't know uk employment law, so stop with the misinformation when you dont know what you are talking about

[arista]

arista, you obviously don't know uk employment law, so stop with the misinformation when you dont know what you are talking about


That came from Labour MP Karl Turner

Not me,


He is not on about UK law
he's talking about International Waters

Stop being silly

[bots]

That came from Labour MP Karl Turner

Not me,

but you are repeating stuff without knowing if what they are saying is accurate, and thats wrong

[arista]

but you are repeating stuff without knowing if what they are saying is accurate, and thats wrong


He is a MP who was a sea Minister



I trust this MP
more than you

[bots]

Apparently it's only British workers who have been sacked. The EU ones have not, because they're protected by EU laws. So much for Brexit making things better :skull:

even when we were in the EU, we had different employment laws to other countries in europe. So, brexit didnt change that

[The Slim Reaper]

even when we were in the EU, we had different employment laws to other countries in europe. So, brexit didnt change that

The new financial reality of importing and exporting to the UK and brexit red tape may well have caused it. There's a reason that French and Dutch workers remain employed.

[Vanessa]

Holly Cudbill, an employment lawyer from Blake Morgan, said that P&O Ferries' actions "were almost certainly illegal".

Although its boats sail around the world, she believes the firm's employees are covered by UK law.

In that instance, P&O Ferries should have consulted with unions and staff about potential dismissals and notified the government that hundreds of jobs were at risk, she told the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60789612

I think it's definitely illegal and they can be sued

[bots]

I think it's definitely illegal and they can be sued

much of it is procedural, so that will get a slap on the wrist and nothing more. If P&O offer the statutory minimum or better severance package they have complied, people won't get their jobs back under any circumstances

[user104658]

Holly Cudbill, an employment lawyer from Blake Morgan, said that P&O Ferries' actions "were almost certainly illegal".

Although its boats sail around the world, she believes the firm's employees are covered by UK law.

In that instance, P&O Ferries should have consulted with unions and staff about potential dismissals and notified the government that hundreds of jobs were at risk, she told the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60789612

As I understand it this is the case. If a multinational company employs someone, that contract is covered by the employment law of the country that person pays income tax in. UK employees will be covered by UK employment law... I think most likely there has been a large breach here.

[bots]

As I understand it this is the case. If a multinational company employs someone, that contract is covered by the employment law of the country that person pays income tax in. UK employees will be covered by UK employment law... I think most likely there has been a large breach here.

that is correct, but the things they appear not to have complied with ... consultation with unions, and letting the government know they were dumping that number of staff have been breached loads of times previously with no consequence, so i don't see it being different this time

[user104658]

that is correct, but the things they appear not to have complied with ... consultation with unions, and letting the government know they were dumping that number of staff have been breached loads of times previously with no consequence, so i don't see it being different this time

True there are always loopholes. My lovely previous employer had a blanket policy of taking disciplinary action against staff who attempted to unionise or join an existing union - which is totally illegal, but in the 10 years I worked there that policy never changed.

[Cherie]

that is correct, but the things they appear not to have complied with ... consultation with unions, and letting the government know they were dumping that number of staff have been breached loads of times previously with no consequence, so i don't see it being different this time

They have allowed companies to fire and rehire, like BG and BA but I believe they rehired the same people but on less lucrative contracts, not saying that is any better but this is a mile away from that where people have just been made redundant where ordinarily they would have been offered alternative jobs if they were available within the company

Also are all the Officers EU staff then as they have been kept on? that is a general question not just to you BOTs

[bots]

They have allowed companies to fire and rehire, like BG and BA but I believe they rehired the same people but on less lucrative contracts, not saying that is any better but this is a mile away from that where people have just been made redundant where ordinarily they would have been offered alternative jobs if they were available within the company

Also are all the Officers EU staff then as they have been kept on? that is a general question not just to you BOTs

in my day, you didn't make people redundant, you made the role redundant. If a company rehired someone to the same role (within 6 months?) then that was illegal. That must have changed

[arista]

Alan Johnson (Former Home Secretary for Labour)
has pointed out if you sack more than 100 workers
you need to alert the Minister 45 days before.

