Rishi Sunak Chancellor Statements 2022

[arista]

Original Title : Rishi Sunak Chancellor Statement Weds 23/3/22

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Martin Lewis (money saving expert)
co-presenting GMBHD itv
said if he was the Chancellor
he would resign
as it is a poison chalice.

[user104658]

It's gone up by 20p+ and still rising but sure, cutting the tax by 5p will fix it :joker:

[arista]

It's gone up by 20p+ and still rising but sure, cutting the tax by 5p will fix it :joker:


Yes little help

[bots]

all their energy schemes are grim

The rebate on council tax only applies to bands a to d. Do they really think people in band e and above wont be affected by price rises. There will be a lot of elderly in larger houses that are really going to struggle

[user104658]

all their energy schemes are grim

The rebate on council tax only applies to bands a to d. Do they really think people in band e and above wont be affected by price rises. There will be a lot of elderly in larger houses that are really going to struggle

Also - again - it barely covers a fraction of the projected increases for most people. And it's a one-off. It's not like the prices are going back down any time soon so it's just kicking the ball into the long grass... rebates and bonuses elsewhere are pointless... they need to get the level of the bills themselves locked down.

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what does that nob know about hardship?

[arista]

BBC Text:
[Asks Rishi Sunak to "spike the hike" as it says he
faces calls to cancel a rise in National Insurance.
It says "with up to £50bn to play with" the
chancellor is urged to axe
the "worst-timed tax rise in history".]

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[arista]

BBC Text:
["We need your help, Rishi" is the
Daily Mirror's headline, as a mother
with two jobs asks him not to punish
hard-up families in his Spring Statement.
Racheal Vango begs Mr Sunak
to help with fuel bills and not to
put up National Insurance.]


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[Beso]

Perched for the looting to begin. I've saved up 2 shopping trollies. Both perched and ready to go..

There has been 18 drive offs from my local garage in 6 days...


I'm more a food man myself, hence the perchness.

[arista]

It being reported that
folks going to Food Banks
are no long wanting Potatoes
as they do not have funding to Heat them up.

Reported on LBC Live.

I think Food banks should cook the Potatoes
for these people,

[arista]

Perched for the looting to begin. I've saved up 2 shopping trollies. Both perched and ready to go..

There has been 18 drive offs from my local garage in 6 days...


I'm more a food man myself, hence the perchness.



Yes, it is not looking good.

[The Slim Reaper]

It being reported that
folks going to Food Banks
are no long wanting Potatoes
as they do not have funding to Heat them up.

Reported on LBC Live.

I think Food banks should cook the Potatoes
for these people,

You've created a solution to a problem that shouldn't be happening.

[arista]

You've created a solution to a problem that shouldn't be happening.

Yes The Conservatives
need to deal with this.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes The Conservatives
need to deal with this.

Arsonists need to put out the fires.

[Kizzy]

It being reported that
folks going to Food Banks
are no long wanting Potatoes
as they do not have funding to Heat them up.

Reported on LBC Live.

I think Food banks should cook the Potatoes
for these people,

Cook them on what?

[arista]

Cook them on what?


In the Corner, Boil them

Using Hot plates

[Alf]

How are you enjoying the great reset so far?

[arista]

How are you enjoying the great reset so far?
There is a New Problem
cutting out Russian Oil and Gas

Have caused all prices of everything
to rise faster.


So the Brexit Reset
is now in the background


As Evil Putin changes the World Economy

[michael21]

There is a New Problem
cutting out Russian Oil and Gas

Have caused all prices of everything
to rise faster.


So the Brexit Reset
is now in the background


As Evil Putin changes the World Economy

I don't need to watch it I will view your thread later for in formation

[Kizzy]

In the Corner, Boil them

Using Hot plates

No Arista that is a silly suggestion.

Where do they get hot plates? It's a food bank not a soup kitchen.

[The Slim Reaper]

There is a New Problem
cutting out Russian Oil and Gas

Have caused all prices of everything
to rise faster.


So the Brexit Reset
is now in the background


As Evil Putin changes the World Economy

France have limited energy rises to 4%. The UK will be paying 54% to companies that made billions last year.