He was speaking on Ch4HD PM Live

[Vanessa]

At my workplace most people have left the unions.
But I'm still on it. You never know, one day you might need it.

[The Slim Reaper]

At my workplace most people have left the unions.
But I'm still on it. You never know, one day you might need it.

Stay in the union, Vanessa. Workers rights are on the table, so you need all the protection you can get. You've made a good choice.

[arista]

Stay in the union, Vanessa. Workers rights are on the table, so you need all the protection you can get. You've made a good choice.



Of course Slim
but Unions can not stop a company from
closing down forever

[The Slim Reaper]

Of course Slim
but Unions can not stop a company from
closing down forever

So unless unions can stop absolutely everything, then what are you saying?

[Kizzy]

Well what a surprise...

Sources at the DfT said it was made aware of the impending mass sackings and suspension of ferry services on Wednesday night.

Boris Johnson’s official spokesperson had said on Thursday: “We weren’t given any notice to this.”

He confirmed on Friday that senior officials at the DfT had first been informed about the firm’s plan on Wednesday evening but had kept the information within a small group, because of concerns about commercial sensitivity.

The spokesperson said ministers were investigating whether P&O Ferries broke the law, describing the firm’s behaviour as “extreme”.

“We expect companies to treat their employees fairly. It is only in extreme circumstances that employers need to make extreme decisions to secure the future of their businesses if all other avenues have failed, including negotiations between employer and employees.

“We don’t believe this was the case for P&O staff,” he said, adding: “We are looking into this very carefully



https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/mar/18/mass-sacking-by-p-and-o-ferries-a-new-low-for-shipping-says-union

[Kizzy]

At my workplace most people have left the unions.
But I'm still on it. You never know, one day you might need it.

Very wise Vanessa.

[Vanessa]

Well what a surprise...

Sources at the DfT said it was made aware of the impending mass sackings and suspension of ferry services on Wednesday night.

Boris Johnson’s official spokesperson had said on Thursday: “We weren’t given any notice to this.”

He confirmed on Friday that senior officials at the DfT had first been informed about the firm’s plan on Wednesday evening but had kept the information within a small group, because of concerns about commercial sensitivity.

The spokesperson said ministers were investigating whether P&O Ferries broke the law, describing the firm’s behaviour as “extreme”.

“We expect companies to treat their employees fairly. It is only in extreme circumstances that employers need to make extreme decisions to secure the future of their businesses if all other avenues have failed, including negotiations between employer and employees.

“We don’t believe this was the case for P&O staff,” he said, adding: “We are looking into this very carefully



https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/mar/18/mass-sacking-by-p-and-o-ferries-a-new-low-for-shipping-says-union
It's a horrible way to treat your staff. And very bad for their image.
They could have done something similar to British Airways. But this just seems wrong.

[Vanessa]

Stay in the union, Vanessa. Workers rights are on the table, so you need all the protection you can get. You've made a good choice.

My company is good to the employees, but you never know what can happen in the future.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOH24pHX0BE24b_?format=jpg&name=900x900

[bots]

the freight business will likely be unaffected going forward, but their passenger numbers will go down a lot. Even if they halved the pay of the new workers, thats still by their calculation a 50 million annual loss. Lets see if its still in business 12 months down the road

[arista]

So unless unions can stop absolutely everything, then what are you saying?



In this Case
they made sure the Union were not warned
as it would slow the change over, up.



As soon as they were told to get everyone off
and themselves
the Unions yesterday,
had a feeling something like
this was going to happen.


What will the Conservatives do
Fine them?


One Union Leader
has asked the Government to takeover control of all the boats
and on Monday,
Labour will also vote the same.


Of course, it is not likely
the Government would be that bold.

[arista]

Grant Shapps has said his phone
is full of calls from Blue Chip firms who want to take
these workers on.

Speaking in Blackpool
to GBnewsHD

[bots]

i support the unions taking a stand because workers rights have been hammered for decades. If that means taking p&o to court ... go for it

[Vanessa]

Grant Shapps has said his phone
is full of calls from Blue Chip firms who want to take
these workers on.

Speaking in Blackpool
to GBnewsHD

That's good. I hope they all find work

[Vanessa]

i support the unions taking a stand because workers rights have been hammered for decades. If that means taking p&o to court ... go for it

They need to be sued.. You don't treat your workers that way

[The Slim Reaper]

In this Case
they made sure the Union were not warned
as it would slow the change over, up.



As soon as they were told to get everyone off
and themselves
the Unions yesterday,
had a feeling something like
this was going to happen.


What will the Conservatives do
Fine them?


One Union Leader
has asked the Government to takeover control of all the boats
and on Monday,
Labour will also vote the same.


Of course, it is not likely
the Government would be that bold.

I'm old enough to remember an election when a pro-workers rights, pro-nationalisation candidate was smeared as a dangerous communist. Now it requires boldness? :laugh:


Right side of history. Again.

[arista]

[P&O Ferries: New Eastern European crew paid '£2-an-hour'
on board 'don't have clearance to sail' after agency
employing them was set up just one MONTH ago by Swiss boss]
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/18/16/55522819-10627951-image-a-2_1647620214571.jpg
[The new agency staff who will be manning
P&O Ferries' ships are an 'Eastern European' crew
who have been offered '£2.60-an-hour' wages
in a move union bosses have slammed
as being a 21st century recreation of 'slave ships'.
Pictured: Workers are seen aboard the Spirit of Britain in Dover, Kent]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10627951/Eastern-European-replacement-crew-aboard-P-O-Ferries-paid-just-2-hour.html

[user104658]

So who had "slave ships" on their dystopian apocalypse bingo?

[Zizu]

Sooooo if P&O are losing £1 million per day how on Earth does sacking 800 people then replacing them with cheaper workers going to help matters ??

Even if each new worker accepts £50 per day less ( unlikely) that only saves £40,000 per day .. especially if they are going to have to shell out thousands in severance payments


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[bots]

Sooooo if P&O are losing £1 million per day how on Earth does sacking 800 people then replacing them with cheaper workers going to help matters ??

Even if each new worker accepts £50 per day less ( unlikely) that only saves £40,000 per day .. especially if they are going to have to shell out thousands in severance payments


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i said exactly the same earlier and the public will use other alternatives now if they can, so their income will go down, and they have to pay to make all these redundancies. I give them a year before they stop trading

[Vanessa]

i said exactly the same earlier and the public will use other alternatives now if they can, so their income will go down, and they have to pay to make all these redundancies. I give them a year before they stop trading

They have behaved appallingly. I will never use thwei services.

[The Slim Reaper]

So who had "slave ships" on their dystopian apocalypse bingo?

Tories reading this thread, then getting to your "good news" post about slave ships.

https://c.tenor.com/rjuaqwfF2VUAAAAM/not-mad-anymore-not-sad-anymore.gif

Shout out to legend killer for the gif

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/18/13/55515863-10626489-image-a-20_1647610949382.jpg

[glib]

But if you don’t operate in a single country, are you legally entitled to one country’s legal min wage

Also don’t they receive accomodation and food for working on board these ferries? Don’t see what they’ll spend any money on

[The Slim Reaper]

1504892897736511488

[glib]

Sooooo if P&O are losing £1 million per day how on Earth does sacking 800 people then replacing them with cheaper workers going to help matters ??

Even if each new worker accepts £50 per day less ( unlikely) that only saves £40,000 per day .. especially if they are going to have to shell out thousands in severance payments


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Saves them £120k a day

[glib]

Well what a surprise...

Sources at the DfT said it was made aware of the impending mass sackings and suspension of ferry services on Wednesday night.

Boris Johnson’s official spokesperson had said on Thursday: “We weren’t given any notice to this.”

He confirmed on Friday that senior officials at the DfT had first been informed about the firm’s plan on Wednesday evening but had kept the information within a small group, because of concerns about commercial sensitivity.