[arista]

France have limited energy rises to 4%. The UK will be paying 54% to companies that made billions last year.



Yes at the Time
Macron has an Election, next month
so he is funding their debt.

[arista]

No Arista that is a silly suggestion.

Where do they get hot plates? It's a food bank not a soup kitchen.


It is worth a try.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes at the Time
Macron has an Election, next month
so he is funding their debt.

Our government is putting up tax. Do you see that governments can actually help, and you don't need to defend the fact they are happy to let the poor starve and freeze to death?

[user104658]

Our government is putting up tax. Do you see that governments can actually help, and you don't need to defend the fact they are happy to let the poor starve and freeze to death?

At this point it's not even just "the poor", between the NI rise, utilities going up 50% (and that's just the start) and the soaring fuel prices, households are going to be down easily £300/month. I don't know many people who wouldn't feel that. No it's not as dire as starving or having to go without heating - but there'll be some clear impacts. People have a tendency to "expand into their money" i.e. have a bigger car loan/bigger mortgage/higher rent the more they earn and other financial committments... it's certainly not just those on low income who will struggle to find an extra £300 that isn't already tied up.

[arista]

He is meant to start now

But PMQ's is still going

[michael21]

He is meant to start now

But PMQ's is still going

That fine keep me updated

[arista]

Our government is putting up tax. Do you see that governments can actually help, and you don't need to defend the fact they are happy to let the poor starve and freeze to death?


Look That Income Tax change
was set before Putin started a War in Ukraine



He is now Live

[The Slim Reaper]

Look That Income Tax change
was set before Putin started a War in Ukraine



He is now Live

Putin isn't really having the effect on our cost of living you've been lead to believe. If Russia didn't invade, we'd be having the exact same conversation about the CoL crisis.

[arista]

Putin isn't really having the effect on our cost of living you've been lead to believe. If Russia didn't invade, we'd be having the exact same conversation about the CoL crisis.


No as the USA blocking Russian Oil
changed the world markets

[arista]

All VAT removed from Solar Panels
and heat pumps.


A rude Labour MP
shouted out "is that it."

[The Slim Reaper]

No as the USA blocking Russian Oil
changed the world markets

Can you just explain how you think this is the reason for the CoL crisis, when we already knew it was going to happen before Russia invaded?

[The Slim Reaper]

All VAT removed from Solar Panels
and heat pumps.


A rude Labour MP
shouted out "is that it."

Starving and freezing folks to death is ok in your book, but questioning the tories is a bridge too far :laugh:

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[arista]

Starving and freezing folks to death is ok in your book, but questioning the tories is a bridge too far :laugh:


Of course not

[arista]

Labours Rachel Reeves
is now speaking

[arista]

[Rishi Sunak's spring statement at a glance:
Fuel duty cut by 5p per litre for a year from 6pm tonight

VAT on household green energy equipment
like solar panels and heat pumps is scrapped

Household Support Fund,
a grant for councils to give to
most vulnerable households, doubled to £1billion

National Insurance threshold - the salary at which
it starts to be paid - increased by £3,000 to £12,570

Sunak says it is £6billion tax cut for 30 million people
Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) has
lowered growth forecast to 3.8 per cent this year,
falling to 1.8 per cent in 2023 and then 2.1 per cent,
1.8 per cent and 1.7 per cent in 2024-6

Inflation expected to hit 7.4 per cent
this year. Sunak: 'People should know we will stand
by them as we have in the past two years'
Debt interest payments hit £83billion
this year due to inflation]

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[The Slim Reaper]

In the past 2 years, the wealth of billionaires has risen by £3 trillion.

How about taxing some of that wealth to help the majority of the country.

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[Kizzy]

My confused. .. it seems a win to have the NIC threshold raised.. however isn't that for NHS benefits and pension contributions? If you don't pay enough won't you be ineligible?

[Cherie]

My confused. .. it seems a win to have the NIC threshold raised.. however isn't that for NHS benefits and pension contributions? If you don't pay enough won't you be ineligible?

I imagine people will get a credit for the first 12,500 then payment kicks in after that

[user104658]

Again what's the point in cutting fuel tax by 5p/litre if the prices will have gone up another 10p/litre in a couple of weeks anyway. Daft.