The spokesperson said ministers were investigating whether P&O Ferries broke the law, describing the firm’s behaviour as “extreme”.

“We expect companies to treat their employees fairly. It is only in extreme circumstances that employers need to make extreme decisions to secure the future of their businesses if all other avenues have failed, including negotiations between employer and employees.

“We don’t believe this was the case for P&O staff,” he said, adding: “We are looking into this very carefully



https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/mar/18/mass-sacking-by-p-and-o-ferries-a-new-low-for-shipping-says-union

Well Kizzy if you didn’t know Boris doesn’t work in the Department for Transport anymore

[Crimson Dynamo]

are Ferries viable in today's market?

apart from say in Scotland to serve Islands?

[Beso]

Maybe we need their fleet of ships for something else.

[user104658]

apart from say in Scotland to serve Islands?

Those aren't viable either, they're 1) already subsidised, 2) ancient and 3) constantly having maintenance issues.

Source: My sister lives on an island.

[Zizu]

Saves them £120k a day


How !?

They can’t be saving £150 a day per person surely !!

How much are they flaming well earning per day !!?


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[glib]

How !?

They can’t be saving £150 a day per person surely !!

How much are they flaming well earning per day !!?


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You have calculated someone on £2 an hour will save the company £40k a day

Assuming all the 800 got sacked were earning a min of £8 an hour

Thats x4 = £160k - 40k = £120k

[Kizzy]

So who had "slave ships" on their dystopian apocalypse bingo?

Erm I said Brexit was a way to rid the UK of workers rights in 2016 does that count?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Erm I said Brexit was a way to rid the UK of workers rights in 2016 does that count?

no because it was an incorrect politically biased blanket statement that was made not to inform but to inflame based on tribal politics

it was a highly inflated claim that was made as a jibe

not as an actual forecast

[Kizzy]

Well Kizzy if you didn’t know Boris doesn’t work in the Department for Transport anymore

Who said he did?... the Dft knew that's bad enough.

[Kizzy]

no because it was an incorrect politically biased blanket statement that was made not to inform but to inflame based on tribal politics

it was a highly inflated claim that was made as a jibe

not as an actual forecast

It was an accurate prediction on the direction of post Brexit policy under a conservative government.

Not made as anything other than a suggestion based on my personal observations on what may and may not be affected if a yes vote was the outcome of the referendum.

It was not influenced by or expressed by any Labour MP at the time. Your accusations are groundless.

[user104658]

no because it was an incorrect politically biased blanket statement that was made not to inform but to inflame based on tribal politics

it was a highly inflated claim that was made as a jibe

not as an actual forecast

I mean... the whole topic of this thread suggests that it was not an inflated claim at all... :think:

[bots]

I mean... the whole topic of this thread suggests that it was not an inflated claim at all... :think:

employment law was never the same throughout europe. I worked for a dutch based company at one time and when they reduced staff, the majority of staff went from the uk because it was almost imposible to dump staff in holland or france. Brexit hasn't helped because rights can deviate even further now, but employers have always been favoured in the uk over employees

[arista]

https://livecenterimagesnorth.azureedge.net/lc-images-2021/lcimg-81678efd-f81e-41a7-95ee-b77e629622c0.jpg?bypass-service-worker&

[arista]

Conservatives are looking into
Legal action, slowly.

I am sure P&O were aware of the Fines,
but still went ahead Swapping Proper Paid workers
for £2:60 an hour, crew.

Also
DP world Logistics Dubai (they own P&O Ferries)
has contracts on some of
the new UK Free Ports
The Conservatives are locked in to that.




Sign Of The Times

[Cherie]

How !?

They can’t be saving £150 a day per person surely !!

How much are they flaming well earning per day !!?


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Its not just the pay..they will no longer be responsible for paying pension contributions, holiday and sick pay or any other contracted rights like maternity/paternity

[Vanessa]

Conservatives are looking into
Legal action, slowly.