NI changes aren't terrible but don't come close to actually covering the increases.

The main thing that needs addressed is energy costs. They're avoiding this like the plague. I reckon the majority can JUST ABOUT handle the 50% increase, a lot of it can be mitigated for most households by having "better practice" with energy but from October onwards it's an abolute ****show, they'll have doubled at least, and at some point in the future they may spiral completely out of control.

[Cherie]

I dont know where this 54% increase is coming from, we got our new DD today and it is closer to 100% rise

[bots]

it's all smoke and mirrors in my opinion.

The amount of assistance they are giving people is a piss in the ocean compared to the cost of living increases. If we thought it was bad now, just wait till we get to the last quarter of the year.

[Kizzy]

Is anyone tempted by the green incentive? I would get solar but not planning on staying in this house past 2027.

[Oliver_W]

Is anyone tempted by the green incentive? I would get solar but not planning on staying in this house past 2027.

Oo you moving abroad?

Solar panels might help inflate your selling price, so may as well snap some up while the going's good!

[Kizzy]

I imagine people will get a credit for the first 12,500 then payment kicks in after that

Right, and the NHS funding, they will absorb that too?

It seems odd we are being relieved of that and yet increases in council tax are stated as for adult social care. Why is that our responsibility?

[Kizzy]

Oo you moving abroad?

Solar panels might help inflate your selling price, so may as well snap some up while the going's good!

Well they might I guess but I'd rather put them on my next place.

[user104658]

Is anyone tempted by the green incentive? I would get solar but not planning on staying in this house past 2027.

The way things are going, if I was in my "forever home" I'd be doing everything possible to become as energy-self-sufficient as possible. The elephant in the room with personal renewable energy is that at some point, the raw materials for batteries are ALSO going to become prohibitively expensive :facepalm:. If you have the ability to take your home off-grid for energy and plan to stay there, it's an extremely sensible investment.

If buying outright rather than on a scheme it's probably worth it anyway, as they're likely to increase the selling price of the property, and then that extra can be used to fit new ones on the new property.

[user104658]

I dont know where this 54% increase is coming from, we got our new DD today and it is closer to 100% rise

You need to scrap your fixed-rate direct debit and go on variable rate. Some people are being set daft new DD's of £700+ a month.

[edit to add] Realistically though yes after October, expect to pay double what you've been paying, unless you cut usage.

[Cherie]

You need to scrap your fixed-rate direct debit and go on variable rate. Some people are being set daft new DD's of £700+ a month.

[edit to add] Realistically though yes after October, expect to pay double what you've been paying, unless you cut usage.

oh its not that bad :laugh: I will be having a chat with them though to explain why the rise is higher than 54%

[user104658]

If it much more than doubles then realistically there'll have to be political intervention because it's not just a case of "people will struggle to pay it" - people simply won't be able to pay it, won't pay it, will go into massive energy debt that the companies will be unable to reclaim any time soon, and they'll bust.

Put it this way... let's say a young family ends up with a £3000 energy debt, their living situation becomes unmanageable and they end up moving in with parents. All that can happen to that £3k debt is that it gets bought by a debt collector for a fraction of what it's worth, and then the struggling family sets up a token payment of £20 a month or whatever. The energy company barely sees a sniff of that £3000 debt. Ever. They have no other legal avenue to go down, there are rules about debt collection and affordability.

Multiply that by a million families :shrug:.

[user104658]

oh its not that bad :laugh: I will be having a chat with them though to explain why the rise is higher than 54%

They set the DD wo be spread out over 12 months and this 54% rise is only until October. After October there will be another larger rise. The increase is to cover that. :worry:

For us realistically we can cover it doubling or even tripling (which would be insane, given my bill is already £155 a month) as we're both set for promotions in April but I swear to god... it's ****ing demoralising to get promotions and pay rises just for half of them to be wiped out by energy bills and car costs. Working harder and more responsibility just to tread water.