I am sure P&O were aware of the Fines,
but still went ahead Swapping Proper Paid workers
for £2:60 an hour, crew.

Also
DP world Logistics Dubai (they own P&O Ferries)
has contracts on some of
the new UK Free Ports
The Conservatives are locked in to that.




Sign Of The Times
Disgraceful!

[Vanessa]

Its not just the pay..they will no longer be responsible for paying pension contributions, holiday and sick pay or any other contracted rights like maternity/paternity

Surely this is against the law?:shocked:

[arista]

Disgraceful!


Yes Contract to Free trade Ports
are already on going

DP World Logistics, Dubai
have power of their Government.

[Zizu]

Its not just the pay..they will no longer be responsible for paying pension contributions, holiday and sick pay or any other contracted rights like maternity/paternity


What about their replacements. ?


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[Zizu]

Conservatives are looking into
Legal action, slowly.

I am sure P&O were aware of the Fines,
but still went ahead Swapping Proper Paid workers
for £2:60 an hour, crew.

Also
DP world Logistics Dubai (they own P&O Ferries)
has contracts on some of
the new UK Free Ports
The Conservatives are locked in to that.




Sign Of The Times


Well if we ( the government) have pumped billions into P&O over the Covid period then they must be made to either reinstate all the workers plus compensate them all as well ! Alternatively seize control of all the company assets


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[glib]

Surely this is against the law?:shocked:

Well so is their £2 wage but if they’re not working on the mainland are the laws applicable

[bots]

Well if we ( the government) have pumped billions into P&O over the Covid period then they must be made to either reinstate all the workers plus compensate them all as well ! Alternatively seize control of all the company assets


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BA did exactly the same with no consequence

[Zizu]

BA did exactly the same with no consequence


That’s simply disgraceful


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[arista]

BA did exactly the same with no consequence



British Airways is still trading.
That's something in this China Covid time

[The Slim Reaper]

1505118478398894088

[arista]

Yes Slim
she voted against the Labour Bill.

She did that for Photos

[Cherie]

What about their replacements. ?


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They are agency staff...not directly employed by P&0

[arista]

They are agency staff...not directly employed by P&0



Happy to take a Lower Wage
as it is a job

[Zizu]

Can’t see agency staff being as experienced or reliable tbh

There has to be the potential for terrible accidents or even disaster if you have inexperienced people running a damn ferry !!



What are these people thinking


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[Vanessa]

Can’t see agency staff being as experienced or reliable tbh

There has to be the potential for terrible accidents or even disaster if you have inexperienced people running a damn ferry !!



What are these people thinking


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Exactly. It doesn't seem safe to me?

[Zizu]

Exactly. It doesn't seem safe to me?


I would actively avoid using P&O in the future just on safety issues tbh


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[Vanessa]

I cant imagine working and not having holidays, a pension scheme or a decent wage.
This is modern day slavery!

[Zizu]

The authorities should simply not give them clearance to sail until they right their wrong

Seems simple enough


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[arista]

[P&O Ferries resumes limited service after
800 staff sacked - amid calls for firm to lose its licences
P&O Ferries sparked a furious backlash after 800
crew members were told this week they were
being let go with immediate effect and being
replaced with agency workers.]


[A Hull man recruited via an agency advert on
Facebook has shared pictures with Sky News
of security staff hired to escort him onto
the European Highlander at Cairnryan in Scotland
Mark Canet-Baldwin said he and more than a dozen
others were not told what ship they would be
working on and met the security workers
in a supermarket car park.]

https://news.sky.com/story/p-o-ferries-resumes-limited-service-after-800-staff-sacked-amid-calls-for-firm-to-lose-its-licences-12570625

[AnnieK]

I don't understand how any agency can pay under minimum wage to agency staff? I employ temps and we absolutely have to pay minimum wage, holiday pay and offer a pension scheme...its illegal for us not to.

[arista]

I don't understand how any agency can pay under minimum wage to agency staff? I employ temps and we absolutely have to pay minimum wage, holiday pay and offer a pension scheme...its illegal for us not to.


It is to do with International Waters
not under UK rules.


A Legal Lawyer has stated this.


Annie you can employ temps
but you are not on a Ship in the Big Sea

[arista]

Exactly. It doesn't seem safe to me?


They are getting trained right now
before they set off

[Cherie]

I don't understand how any agency can pay under minimum wage to agency staff? I employ temps and we absolutely have to pay minimum wage, holiday pay and offer a pension scheme...its illegal for us not to.

I heard on a phone in yesterday that a Brtish guy employed on P&0 cruises was paid 4 times more than his Filipino counterparts due to them having to comply with different countries laws on international waters

[arista]

I heard on a phone in yesterday that a Brtish guy employed on P&0 cruises was paid 4 times more than his Filipino counterparts due to them having to comply with different countries laws on international waters



Yes that's in the Papers
reviewed on GBnewsHD

[arista]

P&O
could end up as Freight Lorrys only

[Alf]

Is it just Dover?

What about the P&O ferries that sail out of Hull? The Hull to Rotterdham and Hull to Zeebrugge. Are those staff on the chopping block?

[Cherie]

Is it just Dover?

What about the P&O ferries that sail out of Hull? The Hull to Rotterdham and Hull to Zeebrugge. Are those staff on the chopping block?

Its all routes, Hull included

[Alf]

Its all routes, Hull includedThe bastards.

[arista]

Is it just Dover?

What about the P&O ferries that sail out of Hull? The Hull to Rotterdham and Hull to Zeebrugge. Are those staff on the chopping block?



No it is all the Ports
even Scotland to Northern Ireland.


The Hull Captain stayed on his boat
he knew what was going to happen.


Some Boats are now nearly ready to go.
With some new £2:60 an hour fast trained staff

[Alf]

£2.60 ph. Isn't that against the law? That's bordering on full on slavery.

[Cherie]

£2.60 ph. Isn't that against the law? That's bordering on full on slavery.

It’s against UK law yes hence why they have been replaced by workers where it isn’t the law

[arista]

£2.60 ph. Isn't that against the law? That's bordering on full on slavery.


Of Course in the UK it would be illegal


But as Cherie
pointed out, International Waters
are not under UK laws



Alf
they are happy to be in a new job
even though it is £2:60 an hour

[bots]

the bottom line is would you trust slaves with your family's safety on board a ship? I wouldnt. I remember the zeebrugge disaster

[arista]

the bottom line is would you trust slaves with your family's safety on board a ship? I wouldnt. I remember the zeebrugge disaster



Yes they left the back Doors open.
Terrible deaths



New Alarms now fitted if they are not closed

[Cherie]

Who is training these workers, if you clear all exiting staff out, in normal circumstances new staff would be trained by experienced staff..that ship has sailed...pardon the pun

[Oliver_W]

Fricken hell... I'm usually against over-regulation by governments, but sometimes the fatcats need reigning in...

[Zizu]

the bottom line is would you trust slaves with your family's safety on board a ship? I wouldnt. I remember the zeebrugge disaster


Exactly ... I’m done forever with P&O for so many reasons


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[Zizu]

Who is training these workers, if you clear all exiting staff out, in normal circumstances new staff would be trained by experienced staff..that ship has sailed...pardon the pun


Literally .. A P&O ferry just left Liverpool !


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[arista]

Literally .. A P&O ferry just left Liverpool !





Off To Northern Ireland with lorrys full of Goods
which they need.


Great.

[Zizu]

Crazy that P&O had initially intended on replacing the staff with Russian/Ukrainian workers ... but have now swapped to Indonesian and Indian ones ..


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[arista]

Who is training these workers, if you clear all exiting staff out, in normal circumstances new staff would be trained by experienced staff..that ship has sailed...pardon the pun



Management

[arista]

Crazy that P&O had initially intended on replacing the staff with Russian/Ukrainian workers ... but have now swapped to Indonesian and Indian ones ..




Yes they are happy to have a job
even though it is £2:60 a hour

Free Lunch.