[Alf]

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[Cherie]

They set the DD wo be spread out over 12 months and this 54% rise is only until October. After October there will be another larger rise. The increase is to cover that. :worry:

For us realistically we can cover it doubling or even tripling (which would be insane, given my bill is already £155 a month) as we're both set for promotions in April but I swear to god... it's ****ing demoralising to get promotions and pay rises just for half of them to be wiped out by energy bills and car costs. Working harder and more responsibility just to tread water.

what is confusing me it says the DD is for what prices are now....so the likelihood is it will rise again in Oct that is what I need to confirm with them, if it stays at what they have set it at its insane but doable..


ours was 149, its gone to 289....

[bots]

oh its not that bad :laugh: I will be having a chat with them though to explain why the rise is higher than 54%

my gas is fixed, so no problem there, i am on standard tariff for elec because a fixed tariff price was just insane. I think my rate rise is about 50% or so, certainly not significantly more than that

[Cherie]

according to Martin Lewis if you ditch DD and go variable you pay a higher rate

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/martin-lewis-warning-to-anyone-who-pays-energy-bills-by-direct-debit/ar-AAVneTV?ocid=msedgntp

[bots]

according to Martin Lewis if you ditch DD and go variable you pay a higher rate

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/martin-lewis-warning-to-anyone-who-pays-energy-bills-by-direct-debit/ar-AAVneTV?ocid=msedgntp

was your quote for a fixed tariff? That will be more expensive than going standard tariff at the moment

[The Slim Reaper]

I can see people taking to the stree... Oh yeah, you'll be arrested if you try. Funny that...

[Cherie]

was your quote for a fixed tariff? That will be more expensive than going standard tariff at the moment

nope standard tariff, the fix they are offering is 4K a year :facepalm:

I have bounced off an email, I am not even that much in debit just over 100.00 which you would expect at this time of year

cheeky twats

[bots]

nope standard tariff, the fix they are offering is 4K a year :facepalm:


thats in line with the insane quote they offered me :laugh:

[Cherie]

thats in line with the insane quote they offered me :laugh:

and they claim its their most popular fix :joker:

[user104658]

what is confusing me it says the DD is for what prices are now....so the likelihood is it will rise again in Oct that is what I need to confirm with them, if it stays at what they have set it at its insane but doable..


ours was 149, its gone to 289....

They won't give a clear answer I don't think, it depends on what happens over the next 6 months.

[user104658]

If it helps at all Cherie, a friend of my wife got a DD quote that had tripled (lol) but after talking with the company it only actually went up 25%.

Honestly IMO now that we're heading into summer... it's probably better just to get billed for actual usage and prep for spending more in winter.

I'm currently jelly of my sister, who still has an open fire and lives in the middle of nowhere. And she knows local loggers so she can get the wood practically free! (they'll drop off a literal shedload that will last an entire winter for < £100)

Meanwhile we're all paying through the nose for gas :hmph:.

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Sunak of delivering 'increasingly incredible claims',
telling MPs: 'Perhaps the Chancellor has been
taking inspiration from the characters
of Alice in Wonderland - or should I say Alice
in Sunak-land, because nothing here is
quite as it seems either.]


Pathetic to use Alice in Wonderland
in my view.



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[Crimson Dynamo]

Tesco meal deal ha risen 50p to £3.50

[AnnieK]

Tesco meal deal ha risen 50p to £3.50

Its still £3 if you use your clubcard

[arista]

Its still £3 if you use your clubcard


Yes they have the Tesco Clubcard
reducing many things.


Like Pizza Hut Pizza
reduced in Asda and Sainsbuys

But in Tesco only reduced for their Clubcard customers
So I avoid Tesco alot now

[arista]

Rishi now Live on LBC
taking calls


Listen Free


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[Denver]

Yes they have the Tesco Clubcard
reducing many things.


Like Pizza Hut Pizza
reduced in Asda and Sainsbuys

But in Tesco only reduced for their Clubcard customers
So I avoid Tesco alot now

You do realise a clubcard is free?

[user104658]

You do realise a clubcard is free?Clubcard+ is actually pretty awesome if you do "big shops". It's like £7.99 and amongst other things you get 10% off two shops per month, so if you do two big say £120 shopping trips in a month, you save £24 for £7.99 :hee:. Cost of living crisis AVERTED.

In all seriousness though you can get some pretty good Clubcard offers at times too.