[Zizu]

Management


Never a good idea in my experience :)


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[arista]

Never a good idea in my experience :)





Fast Training
to get the ships going with important Lorrys

[Zizu]

Fast Training
to get the ships going with important Lorrys


We are talking about people’s lives though .. maybe hundreds


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[Zizu]

We are talking about people’s lives though .. millions

P&O Ferries is one of the UK's leading ferry companies, carrying more than 10 million passengers a year and about 15% goods in and out of the UK.


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[user104658]

We are talking about people’s lives though .. maybe hundreds



We are talking about people’s lives though .. millions


https://funny-wifi.com/static/wifi-images/that-escalated-quickly3.gif

[Zizu]

https://funny-wifi.com/static/wifi-images/that-escalated-quickly3.gif


I initially underestimated :)

It is in fact MILLIONS


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[Zizu]

I initially underestimated :)

It is in fact MILLIONS


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That said .. it’s millions per year .. not per trip so maybe my first figure is more relevant


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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FONqzuNXMAok-Uw?format=jpg&name=small

[Kizzy]

Happy to take a Lower Wage
as it is a job

Right, and with rent and energy being at an all time high how and where will they live?

[arista]

Right, and with rent and energy being at an all time high how and where will they live?


Mostly on the boats

[Kizzy]

Mostly on the boats

Right.. so their wives/ husbands and kids will be on the boat too?

[Zizu]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FONqzuNXMAok-Uw?format=jpg&name=small


At least they got to rape and pillage after each trip


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[arista]

Right.. so their wives/ husbands and kids will be on the boat too?


No
they are maybe working in a Factory.





Times Are Hard.

[Kizzy]

No
they are maybe working in a Factory.





Times Are Hard.

And where do they live, on the boat?

[bots]

they wont be staying on the ship, thats ridiculous, their are cabins for paying customers, not staff, they are working. Thats what they are there for. The previous staff didn't live on the ship.

My guess is there will be some dodgy accommodation rented by p&o

[Zizu]

they wont be staying on the ship, thats ridiculous, their are cabins for paying customers, not staff, they are working. Thats what they are there for. The previous staff didn't live on the ship.

My guess is there will be some dodgy accommodation rented by p&o


Probably a dodgy old tugboat :)


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[arista]

And where do they live, on the boat?


There is staff cabins
as they do very long shifts



Those Ships are massive


The question is
will the Conservatives remove their Licence?

[user104658]

At least they got to rape and pillage after each trip


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProAt least. Whew!

[Zizu]

At least. Whew!


Poor choice of words maybe .. it was an attempt at humour


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[glib]

And where do they live, on the boat?

ridiculous assumption Kizzy

Why don’t you bring along the dogs, the car, you might even be able to fit your house on board.

[Kizzy]

ridiculous assumption Kizzy

Why don’t you bring along the dogs, the car, you might even be able to fit your house on board.

Is it?...Arista thinks there are staff cabins.I don't think on that wage you would be able to run a car in the UK so I can't see them bringing one.

[arista]

BBC Text :
[The government has given P&O Ferries
until 17:00 GMT on Tuesday
to explain its decision to sack 800 members of staff.
The paper claims ministers knew
on Wednesday what P&O bosses were
intending to do, but failed to act.
Labour is attempting to force a
vote banning "fire and rehire",
the paper reports.]


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/A6C9/production/_123779624_mirror-nc.jpg

[Kizzy]

Why is that scrawny opinionless drone Kate on every front page?!

[arista]

Why is that scrawny opinionless drone Kate on every front page?!




They want any Workers that buy that paper
not to miss out on the Royal update
and Nice Dress

[arista]

[P&O Ferries' replaced 800 UK staff
with '£1.82-an-hour foreign agency workers
who are living in Tents' - as union boss demand
Dubai owners face 'severest sanctions' over mass-sacking]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10634843/P-O-Ferries-replaced-800-UK-staff-1-82-hour-foreign-agency-workers.html

[Kizzy]

They want any Workers that buy that paper
not to miss out on the Royal update
and Nice Dress

It's the fuggliest dress I've ever seen :smug:

[Kizzy]

[P&O Ferries' replaced 800 UK staff
with '£1.82-an-hour foreign agency workers
who are living in Tents' - as union boss demand
Dubai owners face 'severest sanctions' over mass-sacking]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10634843/P-O-Ferries-replaced-800-UK-staff-1-82-hour-foreign-agency-workers.html

I really hope this is fought tooth and nail, otherwise it will snowball across all sectors.

Thinking about it i've been noticing more and more posters around my workplace as they employ agency workers, and information on various websites on how to recognise modern day slavery.. maybe this has been creeping in for a while and nobody has noticed yet?

[bots]

there is something fundamentally wrong when a company can fire its workforce and rehire at slave rates. The major issue in this case must be safety of passengers because there is no way the new crews can have been properly trained. We don't even know if they can speak english. I think they should lose their license to carry passengers at a minimum.

They must make fire and rehire illegal because it is never going to work out well

[Kizzy]

It begins. .. the fear mongering about food shortages if we don't allow P+O to carry on, as if we import cheese sarnies in containers :/

https://inews.co.uk/news/po-ferries-chaos-sparks-backlog-at-ports-with-fresh-food-set-to-go-off-before-it-reaches-supermarket-shelves-1528633?ito=social_ifb_theipaper&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2pDn0WIvbXkEkuUhExK3sS5tfZVEiYjvoZbC1dg bpKXEkgJ5xxaYlYpPk#Echobox=1647798123

[user104658]

there is something fundamentally wrong when a company can fire its workforce and rehire at slave rates.

To be fair that's nothing new, it's been happening for years with all of the "contact centre outsourcing" to India etc, also it's extremely obvious from the names of agents that a lot of "web chat" style customer service for online companies is outsourced to Eastern Europe. It's just less visible in those cases.

[arista]

"They must make fire and rehire illegal because it is never going to work out well"


Labour Party
are going to try again.


A debate is starting this afternoon
in Parliament

Labour leader said his Blood is boiling over this!

[arista]

Was just Live on SkyNewsHD

P&O Rally in Outside Westminster



There is a Live Parliament Vote tonight.

[Beso]

Why is that scrawny opinionless drone Kate on every front page?!

Body shaming at its finest.

[jet]

Why is that scrawny opinionless drone Kate on every front page?!

Because she sells papers, for all the right reasons. :clap1:
…..and because she is gorgeous, natural, genuine, fun loving and very popular indeed with the majority of the public. :flutter:

[arista]

Labour are Live in Parliament


She asked
for Conservatives to back her motion tonight.


Grant Shapps Transport Secretary
now talking
he was made aware the night before
but assumed it was proper redundancies.
As they had done 2 years ago.

When he found out the next day
he says he was shocked



A Live Link for Kizzy
https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/05f45589-8c24-405c-84c3-fd5e02843ce5

[arista]

DP World are running Free Port Tilbury Docks.

[Kizzy]

Body shaming at its finest.

OK scrap the scrawny... she's still an opinionless drone.

[glib]

It’s £1.80 actually not £2.60

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60821266

[Vanessa]

It’s £1.80 actually not £2.60

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60821266

D::skull:

[Jordan.]

Why is that scrawny opinionless drone Kate on every front page?!

amongst all the misery let's have a brief moment of relief that the royals are doing just fine.

[jet]

OK scrap the scrawny... she's still an opinionless drone.

A little education for you....:hee:

Kate has given countless speeches and opinions on many issues, like mental health, childcare, addiction, the empowerment of women, early year intervention, disability, foster care, bereavement, depression, bullying etc etc.

Not the stuff you want to hear, apparently.

She is the future Queen; like Queen Elizabeth she doesn’t do controversial, desperate attention seeking opinions like some PR craving celeb as befits her status, and like Queen Elizabeth, she is highly respected and loved for maintaining that necessary apolitical stance.

I do get why she wouldn’t be your cup of tea however.