I honestly spend an obscene amount at Tesco these days, it's become my go-to for non food products and branded stuff. I think we spend maybe £700/month in Tesco :umm2:

Still M&S for fresh food etc. obviously, can't beat that quality.

[Beso]

Arsonists need to put out the fires.

But how will the potatoes get cooked?

[arista]

You do realise a clubcard is free?


Yes, but I do not need one
so many other shops do the same deals.

Without forcing a Card to be used to get the discount.

[arista]

Asda and Sainsburys say they WILL cut petrol prices by 6p


Good on them.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10643719/UK-petrol-prices-Drivers-fury-Chancellor-Rishi-Sunaks-fuel-duty-cut-5p.html

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[Beso]

Goodbye london.

I just handed in my notice.hello scotland.

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[arista]

Rishi Sunak
is Live on SkyNewsHD


bbc1 AM has Labours Rachel Reeves.

[arista]

Goodbye London.

I just handed in my notice.hello scotland.



I hope you can help the Many that need your
Technical, on site, TV help in Scotland

[arista]

Rachel Reeves
the Shadow Chancellor
was asked on GMBHD itv
"Why Did Starmer do a U turn on
Privatisation of the Energy Companies"?

Rachel said "it would cost too much money
to do that now"

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What a load of drivel... how is it the fault of workers that their place of employment was closed?

Government gave that money to businesses as contingency for continuity.
But no let's have a whinge at some poor employee who has taken a pay cut to stay at home and attempt to school their kids. :/

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Kizzy]

How's this conservative led post brexit Britain looking?...
Where's farage? ...where's Tommy robinson? Where's Katie hopkins. ..

[arista]

How's this conservative led post brexit Britain looking?...
Where's Farage? ...where's Tommy robinson? Where's Katie hopkins. ..

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[Kizzy]

Who is that helping?... nobody that I can see except the energy providers.

All its doing is giving a little funding back to local councils that was removed by central govt a few years ago.
And the extra we had to pay which they cleverly suggested was for adult social care is removed again.
Energy is privatised and so is social care... why are we subsidising them.

[bots]

its an unfair system. It's saying people in bigger houses can afford the rise more than anyone else, which is blatantly untrue

[user104658]

its an unfair system. It's saying people in bigger houses can afford the rise more than anyone else, which is blatantly untrueTo be fair... It isn't untrue for the most part, IN GENERAL people in higher council tax bands are going to have higher household income and can probably afford the CURRENT increases. There will obviously be exceptions so yes I think there should be an appeals/discretionary process for those whose CT band doesn't match their income reality.

However.

IMO they should rethink Council Tax altogether.


Also it still doesn't help the lowest income families because they will be on 100% Council tax benefit already. So a council tax cut saves them... Zero...

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That paper always says the weather going to be bad can nit trust it :fist:

[Kizzy]

To be fair... It isn't untrue for the most part, IN GENERAL people in higher council tax bands are going to have higher household income and can probably afford the CURRENT increases. There will obviously be exceptions so yes I think there should be an appeals/discretionary process for those whose CT band doesn't match their income reality.

However.

IMO they should rethink Council Tax altogether.


Also it still doesn't help the lowest income families because they will be on 100% Council tax benefit already. So a council tax cut saves them... Zero...

I think there are many more people in higher council tax band on lower or fixed incomes due to the huge jump in housing cost over the last 20yrs.
In my area houses that were 70k in 99 are 250k today.

Also in cute villages the cost of homes has rocketed due to city dwellers buying up 2nd homes.

I didn't think there was such a thing as 100% council tax exemptions. .. don't they pay £125?

[user104658]

I think there are many more people in higher council tax band on lower or fixed incomes due to the huge jump in housing cost over the last 20yrs.

In my area houses that were 70k in 99 are 250k today.



Also in cute villages the cost of homes has rocketed due to city dwellers buying up 2nd homes.



I didn't think there was such a thing as 100% council tax exemptions. .. don't they pay £125?

Council tax band isn't based on current house prices, it's (bizarrely) based on the value the property would have had if sold in 1991. That includes houses built after 1991... They assess new builds and make an estimate of what they would have been sold at 30 years ago. It's like they bodged the system together out of cardboard and tape... But for better or worse... That's genuinely how it works.

As for 100% exemptions I think that depends on what services are included... I know that when I was on the bennies in England we paid zero council tax (but had a separate water bill) whereas when we moved to Scotland we paid a small fixed amount of council tax because water services in Scotland are built into council tax, and you didn't get that part paid through housing benefit.

I don't really know the system these days as benefits were still all separate things back then, and it's all Universal Credit now.

I think there will definitely be people on low incomes who don't benefit from the council tax rebates (or any of the NI/income tax changes) but will still be hit with doubling energy bills.

[bots]

Council tax band isn't based on current house prices, it's (bizarrely) based on the value the property would have had if sold in 1991. That includes houses built after 1991... They assess new builds and make an estimate of what they would have been sold at 30 years ago. It's like they bodged the system together out of cardboard and tape... But for better or worse... That's genuinely how it works.

As for 100% exemptions I think that depends on what services are included... I know that when I was on the bennies in England we paid zero council tax (but had a separate water bill) whereas when we moved to Scotland we paid a small fixed amount of council tax because water services in Scotland are built into council tax, and you didn't get that part paid through housing benefit.

I don't really know the system these days as benefits were still all separate things back then, and it's all Universal Credit now.

I think there will definitely be people on low incomes who don't benefit from the council tax rebates (or any of the NI/income tax changes) but will still be hit with doubling energy bills.

I think i see where the problem is TS. Thats not how it is in england. I'm in a band e house, that is nice, but nothing outstanding. All property was regraded in england in the semi recent past, 1991 prices have long gone here as a marker

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Yes because of the war :fist:

[user104658]

I think i see where the problem is TS. Thats not how it is in england. I'm in a band e house, that is nice, but nothing outstanding. All property was regraded in england in the semi recent past, 1991 prices have long gone here as a marker

I 100% guarantee the way Council Tax bandings work is still based on 1991 valuations. The rebanding was to check that the houses still match the valuation in terms of improvements to the house or area i.e. things that would have increased the value of the property whenever they happened. Extensions, conversions, etc.

The bandings are still relative to the average. Overall house price increases across the board do not increase council tax board. There can be some more dramatic changes in cities (gentrification; areas that used to be considered "rough" now being more desireable because of city proximity) or transport links (a new motorway link can turn an isolated village into a city-worker suburb over night) but it's not because of house price inflation.

If there have been no other changes, a band A house that was worth £35k 20+ years ago and is now worth over £100k will still be Band A.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/understand-how-council-tax-bands-are-assessed?msclkid=56138d58af4011ec8e4d4f1bc1e380c6

One thing I have noticed though which is somewhat interesting, is that bands B and C seem to be exremely rare? Lots of Band A properties (flats, ex-council houses), and then it for the mostpart seems to jump straight to Band D/E :shrug:.

[arista]

[The Chancellor's pledge that councils in England
would make a £150 payment
towards domestic energy bills "in April" has been
broken in some areas.
While some have paid, Radio 4's Money Box
has found many have not and the guidance
has changed to "from April".

The deadline for payment, which applies to
homes in council tax bands A-D, is September.

The government said councils were expected
to begin making payments as soon as
possible from April.
The deadline for payment,
which applies to homes in
council tax bands A-D, is September.]




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[In Scotland councils have been told they
can give the £150 as a direct discount
off their council tax - and many have done that.
There is no council tax in Northern Ireland but the
executive there has been given money
to make the payments but that is held up
by the political uncertainty.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61270840


This is terrible for some people
that thought from April they will get £150

[arista]

BBC Text:
[State pensions and benefits are set to
rise in line with double-digit inflation,
the Telegraph reports,
despite the government telling rail workers
to accept cuts.
The paper says the Treasury confirmed on Tuesday
that the pension triple-lock would be
reinstated after it was paused
during the pandemic - taking the annual pay-out to
beyond £10,000.]
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[arista]

MPs will break for summer on July 22 and won't
return to Westminster until September 6.


Will Rishi give us a mini budget,
before Friday July 22nd?

[Zizu]

MPs will break for summer on July 22 and won't
return to Westminster until September 6.


Will Rishi give us a mini budget,
before Friday July 22nd?


It’s odd how the country just keeps on going year after year without them

They literally make no difference

:)


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